How can one be a fan of both
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Formerly Stone said:
I like your post and it represents pretty sound logic. Here is the one piece that you are missing though.The typical Browns fan, as demonstrated on this site, is bitter and can't accept the truth. They convince themselves that since their hated rival wins they must cheat......since their hated rival, who beats them like red headed step child, is far superior in every aspect of the NFL they must pay the refs. The typical Browns fan actually believes that Pittsburgh is a shit hole just like Cleveland.
That mentality comes out of far too many Browns fans loud and ugly all the time.....especially at Browns Steelers games! Any fan, of any team, can only take so much of that behavior......add a few beers and the party gets ugly.
Browns fans say Steeler fans are arrogant........many are..........they've earned that right!
Too many Browns fans are loud, ignorant of fact, arrogant, and boorish......all over a team/organization who is bottom of the barrel............If they would just shut up until they their team actually does something, it would all be different.
Methinks thou doth protest too much. Psychologists call this transference where you impute your own character flaws onto those you perceive as your enemy. It reeks of total insecurity. Bad things are happening to the Steelers...you lash out at the Browns and their fans. Fairly typical abusive personality trait. I see it often in my practice. Counseling could help. Perhaps there is a hotline. In fact, I will do you this service and provide you a link as a resource:
http://www.focusas.com/Pennsylvania-Hotlines.html
You're Welcome. No charge on my part for these services.
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Formerly Stone said:
I like your post and it represents pretty sound logic. Here is the one piece that you are missing though.The typical Browns fan, as demonstrated on this site, is bitter and can't accept the truth. They convince themselves that since their hated rival wins they must cheat......since their hated rival, who beats them like red headed step child, is far superior in every aspect of the NFL they must pay the refs. The typical Browns fan actually believes that Pittsburgh is a shit hole just like Cleveland.
That mentality comes out of far too many Browns fans loud and ugly all the time.....especially at Browns Steelers games! Any fan, of any team, can only take so much of that behavior......add a few beers and the party gets ugly.
Browns fans say Steeler fans are arrogant........many are..........they've earned that right!
Too many Browns fans are loud, ignorant of fact, arrogant, and boorish......all over a team/organization who is bottom of the barrel............If they would just shut up until they their team actually does something, it would all be different.
Well, I for one DON'T think that Cleveland, or NE Ohio as a whole is a s***hole! Again, this city certainly has it's issues, and the leaders here can't seem to get out of their own way which is a shame, because with it's resources and the hardworking people in this area it has the potential to be great. So to solve that problem we need to make a change of leadership. I wish I had all of the answers, but I don't. As for Pittsburgh... I've been there a few times, and sure there are some nice qualities about the city, but personally I'd take Cleveland any day. Driving in that town is terrible. Throw all of the hills into the mix and it makes it worse.
As for your comment about Browns fans feeling the Steelers cheat, let me just say in general, that some of the crap that goes on in the NFL and other sports makes you wonder. Afterall, it is a business, and add gambling into the equation (which I'm not against) and it's easy to manipulate. As I have said, it's a business. Art Modell proved that to me when he moved the Browns. But I digress; as we have seen, these players today don't give a crap about the average fan. To them it's all about them, and the money! I totally can see a player in this day and age taking a payoff to choke, or a ref taking a payoff to look the other way on a call. It doesn't matter if it's the Browns, Steelers, or any other team. It all comes down to MONEY! That's just my opinion, and while there is no proof, there are things that go on that make you wonder.
As to Steelers fans being arrogant. Yes, your team has been quite successful, however; that does not give someone a free pass to act like and a**hole. I'm not trying to be a dick, but ever hear of good sportsmanship? Or winning gracefully, as well as losing gracefully? Finally to add to your point about Browns fans being loud. We're fans and as passionate about our team, just as much as you are about yours. Why should we be quiet? Why shouldn't we be fans of our team despite it's short comings? We live in CLEVELAND, and the team is the Cleveland Browns, therefore; you root for your home team win or lose. Does it get old losing? Absolutely! But in the end, it is a game, and I still have to get up and go to work the next morning. That being said I do think the team has finally taken the steps in moving in the right direction. The way the NFL is set up, teams can be turned around relatively quickly as long as the right people are in place. I feel that we're heading in that direction.
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Formerly Stone said:
Great post!My only comeback is this...............Yes, by all means a good fan should remain loud despite your teams shortcomings....however that volume should be directed at cheering for your team and screaming when things go good or bad.........NOT ABUSIVE IGNORANCE TOWARD OTHER FANS AND OTHER CITIES.......BIG DIFFERENCE!
If you really read the vast majority of posts on this site you can easily see that this site is about bitterness and hatred and not about "your team"
I absolutely agree about the first part! I am a very passionate Browns fan. I do know people who are Steelers fans, and don't have issues with them, other than we don't like the same football team. Sure we smack talk a little bit, but it's all good natured, and for the most part if it gets out of hand we back off. In the end, I don't start altercations over what is in essence a game or entertainment. It's ridiculous! However; when the insults and the pot shots start flying, that is when I have a problem. And I'll give it back!
The second part.... yeah Browns fans are bitter to a degree. Think about it.... this city hasn't won a championship in over 40+ years. Some of us weren't even born yet, me being one of them. We've endured, Red Right 88, The Drive, The Fumble, The Shot, The Move... you can see where this is going.
So you're going to have a bunch of pissed off people. Furthermore, all we hear from the national publications is how bad Cleveland is. It's like we're not even part of the US sometimes. Like I said, I find Forbes extremely biased, as well as ESPN. Yes I am somewhat of a homer I'll admit. Personally, I despise our weather in the Winter, but I deal with it, because there are other things that make the area good. What is funny is most of the outsiders that bash Cleveland have never been here, or have been passing through, so they believe all the BS that they're fed about how bad the city is. On the other hand I've talked to numerous out of towners who actually felt that we had a wonderful town, and can't figure out why the national media as well as ourselves crack on it. Face it, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Detroit, and Buffalo are ALL in the same boat when it comes to decline, population loss, as well as loss of heavy industry. Our two cities I think can be fixed with the right leadership and the right changes. Not so sure about Detroit and Buffalo though. However; we are the ones singled out! I truly think it has more to do with the politicians and the business environment in this area more than anything. We were making progress in the 80s and 90s especially when The Flats were booming! The city should have never let them die and I think that set us back quite a bit. I know I'm ranting, but you see where I'm going with this. You can only take getting beaten down for so long, before you start fighting back.
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Formerly Stone said:
Great post!My only comeback is this...............Yes, by all means a good fan should remain loud despite your teams shortcomings....however that volume should be directed at cheering for your team and screaming when things go good or bad.........NOT ABUSIVE IGNORANCE TOWARD OTHER FANS AND OTHER CITIES.......BIG DIFFERENCE!
If you really read the vast majority of posts on this site you can easily see that this site is about bitterness and hatred and not about "your team"
Edited to add.......If you would choose a crime filled, financially and politically mis-manged city devoid of professional sports, which has a horrible education system, over an otherwise great city that is hard to drive in......I question that logic.
really? we're bitter? have you reread what you have posted on this thread? talk about hypocritical. if it wasn't for you and your other steeler brothren insisting on coming on this board and spewing shit i think this would be a nice little place for us browns fans to spout poetic about all things cleveland. sure there are some haters that like to post negativity about our biggest rival but that's to be expected on any forum for any team, not just ours. if it offends you that much turn in your pledge pin and step the fxxk off. FORMERLY STONE........RECENTLY RAT PISS..........CURRENTLY DOG SHIT.
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Edited to add.......If you would choose a crime filled, financially and politically mis-manged city devoid of professional sports, which has a horrible education system, over an otherwise great city that is hard to drive in......I question that logic.
I'm speaking about NE Ohio as a whole, not just Cleveland proper! The inner city sucks! As is the case for a lot of American cities whether it be Cleveland, Pittsburgh, or New York! With that, downtown isn't bad. It's had better days, like when the Flats were in full swing.
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Formerly Stone said:
First...............I understand that Cleveland hasn't won anything in nearly 50 years but that is no reason why the rest of the country should have to tolerate loud, overbearing, ignorant fans is it? Like I said loud "for your team" is one thing, obnoxious toward other teams, fans and cities is not cool and it's why Browns fans get it back in kind.Second.....I'm not sure why you keep putting Pittsburgh in a category with Detroit, Cleveland, and Buffalo? Pittsburgh is night and day different from those cities.
Pittsburgh is a rust belt city like the other 3! Pittsburgh has also suffered loss of industry as well as loss of population as well as the other 3! Is your city or metro area gaining residents? No! I realize you are a Steelers fan, but why do you feel the need to continue to put down Cleveland? If you live in Ohio, and don't like it, then perhaps you should go back to PA. If you're bitching about the treatment that you receive from Browns fans here, then are you saying that if I a Browns fan lived in Pittsburgh wouldn't be subjected to the same s*** if not worse??? I think not!
As for the rest of the country tolerating loud overbearing, and ignorant fans, they should also not have to be subjected to your fans rubbing it in everyones face about how great your team is. Yes you have a large fanbase, but there are a hell of a lot of people out there that hate your team as well. I don't care if people hate the Browns. F*** 'em, let them hate! But you guys can't handle the fact that not everyone likes your team. As evidence by your fans constant need to defend their team on other fan boards. So I guess when the Browns moved, and the Cleveland fans took the fight and protested across the country that is loud and overbearing as well? So tell me, what would the good people of WPA done had it been the Steelers? Hmmm, my guess is that the reaction would have been about the same.
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Formerly Stone said:
You could make a lot of similarities, most of which are meaningless like the ones you presented. Yes they're both cities, yes, they're both in the USA, yes they're both north of the equator, etc, etc, etc.But if you look at the things that matter, they are drastically different! Politics, city management, school systems, financial management, cleanliness, crime, sports, liveliness of the city itself, friendliness of the people.
As far as your last question, it's really a poor question.......It's not relevant because it wouldn't happen in Pittsburgh.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo not Pittsburgh! Nothing bad ever happens in Pittsburgh!
Because Pittsburgh is paradise! Please! 
People in Pittsburgh friendly? Really? Now you're really reaching. Let's just agree that you like your hometown as much as I like mine, and leave it at that. To each there own. All that I ask is quit trashing my town! There are a lot of good people here, as with anywhere else it's the few bad ones that ruin it for everyone else. -
Formerly Stone said:
You could make a lot of similarities, most of which are meaningless like the ones you presented. Yes they're both cities, yes, they're both in the USA, yes they're both north of the equator, etc, etc, etc.But if you look at the things that matter, they are drastically different! Politics, city management, school systems, financial management, cleanliness, crime, sports, liveliness of the city itself, friendliness of the people.
As far as your last question, it's really a poor question.......It's not relevant because it wouldn't happen in Pittsburgh.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo not Pittsburgh! Nothing bad ever happens in Pittsburgh!
Because Pittsburgh is paradise! Please! People in Pittsburgh friendly? Really? Now you're really reaching. Let's just agree that you like your hometown as much as I like mine, and leave it at that. To each there own. All that I ask is quit trashing my town! There are a lot of good people here, as with anywhere else it's the few bad ones that ruin it for everyone else.Nooooooooooooooooooooooo not Pittsburgh! Nothing bad ever happens in Pittsburgh!
Because Pittsburgh is paradise! Please! People in Pittsburgh friendly? Really? Now you're really reaching. Let's just agree that you like your hometown as much as I like mine, and leave it at that. To each there own. All that I ask is quit trashing my town! There are a lot of good people here, as with anywhere else it's the few bad ones that ruin it for everyone else.good post. i don't care what forbes or anyone else says, pittsburgh is no better than cleveland. i lived in pittsburgh for several years (college) and the greater pittsburgh area is no better than the greater cleveland area. this is just the nonsense rant from low life, loser trolls who have too much time on their hands.
these steeler trolls are nothing more than grown men on the net acting like children in a toy store, spouting off at the mouth with their pittsburgh is a better city blah blah blah rhetoric. same old tired posts from the same old tired trolls.
they must not have much of a life. as much as they post on this browns board, added with the amount of time they post on steelers boards equals no life. period, end of story.
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooo not Pittsburgh! Nothing bad ever happens in Pittsburgh!
Because Pittsburgh is paradise! Please! People in Pittsburgh friendly? Really? Now you're really reaching. Let's just agree that you like your hometown as much as I like mine, and leave it at that. To each there own. All that I ask is quit trashing my town! There are a lot of good people here, as with anywhere else it's the few bad ones that ruin it for everyone else.good post. i don't care what forbes or anyone else says, pittsburgh is no better than cleveland. i lived in pittsburgh for several years (college) and the greater pittsburgh area is no better than the greater cleveland area. this is just the nonsense rant from low life, loser trolls who have too much time on their hands.
these steeler trolls are nothing more than grown men on the net acting like children in a toy store, spouting off at the mouth with their pittsburgh is a better city blah blah blah rhetoric. same old tired posts from the same old tired trolls.
they must not have much of a life. as much as they post on this browns board, added with the amount of time they post on steelers boards equals no life. period, end of story.
good post. i don't care what forbes or anyone else says, pittsburgh is no better than cleveland. i lived in pittsburgh for several years (college) and the greater pittsburgh area is no better than the greater cleveland area. this is just the nonsense rant from low life, loser trolls who have too much time on their hands.
these steeler trolls are nothing more than grown men on the net acting like children in a toy store, spouting off at the mouth with their pittsburgh is a better city blah blah blah rhetoric. same old tired posts from the same old tired trolls.
they must not have much of a life. as much as they post on this browns board, added with the amount of time they post on steelers boards equals no life. period, end of story.
And I would imagine that when you lived there, and mentioned that you were from Cleveland you caught a ton of crap for it.
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good post. i don't care what forbes or anyone else says, pittsburgh is no better than cleveland. i lived in pittsburgh for several years (college) and the greater pittsburgh area is no better than the greater cleveland area. this is just the nonsense rant from low life, loser trolls who have too much time on their hands.
these steeler trolls are nothing more than grown men on the net acting like children in a toy store, spouting off at the mouth with their pittsburgh is a better city blah blah blah rhetoric. same old tired posts from the same old tired trolls.
they must not have much of a life. as much as they post on this browns board, added with the amount of time they post on steelers boards equals no life. period, end of story.
And I would imagine that when you lived there, and mentioned that you were from Cleveland you caught a ton of crap for it.
And I would imagine that when you lived there, and mentioned that you were from Cleveland you caught a ton of crap for it.
i went to college with about 3 people that i went to highschool with and there were a good number of other clevelanders at that college to. yeah, we caught crap from some of the guys in pittsburgh........but the pittsburgh women loved us
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The only time I root for Pittsburgh is when they play the Pats. I still have mad hate for Bill B.
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The only time I root for Pittsburgh is when they play the Pats. I still have mad hate for Bill B.
The only time I root for Pittsburgh is when they play the Pats. I still have mad hate for Bill B.
The only time I will root for Pittsburgh is Hmmmmmmmmmmmm let me see.... Oh yeah.... NEVER!
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And I would imagine that when you lived there, and mentioned that you were from Cleveland you caught a ton of crap for it.
i went to college with about 3 people that i went to highschool with and there were a good number of other clevelanders at that college to. yeah, we caught crap from some of the guys in pittsburgh........but the pittsburgh women loved us
.i went to college with about 3 people that i went to highschool with and there were a good number of other clevelanders at that college to. yeah, we caught crap from some of the guys in pittsburgh........but the pittsburgh women loved us
.Lucky you.
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i hope the steelers go 0-16 every season.
if they were to make it to the super bowl, i would wish them to lose by a record margin. and lose their starting quarterback to a rotator cuff injury.
steelers players arent real people.
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i hope the steelers go 0-16 every season.
if they were to make it to the super bowl, i would wish them to lose by a record margin. and lose their starting quarterback to a rotator cuff injury.
steelers players arent real people.
i hope the steelers go 0-16 every season.
if they were to make it to the super bowl, i would wish them to lose by a record margin. and lose their starting quarterback to a rotator cuff injury.
steelers players arent real people.
I'm with this guy.
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It's real easy for me. I KNOW I could never be a fan of the Steelers. And I KNOW I could never be a fan of both. I have never met any of you and I don't see how I can sit here and say that YOU can't be a fan of both teams. That's like me telling a man with no arms that he can't bowl. If he figures out a way... more power to him.
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i went to college with about 3 people that i went to highschool with and there were a good number of other clevelanders at that college to. yeah, we caught crap from some of the guys in pittsburgh........but the pittsburgh women loved us
.Lucky you.
Lucky you.
i'm not talking about the toothless inbred women
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our college was downtown and we lived on pittsburgh's northside. we had to cross the bridge (the 6th st bridge if i remember correctly) to go to school. one morning, on the way to school, we see a whole bunch of people on the bridge looking and laughing at something. so me and my boys run to see what the commotion was about. dude, there was a dead f*cking cow floating up the river! me and my boys looked at each other like, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a whoooole lot of stories to share about my time in pittsburgh. the word "yinz" used to drive me crazy. and most people from pittsburgh pronounce words with "own" as "on". i met a girl at this club and we exchanged numbers . i told her i was from cleveland and i go to aip. she said oh, isn't that don ton. i was like, uuuhh, aip is down town. then she said, yeah that's what i said, don ton. their accent or way of speaking is strange.
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our college was downtown and we lived on pittsburgh's northside. we had to cross the bridge (the 6th st bridge if i remember correctly) to go to school. one morning, on the way to school, we see a whole bunch of people on the bridge looking and laughing at something. so me and my boys run to see what the commotion was about. dude, there was a dead f*cking cow floating up the river! me and my boys looked at each other like, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a whoooole lot of stories to share about my time in pittsburgh. the word "yinz" used to drive me crazy. and most people from pittsburgh pronounce words with "own" as "on". i met a girl at this club and we exchanged numbers . i told her i was from cleveland and i go to aip. she said oh, isn't that don ton. i was like, uuuhh, aip is down town. then she said, yeah that's what i said, don ton. their accent or way of speaking is strange.
our college was downtown and we lived on pittsburgh's northside. we had to cross the bridge (the 6th st bridge if i remember correctly) to go to school. one morning, on the way to school, we see a whole bunch of people on the bridge looking and laughing at something. so me and my boys run to see what the commotion was about. dude, there was a dead f*cking cow floating up the river! me and my boys looked at each other like, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a whoooole lot of stories to share about my time in pittsburgh. the word "yinz" used to drive me crazy. and most people from pittsburgh pronounce words with "own" as "on". i met a girl at this club and we exchanged numbers . i told her i was from cleveland and i go to aip. she said oh, isn't that don ton. i was like, uuuhh, aip is down town. then she said, yeah that's what i said, don ton. their accent or way of speaking is strange.
Years of inbreeding has caused a birth defect in the formation of the jaw and neck. Making them speak with kind of an almost alien accent.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
our college was downtown and we lived on pittsburgh's northside. we had to cross the bridge (the 6th st bridge if i remember correctly) to go to school. one morning, on the way to school, we see a whole bunch of people on the bridge looking and laughing at something. so me and my boys run to see what the commotion was about. dude, there was a dead f*cking cow floating up the river! me and my boys looked at each other like, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a whoooole lot of stories to share about my time in pittsburgh. the word "yinz" used to drive me crazy. and most people from pittsburgh pronounce words with "own" as "on". i met a girl at this club and we exchanged numbers . i told her i was from cleveland and i go to aip. she said oh, isn't that don ton. i was like, uuuhh, aip is down town. then she said, yeah that's what i said, don ton. their accent or way of speaking is strange.
Years of inbreeding has caused a birth defect in the formation of the jaw and neck. Making them speak with kind of an almost alien accent.
Years of inbreeding has caused a birth defect in the formation of the jaw and neck. Making them speak with kind of an almost alien accent.
damn!
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