We're going to the Playoffs
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FREAKofSTEELROIDS08 said:
So you gonna Sweep Pittsburgh ? LOL.... Ok.Yes, we beat you last year with an abysmal passing game, and sacked crapshitburger 8 times. This offseason we have upgraded at nearly every position and you...well haven't.
Yes, we beat you last year with an abysmal passing game, and sacked crapshitburger 8 times. This offseason we have upgraded at nearly every position and you...well haven't.
Damn You guys BUY every year dont ya ?? Last yr was the worst I ever hear you guys complaining...I was concerned you guys might burn down Berea.... But here we are again and just like Arnold who promises ..."I`ll be back" on cue your Hill-billy Pickup up truck of Full of Redneck W. Va. Transplanted Clevelanders comes crashing through the front Door , only instead of the Terminator getting out , here comes a bunch of Dudes that Look like Rick Moranis and "Newman" from Seinfeld. Hilarious. Indeed.
by the way ...NO Way do you sweep Pittsburgh. ONE Win ... hmmm.... i dont know. But TWO ? LOL ... Hey ... I have a Condo on the Gulf overlooks a few Oil Rigs , but Dude It will be Clean as a whistle NEXT Spring. You interested ? Of course you are. Eternal Optimism... of stupidity. Same thing.
Climbing the Stairway...To SEVEN !! -
The Browns finished with 4 wins in a row and BEAT the Steelser 13 - 6 eliminating them from the playoffs---deal with it....
Jim Brown was among the greatest atheletes to ever compete in the NFL... This is a recognized fact by almost every football authority... Never lifted a weight or took a roid and would dominate in todays game as he did when he played.... Super star atheletes are a special breed regardless of what era they played in... Oh I forgot, since you know every starter on every team you are a expert on the NFL...
Truth of the matter is Jim Brown could kick your sorry butt today and he's in his 70's...
Go back to your mom's basement and polish up that tuba, you know your high school band reunion is coming up and you want to look buff...
idiot, idiot, idiot, idiot---- did I mention that you're a freakin' idiot....
I think I'll put you on ignore cause responding to you is just a waste of time............................IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!
Here this was taken from my other board.
Wallace Won’t Be Facing Much New in 2010
Posted on July 19, 2010 by JJ
In another season, Mike Wallace would be considered the key to the 2010 Steelers’ hopes.
But in an offseason where Ben Roethlisberger has been slapped with a six-game suspension and Willie Colon has popped his Achilles’ tendon, all of a sudden Wallace’s development has taken a seat on the bench compared to the questions about quarterback and right tackle.
Even as the attention on Wallace has diminished, there is one piece of conventional wisdom that keeps cropping up. I’ve read it in multiple versions, but it always sounds something like this:
“But the Steelers will have to see how well Wallace does as a starter now that he will be going up against starting cornerbacks instead of nickel backs.”
Here’s the thing. That’s completely and utterly wrong.
You can worry about how well Wallace does as a second-year pro, and you can wonder if he’ll start getting a lot more double teams now that Santonio Holmes is a Jet. And it’s completely fair to question whether Wallace will be able to provide the consistency Holmes gave the Steelers as a true No. 1 receiver.
But it won’t be because Wallace is now facing starting corners. He faced them all last year.
I went back and logged every pass thrown to Wallace in 2009. There were 71 passes thrown Wallace’s way — he was being guarded by a starter on 60 of them. Nine of the passes (including his most notable game-winning catch against Green Bay) were thrown against backups while two of them were Hail Mary passes where it’s impossible to say which of the five defenders jumping for the ball were guarding Wallace.
Want more proof. Check out Wallace’s biggest plays from the 2009 season.
Week Opponent Yards Defender
9 Bengals 46 Jonathan Joseph
Not a catch, but a pass interference penalty called on Joseph. Wallace was also going against safety help on this play
14 Packers 60 Jarret Bush
Wallace runs by Bush for early first-quarter touchdown
16 Dolphins 54 Nate Jones
Wallace lines up inside of Holmes in rare formation. Beats Jones (and safety help) with pure speed
3 Bengals 51 Jonathan Joseph
Simple streak route, Wallace runs by Joseph catches ball then runs out of bounds
5 Lions 47 William James
Wallace gets past James on a post route for the touchdown
15 Ravens 45 Frank Walker
Game-changer as Wallace helps Steelers get out from own four-yard-line to midfield.
7 Vikings 40 Tyrell Johnson
Wallace goes against zone coverage, Johnson, a safety, is closest to Wallace at the time of the catch
4 Chargers 35 Steve Gregory
Roethlisberger has plenty of time, Wallace finds seam in zone coverage. Gregory is the closest defender.
10 Chiefs 33 Brandon Flowers
Wallace runs down sideline to beat Chiefs’ top cornerback, but then fumbles the ball after the catch.
Of his nine biggest plays last year, only one came against a backup cornerback while one other pass came against a starting safety. The easy explanation is that the Steelers’ formations ensured that Wallace faced starting cornerbacks. With very few exceptions, whenever Wallace entered the game, he lined up as an outside receiver, usually with Hines Ward lining up in the slot on Wallace’s side. Very, very few NFL teams have their corners follow a specific wide receiver all over the field, so usually what would happen is Wallace would face up against one of the opponent’s starting corners while the nickel or dime corner would line up against Ward in the slot.
When the Steelers went to their bunch formation with two receivers and tight end Heath Miller bunched together at the line, Wallace was usually on the outside with Ward lined up to his inside. In those cases, the starting corner was usually lined up on the outside as well, so unless Wallace ran a crossing route (which was rare) he ended up against a starting corner.
On the very rare occasions that Wallace was moved inside into the slot, it was almost always to try to get him a favorable matchup for a deep route. I counted four passes thrown Wallace’s way when he was lined up in the slot (remember that’s out of 71 passes). On all four of those passes, Wallace ran a deep route, three of them fell incomplete, but the fourth was a 54-yard touchdown against the Dolphins.
So if you wonder who may suffer by Holmes’ departure, you should probably worry more about Ward. Many of Ward’s third-down catches, and some of his first and second-down grabs, came when he was lined up inside against nickel and dime backs (and lots of linebackers in zone defenses). If Antwaan Randle-El is the Steelers’ No. 3 receiver, Pittsburgh will either have to move Ward back outside or split Randle-El out wide and ask him to do something he’s not particularly adept at doing – Randle El has six catches of 40-yards or more in his career (Wallace had six last season).
Homotron said:
Here this was taken from my other board.Wallace Won’t Be Facing Much New in 2010
Posted on July 19, 2010 by JJ
In another season, Mike Wallace would be considered the key to the 2010 Steelers’ hopes.
But in an offseason where Ben Roethlisberger has been slapped with a six-game suspension and Willie Colon has popped his Achilles’ tendon, all of a sudden Wallace’s development has taken a seat on the bench compared to the questions about quarterback and right tackle.
Even as the attention on Wallace has diminished, there is one piece of conventional wisdom that keeps cropping up. I’ve read it in multiple versions, but it always sounds something like this:
“But the Steelers will have to see how well Wallace does as a starter now that he will be going up against starting cornerbacks instead of nickel backs.”
Here’s the thing. That’s completely and utterly wrong.
You can worry about how well Wallace does as a second-year pro, and you can wonder if he’ll start getting a lot more double teams now that Santonio Holmes is a Jet. And it’s completely fair to question whether Wallace will be able to provide the consistency Holmes gave the Steelers as a true No. 1 receiver.
But it won’t be because Wallace is now facing starting corners. He faced them all last year.
I went back and logged every pass thrown to Wallace in 2009. There were 71 passes thrown Wallace’s way — he was being guarded by a starter on 60 of them. Nine of the passes (including his most notable game-winning catch against Green Bay) were thrown against backups while two of them were Hail Mary passes where it’s impossible to say which of the five defenders jumping for the ball were guarding Wallace.
Want more proof. Check out Wallace’s biggest plays from the 2009 season.
Week Opponent Yards Defender
9 Bengals 46 Jonathan Joseph
Not a catch, but a pass interference penalty called on Joseph. Wallace was also going against safety help on this play
14 Packers 60 Jarret Bush
Wallace runs by Bush for early first-quarter touchdown
16 Dolphins 54 Nate Jones
Wallace lines up inside of Holmes in rare formation. Beats Jones (and safety help) with pure speed
3 Bengals 51 Jonathan Joseph
Simple streak route, Wallace runs by Joseph catches ball then runs out of bounds
5 Lions 47 William James
Wallace gets past James on a post route for the touchdown
15 Ravens 45 Frank Walker
Game-changer as Wallace helps Steelers get out from own four-yard-line to midfield.
7 Vikings 40 Tyrell Johnson
Wallace goes against zone coverage, Johnson, a safety, is closest to Wallace at the time of the catch
4 Chargers 35 Steve Gregory
Roethlisberger has plenty of time, Wallace finds seam in zone coverage. Gregory is the closest defender.
10 Chiefs 33 Brandon Flowers
Wallace runs down sideline to beat Chiefs’ top cornerback, but then fumbles the ball after the catch.
Of his nine biggest plays last year, only one came against a backup cornerback while one other pass came against a starting safety. The easy explanation is that the Steelers’ formations ensured that Wallace faced starting cornerbacks. With very few exceptions, whenever Wallace entered the game, he lined up as an outside receiver, usually with Hines Ward lining up in the slot on Wallace’s side. Very, very few NFL teams have their corners follow a specific wide receiver all over the field, so usually what would happen is Wallace would face up against one of the opponent’s starting corners while the nickel or dime corner would line up against Ward in the slot.
When the Steelers went to their bunch formation with two receivers and tight end Heath Miller bunched together at the line, Wallace was usually on the outside with Ward lined up to his inside. In those cases, the starting corner was usually lined up on the outside as well, so unless Wallace ran a crossing route (which was rare) he ended up against a starting corner.
On the very rare occasions that Wallace was moved inside into the slot, it was almost always to try to get him a favorable matchup for a deep route. I counted four passes thrown Wallace’s way when he was lined up in the slot (remember that’s out of 71 passes). On all four of those passes, Wallace ran a deep route, three of them fell incomplete, but the fourth was a 54-yard touchdown against the Dolphins.
So if you wonder who may suffer by Holmes’ departure, you should probably worry more about Ward. Many of Ward’s third-down catches, and some of his first and second-down grabs, came when he was lined up inside against nickel and dime backs (and lots of linebackers in zone defenses). If Antwaan Randle-El is the Steelers’ No. 3 receiver, Pittsburgh will either have to move Ward back outside or split Randle-El out wide and ask him to do something he’s not particularly adept at doing – Randle El has six catches of 40-yards or more in his career (Wallace had six last season).
And Emanuel Sanders ... could be another Wallace. DAMN>
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Yes, we beat you last year with an abysmal passing game, and sacked crapshitburger 8 times. This offseason we have upgraded at nearly every position and you...well haven't.
Damn You guys BUY every year dont ya ?? Last yr was the worst I ever hear you guys complaining...I was concerned you guys might burn down Berea.... But here we are again and just like Arnold who promises ..."I`ll be back" on cue your Hill-billy Pickup up truck of Full of Redneck W. Va. Transplanted Clevelanders comes crashing through the front Door , only instead of the Terminator getting out , here comes a bunch of Dudes that Look like Rick Moranis and "Newman" from Seinfeld. Hilarious. Indeed.
by the way ...NO Way do you sweep Pittsburgh. ONE Win ... hmmm.... i dont know. But TWO ? LOL ... Hey ... I have a Condo on the Gulf overlooks a few Oil Rigs , but Dude It will be Clean as a whistle NEXT Spring. You interested ? Of course you are. Eternal Optimism... of stupidity. Same thing.
FREAKofSTEELROIDS08 said:
Damn You guys BUY every year dont ya ?? Last yr was the worst I ever hear you guys complaining...I was concerned you guys might burn down Berea.... But here we are again and just like Arnold who promises ..."I`ll be back" on cue your Hill-billy Pickup up truck of Full of Redneck W. Va. Transplanted Clevelanders comes crashing through the front Door , only instead of the Terminator getting out , here comes a bunch of Dudes that Look like Rick Moranis and "Newman" from Seinfeld. Hilarious. Indeed.by the way ...NO Way do you sweep Pittsburgh. ONE Win ... hmmm.... i dont know. But TWO ? LOL ... Hey ... I have a Condo on the Gulf overlooks a few Oil Rigs , but Dude It will be Clean as a whistle NEXT Spring. You interested ? Of course you are. Eternal Optimism... of stupidity. Same thing.
Undying loyalty,enthusiasm and optimism for our team even in the face of a long string of poor performances is what makes Browns fans the greatest fans in the NFL.
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unlike stooler fans who will be gone in two years because the stoolers are going down down down. Why are the stoolers going down? Because it's important not to cheat too many years in a row. If you do it too long it will become so obvious that action will have to be taken. The NFL doesn't want Congress to start an investigation on the Stooler cheating. They will suck for about ten years before they resume their cheating ways.
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just worry about having a winning season first.
or hey, maybe 2 in the same decade.
actually, never mind about the 2 in the same decade........no point setting unobtainable goals for your team.
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The amount of Trolling on the board is ridiculous. If you are a fan from another team please post here and discuss these topics objectively and with facts. This idiotic trash talking makes these topics unreadable and you lose all credibility as a poster.
That being said I believe the browns could at best go 8-8 maybe 9-7. We have made improvements on paper and have to see how they work out on the field. I believe Delhomme will have a better season and will not be asked to do as much due to the strength that our running game should have. If Rogers is fully recovered then our D-line will be fantastic. Rogers was always more suited to go after the QB rather than play the traditional nose tackle role in a 3-4. This was evidenced on how good RUbin was against the run last year. I believe our D will be top 15 this year it is our offense I am worried about.
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FREAKofSTEELROIDS08 said:
Damn You guys BUY every year dont ya ?? Last yr was the worst I ever hear you guys complaining...I was concerned you guys might burn down Berea.... But here we are again and just like Arnold who promises ..."I`ll be back" on cue your Hill-billy Pickup up truck of Full of Redneck W. Va. Transplanted Clevelanders comes crashing through the front Door , only instead of the Terminator getting out , here comes a bunch of Dudes that Look like Rick Moranis and "Newman" from Seinfeld. Hilarious. Indeed.by the way ...NO Way do you sweep Pittsburgh. ONE Win ... hmmm.... i dont know. But TWO ? LOL ... Hey ... I have a Condo on the Gulf overlooks a few Oil Rigs , but Dude It will be Clean as a whistle NEXT Spring. You interested ? Of course you are. Eternal Optimism... of stupidity. Same thing.
Undying loyalty,enthusiasm and optimism for our team even in the face of a long string of poor performances is what makes Browns fans the greatest fans in the NFL.
Undying loyalty,enthusiasm and optimism for our team even in the face of a long string of poor performances is what makes Browns fans the greatest fans in the NFL.
Fine line between Great and Dumb.
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unlike stooler fans who will be gone in two years because the stoolers are going down down down. Why are the stoolers going down? Because it's important not to cheat too many years in a row. If you do it too long it will become so obvious that action will have to be taken. The NFL doesn't want Congress to start an investigation on the Stooler cheating. They will suck for about ten years before they resume their cheating ways.
unlike stooler fans who will be gone in two years because the stoolers are going down down down. Why are the stoolers going down? Because it's important not to cheat too many years in a row. If you do it too long it will become so obvious that action will have to be taken. The NFL doesn't want Congress to start an investigation on the Stooler cheating. They will suck for about ten years before they resume their cheating ways.
Dude we aint going anywhere , and 2 yrs is about as long as our Team goes with out making things interesting so... blaaa blaaa.
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mikeyP72 said:
Well, not to brag but we finished 9-7 in 2002 and 10-6 in 2007.So there
Touche ~
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The amount of Trolling on the board is ridiculous. If you are a fan from another team please post here and discuss these topics objectively and with facts. This idiotic trash talking makes these topics unreadable and you lose all credibility as a poster.
That being said I believe the browns could at best go 8-8 maybe 9-7. We have made improvements on paper and have to see how they work out on the field. I believe Delhomme will have a better season and will not be asked to do as much due to the strength that our running game should have. If Rogers is fully recovered then our D-line will be fantastic. Rogers was always more suited to go after the QB rather than play the traditional nose tackle role in a 3-4. This was evidenced on how good RUbin was against the run last year. I believe our D will be top 15 this year it is our offense I am worried about.
The amount of Trolling on the board is ridiculous. If you are a fan from another team please post here and discuss these topics objectively and with facts. This idiotic trash talking makes these topics unreadable and you lose all credibility as a poster.
That being said I believe the browns could at best go 8-8 maybe 9-7. We have made improvements on paper and have to see how they work out on the field. I believe Delhomme will have a better season and will not be asked to do as much due to the strength that our running game should have. If Rogers is fully recovered then our D-line will be fantastic. Rogers was always more suited to go after the QB rather than play the traditional nose tackle role in a 3-4. This was evidenced on how good RUbin was against the run last year. I believe our D will be top 15 this year it is our offense I am worried about.
THIS Is your First post ? lol... at least get to know us before you accuse us of a lack of Objectivity. I am More than Fair... and I respect the Town of Cleveland. Every blue moon I torment someone... but its all fun.
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The amount of Trolling on the board is ridiculous. If you are a fan from another team please post here and discuss these topics objectively and with facts. This idiotic trash talking makes these topics unreadable and you lose all credibility as a poster.
That being said I believe the browns could at best go 8-8 maybe 9-7. We have made improvements on paper and have to see how they work out on the field. I believe Delhomme will have a better season and will not be asked to do as much due to the strength that our running game should have. If Rogers is fully recovered then our D-line will be fantastic. Rogers was always more suited to go after the QB rather than play the traditional nose tackle role in a 3-4. This was evidenced on how good RUbin was against the run last year. I believe our D will be top 15 this year it is our offense I am worried about.
THIS Is your First post ? lol... at least get to know us before you accuse us of a lack of Objectivity. I am More than Fair... and I respect the Town of Cleveland. Every blue moon I torment someone... but its all fun.
THIS Is your First post ? lol... at least get to know us before you accuse us of a lack of Objectivity. I am More than Fair... and I respect the Town of Cleveland. Every blue moon I torment someone... but its all fun.
I was referring more to others I have seen post on this board. I usually observe and am a member on other sites. Honestly though the first few games without your qb may be tough. I havent looked at the steelers first four games but a bad start can really put that team in a whole. Especially with that O-line in the shape it is
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mikeyP72 said:
They signed Flozell Adams from Dallas to replace Willie Colon. Everyone said their line sucked last year but it didnt look like it when they were winning.You mean the line that allowed Ben to be sacked 50 times? OR how about that stellar running game they had for most of the season? I just don't see Adams at his age being enough. I think if Mendenhall can stay healthy though they will be in it for the division.
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THIS Is your First post ? lol... at least get to know us before you accuse us of a lack of Objectivity. I am More than Fair... and I respect the Town of Cleveland. Every blue moon I torment someone... but its all fun.
I was referring more to others I have seen post on this board. I usually observe and am a member on other sites. Honestly though the first few games without your qb may be tough. I havent looked at the steelers first four games but a bad start can really put that team in a whole. Especially with that O-line in the shape it is
I was referring more to others I have seen post on this board. I usually observe and am a member on other sites. Honestly though the first few games without your qb may be tough. I havent looked at the steelers first four games but a bad start can really put that team in a whole. Especially with that O-line in the shape it is
The shape of our o-line has been overblown for several years now. I made 200 dollars when we won the Bowl against the Cards. A friend of mine from college and a diehard Browns fan refused to believe the offensive line was good enough to get to the Playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl. Max Starks really came in to his own last season at LT and will only be better this year. Kemo is a HARD CHARGING ROAD GRADER that routinely blows up LB's second level and he'll also be improved. The center position is still up in the air with Hartwig or Pouncey but early reports have Pouncey possibly starting at RG. Flozell will hold down the RT and while he struggled last season and the season before that with pass protection he was still STELLAR against the run and at RT he'll be asked to run block. If Flozell pans out the offensive line could be punishing and we'll never have to hear the offensive line is a weakness again. Hell i figured it would dwindle after the Super Bowl run but it still makes it's rounds because it's the only real area on the roster open for occasional criticism. As far as the first 4 games are concerned I think we'll come out of that 2-2. We certainly won't lose all 4.
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mikeyP72 said:
They signed Flozell Adams from Dallas to replace Willie Colon. Everyone said their line sucked last year but it didnt look like it when they were winning.You mean the line that allowed Ben to be sacked 50 times? OR how about that stellar running game they had for most of the season? I just don't see Adams at his age being enough. I think if Mendenhall can stay healthy though they will be in it for the division.
You mean the line that allowed Ben to be sacked 50 times? OR how about that stellar running game they had for most of the season? I just don't see Adams at his age being enough. I think if Mendenhall can stay healthy though they will be in it for the division.
When hasn't Ben been sacked a bunch? It's his style of play, not the offensive line. As far as the run game is concerned blame that on Bruce Arians and his elimination of the FB. He also obviously prefers to throw over run but the Rooney's put a stake in that game plan and want the offense to get back to the run. Add in a FB, plus the drafting of Pouncey and the addition of Adams who is fantastic on the run. Mendenhall goes for over 1500 yards and double digit TD's. The o-line talk will stop after this year.
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THIS Is your First post ? lol... at least get to know us before you accuse us of a lack of Objectivity. I am More than Fair... and I respect the Town of Cleveland. Every blue moon I torment someone... but its all fun.
I was referring more to others I have seen post on this board. I usually observe and am a member on other sites. Honestly though the first few games without your qb may be tough. I havent looked at the steelers first four games but a bad start can really put that team in a whole. Especially with that O-line in the shape it is
I was referring more to others I have seen post on this board. I usually observe and am a member on other sites. Honestly though the first few games without your qb may be tough. I havent looked at the steelers first four games but a bad start can really put that team in a whole. Especially with that O-line in the shape it is
Gonna be a Tuff Yr. for The Steelers. But You never Know.
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