Mike Holmgren wants fans to behave

FearTheRoo

I do understand what he's trying to do. Sometimes fans can get out of hand, but he should make one exception to the rule: Look the other way when any behavior is directed towards those wearing black and yellow! Any other opposing fans should be left alone, but steelers fans need to feel as uncomfortable as possible there. Although as we witnessed last time they visited Cleveland, steelers fans like to leave the game in the 2nd quarter when their team isn't doing too well. So maybe they won't be around for a bit...stay in that fair weather fellas, you can come out of the closet if your team starts to win again.

ballpeen

I agree with Holmgren.

Browns fans have become...or some have become rude and obnoxious and hope some of them do start getting kicked out of games or losing season tickets.

You should be able to take your kids to games. I am not saying it needs to be a G rating in the place, but it shouldn't be a PG 13 or R rated either.

Fans from other teams shouldn't be harassed simply because they have hit the road to support their team for an away game...remember, those people chose Cleveland as the place to spend their hard earned money. Ask the hotel keeper or restaurateur if they are happy those people came to Cleveland.

I hope it doesn't get to the point you can't swig a brew before the game without hiding it under your coat and having posted lookouts, but it may come to that.

That is why I like the group from this board. We all have a good time but people aren't sitting there 4 hours before the game well on their way to being hammered.

If you see some other fan getting harassed, walk with them, stick up for them...and face it...99% of the time they didn't start a darn thing. All they are doing is cheering for their team...so friggen what? You wouldn't do that if you went to an away game? I am not talking about the 1% of away fans here who act the fool, I am talking about the 99% who are just walking to their seats or going to use the restroom.

I am sensitive to this because for a long time I went to almost nothing but Browns away games and can tell you I was never treated in the manner in which I see other fans treated in Cleveland.

At our tailgates we welcome opposing fans and have a good time. Some good natured ribbing, but mostly shaking hands and swapping stories. Don't let that attitude change once the game begins. Man up and stand up to do the right thing when it counts.

peterbell

Do you know how many times I've been to games and some guy is so drunk he's puking and then sleeping.This is in the 1st freakin quarter. Hey..I'm not talking about getting a game buzz but getting totally trashed is stupid. You really can't enjoy the game and make it misrable for everyone sitting around you. Those people should be ejected. I have 3 daughters who are huge Browns fans..I'm not bringing them because of the bullshit because I would end up in a beef with some a**hole cursing and screaming.. Cheer your ass of but keep it so ALL fans have a great experience.

BigBrownsFan

@peterbell said:
I'm not bringing them because of the bullshit because I would end up in a beef with some a**hole cursing and screaming.. Cheer you ass of but keep in so ALL fans have a great experience

That is why they have the Family Section in the NW corner..... try it. It works. Two years ago was the first time we took all of our kids, up until then it was just my oldest, who is now 19. Our kids were 17, 10 and 4 at the time and had no problems whatsoever.

At Ballpeen... it is getting worse e-v-e-r-y-w-h-e-r-e.... college games are starting to become ridiculous as well. It is the society we live in. And I agree with everything Holmgren said..... totally.

But I also agree with the guy who said just rake the Steeler fans... f em....

CLEVELandMILIDH

Booooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! make a family section then, dont take away the history, tradition, passion,and emotions of the fans. You aint going to see an opera, this is football for crying out loud

peterbell

Well.Just being at a football game shouldn't justify some of the behaviors I witnessed..more in the last 5 years then 20 years ago..

its over the top

sisky fringo

not even PG-13.....but PG? interesting.

perspective is everything and i think i'm finally getting old enough this is becoming pretty appealing (!).

i have been known to be an over-the-liner on occasion and i'm feelin' inspired.

i'm going to try out some slightly buzzed, public-safe & age-appropriate, ultra-rowdy fun!

no more "pig fell in the mud" jokes for this guy.

even thinking about it critically, i just think up more reasons for doing it, so...

i'm on board for 2010!

thanks for brainstorming the thought, Ballpeen (& Holmie).

kshutchins

@peterbell said:
Well.Just being at a football game shouldn't justify some of the behaviors I witnessed..more in the last 5 years then 20 years ago..
its over the top

FYI, I moved my seats because the Browns fans sitting in the seats in front of mine were horribly obnoxious. They'd get drunk and scream obscenities at the Browns and stand up when there was nothing to stand up for, blocking the view of the field for those behind them. When they weren't yelling AT the team (rather than FOR it) they were just generally screwing around being rowdy and rude to other Browns fans. I finally asked them why they even bothered to come to games if it made them so miserable to be there. They proceeded to turn on me, of course.

I go to games to WATCH the games and not to deal with the people sitting around me. I also don't really want to be in the "family" section. I want an "adult" experience without feeling as though I have to protect myself from those who go overboard. The line here is when Browns fans are inconsiderate of other Browns fans. We're all on the same side and should act like it and enjoy the experience together.

I agree with Holmgren when he says that when the team starts winning, the fans behavior will improve.

sisky fringo

i love that season ticket holders were given the opportunity to change their seats this year, and ahead of everyone else. that's the 1st think that popped into my head as i read the above article, was the available solution to this for those that could attend that day. i guess they could also offer to do it over the phone etc...but i digress.

was this the first year they allowed psl's to be changed like that?

ClevelandFanForLife

If he wants us to behave he better not watch LeBron's return to Cleveland. It may be the most ridiculous hint to ever hit this city.

sisky fringo

i really hope not. betrayal might be the worst...but no matter how elegant, hating is always ugly.

medicineman

I don't know about that. There is nothing wrong with hating Steeler fans.

sisky fringo

@medicineman said:
I don't know about that. There is nothing wrong with hating Steeler fans.

oh you can hate them, just can't deny them what they genuinely earned without looking bad imo. genuinely being the operative term here, so that keeps most of those rings in "hate play" too.

even with a nod here and there there's still plenty left to criticize.

medicineman

@sisky-fringo said:
oh you can hate them, just can't deny them what they genuinely earned without looking bad imo. genuinely being the operative term here, so that keeps most of those rings in "hate play" too.
even with a nod here and there there's still plenty left to criticize.

I might be "that guy" but when they cheer when we fumble or int Im the one to throw my beer at him/her I thought thats why you were there

sisky fringo

now i guess i'm gonna have to pull the empty cup "fake-out", as i chuckle heartily at their expense and tally an air point for us sans the liquids.

liquid retaliation is at least PG-13/NC-17.

Gips

Its going to be an ugly season folks, with a really tough schedule and with the teams offense being coached and lead by dumb and dumber holmgren realizes that and is telling/warning the rowdy fans who are about to be ultimately frustrated that there will be no tolerance for it...

Dont be loud dont be proud just sit there and watch the failsauce in silent agony or just get up and head to one of the local pubs as the opposing teams fans whoop it up and have a good time, just smile and say thanks if they dump a beer on ya and claim that municipal stadium now belongs to them, because you know it does...

ATENEARS

I'm going to throw less peanuts this season, stay a bit more sober, not go on drunken tirads laced with profanity, and abuse one less opposing fan.

Either that, or I'll just leave the Hag at home, she gives me a bad name with her actions.

NewEraDawg

LOL..........Ain't love" Grand"

hoorta

@sisky-fringo said:
i love that season ticket holders were given the opportunity to change their seats this year, and ahead of everyone else. that's the 1st think that popped into my head as i read the above article, was the available solution to this for those that could attend that day. i guess they could also offer to do it over the phone etc...but i digress.
was this the first year they allowed psl's to be changed like that?

All of the seats that were offered were either 500 level, or big buck club level. Willing to shell out $5,300 a year- + the PSL + club fees for two tickets? I've sat there a couple of times- other than the bars and restrooms being a lot nicer (and heated) the view IMHO isn't 4X better.

To answer your question, you've always been able to request an upgrade to your season tickets when you send in your payment. It almost never happens though- because people own the PSL it's far more profitable to sell them on e-Bay or Craiglist. It's really unusual for a premium (and by that I mean 100 level) PSLs to revert to the Browns and come up for grabs. Those seats get handed down in wills, or sold for big bucks. I saw a listing on e-Bay for 40 yard line seats- and the guy was asking $5,000 a seat.

On a personal note, we've put in for seat improvement every year since we got in the 100 level, and after seven seasons, we finally got improved- one section closer to the 50, same row.

On the subject of jerk fans- yeah I've seen a few (both Browns and opposing teams). My feeling is act respectable, get treated respectable. Act like an a-hole, well time to get escorted out.

ballpeen

nmills said:
Booooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! make a family section then, dont take away the history, tradition, passion,and emotions of the fans. You aint going to see an opera, this is football for crying out loud

Sorry Mills....we usually agree, but here we don't. I'll be 64 soon enough....and trashing other fans has nothing to do with Browns tradition.

Being called some of the best fans in football has noting to do with trashing other fans and acting the ass.

It has EVERYTHING to do with being class in our actions.

Ask a few of the other older Dawgs who went to games with your Mama and Daddy on a early date....it has nothing to do with harassing some guy in a different color.....if it was, it was done by the people you don't want to become.

Grow up