How can one be a fan of both
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Ballpeen you were right when you said it is completely different in college then in pro. What do you gain by a team being good in your division in pro football? Absolutely nothing. For that reason it doesn't make sense to root for teams for in your division just because they play in your division. In college the money from the bowl games gets divided between the schools in the conference so it makes sense to root for them during the season to get a better bowl, and during bowl games as it makes your conference look better. I root for Michigan every week because I want the S.O.S. and i want to ruin their season like they have ruined ours so many time. However I am also happy if when they lose (see App State).
Ok before I start in on this next little rant let me say the SEC is by far the best conference in college football, but it goes in cycles and they will be down and Big 12 Big 10 Pac 10 will be at the top again. Then they will fall off and another conference will be up there. Sorry I know that you understand how a cycle works.
I hate the fact that SEC fans chant SEC SEC blah blah. It just a way for schools to take credit for a championship that their team was not involved in. It doesn't matter that your team is in that conference. You can root for that team because they are in your conference but rooting for the conference as a whole is just a way of taking credit for another team's work. That's like my beloved Buckeyes play in the NCAA so I just chant NCAA NCAA and one of "my" teams wins the championship every year (just trying to make a point).
I know you will probably dispute everything I have said but that's the fun of these message boards
Not going to dispute.
As I said earlier, it is simply for my psychological well being.
If my team loses a bunch of in division games against teams that drive deep in to the playoffs or win the SB, it makes be feel better about the losses. IMO it makes us look a bit better than the record indicates.
I also said much of it stems from my love for college football.
And for the record, it isn't so much root for them or be a fan of them....I am a fan of the Browns. It's simply a matter of pulling for them in the playoffs.
Not going to dispute.
As I said earlier, it is simply for my psychological well being.
If my team loses a bunch of in division games against teams that drive deep in to the playoffs or win the SB, it makes be feel better about the losses. IMO it makes us look a bit better than the record indicates.
I also said much of it stems from my love for college football.
And for the record, it isn't so much root for them or be a fan of them....I am a fan of the Browns. It's simply a matter of pulling for them in the playoffs.
I guess we all cannot be a perverse as you peen on this matter. Yea, to me, to root for the Ravens or the Steelers to do well in the playoffs because if they win it makes the Browns seem to look better is perverse. Bestial in fact.
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Sure it does.
I think you take it too seriously when someone disagrees with you. Especially on subjective matters such as this...
I will say the OSU/Mich rivalry is as solid as any.
How's that??
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Why weep....some ESPN article recapping last century??
Ballpeen, thanks for your august defense of being rational and objective............sometimes when small minds wander......thinking big becomes too hard......hence the stupidity in hating arch rivals...........I learned as a youngster in the heat of the battle.....BEATING the ARCH RIVAL was number one...........
and loving him the rest of the time was number two.............some folks elevator never gets that high.............
as witnessed on this thread which is now very popular
who woulda thunk that Stan
Ballpeen, thanks for your august defense of being rational and objective............sometimes when small minds wander......thinking big becomes too hard......hence the stupidity in hating arch rivals...........I learned as a youngster in the heat of the battle.....BEATING the ARCH RIVAL was number one...........
and loving him the rest of the time was number two.............some folks elevator never gets that high.............
as witnessed on this thread which is now very popular
who woulda thunk that Stan
I mean, hey, you know if you got rich4eagle supporting your viewpoint, you got to come to the realization that that viewpoint is perverted, right? I mean, you both might need to try a trip to the couch:
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Sure it does.
I think you take it too seriously when someone disagrees with you. Especially on subjective matters such as this...
I will say the OSU/Mich rivalry is as solid as any.
How's that??
Sure it does.
I think you take it too seriously when someone disagrees with you. Especially on subjective matters such as this...
I will say the OSU/Mich rivalry is as solid as any.
How's that??
Hey, how many of these other rivalries have actually had war threatened between them?:
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I think being a fan is a personal thing like religion. It is personal , with emotions varying from each and every fan . There is no meter devised to measure each ones faith in their team, nor is there the ability to determine the strength or authenticity of another mans faith or fanhood . A fan is a fan and he does it his own way . Why fight it ?
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Sure it does.
I think you take it too seriously when someone disagrees with you. Especially on subjective matters such as this...
I will say the OSU/Mich rivalry is as solid as any.
How's that??
Hey, how many of these other rivalries have actually had war threatened between them?:
Hey, how many of these other rivalries have actually had war threatened between them?:
I was aware of that....there have been a few other 'wars' over state boundaries....Virgina and Maryland had the "Oyster" war, and Missouri and Iowa had a threatened war in the mid 1830's.
Shoot....a year or so back Georgia was claiming the state line with Tennessee was marked wrong(and it probably was, but it was their their surveyor who set the mark short) and said they were going to claim the nearly 1 mile error.
This was mostly a move to gain access to the Tennessee River to ease the water crisis in Atlanta. War was never declared, but I can very honestly say there would have been more than a few Volunteers waiting with guns had Georgia came to move the boundary signs.
Georgia never did anything knowing the laws were clearly in Tennessee's favor regarding moving an existing, establish border.
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Hey, how many of these other rivalries have actually had war threatened between them?:
I was aware of that....there have been a few other 'wars' over state boundaries....Virgina and Maryland had the "Oyster" war, and Missouri and Iowa had a threatened war in the mid 1830's.
Shoot....a year or so back Georgia was claiming the state line with Tennessee was marked wrong(and it probably was, but it was their their surveyor who set the mark short) and said they were going to claim the nearly 1 mile error.
This was mostly a move to gain access to the Tennessee River to ease the water crisis in Atlanta. War was never declared, but I can very honestly say there would have been more than a few Volunteers waiting with guns had Georgia came to move the boundary signs.
Georgia never did anything knowing the laws were clearly in Tennessee's favor regarding moving an existing, establish border.
I was aware of that....there have been a few other 'wars' over state boundaries....Virgina and Maryland had the "Oyster" war, and Missouri and Iowa had a threatened war in the mid 1830's.
Shoot....a year or so back Georgia was claiming the state line with Tennessee was marked wrong(and it probably was, but it was their their surveyor who set the mark short) and said they were going to claim the nearly 1 mile error.
This was mostly a move to gain access to the Tennessee River to ease the water crisis in Atlanta. War was never declared, but I can very honestly say there would have been more than a few Volunteers waiting with guns had Georgia came to move the boundary signs.
Georgia never did anything knowing the laws were clearly in Tennessee's favor regarding moving an existing, establish border.
I say, let them go at it. Here is my suggestion for a non-violent, sort of, solution. You get a huge rope and have a tug of war contest. Get 100 of the strongest guys from each state. Then have the tug of war across the Tennessee River. The state that first pulls the other states team into the river wins. If Tenn. wins they get to keep the river. If Georgia wins, they get access to the river. Fair way to handle it?
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Ballpeen, thanks for your august defense of being rational and objective............sometimes when small minds wander......thinking big becomes too hard......hence the stupidity in hating arch rivals...........I learned as a youngster in the heat of the battle.....BEATING the ARCH RIVAL was number one...........
and loving him the rest of the time was number two.............some folks elevator never gets that high.............
as witnessed on this thread which is now very popular
who woulda thunk that Stan
I mean, hey, you know if you got rich4eagle supporting your viewpoint, you got to come to the realization that that viewpoint is perverted, right? I mean, you both might need to try a trip to the couch:
I mean, hey, you know if you got rich4eagle supporting your viewpoint, you got to come to the realization that that viewpoint is perverted, right? I mean, you both might need to try a trip to the couch:
thanks for your august defense of being irrational and non objective............sometimes when small minds wander......thinking big becomes too hard......hence the stupidity in hating arch rivals...........I learned as a youngster in the heat of the battle.....BEATING the ARCH RIVAL was number one...........
and loving him the rest of the time was number two.............some folks elevator never gets that high............yours..........slider.
as witnessed on this thread which is now very popular
who woulda thunk that
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Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
I insutled you????????? now that is funny........by stating what I AM........and you said I can't be what I am. Are you really that informed to tell me I cannot be what I am. Are you a better fan that you are insulted because I made a case I am what what I am.........YOU should just APOLOGIZE....to me....it is what it is live with it
You insulted me by calling me a mental midget! I simply don't feel that you can be a fan of both teams. That's like being a fan of both Ohio State, and Michigan, or being a fan of your high school, and your rival high school. Personally I don't give a s*** who you root for! I was just responding to this thread with my opinion that I don't feel that one can be a fan of both, so I don't understand why that would be insulting to you?
You insulted me by calling me a mental midget! I simply don't feel that you can be a fan of both teams. That's like being a fan of both Ohio State, and Michigan, or being a fan of your high school, and your rival high school. Personally I don't give a s*** who you root for! I was just responding to this thread with my opinion that I don't feel that one can be a fan of both, so I don't understand why that would be insulting to you?
One more time can you think..................?????????????? You are telling me I am cannot be what I am??????????????????? If that is not mental midgetery or total stupidity............
.............well you be what you be a mental midget..........me I am a fan of both teams..........CANT????????? Dufus!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You insulted me by calling me a mental midget! I simply don't feel that you can be a fan of both teams. That's like being a fan of both Ohio State, and Michigan, or being a fan of your high school, and your rival high school. Personally I don't give a s*** who you root for! I was just responding to this thread with my opinion that I don't feel that one can be a fan of both, so I don't understand why that would be insulting to you?
One more time can you think..................?????????????? You are telling me I am cannot be what I am??????????????????? If that is not mental midgetery or total stupidity............
.............well you be what you be a mental midget..........me I am a fan of both teams..........CANT????????? Dufus!!!!!!!!!!!!
One more time can you think..................?????????????? You are telling me I am cannot be what I am??????????????????? If that is not mental midgetery or total stupidity............
.............well you be what you be a mental midget..........me I am a fan of both teams..........CANT????????? Dufus!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I'm telling YOU that in my opinion it doesn't make sense! How can you claim to be a Browns fan, AND a Steelers fan???? That is all I asked! Like I said, to each his own. I didn't insult you or call you names like others have here. I simply asked, because I find it odd. Maybe I sholuld have approached it a different way, because I can see this obviously strikes a nerve with you. You probably take a lot of s*** from others on this board as well as other Browns fans. I'm not here to make enemies, and I'm pretty open minded, and easy to get along with. All you had to do was say "hey I'm a fan of both, because...."
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@junkyard-dawg said:
Stick around, you'll learn. See D.J., you don't suck his t'aint(I woulda said balls but it's clear "he" has none) or defend him? THIS is the shit you get in return. Always and forever. There is absolutely ZERO chance any other approach would have 'netted a different result. None. So, just get used to it man. "Steeler fan huge" has you on his crayon scribbled shitlist now.
that last line is hillarious!
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@junkyard-dawg said:
Stick around, you'll learn. See D.J., you don't suck his t'aint(I woulda said balls but it's clear "he" has none) or defend him? THIS is the shit you get in return. Always and forever. There is absolutely ZERO chance any other approach would have 'netted a different result. None. So, just get used to it man. "Steeler fan huge" has you on his crayon scribbled shitlist now.That was quite funny!
But really, I just wanted to know how one could be a fan of both the Browns and the Steelers. I could never bring myself to root for a rival team as well as my team. It really wasn't meant to cut him down, or insult him. I know you guys are pretty hard on him here. -
I mean, hey, you know if you got rich4eagle supporting your viewpoint, you got to come to the realization that that viewpoint is perverted, right? I mean, you both might need to try a trip to the couch:
thanks for your august defense of being irrational and non objective............sometimes when small minds wander......thinking big becomes too hard......hence the stupidity in hating arch rivals...........I learned as a youngster in the heat of the battle.....BEATING the ARCH RIVAL was number one...........
and loving him the rest of the time was number two.............some folks elevator never gets that high............yours..........slider.
as witnessed on this thread which is now very popular
who woulda thunk that
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thanks for your august defense of being irrational and non objective............sometimes when small minds wander......thinking big becomes too hard......hence the stupidity in hating arch rivals...........I learned as a youngster in the heat of the battle.....BEATING the ARCH RIVAL was number one...........
and loving him the rest of the time was number two.............some folks elevator never gets that high............yours..........slider.
as witnessed on this thread which is now very popular
who woulda thunk that
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I just figured that your Jekyll and Hyde/Schizophrenic personality of yours that manifests itself through both rooting for both Browns and Steelers could use a little humorous couch time. I mean, you're crazy, but, that doesn't mean you're insane.
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Formerly Stone said:
You lost all credibility with that statement! The cities, the sports teams, and the people could not be more diametrically opposed (that means drastically different for you Browns fans)They are opposed because they are in fact exactly the same. Just like a couple of teenage girls who tell each other what bitches the other one is....though in fact they are both cut from the same cloth. I guess you gotta have a teenage daughter to relate. Just like these two:
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thanks for your august defense of being irrational and non objective............sometimes when small minds wander......thinking big becomes too hard......hence the stupidity in hating arch rivals...........I learned as a youngster in the heat of the battle.....BEATING the ARCH RIVAL was number one...........
and loving him the rest of the time was number two.............some folks elevator never gets that high............yours..........slider.
as witnessed on this thread which is now very popular
who woulda thunk that
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I just figured that your Jekyll and Hyde/Schizophrenic personality of yours that manifests itself through both rooting for both Browns and Steelers could use a little humorous couch time. I mean, you're crazy, but, that doesn't mean you're insane.
I just figured that your Jekyll and Hyde/Schizophrenic personality of yours that manifests itself through both rooting for both Browns and Steelers could use a little humorous couch time. I mean, you're crazy, but, that doesn't mean you're insane.
I like your feeding the threads and find your elementary thinking..........quite amusing........keep working the bored..............and if you do want to keep belittling me........
bring it punk and get your ass kicked
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
Formerly Stone said:
Nice try gip but..............NO! There is nothing alike about them. One is a beautiful city the other is a shithole, one is a city filled with good solid down to earth people the other is a city filled with bitter little people, one has perennially winning high class sports organizations, the other has perennial losing sports teams and embarrassing organizations.You could say that fresh caviar and rotted, moldy, caviar are both alike because they are both caviar but I think most would readily see the difference.
Now that had to be dumbest most ignorant post I have ever viewed
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Formerly Stone said:
Nice try gip but..............NO! There is nothing alike about them. One is a beautiful city the other is a shithole, one is a city filled with good solid down to earth people the other is a city filled with bitter little people, one has perennially winning high class sports organizations, the other has perennial losing sports teams and embarrassing organizations.You could say that fresh caviar and rotted, moldy, caviar are both alike because they are both caviar but I think most would readily see the difference.
I love those fine upstanding citizens of the 'Burg, they sure respect those Steelers
:lol: Casey Hampton's Home Robbed. Well Stone, the Steelers are overdue for a down year- and this would be it, if you're going to be 1\2 objective. Colon out for the year, Whines Hard is the only WR you have worth a damn, and besides him, there's plenty of guys on your D that have a lot of miles on them. Leftwitch and Batch are one hit away from IR. Now as to rank organizations, care to comment about the Pirates? Last time I bothered to look they were sucking worse than the Indians, and that's damn hard to do. -
Formerly Stone said:
Nice try gip but..............NO! There is nothing alike about them. One is a beautiful city the other is a shithole, one is a city filled with good solid down to earth people the other is a city filled with bitter little people, one has perennially winning high class sports organizations, the other has perennial losing sports teams and embarrassing organizations.You could say that fresh caviar and rotted, moldy, caviar are both alike because they are both caviar but I think most would readily see the difference.
Sorry! I'll take the north coast and the people of NE Ohio over that oversized trailer park full of imbreds nestled in the hills of good ole' Pennsyltucky any day! If Sh**ttsburgh is so great, why in the hell do all of you yinzers keep moving to Cleveland?
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Oh and furthermore, is classy defined by one of your fans running down a Browns fan in their car after that playoff game? Or, is your definition of classy defined by the way your fans act in other NFL stadiums? Why is it that when the Steelers come to your town there are the most fights and BS? Hmmm, keep staying classy their Pittspuke!!!
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Formerly Stone said:
Brings a tear of pride to my eye! Too bad they only got one!When the Steelers come to "your" town there are more fights because you bitter little people start them.....otherwise, Steeler fans are considered to be the best, and most respected, traveling fans in the NFL. It makes me happy to know that this fact irritates the living crap out of you!
No a**hole fights start because people like you can't shut your f***in' pieholes! It's one thing to root for your team, but then you morons have to start with the childish insults, and all of that other crap! Shut your mouth, watch the game, and chances are you'd be left alone. Better yet, how about not coming here in the first place?! Oh, and don't act like your fans are all innocent. Based on your comment back to me about "too bad they only got one" yeah, real f***in' classy! Quit trying to play the your fans are holier than thou crap! I've heard some of the BS that you guys pull with opposing fans down there in that 2nd rate city! And if their sooo respected, why have other NFL cities started campaigns to keep you dumb hicks out of their stadiums??? Hmmm, maybe because you're a bunch of arrogant pricks! Philly fans, are no better. Must be a Pennsyltucky thing! Maybe yinz need to lay off of that s****y beer that you guys drink down there!
Finally, there are other things in life other than sports. Yes I'm a Browns fan, and yes as a fanbase we're very passionate. We've been through a lot as fans. However; the suicide rate in Pittsburgh would be off the charts if your team has a 4-12 season! Because that is all you have in Pittsburgh, is the Steelers! You people are absolutely obsessed with it! As evidence of coming on a rival teams board, and feeling the need to defend them. I have news, this isn't a Steelers love fest over here! It doesn't matter how many rings you have, your record, whether you have the most fans, or whatever... we still don't like them! Never have! Never will! So you're defending your team here is pretty much falling on deaf ears! Are you people all really that dumb down there?
Must be all the years of inbreeding.
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