How can one be a fan of both
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Formerly Stone said:
Just like your recollection of the Browns greatness, your 50 years off, it was 2008. And your right, ignorance is as ignorance does. You're a hoot!Thanks for spending your money here. If you didn't like it here, why did you bother to come.
Or are you one of these local FRAKs?
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Well, here you go. This link will give you data on all the important places to go in town here:
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Formerly Stone said:
Money?So? What, like a filthy rat, did you just stowaway on board that boat?
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Rorbotron said:
I definitely haven't read the entire thread so if I missed the Warehouse District discussion early in the thread I apologize. Otherwise the Warehouse discussion appeared only after I mentioned the poor condition of the flats. I'd also wager that most of the people in this thread have only driven through Pittsburgh and have never taken the time to experience Pittsburgh. Hell I doubt you Mr. Travel has actually taken the time to experience Pittsburgh. Either way it doesn't begin to matter because too each their own.I have had several trips to Pittsburgh to go to college games and to do business downtown. Have I spent a whole week there? No. But I have spent as much time there as I have in many of the other major cities in this country. And how much time have you taken to experience Cleveland and Northeast Ohio? Did you check out the thread that I had on here detailing an itinerary of things that could be done here for out of town visitors? (and hell, I even forgot about the Westside market until ballpeen reminded me). I even had to leave off some major attractions in this area because I didn't have time to fit them in (like Cedar Point and Amish Country)
I have had several trips to Pittsburgh to go to college games and to do business downtown. Have I spent a whole week there? No. But I have spent as much time there as I have in many of the other major cities in this country. And how much time have you taken to experience Cleveland and Northeast Ohio? Did you check out the thread that I had on here detailing an itinerary of things that could be done here for out of town visitors? (and hell, I even forgot about the Westside market until ballpeen reminded me). I even had to leave off some major attractions in this area because I didn't have time to fit them in (like Cedar Point and Amish Country)
I went to college in Ohio. Kent State to be specific and spent plenty of time in Cleveland. A good friend of mine lives in Edgewater I believe in Lakewood. His backyard runs to the water. We took many a drunken cab ride home from Cleveland so yes I've spent a EXTENSIVE amount of time in the area seeing as Cleveland is the closest city to the University. Also most of what is great about Pittsburgh is in Pittsburgh on the outskirts of the major downtown area aka where all the sky scrapers are...the north shore, south side, strip district.
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Folks, this thread is awesome. Little did I know I would start one of the best internet exchanges ever read. Sans WSS. Anyway, DJDawg made a huge point which bypassed so many about the Cleveland Clinic. Not only renowned but total WORLD recognition. Hats off to the Cleveland Clinic.
If I could ever figure out how to load my image here you would all understand I rode a Motorcycle in every state in the US and most of Canada...............
riding provides great situational awareness and being in so many state capitals all states gives one a sense of up and down
By far the poorest part of America is the deep south sans Florida, by far the richest part is the Northeast and Cali coast.
I love Wash DC lived there for 35 years watching the center of power in the known universe at work...........and did work 1000 times in the Pentagon and a bunch of times at the US Capitol
that bullshit aside..........
riding and living made me appreciate a few things
First off, weather is important..........AC wrecked Cleveland and Pittsburgh two cities who had their moments out of the sun............
now sun drenched cities have AC..............hot ............go in enjoy the AC and the mild winter
Cleveland and Pittsburgh have nowhere to go in the cold rain and snow from Nov till April
Me here in Charlotte............not a prob with 200 plus days of sunshine a year
Anyway the highest mountain in Eastern US and biggest waterfall is here in NC ................and the Banking Capital sans NY.........NOT BAD
On my rides I have come to this conclusion subject to change
SD is number one..............for many reasons......
I think here is Charlotte is a great best of all worlds.............Myrtle Beach and Outer Banks and Hilton Head the best beaches in the USA.............but wait......the greatest mountains in the USA the Smokies because they have the great Blue Ridge Parkway and all those great tiny towns along the way and those 78 degree summer days.
Damn you can do both in two three hours
nuff about puffing my town
We have Steeler fans and Browns fans and all fans..............J...eee...ttt...sss
and the others
Now going back to great American cities
Chicago...........if you deal with cold and can afford to live downtown...................AWESOME
LA..............gave two houses one in the city and one at Manhattan Beach.........life is too cool
NY.........got money............Manhattan and Long Island......or in Conn...........the best
Cabo Mexico, have a place here too
Santiago Chile ..........the jumping off point for future postering
Australia...........the Gold Coast close to Sydney
Spain ......anywhere
Tampa Bay Clearwater..............cannot go wrong
Vancouver Island BC and Vancouver..........BOOM a winner
Nova Scotia what a great place
Pittsburgh and Cleveland it is all about spending ourselves broke on useless wars and killing these cities or figuring a way to bring back their industrial might WHICH AMERICA has abandoned.........not to mention the next the green scene
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Folks, this thread is awesome. Little did I know I would start one of the best internet exchanges ever read. Sans WSS. Anyway, DJDawg made a huge point which bypassed so many about the Cleveland Clinic. Not only renowned but total WORLD recognition. Hats off to the Cleveland Clinic.
If I could ever figure out how to load my image here you would all understand I rode a Motorcycle in every state in the US and most of Canada...............
riding provides great situational awareness and being in so many state capitals all states gives one a sense of up and down
By far the poorest part of America is the deep south sans Florida, by far the richest part is the Northeast and Cali coast.
I love Wash DC lived there for 35 years watching the center of power in the known universe at work...........and did work 1000 times in the Pentagon and a bunch of times at the US Capitol
that bullshit aside..........
riding and living made me appreciate a few things
First off, weather is important..........AC wrecked Cleveland and Pittsburgh two cities who had their moments out of the sun............
now sun drenched cities have AC..............hot ............go in enjoy the AC and the mild winter
Cleveland and Pittsburgh have nowhere to go in the cold rain and snow from Nov till April
Me here in Charlotte............not a prob with 200 plus days of sunshine a year
Anyway the highest mountain in Eastern US and biggest waterfall is here in NC ................and the Banking Capital sans NY.........NOT BAD
On my rides I have come to this conclusion subject to change
SD is number one..............for many reasons......
I think here is Charlotte is a great best of all worlds.............Myrtle Beach and Outer Banks and Hilton Head the best beaches in the USA.............but wait......the greatest mountains in the USA the Smokies because they have the great Blue Ridge Parkway and all those great tiny towns along the way and those 78 degree summer days.
Damn you can do both in two three hours
nuff about puffing my town
We have Steeler fans and Browns fans and all fans..............J...eee...ttt...sss
and the others
Now going back to great American cities
Chicago...........if you deal with cold and can afford to live downtown...................AWESOME
LA..............gave two houses one in the city and one at Manhattan Beach.........life is too cool
NY.........got money............Manhattan and Long Island......or in Conn...........the best
Cabo Mexico, have a place here too
Santiago Chile ..........the jumping off point for future postering
Australia...........the Gold Coast close to Sydney
Spain ......anywhere
Tampa Bay Clearwater..............cannot go wrong
Vancouver Island BC and Vancouver..........BOOM a winner
Nova Scotia what a great place
Pittsburgh and Cleveland it is all about spending ourselves broke on useless wars and killing these cities or figuring a way to bring back their industrial might WHICH AMERICA has abandoned.........not to mention the next the green scene
Folks, this thread is awesome. Little did I know I would start one of the best internet exchanges ever read. Sans WSS. Anyway, DJDawg made a huge point which bypassed so many about the Cleveland Clinic. Not only renowned but total WORLD recognition. Hats off to the Cleveland Clinic.
If I could ever figure out how to load my image here you would all understand I rode a Motorcycle in every state in the US and most of Canada...............
riding provides great situational awareness and being in so many state capitals all states gives one a sense of up and down
By far the poorest part of America is the deep south sans Florida, by far the richest part is the Northeast and Cali coast.
I love Wash DC lived there for 35 years watching the center of power in the known universe at work...........and did work 1000 times in the Pentagon and a bunch of times at the US Capitol
that bullshit aside..........
riding and living made me appreciate a few things
First off, weather is important..........AC wrecked Cleveland and Pittsburgh two cities who had their moments out of the sun............
now sun drenched cities have AC..............hot ............go in enjoy the AC and the mild winter
Cleveland and Pittsburgh have nowhere to go in the cold rain and snow from Nov till April
Me here in Charlotte............not a prob with 200 plus days of sunshine a year
Anyway the highest mountain in Eastern US and biggest waterfall is here in NC ................and the Banking Capital sans NY.........NOT BAD
On my rides I have come to this conclusion subject to change
SD is number one..............for many reasons......
I think here is Charlotte is a great best of all worlds.............Myrtle Beach and Outer Banks and Hilton Head the best beaches in the USA.............but wait......the greatest mountains in the USA the Smokies because they have the great Blue Ridge Parkway and all those great tiny towns along the way and those 78 degree summer days.
Damn you can do both in two three hours
nuff about puffing my town
We have Steeler fans and Browns fans and all fans..............J...eee...ttt...sss
and the others
Now going back to great American cities
Chicago...........if you deal with cold and can afford to live downtown...................AWESOME
LA..............gave two houses one in the city and one at Manhattan Beach.........life is too cool
NY.........got money............Manhattan and Long Island......or in Conn...........the best
Cabo Mexico, have a place here too
Santiago Chile ..........the jumping off point for future postering
Australia...........the Gold Coast close to Sydney
Spain ......anywhere
Tampa Bay Clearwater..............cannot go wrong
Vancouver Island BC and Vancouver..........BOOM a winner
Nova Scotia what a great place
Pittsburgh and Cleveland it is all about spending ourselves broke on useless wars and killing these cities or figuring a way to bring back their industrial might WHICH AMERICA has abandoned.........not to mention the next the green scene
Very good post Rich. I will say this right now about the weather. This Spring was one of the best in Cleveland in recent memory. Virtually no snow in March or April, and in fact April was the warmest on record. Summer so far has been quite hot. Which is exactly what it should be!
You're right about the useless wars, and spending ourselves broke. It absolutely makes me sick that all of our jobs are going overseas so that these big corporations can make an extra buck. What about what is in the best interest of our fellow Americans? I don't even want to get started on this rant, as I can already feel my blood pressure rising thinking about it. There are too many factors involved. It's funny, because my neighbor on his Facebook when asked about his political affiliation he put down "it doesn't matter, because it's too late." Sadly I think he may be right.
For these two rust belt cities it is crucial that they continue to reinvent themselves, or they will continue to decline. Pittsburgh is figuring it out. Cleveland needs a major overhaul in leadership. This city needs to s*** or get off the pot when it comes to the casino, revamping the flats, the Medical Mart the schools... ect, and do what it takes to capitalize on this. Again, I wish that I had all of the answers, but I don't. But in the end this goes way beyond who has better sports teams.
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Formerly Stone said:
Again.....keep your political ignorance out of your posts!Yes, why should HE invade your exclusive domain when it comes to all encompassing ignorance.
Shame on you rich.
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Formerly Stone said:
Again.....keep your political ignorance out of your posts!Yes, why should HE invade your exclusive domain when it comes to all encompassing ignorance.
Shame on you rich.
Yes, why should HE invade your exclusive domain when it comes to all encompassing ignorance.
Shame on you rich.
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I can't believe you guys are still talking about this. Two weeks plus really? You know it is the off-season when........a thread like this goes on for over two weeks. Ridiculous!
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I can't believe you guys are still talking about this. Two weeks plus really? You know it is the off-season when........a thread like this goes on for over two weeks. Ridiculous!
I can't believe you guys are still talking about this. Two weeks plus really? You know it is the off-season when........a thread like this goes on for over two weeks. Ridiculous!
Would rather it be this as opposed to a QB pissing contest .
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