Old erroneous New?
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Homotron said:
What does last seasons record have to do with anything and he pulled out his bid a LONG time ago. Dan Rooney pulled together cash from various areas to ensure he maintained control of the franchise. It was nationally publicized for a while. Were you guys cave dwelling during that time?Hey, believe it or not, we are Browns fans here, and we really don't pay that much attention to what goes on with the F***ing Pittsburgh Steelers. There may have been some brief mention of it somewhere in the national media, but guess what? We are not paying attention 24/7 waiting to hear news about the Steelers.
I found this blurb online, and since I had not heard much about it around this forum, I assumed it may have been as the title to the thread said "old, erroneous news".
So, this is a little lesson for you to learn: not everyone gives a shit about or pays attention to Pittsburgh BS.
Nor would I expect you to know all the esoteric data concerning the Browns, though, apparently, the Browns are far more important to you than the Steelers are to me.
Hey, believe it or not, we are Browns fans here, and we really don't pay that much attention to what goes on with the F***ing Pittsburgh Steelers. There may have been some brief mention of it somewhere in the national media, but guess what? We are not paying attention 24/7 waiting to hear news about the Steelers.
I found this blurb online, and since I had not heard much about it around this forum, I assumed it may have been as the title to the thread said "old, erroneous news".
So, this is a little lesson for you to learn: not everyone gives a shit about or pays attention to Pittsburgh BS.
Nor would I expect you to know all the esoteric data concerning the Browns, though, apparently, the Browns are far more important to you than the Steelers are to me.
It was talked about on this message board in detail for days. It was also national media as I said previously and discussed enough that if you turned on ESPN you'd either see a blurb about it or they'd be talking about it. It wasn't small time news so whether you couldn't care less about the Steelers or not it was pretty damn hard to miss. I also get all my Browns news here because they aren't talked about nationally.
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Hey, believe it or not, we are Browns fans here, and we really don't pay that much attention to what goes on with the F***ing Pittsburgh Steelers. There may have been some brief mention of it somewhere in the national media, but guess what? We are not paying attention 24/7 waiting to hear news about the Steelers.
I found this blurb online, and since I had not heard much about it around this forum, I assumed it may have been as the title to the thread said "old, erroneous news".
So, this is a little lesson for you to learn: not everyone gives a shit about or pays attention to Pittsburgh BS.
Nor would I expect you to know all the esoteric data concerning the Browns, though, apparently, the Browns are far more important to you than the Steelers are to me.
It was talked about on this message board in detail for days. It was also national media as I said previously and discussed enough that if you turned on ESPN you'd either see a blurb about it or they'd be talking about it. It wasn't small time news so whether you couldn't care less about the Steelers or not it was pretty damn hard to miss. I also get all my Browns news here because they aren't talked about nationally.
Homotron said:
It was talked about on this message board in detail for days. It was also national media as I said previously and discussed enough that if you turned on ESPN you'd either see a blurb about it or they'd be talking about it. It wasn't small time news so whether you couldn't care less about the Steelers or not it was pretty damn hard to miss. I also get all my Browns news here because they aren't talked about nationally.Well, whatever. Dude ain't buying the team, is he, and he didn't need my permission to make a decision, did he.
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Homo is starved for attention. No one cares about the hillbilly shithole called Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is a city of inbred zombies, built over toxic coal mine shafts and toxic waste from the abandoned Steel mills.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Homo is starved for attention. No one cares about the hillbilly shithole called Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is a city of inbred zombies, built over toxic coal mine shafts and toxic waste from the abandoned Steel mills.
Homo is starved for attention. No one cares about the hillbilly shithole called Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is a city of inbred zombies, built over toxic coal mine shafts and toxic waste from the abandoned Steel mills.
Starved for attention? Do you see me starting threads? I don't think I've started a thread the entire time I've been here on this name or my old title. I simply respond. If you don't like it don't read it. Oh and as for your last tirade. Refer to my signature. 5, count em....5 cities. Ohio is also to blame for Pittsburgh poor air quality. Your sh.it factories smog up our city air. Ohio outside of the Columbus area could be wiped off the globe and no one would notice. Well Columbus and Cedar Point.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
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Quote is all that matters. Time for a new picture tho, this one has been in circulation for a long time. I'll wait for the land whale screaming in the Steeler t to show up next.
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Homo is starved for attention. No one cares about the hillbilly shithole called Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is a city of inbred zombies, built over toxic coal mine shafts and toxic waste from the abandoned Steel mills.
Starved for attention? Do you see me starting threads? I don't think I've started a thread the entire time I've been here on this name or my old title. I simply respond. If you don't like it don't read it. Oh and as for your last tirade. Refer to my signature. 5, count em....5 cities. Ohio is also to blame for Pittsburgh poor air quality. Your sh.it factories smog up our city air. Ohio outside of the Columbus area could be wiped off the globe and no one would notice. Well Columbus and Cedar Point.
Homotron said:
Starved for attention? Do you see me starting threads? I don't think I've started a thread the entire time I've been here on this name or my old title. I simply respond. If you don't like it don't read it. Oh and as for your last tirade. Refer to my signature. 5, count em....5 cities. Ohio is also to blame for Pittsburgh poor air quality. Your sh.it factories smog up our city air. Ohio outside of the Columbus area could be wiped off the globe and no one would notice. Well Columbus and Cedar Point.OK, talk about lame and incredulous with this "your city sucks" BS. I've been everywhere man, and there is no difference between the entire swath of countryside starting from the Appalachian range that runs from New England and upstate NY all the way to the Great Plains. Cities such as Pittsbugh, Buffalo, Cleveland, Cinci, Columbus, Indianapolis, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Louisville, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City are ALL pretty basically the same, and except for Chicago are all pretty much the same size. Dont be ignorant and think otherwise.
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Homotron said:
Starved for attention? Do you see me starting threads? I don't think I've started a thread the entire time I've been here on this name or my old title. I simply respond. If you don't like it don't read it. Oh and as for your last tirade. Refer to my signature. 5, count em....5 cities. Ohio is also to blame for Pittsburgh poor air quality. Your sh.it factories smog up our city air. Ohio outside of the Columbus area could be wiped off the globe and no one would notice. Well Columbus and Cedar Point.OK, talk about lame and incredulous with this "your city sucks" BS. I've been everywhere man, and there is no difference between the entire swath of countryside starting from the Appalachian range that runs from New England and upstate NY all the way to the Great Plains. Cities such as Pittsbugh, Buffalo, Cleveland, Cinci, Columbus, Indianapolis, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Louisville, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City are ALL pretty basically the same, and except for Chicago are all pretty much the same size. Dont be ignorant and think otherwise.
OK, talk about lame and incredulous with this "your city sucks" BS. I've been everywhere man, and there is no difference between the entire swath of countryside starting from the Appalachian range that runs from New England and upstate NY all the way to the Great Plains. Cities such as Pittsbugh, Buffalo, Cleveland, Cinci, Columbus, Indianapolis, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Louisville, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City are ALL pretty basically the same, and except for Chicago are all pretty much the same size. Dont be ignorant and think otherwise.
Once again a response to one of your Retarded brethren, otherwise I don't bring it up. Pittsburgh is also doing much better than many of the cities you listed from a economic, future technologies stand point. There is a reason the G20 was held in the area. Pittsburgh is doing a HELL of a lot better than Cleveland. Sure the cultures are similar but that's where the similarities stop. Cleveland is one the back end of a lot of things. AND once again I wouldn't have even mentioned it if one of the resident Retards didn't stroll through and pop one off. Zip it up Gip.
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OK, talk about lame and incredulous with this "your city sucks" BS. I've been everywhere man, and there is no difference between the entire swath of countryside starting from the Appalachian range that runs from New England and upstate NY all the way to the Great Plains. Cities such as Pittsbugh, Buffalo, Cleveland, Cinci, Columbus, Indianapolis, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Louisville, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City are ALL pretty basically the same, and except for Chicago are all pretty much the same size. Dont be ignorant and think otherwise.
Once again a response to one of your Retarded brethren, otherwise I don't bring it up. Pittsburgh is also doing much better than many of the cities you listed from a economic, future technologies stand point. There is a reason the G20 was held in the area. Pittsburgh is doing a HELL of a lot better than Cleveland. Sure the cultures are similar but that's where the similarities stop. Cleveland is one the back end of a lot of things. AND once again I wouldn't have even mentioned it if one of the resident Retards didn't stroll through and pop one off. Zip it up Gip.
Homotron said:
Once again a response to one of your Retarded brethren, otherwise I don't bring it up. Pittsburgh is also doing much better than many of the cities you listed from a economic, future technologies stand point. There is a reason the G20 was held in the area. Pittsburgh is doing a HELL of a lot better than Cleveland. Sure the cultures are similar but that's where the similarities stop. Cleveland is one the back end of a lot of things. AND once again I wouldn't have even mentioned it if one of the resident Retards didn't stroll through and pop one off. Zip it up Gip.Dude, anyone can point out any specific situation and say "see...we are better than you and this proves it. Pittsburgh is no better off from a technology, economic, cultural ...anything you can think of standpoint than Cleveland. You just want to prop your own ego up by thinking so. But it ain't. You could come up with one statistic showing one thing, I could come up with another statistic showing another thing in my favor. You can circle jerk yourself around and go phishing for data to support your delusion....and I guess if it makes you feel better about yourself feel free to engage in such mental masturbation. Whatever gets you off. Just know that when you come, you come alone.
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Homotron said:
Once again a response to one of your Retarded brethren, otherwise I don't bring it up. Pittsburgh is also doing much better than many of the cities you listed from a economic, future technologies stand point. There is a reason the G20 was held in the area. Pittsburgh is doing a HELL of a lot better than Cleveland. Sure the cultures are similar but that's where the similarities stop. Cleveland is one the back end of a lot of things. AND once again I wouldn't have even mentioned it if one of the resident Retards didn't stroll through and pop one off. Zip it up Gip.Dude, anyone can point out any specific situation and say "see...we are better than you and this proves it. Pittsburgh is no better off from a technology, economic, cultural ...anything you can think of standpoint than Cleveland. You just want to prop your own ego up by thinking so. But it ain't. You could come up with one statistic showing one thing, I could come up with another statistic showing another thing in my favor. You can circle jerk yourself around and go phishing for data to support your delusion....and I guess if it makes you feel better about yourself feel free to engage in such mental masturbation. Whatever gets you off. Just know that when you come, you come alone.
Dude, anyone can point out any specific situation and say "see...we are better than you and this proves it. Pittsburgh is no better off from a technology, economic, cultural ...anything you can think of standpoint than Cleveland. You just want to prop your own ego up by thinking so. But it ain't. You could come up with one statistic showing one thing, I could come up with another statistic showing another thing in my favor. You can circle jerk yourself around and go phishing for data to support your delusion....and I guess if it makes you feel better about yourself feel free to engage in such mental masturbation. Whatever gets you off. Just know that when you come, you come alone.
The housing market collapse? Didn't really happen in Pittsburgh, at least not to the degree it did over the rest of the United States. Green Technology which is where the country is going is a major portion of the Pittsburgh job market. Pittsburgh is the first in quite a bit of that technology not to mention the first green convention center in the country. Medical advancement. Yes the Cleveland Clinic is great but I'm talking about medical products and of course UPMC is one of the best in the country. I also get nothing out of talking about it on this message board BECAUSE WHEN I DO It's only in response to something someone else said. I guess you can't read and have your own clouded ego to deal with GIP. You're holier than thou attitude makes me giggle. It's the same attitude you try and push on me. I don't know anyone outside of Cleveland that says "MAN, I love Cleveland" but you do hear people from outside the Pittsburgh area talk about why they enjoy the city. Cleveland is a sh.it hole. Let me know when you're done crying about my posts.
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Dude, anyone can point out any specific situation and say "see...we are better than you and this proves it. Pittsburgh is no better off from a technology, economic, cultural ...anything you can think of standpoint than Cleveland. You just want to prop your own ego up by thinking so. But it ain't. You could come up with one statistic showing one thing, I could come up with another statistic showing another thing in my favor. You can circle jerk yourself around and go phishing for data to support your delusion....and I guess if it makes you feel better about yourself feel free to engage in such mental masturbation. Whatever gets you off. Just know that when you come, you come alone.
The housing market collapse? Didn't really happen in Pittsburgh, at least not to the degree it did over the rest of the United States. Green Technology which is where the country is going is a major portion of the Pittsburgh job market. Pittsburgh is the first in quite a bit of that technology not to mention the first green convention center in the country. Medical advancement. Yes the Cleveland Clinic is great but I'm talking about medical products and of course UPMC is one of the best in the country. I also get nothing out of talking about it on this message board BECAUSE WHEN I DO It's only in response to something someone else said. I guess you can't read and have your own clouded ego to deal with GIP. You're holier than thou attitude makes me giggle. It's the same attitude you try and push on me. I don't know anyone outside of Cleveland that says "MAN, I love Cleveland" but you do hear people from outside the Pittsburgh area talk about why they enjoy the city. Cleveland is a sh.it hole. Let me know when you're done crying about my posts.
Homotron said:
The housing market collapse? Didn't really happen in Pittsburgh, at least not to the degree it did over the rest of the United States. Green Technology which is where the country is going is a major portion of the Pittsburgh job market. Pittsburgh is the first in quite a bit of that technology not to mention the first green convention center in the country. Medical advancement. Yes the Cleveland Clinic is great but I'm talking about medical products and of course UPMC is one of the best in the country. I also get nothing out of talking about it on this message board BECAUSE WHEN I DO It's only in response to something someone else said. I guess you can't read and have your own clouded ego to deal with GIP. You're holier than thou attitude makes me giggle. It's the same attitude you try and push on me. I don't know anyone outside of Cleveland that says "MAN, I love Cleveland" but you do hear people from outside the Pittsburgh area talk about why they enjoy the city. Cleveland is a sh.it hole. Let me know when you're done crying about my posts.Let's us know when you are done masturbating to your fantasies.
And quite the opposite is true. I always hear people from outside Cleveland say "Man, I love Cleveland"...you want a reference: see our man Howie Dawg. He lives in the UK. Discuss the matter with him.
And I never hear anyone outside Pittsburgh talk about it.
Perhaps you hear them because you live there and people tell you how they like Pittsburgh.
The same way I hear them say how they like Cleveland because I live here.
Why would someone tell a person from Cleveland how much they like Pittsburgh, and why would someone tell a person from Pittsburgh how much they like Cleveland. Hello! Wake up and use a little logic. Like I said, both cities are essentially the same and no seminal intoxication on your part is going to revise that fact.
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Homotron said:
The housing market collapse? Didn't really happen in Pittsburgh, at least not to the degree it did over the rest of the United States. Green Technology which is where the country is going is a major portion of the Pittsburgh job market. Pittsburgh is the first in quite a bit of that technology not to mention the first green convention center in the country. Medical advancement. Yes the Cleveland Clinic is great but I'm talking about medical products and of course UPMC is one of the best in the country. I also get nothing out of talking about it on this message board BECAUSE WHEN I DO It's only in response to something someone else said. I guess you can't read and have your own clouded ego to deal with GIP. You're holier than thou attitude makes me giggle. It's the same attitude you try and push on me. I don't know anyone outside of Cleveland that says "MAN, I love Cleveland" but you do hear people from outside the Pittsburgh area talk about why they enjoy the city. Cleveland is a sh.it hole. Let me know when you're done crying about my posts.Let's us know when you are done masturbating to your fantasies.
And quite the opposite is true. I always hear people from outside Cleveland say "Man, I love Cleveland"...you want a reference: see our man Howie Dawg. He lives in the UK. Discuss the matter with him.
And I never hear anyone outside Pittsburgh talk about it.
Perhaps you hear them because you live there and people tell you how they like Pittsburgh.
The same way I hear them say how they like Cleveland because I live here.
Why would someone tell a person from Cleveland how much they like Pittsburgh, and why would someone tell a person from Pittsburgh how much they like Cleveland. Hello! Wake up and use a little logic. Like I said, both cities are essentially the same and no seminal intoxication on your part is going to revise that fact.
Let's us know when you are done masturbating to your fantasies.
And quite the opposite is true. I always hear people from outside Cleveland say "Man, I love Cleveland"...you want a reference: see our man Howie Dawg. He lives in the UK. Discuss the matter with him.
And I never hear anyone outside Pittsburgh talk about it.
Perhaps you hear them because you live there and people tell you how they like Pittsburgh.
The same way I hear them say how they like Cleveland because I live here.
Why would someone tell a person from Cleveland how much they like Pittsburgh, and why would someone tell a person from Pittsburgh how much they like Cleveland. Hello! Wake up and use a little logic. Like I said, both cities are essentially the same and no seminal intoxication on your part is going to revise that fact.
I too always hear people say good things about Cleveland. I remember walking around NYC wearing my Browns jacket, getting props for it. In fact the only place I ever caught any crap for wearing anything Browns or saying I was from Cleveland was....... you guessed it...... in Pittsburgh!
Bottom line here, is that while neither city might not be the best place in the country. But we love our hometowns, and nothing anyone is going to say is going to change that. A Pittsburgh fan coming on here saying they hate Cleveland is not going to change my mind, or convince me otherwise about how I feel about my hometown, and vice versus. In fact, much respect to those native Pittsburghers for giving props to their home, as I do the same for mine. And furthermore, the more someone rips my city and state, the more I love where I live! Screw the haters! I am smart enough to draw my own conclusions about a place without having a magazine like Forbes to tell me "how miserable" we all are here.
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I am going to repost here data that I put together a couple of months back. Several posts will be involved:
OK, so I have been giving some thought to this so called Forbes Magazine listing of Cleveland as the most "Miserable city" in the USA. I have to believe that they came up with a predetermined answer on this because what they say makes absolutelty no sense. They don't follow their own criteria.
Forbes Criteria for determining their most miserable city, they claim was based on the following factors:
1. Location of Superfund sites in an area...this relates to essentially ground/water pollution only. (Superfund has nothing to do with smog/air pollution)
2. Unemployment rates
3. Local tax rates
4. Commute times
5. Crime Rate
6. Weather
7 Sports team performance
Lets look at these in turn (I may make several posts of this so as not to lose continuity in its separate parts):
1 Superfund. I will give you here a map of the Superfund sites in the US:
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Look at Cleveland. Not a single red dot. Red Dots are cites that need cleaned up. Green dots are sites that have been cleaned up satisfactorily. There are a few red dots in the Akron/Youngstown area. But compare this area to much of the East Coast which is covered in red dots, or to the likes of Charlotte, St. Louis, LA, San Fran, Seattle, Houston. this area is a garden of eden compared to many of those. And while I could not find a Superfund listing by city, I did find a ranking by state, and the top 10 states are:
New Jersey
California
Pennsylvania
New York
Michigan
Florida
Washington
Illinois
Texas
Wisconsin
the there was Ohio at 11.
Oddly, the state with the least Superfund sites was Nevada with only 1 site. You want to bet they excluded nuclear waste dumping sites for their "pollution index"?
So, obviously, apparently, it is not the location of Superfund pollution sites in Cleveland that spur its #1 most miserable ranking. It must be something else.
I will continue in another post.
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OK, the next Criteria of Forbes Most Miserable City list I will tackle is that of Local Tax Rates. Now get this: The following is FORBES MAGAZINES list of Highest local tax rates for major US cities (not in order):
Chicago
Los Angeles
New York
San Francisco
Seattle
New Orleans
Houston
Dallas
Charlotte
Las Vegas
Philadelphia
Atlanta
Cleveland is not on this list at all.
ABC News put out a report of the highest tax rates in various cities, including smaller ones. Here were their top 5:
Bridgeport, Conn.
Des Moines, Iowa
Providence, RI
Newark NJ
Manchester NH
Also, of all the state, Ohio has only the 21st highest effective Sales tax rate.
Ohio also ranks only 38th highest in State income tax rates.
So, apparently it is not Cleveland Tax rate which spurs its No. 1 most miserable city ranking. It must be something else.
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Onward to the next criteria for Forbes Ranking: The Crime Rate
Per the FBI's list of cities with the most violent crimes per capita, the following top the list:
1. New York
2. Los Angeles
3. Chicago
4. Houston
5. Phoenix
6. Philadelphia
7. Las Vegas
8. San Antonio
9. Dallas
10. San Diego
11. San Jose
12. Honolulu
Where does Cleveland sit? 33rd
So, apparently it is not Cleveland's Crime rate that rate's it as America's #1 most miserable city. It must be something else
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Moving on to the next criteria on Forbes list: Commute time.
Here is the list compiled by...who?....FORBES Magazine on the cities in America with the worst traffic and commute time:
1. Los Angeles
2. San Fran/Oaklan
3. Washington D.C.
4. Atlanta
5. Houston
6. Dallas/Ft. Worth
7. Chicago
8. Detroit
9. Riverside/San Bernadino
10. Orlando
11. San Jose
12. San Diego
Cleveland is not even in the Top 30 of their list.
So, apparently it is not "Commute Time" that puts Cleveland on the top of the "Most Miserable city list. It must be something else.
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Alright, next up to bat is the following criteria established by Forbes for its list: Unemployment:
According to the March Department of Labor statistics, ALL of the following cities have higher Unemployment rates than does Cleveland, Ohio:
El Centro CA
Yuma Ariz.
Stockton CA
Palm Coast FLA
Ocean City NJ
Flint, Mich.
Bend, Oregon
Santa Cruz CA
Elkhart, Ind.
Riverside CA
Vero Beach FLA
New Bedford Mass.
Las Vegas
Atlantic City
Reno
Providence
Sacramento
Tampa
San Jose
Orlando
Jacksonville
Charlotte
Los Angeles
Miami
Portland Ore.
San Francisco
San Diego
St. Louis
Louisville
Memphis
Cincinnati
Cleveland, Tennessee!!
Milwaukee
Columubus
In fact, Cleveland only ranked 179th in the nation in unemployment rate.
So apparently it is not "Unemployment" rate that gave Cleveland its #1 rank as most miserable city. It must be something else.
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OK, so let's move along in this analysis. The next criteria on Forbes list is: Weather.
Here are several sources on weather: First, The Farmer's Almanac ( a pretty reliable source, fair to say?) Here are their top worst weather cities in America:
Quillayatte. Washington
Astoria, Oregon
Marquette, Michigan
Syracuse, NY
Elkins WVa
New Orleans
Eugene, Ore.
Hilo, Hawaii. (doing a double take? Yea, Hawaii)
The Farmer's Almanac takes in all criteria: obviously including snow, Cloudy days, and humidity. the Oregon locations suffer from the cloudy, humid issue...as does Hilo. Syracuse and Marquette obviously get the snow and cold.
Another poster noted the cities in America that are cold. I will simply reference that post to show how we here are not nearly as cold as many, many other places around. And I have always said, I would rather spend a winter around here than a summer in Florida. And you can add several other locatins to that phrase.
Citydata.com gave this list of the cities with the worst, hottest/muggiest summer weather:
Brownsville, Texas
Columbia, SC
Ft. Meyers Fla.
Houston
Jackson, Miss.
Laredo Texas
Miami
New Orleans
Oklahoma City
Palm Springs
Phoenix
Yuma
Why on earthe would Forbes not do a list of worst overall weather?
Forbes did do a "Worst Winter Weather" list. Notice they only did "winter". Here was their list:
10. Baltimore
9. Detroit
8. Columbus
7. Indianapolis
6. Minneapolis
5. Chicago
4. Minneapolis
3. New York
2. Boston
1. Cleveland
OK, so they have Cleveland on this list because we get a lot of snow in winter. (I notice that Buffalo, which gets more snow is not on here...but I am not here to pile on Buffalo)
But, note this, the following cities all get more snow in the winter on average than Cleveland: Denver, Anchorage, Portland,Maine; Salt Lake City. So, what? If you get a lot of snow but you have some nice ski resorts nearby they think that somehow the Winter weather doesn't suck just as bad there? Pretty arbitrary in my view.
I am not saying that Cleveland doesn't have bad winters that we would like to do without, but, note, for those areas affected by lake effect snow, Cleveland has about the least amount of snow. Rochester, Buffalo, Sault St. Marie, all up and down the western coast of Michigan there is tremendous snow. And I guess Forbes must exclude Alaska from the "bad weather" thought process...but note: Valdez, Alaska gets an average of 326 inches of snow a year, compared to Cleveland's 57 inches.
So far though, based on their own incestuous ranking, this is the ONLY criteria so far that Forbes can claim that Cleveland has it a bit more miserable than other places.
But still, there must be more to it than that.
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OK, I see that Forbes final, newly added criteria is "Sports team success".
Now, we know that Cleveland has had poor luck with the success of its sports teams, but what constitutes "success"?
I mean, let's ask this: Is it better to have a team and have it disappoint? Or to not have a team at all?
Let's look at a couple of factors:
1. Yes Cleveland has not had a major team title since 1964...Browns NFL. So, let's compare "misery" along that lines with another city:
Let's take: San Diego!! And compare on all fronts with Cleveland: San Diego has not had a major team title since 1963, when the Chargers last won an AFL title. And San Diego LOST the Clippers to LA. Cleveland kept our team when it tried to move. The San Diego area is quite a bit larger now than the Cleveland, almost twice the size, yet it has only 2 major sports franchises compared to Cleveland's 3.
And how about the others: A. On the Superfund map, San Diego seems to have a couple of major sites. Cleveland has none. B. San Diego has the 10th worst crime rate in the US, Cleveland 33rd. C. San Diego has the 12th worst commute time, Cleveland is not even in the top 30. D. San Diego has a higher unemployment rate than Cleveland. E.On the report that noted that Ohio's tax rate ranked 38th, it also noted that California's effective tax rate was like third highest in the country.
On every criteria...San Diego is worse than Cleveland: pollution, crime, congestion, unemployment, sports team failure, tax rate....every criteria but one: Winter weather.
Does San Diego's nice weather trump ALL the advantages that Cleveland has over it? (Well, maybe...but really?)
On the sports team failure criteria also consider: Is Cleveland's failure to win a title as bad as losing two NFL teams like LA has? I have talked about San Diego which is double the size of Cleveland having only 2 team, and I mentioned LA having no NFL teams, but also consider these:
1. The Seattle area, which is larger than the Cleveland area by far also has only 2 teams, having lost their NBA team (and that city has had no title since 1979).
2. St. Louis..larger than Cleveland... lost their NBA and NFL teams before getting one back.
3. Baltimore...larger than Cleveland has only 2 teams and now has to glom off DC for hockey and NBA.
4. Portland, Oregon, a metro area only about 200,000 people less than Cleve. is a one horse town with only an NBA team
5. The same is true for Sacramento, only about 400K less people than Cleveland.
6. The same is true for San Antonio. If you include the Austin area it is bigger than the Cleveland area...has only 1 horse, the Spurs.
7. Las Vegas, a no horse town is now only about 400K less in population than Cleveland.
8. The same is true for the Virginia Beach/Norfolk area. No teams at all.
Is it better to have a team and lose or to have no team at all?
Then Forbes will having nothing to fall back on except that we are a town that gets some snow in winter, but less than Denver or Salt Lake.
So much for this analysis.
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I figure that some editor in some building in New York made the decision that because Cleveland was kinda cold and snowy that it should lead the list.
The only other thing the article says about Cleveland is that it is losing population. Yet, overcongestion was one of the factors they cite to make a city miserable. I would think that losing people would lead to less congestion...and thus more happiness.
And I agree. I once spent 4 hours in traffic in rush hour around Washington D.C. Give me a little lake effect snow all winter long as long as I didn't have to deal with that every day
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