Lombardi: Haden struggled in camp
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nmills said:
It was reported he had a bad hamstring but he ran at the combine anyway, he ran a 4.39 at his pro-day. Watch some film, he doesnt lack speed.Even before the combine there was worry. I agree there is game speed and practice speed and it's still WAY early to discuss anything of this nature. Training camp hasn't even started. Slow points of the off season dredge up reports of this nature.
Homotron said:
Even before the combine there was worry. I agree there is game speed and practice speed and it's still WAY early to discuss anything of this nature. Training camp hasn't even started. Slow points of the off season dredge up reports of this nature.um, people thought he was going to run one of the fastest 40's at the combine...Deion and crew were excited when he first stepped to the line...
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Wow...this thread is a carbon copy of threads at the fag board....
Your schtick is old shep....really...really old.
Chances are everyone got sick of him over there so he decided to try his luck back here. He MIGHT be a browns fan but hes still a troll. Nothing he says make's any sense and he only opens his mouth to get everyone riled up. In his eyes any conversation is better then no conversation. The best thing we could do is just ignore him and stop giving him the attention he tries so hard to get.
Chances are everyone got sick of him over there so he decided to try his luck back here. He MIGHT be a browns fan but hes still a troll. Nothing he says make's any sense and he only opens his mouth to get everyone riled up. In his eyes any conversation is better then no conversation. The best thing we could do is just ignore him and stop giving him the attention he tries so hard to get.
Holy cripes, what the hell was THAT??? What are you responding to?
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ryan's defensive schemes, safety blitzes in particular, would've succeeded more often last year had we had a legitimate secondary. that's why we gave up so many big plays.
ryan's defensive schemes, safety blitzes in particular, would've succeeded more often last year had we had a legitimate secondary. that's why we gave up so many big plays.
Don't get me wrong: We definitely needed to upgrade our secondary. I knew we were gonna sign somebody and draft a couple guys. I just wouldn't have gone with the #7 for a corner.
Cal, I don't think we had a legit shot at Bradford and Holmgren wasn't enamored with Clausen, so I don't disagree that it wasn't going to happen this year. I would've definitely taken Clausen at #38... but I don't think passing on him at #7 was crazy. That might be too much of a reach.
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Shep, did you watch Kareem Jackson in college and conclude he was just as good as Haden? It seems odd that you'd conclude that based on reports from mini-camp -- Holmgren & Heckert didn't evaluate him based on his press clippings.
Shep, did you watch Kareem Jackson in college and conclude he was just as good as Haden? It seems odd that you'd conclude that based on reports from mini-camp -- Holmgren & Heckert didn't evaluate him based on his press clippings.
I didn't say he was better. I said he's very good and will be a quality starting corner... like Kyle Wilson and Joe Haden, probably McCourty. I just think seven was too steep of a price.
Hey, I think Haden will be good. I sure as hell hope so.
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joehaden23 tweet
Just finished working out wit pop in the gym. #puttinginwork. headed 2 clevelad in the morning. Trying 2 sign before sat! I wana get goin!
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By the way, James Walker, the ESPN AFC North guy, says he was at Browns camp and Haden looked a step slow and unsure of himself. I think we can piece together the notion that the kid was not awesome. Doesn't mean all that much... but it is what it is.
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The dominoes are gonna start falling, the Raiders just inked 8th overall pick Rolando McClain
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The dominoes are gonna start falling, the Raiders just inked 8th overall pick Rolando McClain
nmills said:
The dominoes are gonna start falling, the Raiders just inked 8th overall pick Rolando McClainNumbers are in: 5-year, $40 million contract that includes $23 million guaranteed.
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By the way, James Walker, the ESPN AFC North guy, says he was at Browns camp and Haden looked a step slow and unsure of himself. I think we can piece together the notion that the kid was not awesome. Doesn't mean all that much... but it is what it is.
By the way, James Walker, the ESPN AFC North guy, says he was at Browns camp and Haden looked a step slow and unsure of himself. I think we can piece together the notion that the kid was not awesome. Doesn't mean all that much... but it is what it is.
For the millionth time: he was practicing with no pads, no contact, and no knoweldge of the playbook. Give it a rest.
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aarron goldhater was on wknr this morning doing his usual. he's been hating on joe haden all week and someone tweeted haden about it. haden then responded.
http://twitter.com/WllmSutherland
RT @joehaden23: @WllmSutherland People always r going talk! He will c wen the season comes. I don't talk I just ball! 1250 WKNR #SMH
about 10 hours ago via web .
@joehaden23 Goldhammer from 1250 WKNR Cleveland is calling you a bust already!!! Check this fool!!!
about 10 hours ago via web in reply to joehaden23.
@joehaden23:Joe, this douche on the radio, Goldhammer, WKNR1250, is talkin bout how slow you are. Better check this idiot
about 10 hours ago via web in reply to joehaden23.
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haden tweeted this about 4 hours ago.
Boarding the plane now headed 2 Cleveland!
about 4 hours ago via mobile web
hopefully, he signs real soon.
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TheOBR
TheOBR is hearing a tentative agreement in place with Haden.....we are seeking confirmation
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TheOBR
The overall potential dollar value separates the parties by approximately one million dollars according theOBR has learned
10 minutes ago via HootSuite
TheOBR
Due to these ongoing issues the base package of a Haden deal remains open.
13 minutes ago via HootSuite
TheOBR
Parties in Haden negotiations have tentatively agreed to some parameters but discussions on guarantees and incentives ongoing
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What is there to "rip up"? All we've had is minicamp, with no-contact drills and no knowledge of the playbook.
You hear good things about Hardesty and Robiskie because they're making runs and catches with no resistance. CB isn't as sexy a position to report on.
Cover guys cover. The Texans' coach praised Kareem Jackson for holding his own against Andre Johnson day after day, said he looked the part. He's already the starter.
We've had LOTS of shorts-and-tees practices between OTAs and mini-camps... and the corners are covering the WRs every day. They've had a lot to look at.
Cover guys cover. The Texans' coach praised Kareem Jackson for holding his own against Andre Johnson day after day, said he looked the part. He's already the starter.
We've had LOTS of shorts-and-tees practices between OTAs and mini-camps... and the corners are covering the WRs every day. They've had a lot to look at.
McClain_on_NFL
Andre Johnson destroyed rookie CB Kareem Jackson on a double move.#Texans
what a bust, he must be to slow
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Cover guys cover. The Texans' coach praised Kareem Jackson for holding his own against Andre Johnson day after day, said he looked the part. He's already the starter.
We've had LOTS of shorts-and-tees practices between OTAs and mini-camps... and the corners are covering the WRs every day. They've had a lot to look at.
McClain_on_NFL
Andre Johnson destroyed rookie CB Kareem Jackson on a double move.#Texans
what a bust, he must be to slow
nmills said:
McClain_on_NFLAndre Johnson destroyed rookie CB Kareem Jackson on a double move.#Texans
what a bust, he must be to slow
yeah! they should cut his ass off of the team! (*sarcasm alert*)
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Clearly, Lombardi was right about Haden. The guy's a flat-out bust.
Also, I love how Kareem Jackson, the guy who reportedly was fantastic in OTAs, is playing worse than Eric Wright. I guess those summer reports mattered a whole lot less than the college tape, which showed he could get beat deep.
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I thought Haden was up and down yesterday. He showed some excellent coverage on a couple of sideline plays, but gave up way to many 8 and 10 yards completions on key third downs. That should be his forte, getting physical on key 3rd and 6 plays.
McCourty's playing really well for New England and Earl Thomas is in the running for ROY for Seattle. Not sure where Haden ranks among DBs, but it's not super high.
Dez Bryant is becoming a franchise WR before our eyes, though. He's having the kind of rookie year few WRs do, getting it right away. If it were possible to get Bryant and McCourty without sacrificing Ward, I would... but it really isn't. So it's a little pointless to keep looking back.
But... I would love to have Dez Bryant. He's exactly the kind of physical, dominating presence we need to find in the next draft.
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Does anyone else think that Haden had an "up and down" game?
I thought Haden played well. After all, you didn't hear Braylon's name much in the second half. That said, I think that reading through the history of this thread...a couple of points bear mentioning.
First off, it's been stated in numerous places around draft time that Mangini wanted Kyle Wilson from Boise State over Haden. Either way, they took Haden so move on...
Second, Mike Lombardi has a long history of being a participant in the "Mangini Witch Hunt". You can read his biased banter here or read this nice summation about Lombardi vs Mangini here.
Mike Lombardi is an ass. No self-respecting NFL personnel guy or reporter would go to such hyperbolic lengths to discredit and condemn a head coach without some personal vendetta against him.
We'll see who has the last laugh Mike.
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