How can one be a fan of both
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Interesting, that I get questioned a lot about being a fan of both the Browns and Steelers. Well that is not all of it, it is the Indians and Pirates as well. This great article below about the Pirates happened after I was a solid fan of all four franchises. So please no more you cannot be. Enjoy the slaughter of the Giant by Maz and the Buccos. The similarity between Cleveland and Pittsburgh the sports teams and workers and everything is strong.
<H3 class=byline>By JOHN MOODY </H3>Pittsburgh, Pa.
'You know what it was about that World Series that got everyone so excited?" asks Gino Cimoli, an outfielder on the 1960 Pirates known for his dramatic hits and his salty tongue. "We weren't supposed to win. The Yankees had all these superstars and we were just a bunch of ordinary guys."
With 17 consecutive losing seasons—and on track for another this summer—the Pittsburgh Pirates have had little to celebrate on the baseball field of late. But at tonight's game against the Cleveland Indians, the National League club will reach back to honor Mr. Cimoli and 13 other surviving members of that storied championship squad.
For readers unfamiliar with the history, the 1960 Pirates shocked the baseball world—and the mighty New York Yankees, including Mantle, Maris, Berra and Ford—by winning the World Series. The high point was a game seven, bottom-of-the-ninth home run by Pirates second baseman Bill Mazeroski off Ralph Terry. It was the only time baseball's crown has been awarded due to a walk-off round tripper.
Associated PRess Second baseman Bill Mazeroski rounds third base after hitting his World Series-winning home run against the Yankees on Oct. 13, 1960.
So deeply is that event embedded in Pittsburghers' collective consciousness that each October 13, often in stinging sleet, a recording of the radio broadcast of that game is played outside in real time in front of the last remnant of the Forbes Field wall still standing in the city's Oakland district. Hundreds of fans who attended that game (and hundreds more who only claim they did) converge with folding chairs, thermoses of unidentified liquids and increasingly misty memories of a team that once was.Every year on that afternoon, long after the current Pirates have been swept from contention and the city's ardor drifts to its beloved Steelers, the Pirates twice take and cede the lead in game seven. At precisely 3:36 p.m., Maz deposits Terry's 1-0 slider over the left field wall into Schenley Park, where it was never found, and NBC announcer Chuck Thompson errantly shouts that the Pirates have won the game 10-0 (it was 10-9).
To confine that 1960 miracle to the realm of sports is akin to referring to the 2000 presidential election as an accounting anomaly. The victory put much-reviled Pittsburgh on the map and changed it forever. After 1960, the "Smoky City"—which O. Henry described as the "low-downdest hole" he had ever seen and its inhabitants as "the most ignorant, ill-bred, contemptible, boorish, degraded, insulting, sordid, vile, foul-mouth, indecent, profane, drunken, dirty, mean and depraved"—could bear any jibe with a tolerant smile: The Bucs had gone all the way.
The psychological lift came at just the right time. The city had started cleaning up its notoriously soot-filled skies, but the improvement came at the cost of thousands of local jobs in the steel industry, which moved to lower-cost, nonunion cities in the U.S. and abroad. Pittsburgh could never again legitimately call itself Steel City.
"We celebrate the '60 Series so much more than any other because the victory was so dramatic and because it was right here in Pittsburgh, unlike the Pirates' two subsequent championships in 1971 and 1979," says Brian O'Neill, a columnist for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the town's unofficial tone poet.
Mr. Cimoli, the outfielder, remembers the drama: "We came from behind and won 30 games that year in the ninth inning. [Manager Danny] Murtaugh had a bum stomach and he couldn't stand to watch the ninth in the dugout. He'd go back to the damn locker room and drink Maalox. And we'd score a couple runs and win the bastard for him. That helped his stomach more than medicine."
The current Pirates manager, John Russell, can't swallow enough antacid to quell his churning insides. In his first two years at the helm, the Bucs have lost 95 and 99 games and are now mired at the bottom of their division. The 2010 Pirates are not going anywhere but home for the post-season.
Still, team President Frank Coonelly sees better times ahead. "While we are struggling badly on the field at the Major League level right now, I am confident that our talent level is improved and that we will play better during the remainder of the year. I'll be disappointed if we are not contenders in the near future," he told a recent meeting of hard-core Pirate devotees.
For long-suffering fans, that can't happen soon enough. PNC Park is often half-occupied for games, and some fans boo the club's modern-day mascot, an outsized Pirates' parrot, simply because it reminds them of their current misery. Drew Balog, a retired teacher who snuck into game seven in 1960, sees green shoots of hope. "Some of the kids they've brought up show a lot of promise," he says. "There's frustration, sure, but there's a buzz on nowadays. Guys my age who remember 1960 are bringing their grandchildren to games again." Spoken like a true Pittsburgher.
Mr. Moody, an executive at News Corporation, the parent company of the Wall Street Journal, is the author of "Kiss It Good-bye: The Mystery, the Mormon and the Moral of the 1960 Pittsburgh Pirates," just out from Shadow Mountain Press.
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Are you bisexual as well? You like to play for both teams, after all.
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Are you bisexual as well? You like to play for both teams, after all.
Are you bisexual as well? You like to play for both teams, after all.
bend over and find out.............spread em
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
Sorry, IMO you CANNOT be a fan of the Browns AND the Steelers! That is like being a fan of Ohio State, and Michigan. It doesn't make sense!
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Are you bisexual as well? You like to play for both teams, after all.
bend over and find out.............spread em
bend over and find out.............spread em
so gay
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Dickforeagle is a disgrace. He is not a Browns fan, he is a fake Steeler Troll and should be banned to his trailer park in Northern WV.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Are you bisexual as well? You like to play for both teams, after all.
bend over and find out.............spread em
bend over and find out.............spread em
Wait a minute. I thought you were the DC and I was the AC. Get your head around this proper, girl!
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bend over and find out.............spread em
so gay
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Interesting, that I get questioned a lot about being a fan of both the Browns and Steelers. Well that is not all of it, it is the Indians and Pirates as well. This great article below about the Pirates happened after I was a solid fan of all four franchises. So please no more you cannot be. Enjoy the slaughter of the Giant by Maz and the Buccos. The similarity between Cleveland and Pittsburgh the sports teams and workers and everything is strong.
<H3 class=byline>By JOHN MOODY </H3>Pittsburgh, Pa.
'You know what it was about that World Series that got everyone so excited?" asks Gino Cimoli, an outfielder on the 1960 Pirates known for his dramatic hits and his salty tongue. "We weren't supposed to win. The Yankees had all these superstars and we were just a bunch of ordinary guys."
With 17 consecutive losing seasons—and on track for another this summer—the Pittsburgh Pirates have had little to celebrate on the baseball field of late. But at tonight's game against the Cleveland Indians, the National League club will reach back to honor Mr. Cimoli and 13 other surviving members of that storied championship squad.
For readers unfamiliar with the history, the 1960 Pirates shocked the baseball world—and the mighty New York Yankees, including Mantle, Maris, Berra and Ford—by winning the World Series. The high point was a game seven, bottom-of-the-ninth home run by Pirates second baseman Bill Mazeroski off Ralph Terry. It was the only time baseball's crown has been awarded due to a walk-off round tripper.
Associated PRess Second baseman Bill Mazeroski rounds third base after hitting his World Series-winning home run against the Yankees on Oct. 13, 1960.So deeply is that event embedded in Pittsburghers' collective consciousness that each October 13, often in stinging sleet, a recording of the radio broadcast of that game is played outside in real time in front of the last remnant of the Forbes Field wall still standing in the city's Oakland district. Hundreds of fans who attended that game (and hundreds more who only claim they did) converge with folding chairs, thermoses of unidentified liquids and increasingly misty memories of a team that once was.Every year on that afternoon, long after the current Pirates have been swept from contention and the city's ardor drifts to its beloved Steelers, the Pirates twice take and cede the lead in game seven. At precisely 3:36 p.m., Maz deposits Terry's 1-0 slider over the left field wall into Schenley Park, where it was never found, and NBC announcer Chuck Thompson errantly shouts that the Pirates have won the game 10-0 (it was 10-9).
To confine that 1960 miracle to the realm of sports is akin to referring to the 2000 presidential election as an accounting anomaly. The victory put much-reviled Pittsburgh on the map and changed it forever. After 1960, the "Smoky City"—which O. Henry described as the "low-downdest hole" he had ever seen and its inhabitants as "the most ignorant, ill-bred, contemptible, boorish, degraded, insulting, sordid, vile, foul-mouth, indecent, profane, drunken, dirty, mean and depraved"—could bear any jibe with a tolerant smile: The Bucs had gone all the way.
The psychological lift came at just the right time. The city had started cleaning up its notoriously soot-filled skies, but the improvement came at the cost of thousands of local jobs in the steel industry, which moved to lower-cost, nonunion cities in the U.S. and abroad. Pittsburgh could never again legitimately call itself Steel City.
"We celebrate the '60 Series so much more than any other because the victory was so dramatic and because it was right here in Pittsburgh, unlike the Pirates' two subsequent championships in 1971 and 1979," says Brian O'Neill, a columnist for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the town's unofficial tone poet.
Mr. Cimoli, the outfielder, remembers the drama: "We came from behind and won 30 games that year in the ninth inning. [Manager Danny] Murtaugh had a bum stomach and he couldn't stand to watch the ninth in the dugout. He'd go back to the damn locker room and drink Maalox. And we'd score a couple runs and win the bastard for him. That helped his stomach more than medicine."
The current Pirates manager, John Russell, can't swallow enough antacid to quell his churning insides. In his first two years at the helm, the Bucs have lost 95 and 99 games and are now mired at the bottom of their division. The 2010 Pirates are not going anywhere but home for the post-season.
Still, team President Frank Coonelly sees better times ahead. "While we are struggling badly on the field at the Major League level right now, I am confident that our talent level is improved and that we will play better during the remainder of the year. I'll be disappointed if we are not contenders in the near future," he told a recent meeting of hard-core Pirate devotees.
For long-suffering fans, that can't happen soon enough. PNC Park is often half-occupied for games, and some fans boo the club's modern-day mascot, an outsized Pirates' parrot, simply because it reminds them of their current misery. Drew Balog, a retired teacher who snuck into game seven in 1960, sees green shoots of hope. "Some of the kids they've brought up show a lot of promise," he says. "There's frustration, sure, but there's a buzz on nowadays. Guys my age who remember 1960 are bringing their grandchildren to games again." Spoken like a true Pittsburgher.
Mr. Moody, an executive at News Corporation, the parent company of the Wall Street Journal, is the author of "Kiss It Good-bye: The Mystery, the Mormon and the Moral of the 1960 Pittsburgh Pirates," just out from Shadow Mountain Press.
Interesting, that I get questioned a lot about being a fan of both the Browns and Steelers. Well that is not all of it, it is the Indians and Pirates as well. This great article below about the Pirates happened after I was a solid fan of all four franchises. So please no more you cannot be. Enjoy the slaughter of the Giant by Maz and the Buccos. The similarity between Cleveland and Pittsburgh the sports teams and workers and everything is strong.
<H3 class=byline>By <a href="http://"/SEARCH/TERM.HTML?KEYWORDS=JOHN+MOODY&BYLINESEARCH=TRUE"" target="_blank">JOHN MOODY </a></H3>Pittsburgh, Pa.
'You know what it was about that World Series that got everyone so excited?" asks Gino Cimoli, an outfielder on the 1960 Pirates known for his dramatic hits and his salty tongue. "We weren't supposed to win. The Yankees had all these superstars and we were just a bunch of ordinary guys."
With 17 consecutive losing seasons—and on track for another this summer—the Pittsburgh Pirates have had little to celebrate on the baseball field of late. But at tonight's game against the Cleveland Indians, the National League club will reach back to honor Mr. Cimoli and 13 other surviving members of that storied championship squad.
For readers unfamiliar with the history, the 1960 Pirates shocked the baseball world—and the mighty New York Yankees, including Mantle, Maris, Berra and Ford—by winning the World Series. The high point was a game seven, bottom-of-the-ninth home run by Pirates second baseman Bill Mazeroski off Ralph Terry. It was the only time baseball's crown has been awarded due to a walk-off round tripper.
Associated PRess Second baseman Bill Mazeroski rounds third base after hitting his World Series-winning home run against the Yankees on Oct. 13, 1960..[/i]posting this article was a waste of time and it doesn't prove anything at all. nobody's buying the lame excuses you're selling. there's nothing that you can say that will change anyones mind. you're a phony and a hypocrite. now quit trying to justify your stupidity, you steeler jock boy/cheerleader.
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Dickforeagle is a disgrace. He is not a Browns fan, he is a fake Steeler Troll and should be banned to his trailer park in Northern WV.
Dickforeagle is a disgrace. He is not a Browns fan, he is a fake Steeler Troll and should be banned to his trailer park in Northern WV.
i bet he was wearing his limited edition, lil pervert ben serial sexual predator jersey while he typed out his lame post..
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In an attempt to prove your loyalty to the Browns, you posted a story about the Pittsburgh Pirates?
Genius.
Now shut up.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Your just jealous, bitch!
me thinks NOT
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Sorry, IMO you CANNOT be a fan of the Browns AND the Steelers! That is like being a fan of Ohio State, and Michigan. It doesn't make sense!
Sorry, IMO you CANNOT be a fan of the Browns AND the Steelers! That is like being a fan of Ohio State, and Michigan. It doesn't make sense!
well that proves you are mental midget
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
In an attempt to prove your loyalty to the Browns, you posted a story about the Pittsburgh Pirates?
Genius.
Now shut up.
In an attempt to prove your loyalty to the Browns, you posted a story about the Pittsburgh Pirates?
Genius.
Now shut up.
that proves you are also a mental midget.......please read the article on the 1964 Browns written by me...........and then kiss my ass
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Interesting, that I get questioned a lot about being a fan of both the Browns and Steelers. Well that is not all of it, it is the Indians and Pirates as well. This great article below about the Pirates happened after I was a solid fan of all four franchises. So please no more you cannot be. Enjoy the slaughter of the Giant by Maz and the Buccos. The similarity between Cleveland and Pittsburgh the sports teams and workers and everything is strong.
<H3 class=byline>By <a href="http://"/SEARCH/TERM.HTML?KEYWORDS=JOHN+MOODY&BYLINESEARCH=TRUE"" target="_blank">JOHN MOODY </a></H3>Pittsburgh, Pa.
'You know what it was about that World Series that got everyone so excited?" asks Gino Cimoli, an outfielder on the 1960 Pirates known for his dramatic hits and his salty tongue. "We weren't supposed to win. The Yankees had all these superstars and we were just a bunch of ordinary guys."
With 17 consecutive losing seasons—and on track for another this summer—the Pittsburgh Pirates have had little to celebrate on the baseball field of late. But at tonight's game against the Cleveland Indians, the National League club will reach back to honor Mr. Cimoli and 13 other surviving members of that storied championship squad.
For readers unfamiliar with the history, the 1960 Pirates shocked the baseball world—and the mighty New York Yankees, including Mantle, Maris, Berra and Ford—by winning the World Series. The high point was a game seven, bottom-of-the-ninth home run by Pirates second baseman Bill Mazeroski off Ralph Terry. It was the only time baseball's crown has been awarded due to a walk-off round tripper.
Associated PRess Second baseman Bill Mazeroski rounds third base after hitting his World Series-winning home run against the Yankees on Oct. 13, 1960..[/i]posting this article was a waste of time and it doesn't prove anything at all. nobody's buying the lame excuses you're selling. there's nothing that you can say that will change anyones mind. you're a phony and a hypocrite. now quit trying to justify your stupidity, you steeler jock boy/cheerleader.
posting this article was a waste of time and it doesn't prove anything at all. nobody's buying the lame excuses you're selling. there's nothing that you can say that will change anyones mind. you're a phony and a hypocrite. now quit trying to justify your stupidity, you steeler jock boy/cheerleader.
are you really this dumb
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Dickforeagle is a disgrace. He is not a Browns fan, he is a fake Steeler Troll and should be banned to his trailer park in Northern WV.
Dickforeagle is a disgrace. He is not a Browns fan, he is a fake Steeler Troll and should be banned to his trailer park in Northern WV.
damn you work for the CIA, how did you know my trailer park is in northern WVA
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posting this article was a waste of time and it doesn't prove anything at all. nobody's buying the lame excuses you're selling. there's nothing that you can say that will change anyones mind. you're a phony and a hypocrite. now quit trying to justify your stupidity, you steeler jock boy/cheerleader.
are you really this dumb
are you really this dumb
no, but you are. you're the one with the identity complex and you have ocd to. you're always trying to prove you're a real browns fan when you're not. EPIC FAIL. now kick rocks and go to steelers fever so the preacher can make a fool out of you while you kiss his ass and try to be his friend, you f*cking loser.
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I am not a fan of the Steelers by any means, but I root for them in Championships most of the time.
Just the way I am. If my team can't win, I root for the teams closest to me.
I am a Gator fan.....but if I can't win the National Championship, I root for the SEC team that can.
I have never understood OSU fans wanting Mich to lose all their games......that only hurts you folks....you want Mich to be undefeated when you face off in Nov.....and if they beat you, then root for them as that only elevates the Big 10......it really isn't a hard concept to grasp.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Since the teams are in different leagues. I root for the Indians and Pirates... I grew up sitting in right field at Forbes field watching Roberto Clemente amaze me on a daily basis... I'm also a huge Indians fan and watch every game on STO with my 94 year old mother-in-law.. My entire life I've been wishing for a Cleveland-Pittsburgh world series.....
On the other hand, it's impossible in my opinion to be a fan of both the Browns and Steelers... Rooting for a team once yours has been eliminated is one thing but lets face it, there's no love loss between fans of the Browns and Steelers.... These two teams are bitter enemies, play in the same division and frankly don't care for each other (both players and fans)...
Yankees--Red Sox; Ohio State----Michigan; Browns----Steelers.. You're either a fan of one or the other and to say otherwise is just plane stupid (or you're trolling to get a rise or start an argument)......
Peace
T.Dawg
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i soooo agree with ballpeen. what if the buckeyes don't make it to the nat'l championship game? you'll root against another big ten team that did? hell no. if the browns can't do it but someone else from our division does, you'll root for a team in another division or conference? c'mon. i root for our division. teams that go far in our division only prove our own metal.
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