Browns Season Preview
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Good point, I just want to see competition before winning. They kind of go hand to hand if you think about it. That's why being competitive will suffice for me for now. Obviously I don't want to see a team that plays and loses a lot of close games year in and year out. Just compete first and then winning will come.
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Good point, I just want to see competition before winning. They kind of go hand to hand if you think about it. That's why being competitive will suffice for me for now. Obviously I don't want to see a team that plays and loses a lot of close games year in and year out. Just compete first and then winning will come.
Good point, I just want to see competition before winning. They kind of go hand to hand if you think about it. That's why being competitive will suffice for me for now. Obviously I don't want to see a team that plays and loses a lot of close games year in and year out. Just compete first and then winning will come.
Excellent post, IMHO. A friend at work said a losing season is NOT acceptable by any means. I say you have to walk before you can run. I feel the Browns now have viable leadership, better talent, and, regardless of won/lost record, should be much more competitive.
Keep in mind that in 2007, we got lucky...many career seasons, weak schedule, & little to look forward to as evidenced by the fact that Brady (along with other reserves) got no playing time due to Derek's inability to put a game away. The doomsayers can say what they will, but I tend to look at the future, which I believe is bright. As always, I will make no prediction, but I DO think that we will see a better brand of football in Cleveland this year.
Mike
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Good point, I just want to see competition before winning. They kind of go hand to hand if you think about it. That's why being competitive will suffice for me for now. Obviously I don't want to see a team that plays and loses a lot of close games year in and year out. Just compete first and then winning will come.
Good point, I just want to see competition before winning. They kind of go hand to hand if you think about it. That's why being competitive will suffice for me for now. Obviously I don't want to see a team that plays and loses a lot of close games year in and year out. Just compete first and then winning will come.
Im also looking for the team to be competitive game in and game out win or lose, however i cant tolerate another season of losing games because of over-conservative and consistently gutless and stupid playcalling like we seen last year...holmgren should have a motto for both mangini and daboll that reads...play without balls and you both will lose it all....Our defense under ryan should make every game closer and more competitive as long as mangini stays out of the equation...
When you have less talent creativity and balls can be the great equalizer but unfortunately it appears that neither our HC or OC possess these tangible cunning skillsets..
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Good point, I just want to see competition before winning. They kind of go hand to hand if you think about it. That's why being competitive will suffice for me for now. Obviously I don't want to see a team that plays and loses a lot of close games year in and year out. Just compete first and then winning will come.
Im also looking for the team to be competitive game in and game out win or lose, however i cant tolerate another season of losing games because of over-conservative and consistently gutless and stupid playcalling like we seen last year...holmgren should have a motto for both mangini and daboll that reads...play without balls and you both will lose it all....Our defense under ryan should make every game closer and more competitive as long as mangini stays out of the equation...
When you have less talent creativity and balls can be the great equalizer but unfortunately it appears that neither our HC or OC possess these tangible cunning skillsets..
Im also looking for the team to be competitive game in and game out win or lose, however i cant tolerate another season of losing games because of over-conservative and consistently gutless and stupid playcalling like we seen last year...holmgren should have a motto for both mangini and daboll that reads...play without balls and you both will lose it all....Our defense under ryan should make every game closer and more competitive as long as mangini stays out of the equation...
I respect your opinion and I would love nothing more than to win the AFC North and have an explosive offense with a bone crunching defense. But let's be honest for a second. If you have a team that flops and doesn't play hard on the conservative plays just basic, run of the mill plays, what makes you think that any coach would call for deep passes or gadget plays? I want to see the team hustle every play for every second of that game on Thursday, Sunday, or Monday. The games are won and lost by the players. The coaches have their philosophies but it's the players that implement them on every down, quarter, and game. Case and point....Bill Belicheck (spelling) widely considered a genius of strategy (barring the whole taping thing). But without Tom Brady and a select handful of players, he would not be viewed in such a light. Same thing with other good coaches like Jimmy Johnson. Plays can be made on the most simplest design. A simple dive play can explode for a 76 yard dash to the end zone. (Willie Parker Super Bowl XL). The players must play the game to the fullest on every play conservative or not and that's not what I've seen from our beloved Browns.
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Good point, I just want to see competition before winning. They kind of go hand to hand if you think about it. That's why being competitive will suffice for me for now. Obviously I don't want to see a team that plays and loses a lot of close games year in and year out. Just compete first and then winning will come.
Good point, I just want to see competition before winning. They kind of go hand to hand if you think about it. That's why being competitive will suffice for me for now. Obviously I don't want to see a team that plays and loses a lot of close games year in and year out. Just compete first and then winning will come.
We were competitive for the last half of last season. It is time to start winning now. There are no "good" losses.
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I agree with those here that say it is time to win now! This is the NFL. With the way it is set up teams have been known to go from worst to first very quickly. I don't expect the Browns to win the Super Bowl this year, but I do expect the Browns to have a record over .500! I like what I saw at the end last year, and I like our front office. The players didn't quit at the end of the season last year, and I want to see that momentum carried over.
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Lord, I can't even finish that article. Terrible analysis, full of contradictions. Can't believe idiots like that get paid.
Lord, I can't even finish that article. Terrible analysis, full of contradictions. Can't believe idiots like that get paid.
That's going to be the same coat tail riding homo that won't have enough good things to say about the Browns if they emerge from the basement this year. I don't really like listening to analysts because very few can ever admit they were wrong. They just hop from band wagon to band wagon. I can even go as far as to say that I have seen very few true fans of the game that are analysts. They make me laugh. The biggest example was when they were on and off Mark Sanchez's sack all season long. First he was Joe Nameth reborn then he was going to cost the Jets their season then he just might take them to the Super Bowl. It was pure lunacy. Either jump on a band wagon and stay on it or not get on it at all and be objective.
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3-13?
I'm lovin all the haters we can disprove. Just like in 07.
3-13?
I'm lovin all the haters we can disprove. Just like in 07.
OH MY DEAR FREAKIN GOD!!!! put down the bone, stop kicking the horse!!! and quit talking about the '07 season. it's real pathetic that the single decent season you've had in the past DECADE is touted like it was more than a blind squirrel finding a nut.
what about '99?
what about '00?
what about '01?
what about '02?
what about '03?
what about '04?
what about '05?
what about '06?
what about '08?
what about '09?
and now i hear how THIS is gonna be the year you disprove all the haters!?!?!?
ROTFLMFAO!!!!
the team is a joke on everything except defense (u hope) and somehow you browns fans find ways to not only get yourself pumped for the season (wich is fine, i wouldn't want any team's fans to be disinterested before the season even starts) but somehow talk yourselves into believing that you'll be this "amazing breakout team, that silences all the haters and paves the way for a decade of browns domination".
lol.
you guys gonna be lucky to have your team even MATCH what it did last season, let alone improve upon it.
just write this down somewhere so i don't have to remind you guys of it next year, and the next year, and the next year, and the next year, etc...........ad nauseum.
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
Your only as good as your last game.......Last I checked we beat you
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3-13?
I'm lovin all the haters we can disprove. Just like in 07.
OH MY DEAR FREAKIN GOD!!!! put down the bone, stop kicking the horse!!! and quit talking about the '07 season. it's real pathetic that the single decent season you've had in the past DECADE is touted like it was more than a blind squirrel finding a nut.
what about '99?
what about '00?
what about '01?
what about '02?
what about '03?
what about '04?
what about '05?
what about '06?
what about '08?
what about '09?
and now i hear how THIS is gonna be the year you disprove all the haters!?!?!?
ROTFLMFAO!!!!
the team is a joke on everything except defense (u hope) and somehow you browns fans find ways to not only get yourself pumped for the season (wich is fine, i wouldn't want any team's fans to be disinterested before the season even starts) but somehow talk yourselves into believing that you'll be this "amazing breakout team, that silences all the haters and paves the way for a decade of browns domination".
lol.
you guys gonna be lucky to have your team even MATCH what it did last season, let alone improve upon it.
just write this down somewhere so i don't have to remind you guys of it next year, and the next year, and the next year, and the next year, etc...........ad nauseum.
Nafreleets said:
OH MY DEAR FREAKIN GOD!!!! put down the bone, stop kicking the horse!!! and quit talking about the '07 season. it's real pathetic that the single decent season you've had in the past DECADE is touted like it was more than a blind squirrel finding a nut.what about '99?
what about '00?
what about '01?
what about '02?
what about '03?
what about '04?
what about '05?
what about '06?
what about '08?
what about '09?
and now i hear how THIS is gonna be the year you disprove all the haters!?!?!?
ROTFLMFAO!!!!
the team is a joke on everything except defense (u hope) and somehow you browns fans find ways to not only get yourself pumped for the season (wich is fine, i wouldn't want any team's fans to be disinterested before the season even starts) but somehow talk yourselves into believing that you'll be this "amazing breakout team, that silences all the haters and paves the way for a decade of browns domination".
lol.
you guys gonna be lucky to have your team even MATCH what it did last season, let alone improve upon it.
just write this down somewhere so i don't have to remind you guys of it next year, and the next year, and the next year, and the next year, etc...........ad nauseum.
i guess homotron finally changed his usename. you're impossible to deal with. try to be nice you still shit all over us. try to be snide and disrespectful and you still come back and shit all over the place. i guess you're just a piece of shit. go home.
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Your only as good as your last game.......Last I checked we beat you
nmills said:
Your only as good as your last game.......Last I checked we beat youso that makes it what?
twice in the last decade?
christ, that should give you guys something to talk about for the next 20yrs!!!!
oh, and to the guy who thinks i'm homotron.............dude, look at my join date.
seriously, a browns fan AND stupid? some people's lives make me appreciate what i have.
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
nmills said:
Your only as good as your last game.......Last I checked we beat youso that makes it what?
twice in the last decade?
christ, that should give you guys something to talk about for the next 20yrs!!!!
oh, and to the guy who thinks i'm homotron.............dude, look at my join date.
seriously, a browns fan AND stupid? some people's lives make me appreciate what i have.
Nafreleets said:
so that makes it what?twice in the last decade?
christ, that should give you guys something to talk about for the next 20yrs!!!!
oh, and to the guy who thinks i'm homotron.............dude, look at my join date.
seriously, a browns fan AND stupid? some people's lives make me appreciate what i have.
You'd think he would have a Steelers forum to be on. Look man, it's no secret that you are a fan of one of the greatest franchises in history. The championships don't lie but it gives you little right to come on here and taint the love of the game with you stating the obvious nonsense. 6 championships to none doesn't really require a rocket scientist to get your point. If you were a true fan and you truly appreciate what you have. Go talk about your team with like minded people that's what forums are for. I do believe that you much to discuss about your team. We are fans of the Browns your trash talk won't change that. As futile as your words are you'll keep this behavior up for years, really thinking you're discouraging fans of the rival team. If you want to continue to live this delusion, be my guest.
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Nafreleets said:
OH MY DEAR FREAKIN GOD!!!! put down the bone, stop kicking the horse!!! and quit talking about the '07 season. it's real pathetic that the single decent season you've had in the past DECADE is touted like it was more than a blind squirrel finding a nut.what about '99?
what about '00?
what about '01?
what about '02?
what about '03?
what about '04?
what about '05?
what about '06?
what about '08?
what about '09?
and now i hear how THIS is gonna be the year you disprove all the haters!?!?!?
ROTFLMFAO!!!!
the team is a joke on everything except defense (u hope) and somehow you browns fans find ways to not only get yourself pumped for the season (wich is fine, i wouldn't want any team's fans to be disinterested before the season even starts) but somehow talk yourselves into believing that you'll be this "amazing breakout team, that silences all the haters and paves the way for a decade of browns domination".
lol.
you guys gonna be lucky to have your team even MATCH what it did last season, let alone improve upon it.
just write this down somewhere so i don't have to remind you guys of it next year, and the next year, and the next year, and the next year, etc...........ad nauseum.
i guess homotron finally changed his usename. you're impossible to deal with. try to be nice you still shit all over us. try to be snide and disrespectful and you still come back and shit all over the place. i guess you're just a piece of shit. go home.
i guess homotron finally changed his usename. you're impossible to deal with. try to be nice you still shit all over us. try to be snide and disrespectful and you still come back and shit all over the place. i guess you're just a piece of shit. go home.
Yea definitely not me. I'm going to leave my cute username as well, if anything for a solid reminder of just how childish the moderators are on this message board.
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It's better to be on the bandwagon when it's a winner, which is why the "experts" change their opinions so much.
It's better to be on the bandwagon when it's a winner, which is why the "experts" change their opinions so much.
They would sound so much smarter if they were objective. Come on even you have to admit that they all sound like baffoons come week 8. All the back pedaling starts and excuses get made. I turn it off until the game starts. I may watch the little weather and injury reports but that's about it.
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Nafreleets said:
so that makes it what?twice in the last decade?
christ, that should give you guys something to talk about for the next 20yrs!!!!
oh, and to the guy who thinks i'm homotron.............dude, look at my join date.
seriously, a browns fan AND stupid? some people's lives make me appreciate what i have.
You'd think he would have a Steelers forum to be on. Look man, it's no secret that you are a fan of one of the greatest franchises in history. The championships don't lie but it gives you little right to come on here and taint the love of the game with you stating the obvious nonsense. 6 championships to none doesn't really require a rocket scientist to get your point. If you were a true fan and you truly appreciate what you have. Go talk about your team with like minded people that's what forums are for. I do believe that you much to discuss about your team. We are fans of the Browns your trash talk won't change that. As futile as your words are you'll keep this behavior up for years, really thinking you're discouraging fans of the rival team. If you want to continue to live this delusion, be my guest.
You'd think he would have a Steelers forum to be on. Look man, it's no secret that you are a fan of one of the greatest franchises in history. The championships don't lie but it gives you little right to come on here and taint the love of the game with you stating the obvious nonsense. 6 championships to none doesn't really require a rocket scientist to get your point. If you were a true fan and you truly appreciate what you have. Go talk about your team with like minded people that's what forums are for. I do believe that you much to discuss about your team. We are fans of the Browns your trash talk won't change that. As futile as your words are you'll keep this behavior up for years, really thinking you're discouraging fans of the rival team. If you want to continue to live this delusion, be my guest.
Not every Steeler fan on this message board is here to troll and rub it in but you can be rest assured the Steeler fans that do post here are going to defend their team when a defense is necessary. I'm here for a rival perspective and have said it a thousand times. I'm received better by some than others and it's those individuals that realize I'm not here to drag the wounded through the dirt. I didn't even read that dudes post but I'll give it a look after making this one. Complacency is a hell of a thing. I would like to think the intelligent minority that posts on this board could welcome a alternate/rival perspective. You may not agree and that's fine. The problem lies with the other mass of individuals that can't tell their dick from their a$$hole. They stir up the threads where intelligent discussion COULD occur and make it impossible to discuss anything of value. Quite a few mouth breathers on this message board but for every one there are a few that are interested in improving their football intelligence via intelligent debate. You seem to subscribe to the latter. I can sling the sh.it when my hand is forced but I'd rather be the nice rival guy that simply has a different opinion a majority of the time. It won't happen and I don't care but that's my stance.
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You'd think he would have a Steelers forum to be on. Look man, it's no secret that you are a fan of one of the greatest franchises in history. The championships don't lie but it gives you little right to come on here and taint the love of the game with you stating the obvious nonsense. 6 championships to none doesn't really require a rocket scientist to get your point. If you were a true fan and you truly appreciate what you have. Go talk about your team with like minded people that's what forums are for. I do believe that you much to discuss about your team. We are fans of the Browns your trash talk won't change that. As futile as your words are you'll keep this behavior up for years, really thinking you're discouraging fans of the rival team. If you want to continue to live this delusion, be my guest.
Not every Steeler fan on this message board is here to troll and rub it in but you can be rest assured the Steeler fans that do post here are going to defend their team when a defense is necessary. I'm here for a rival perspective and have said it a thousand times. I'm received better by some than others and it's those individuals that realize I'm not here to drag the wounded through the dirt. I didn't even read that dudes post but I'll give it a look after making this one. Complacency is a hell of a thing. I would like to think the intelligent minority that posts on this board could welcome a alternate/rival perspective. You may not agree and that's fine. The problem lies with the other mass of individuals that can't tell their dick from their a$$hole. They stir up the threads where intelligent discussion COULD occur and make it impossible to discuss anything of value. Quite a few mouth breathers on this message board but for every one there are a few that are interested in improving their football intelligence via intelligent debate. You seem to subscribe to the latter. I can sling the sh.it when my hand is forced but I'd rather be the nice rival guy that simply has a different opinion a majority of the time. It won't happen and I don't care but that's my stance.
Homotron said:
Not every Steeler fan on this message board is here to troll and rub it in but you can be rest assured the Steeler fans that do post here are going to defend their team when a defense is necessary. I'm here for a rival perspective and have said it a thousand times. I'm received better by some than others and it's those individuals that realize I'm not here to drag the wounded through the dirt. I didn't even read that dudes post but I'll give it a look after making this one. Complacency is a hell of a thing. I would like to think the intelligent minority that posts on this board could welcome a alternate/rival perspective. You may not agree and that's fine. The problem lies with the other mass of individuals that can't tell their dick from their a$$hole. They stir up the threads where intelligent discussion COULD occur and make it impossible to discuss anything of value. Quite a few mouth breathers on this message board but for every one there are a few that are interested in improving their football intelligence via intelligent debate. You seem to subscribe to the latter. I can sling the sh.it when my hand is forced but I'd rather be the nice rival guy that simply has a different opinion a majority of the time. It won't happen and I don't care but that's my stance.I understand that, but there wasn't a need to state the obvious like he did. Plus I'm all for a rival's perspective if we're really talking about something. I'll tell anybody that I'm a Browns fan but above all I'm a football fan. I still pick a team to root for in the SB because I'm a fan of the game itself and I like to make my own analysis of teams strengths and weaknesses and see which one will use both to win the game. It's really fun to watch a team that clearly has fun playing the game. Most of those teams have winning records at the end of the season. It's true I hate to keep using your team as an example but I call it like I see it. While I was looking for that quote from SB XLIII for you I got see a team having fun and a team that wasn't. The team that was won the game. I look at these things and I really discussing things with people that see what I see regardless of rivalry or any of that. I do think some people are a little too close minded and miss the big picture but trash talk will not get them to see things from a different perspective and the point will be lost.
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Im also looking for the team to be competitive game in and game out win or lose, however i cant tolerate another season of losing games because of over-conservative and consistently gutless and stupid playcalling like we seen last year...holmgren should have a motto for both mangini and daboll that reads...play without balls and you both will lose it all....Our defense under ryan should make every game closer and more competitive as long as mangini stays out of the equation...
I respect your opinion and I would love nothing more than to win the AFC North and have an explosive offense with a bone crunching defense. But let's be honest for a second. If you have a team that flops and doesn't play hard on the conservative plays just basic, run of the mill plays, what makes you think that any coach would call for deep passes or gadget plays? I want to see the team hustle every play for every second of that game on Thursday, Sunday, or Monday. The games are won and lost by the players. The coaches have their philosophies but it's the players that implement them on every down, quarter, and game. Case and point....Bill Belicheck (spelling) widely considered a genius of strategy (barring the whole taping thing). But without Tom Brady and a select handful of players, he would not be viewed in such a light. Same thing with other good coaches like Jimmy Johnson. Plays can be made on the most simplest design. A simple dive play can explode for a 76 yard dash to the end zone. (Willie Parker Super Bowl XL). The players must play the game to the fullest on every play conservative or not and that's not what I've seen from our beloved Browns.
I respect your opinion and I would love nothing more than to win the AFC North and have an explosive offense with a bone crunching defense. But let's be honest for a second. If you have a team that flops and doesn't play hard on the conservative plays just basic, run of the mill plays, what makes you think that any coach would call for deep passes or gadget plays? I want to see the team hustle every play for every second of that game on Thursday, Sunday, or Monday. The games are won and lost by the players. The coaches have their philosophies but it's the players that implement them on every down, quarter, and game. Case and point....Bill Belicheck (spelling) widely considered a genius of strategy (barring the whole taping thing). But without Tom Brady and a select handful of players, he would not be viewed in such a light. Same thing with other good coaches like Jimmy Johnson. Plays can be made on the most simplest design. A simple dive play can explode for a 76 yard dash to the end zone. (Willie Parker Super Bowl XL). The players must play the game to the fullest on every play conservative or not and that's not what I've seen from our beloved Browns.
I agree. We didn't lose games because of our conservative game plans. We lost games because the players were slacking and had no discipline. When the players hustled and played with discipline, we started winning... with the same "conservative game plans".
Its also hard to get creative when my 12 year old niece would have played better QB than DA or BQ.
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