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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @choco said:

    the obligatory "guns are bad and I'm scurred of dem" post by gipper....

    Hello, McFly? Is anybody home? I am talking about the application of the law. A person that is convicted of a felony is what we call "under disability". Maybe you should look up what that term means in the Ohio Revised Code, or the US Code.

    In addition, anyone who is on parole, on probation, or under a diversionary program is subject to the conditions placed on it by a court. YOU are a complete and utter fool if you don't think a condition about owning and possessing a gun will not apply to someone in the situation that Rogers is in who has proven that he is irresponsible with his weapon.

    How about leaving the thinking to the grownups.

    @the-gipper said:

    YOU are a complete and utter fool if you don't think a condition about owning and possessing a gun will not apply to someone in the situation that Rogers is in who has proven that he is irresponsible with his weapon.

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    I agree in some accounts but do to the punishment he received I dont think it would be for an extended period of time. Since there making him take a safety course I dont think there going to strip his rights to be a gun owner away, nor should they. More than likely after completion of the course he'll be able to pack heat again.

    1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • chocoC choco

    @riffer-x said:

    Well Choke, you gotta admit these guys pack heat like it's just another necklace. I mean, I realize they are in the spotlight and all, but WTF do they need to constantly pack like gangsters for? It can't be that dangerous out there, especially when most of them can afford bodyguards.

    Let's face it, whether for guns or not, these clowns are all about the bling of a piece. Just another accessory like a diamond stud. They be bad and shit.

    I ain't gotta admit jack, doofus.....how much money you make in a year? These guys make that in a play or 2. Not only that, their contracts are public knowledge. You think its about bling.....you're Retarded. Don't you have some moderating to do turncoat?

    @choco said:

    I ain't gotta admit jack, doofus.....how much money you make in a year? These guys make that in a play or 2. Not only that, their contracts are public knowledge. You think its about bling.....you're Retarded. Don't you have some moderating to do turncoat?

    Hey it's Ms. Chokesondix getting all toughie and stuff. I'll bet you could flat out whoop my ass. Matter of fact, I bet you are one bad motherfugger LMAO.

    Someone get the stick outta this tool's ass.

    Is a pig's ass pork?
  • NewEraDawgN NewEraDawg

    If they want my gun they can try to pry .

    @neweradawg said:

    If they want my gun they can try to pry .

    Two things: Don't try to bring it through airport security and don't become a felon. That may not be the comprehensive list of "Don'ts", but at least you now know to avoid those two things. If you don't avoid those two anyway, they will "pry".

  • C CLEVELandMILIDH

    @the-gipper said:

    YOU are a complete and utter fool if you don't think a condition about owning and possessing a gun will not apply to someone in the situation that Rogers is in who has proven that he is irresponsible with his weapon.

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    I agree in some accounts but do to the punishment he received I dont think it would be for an extended period of time. Since there making him take a safety course I dont think there going to strip his rights to be a gun owner away, nor should they. More than likely after completion of the course he'll be able to pack heat again.

    nmills said:

    I agree in some accounts but do to the punishment he received I dont think it would be for an extended period of time. Since there making him take a safety course I dont think there going to strip his rights to be a gun owner away, nor should they. More than likely after completion of the course he'll be able to pack heat again.

    IF he does not come out of this with a felony, and IF he completes his required conditions....which may include a certain period of years in which he cannot own or possess, then yes, he may get the ability again some time to either own/possess/carry.

    I think we need to wait and see what conditions are put on him pursuant to his sentencing.

    ballpeenB 1 Reply

  • is it even federal? he didn't leave the state with it, so that's a bonus. i'm not aware of what the statute reads regarding a firearm in carry-on luggage in OH. seems this thread has everything else but that. does it even matter where it occurs (what state etc) or does that automatically make it a federal matter, just by attempting to board with it? seems it would.

    it also seems obvious that it wouldn't be a misdemeaner, but like i said i just don't know.

    if it was in his checked luggage, on most airlines it wouldn't even be an issue right now. maybe he thought it was packed in his checked luggage and then tried to play it off. it's possible?

    at any rate, if it's not a felony or if he successfully completes his "stuff" he definitely won't lose it moving forward, not even temporarily.

    although, if it is a felony (which it probably is) it was most likely effective immediately, so he may not have the right as i type this. then again, there is the whole "innocent until proven guilty" aspect so why would he have to surrender others he owns?

    notwithstanding hidden conditions (which i don't believe there are any) if he completes everything all will be restored and as before with no further suspension or restrictions. it's pretty black and white regarding that.

  • sisky fringoS sisky fringo

    is it even federal? he didn't leave the state with it, so that's a bonus. i'm not aware of what the statute reads regarding a firearm in carry-on luggage in OH. seems this thread has everything else but that. does it even matter where it occurs (what state etc) or does that automatically make it a federal matter, just by attempting to board with it? seems it would.

    it also seems obvious that it wouldn't be a misdemeaner, but like i said i just don't know.

    if it was in his checked luggage, on most airlines it wouldn't even be an issue right now. maybe he thought it was packed in his checked luggage and then tried to play it off. it's possible?

    at any rate, if it's not a felony or if he successfully completes his "stuff" he definitely won't lose it moving forward, not even temporarily.

    although, if it is a felony (which it probably is) it was most likely effective immediately, so he may not have the right as i type this. then again, there is the whole "innocent until proven guilty" aspect so why would he have to surrender others he owns?

    notwithstanding hidden conditions (which i don't believe there are any) if he completes everything all will be restored and as before with no further suspension or restrictions. it's pretty black and white regarding that.

    @sisky-fringo said:

    is it even federal? he didn't leave the state with it, so that's a bonus. i'm not aware of what the statute reads regarding a firearm in carry-on luggage in OH. seems this thread has everything else but that. does it even matter where it occurs (what state etc) or does that automatically make it a federal matter, just by attempting to board with it? seems it would.

    it also seems obvious that it wouldn't be a misdemeaner, but like i said i just don't know.

    if it was in his checked luggage, on most airlines it wouldn't even be an issue right now. maybe he thought it was packed in his checked luggage and then tried to play it off. it's possible?

    at any rate, if it's not a felony or if he successfully completes his "stuff" he definitely won't lose it moving forward, not even temporarily.

    although, if it is a felony (which it probably is) it was most likely effective immediately, so he may not have the right as i type this. then again, there is the whole "innocent until proven guilty" aspect so why would he have to surrender others he owns?

    notwithstanding hidden conditions (which i don't believe there are any) if he completes everything all will be restored and as before with no further suspension or restrictions. it's pretty black and white regarding that.

    A. Air traffic control and security is definitely federal. It is all regulated by the FAA and the security is administered by the TSA, though, it is possible, within the discretion of the arresting authority to bring whatever charges may apply either under Federal or State laws...or even city ordinances.

    B. Thus, it is entirely possible to be a misdemeanor. There are even Federal misdemeanors. A Misd. conviction may not necessarily cause him to become under disability, but he could still be under terms or probation or diversion that could prohibit him from owning or possessing firearms.

    C. FYI, even if he were convicted of a felony, and completes his parole/probation whatever successfully, and if he is a first time criminal offender, and if he waits the requisite number of years he could apply for an expungement of his conviction which could in fact reactivate his right to own/possess. But, he sure as hell better not have any subsequent offenses.

  • My understandings is all charges will be dropped when he completes the community service and gun safety class. No felony, misdemeanor or anything on the record.

    1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
  • C CLEVELandMILIDH

    My understandings is all charges will be dropped when he completes the community service and gun safety class. No felony, misdemeanor or anything on the record.

    nmills said:

    My understandings is all charges will be dropped when he completes the community service and gun safety class. No felony, misdemeanor or anything on the record.

    But, again, a condition of that remedy may be that he not own or possess a firearm for some period. That is purely within the discretion of the judicial officer to impose.

    Perhaps we should take a poll: Does anyone really give a ratatouille if Roger's is henceforth allowed to carry a weapon?

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    nmills said:

    My understandings is all charges will be dropped when he completes the community service and gun safety class. No felony, misdemeanor or anything on the record.

    But, again, a condition of that remedy may be that he not own or possess a firearm for some period. That is purely within the discretion of the judicial officer to impose.

    Perhaps we should take a poll: Does anyone really give a ratatouille if Roger's is henceforth allowed to carry a weapon?

    @the-gipper said:

    But, again, a condition of that remedy may be that he not own or possess a firearm for some period. That is purely within the discretion of the judicial officer to impose.

    Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?

    1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
    ballpeenB The GipperT 2 Replies
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    nmills said:

    I agree in some accounts but do to the punishment he received I dont think it would be for an extended period of time. Since there making him take a safety course I dont think there going to strip his rights to be a gun owner away, nor should they. More than likely after completion of the course he'll be able to pack heat again.

    IF he does not come out of this with a felony, and IF he completes his required conditions....which may include a certain period of years in which he cannot own or possess, then yes, he may get the ability again some time to either own/possess/carry.

    I think we need to wait and see what conditions are put on him pursuant to his sentencing.

    @the-gipper said:

    IF he does not come out of this with a felony, and IF he completes his required conditions....which may include a certain period of years in which he cannot own or possess, then yes, he may get the ability again some time to either own/possess/carry.

    I think we need to wait and see what conditions are put on him pursuant to his sentencing.

    I agree.

    I do agree the idea of a gun safety class seems to indicate the plan isn't to slap him with a felony where owning a handgun is prohibited for the remainder of his life. Sounds like the deal is struck IMO, but as you said, no use speculating on what or what might not happen.

    Right??

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • C CLEVELandMILIDH

    @the-gipper said:

    But, again, a condition of that remedy may be that he not own or possess a firearm for some period. That is purely within the discretion of the judicial officer to impose.

    Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?

    nmills said:

    Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?

    Not to get technical here....but no in this case.

    How could a person be required take a gun safety course and not be in possession of a firearm?? The law prohibiting isn't owning a firearm, it's possessing a firearm. One doesn't have to own to be in possession.

    I have been through a few gun safety courses. First with my Grandfather, then Uncle Sam, them the state of Tennessee.

    In every one of them a real gun is used. If not, it's like teaching a carpenter his trade without allowing him to handle a hammer or saw.

    Kind of pointless to be honest.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    nmills said:

    Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?

    Not to get technical here....but no in this case.

    How could a person be required take a gun safety course and not be in possession of a firearm?? The law prohibiting isn't owning a firearm, it's possessing a firearm. One doesn't have to own to be in possession.

    I have been through a few gun safety courses. First with my Grandfather, then Uncle Sam, them the state of Tennessee.

    In every one of them a real gun is used. If not, it's like teaching a carpenter his trade without allowing him to handle a hammer or saw.

    Kind of pointless to be honest.

    @ballpeen said:

    Not to get technical here....but no in this case. I agree

    How could a person be required take a gun safety course and not be in possession of a firearm?? The law prohibiting isn't owning a firearm, it's possessing a firearm. One doesn't have to own to be in possession. you dont have to own to be in possession but if you own arent you possessing?

    I know my dad had a felony and when I bought my first gun I had to put it in my step mom's name because he was not allowed to own or possess

    1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico

  • can't wait until september 12

    gun control is a tight, 5 shot diamond shaped pattern

  • Formerly Stone said:

    Our first spineless liberal response..................

    that is funny LIBERAL response..................

    too funny...............brilliant

    Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes

  • Lets face it folks Rogers is a fat useless slob who cannot play three downs full throttle without being gassed.

    He is useless crap and will be out of football before he can help us win anything

    Right now the best thing we can do is trade him for a pick and hope.

    because he will lead us nowhere in his time here

    Thanks Sewage for that Swine

    Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes

  • The right to think the world was flat is operational

    The right to think the sun revolves around the earth is operational as well

    Time to make the right to own hand guns..............less than operational

    want to bear arms OWN a rifle or a Tank........

    oops owning tanks are illegal

    take it up with the supreme court

    sumtimes stupid laws keep on the books because of stupid people.........hand guns have no place in civilization

    Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes

  • I am not sure what point you are trying to make.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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  • Grinder said:

    guns are the reason you live in a free country, take them away and you will be a slave. then you will have to watch soccer instead of football.

    one good thing is if he gets a 2 game suspension he will be fresh doown the stretch.

    now that answer was just plain quizzical........guns are the reason this a free country...........BOOK it as the most interesting thing ever posted or written anywhere....

    BTW, we are not free.......try buying a tank and bringing it home as your gun.............

    Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I am not sure what point you are trying to make.

    @ballpeen said:

    I am not sure what point you are trying to make.

    I think he wants to buy a tank?.......but wouldn't it be hard navigating the shitty hills of Pittsburgh in a tank?.....maybe he can run over sidney crosby and ben rothlisburger in his tank....that would be awesome...........

    rich4eagleR 1 Reply
  • C CLEVELandMILIDH

    @the-gipper said:

    But, again, a condition of that remedy may be that he not own or possess a firearm for some period. That is purely within the discretion of the judicial officer to impose.

    Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?

    nmills said:

    Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?

    A suspension? Not sure what you mean by "suspension". The NFL absolutely can issue a suspension to a player even if charges are never brought, charged, whatever. Note the BR case. No charges were ever filed, yet the NFL suspended him.

    If you are talking about another arena, as in "can a court suspend a persons right to carry a weapon even though that person has successfully completed the terms of his diversionary program and the charges against him dismissed" I believe the answer their lies completely within the discretion of the court. "Not owning or possessing a weapon for some period" may in fact be one of those "milestones" you refer to that he may have to accomplish.

    It is difficult to say. You have to see what the complete terms of conditions of his diversionary program are.

    But, yes, it is certainly possible that his "right to carry a weapon" could be reinstated after he has successfully completed a diversionary program. He would not fall under the "convicted felon" category that would cause him to be "under disability".

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