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Is it Taboo to bring back Marty Shottenheimer

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  • Marty was just on the phone on the football game and said that he's not likely interested in coming back to coach anytime soon. He said he's really settled in down in Charlotte and enjoying it.

    F--k!

    2009-10 Browns Prediction: 8-8

  • What Marty is really saying is show me the money just like Cowher.

    Head or Gut?

  • Wait...Marty lives here in Charlotte?

    Time to make a pilgrimage and beg him...

  • @jadbf said:

    So Tom...

    What were your expecatations of this team in august? How many wins did you think they would have this year when you looked at this team in August? Hindsight is a wonderful wonderful toy.

    Actually, those that were here BEFORE you remember me confronting Lums about how Derek Anderson was about to face a much tougher schedule in 2008. I was the cocky soothesayer warning Lums "Beware the ides of September." Understanding we were 0-2 right off the bat - how'd I do? You can call that whatever your Phil Savage-mancrush requires you to. I feel bad you weren't smart enough to realize we played 12 youth football teams in 2007 and lost to 2 of them. We're still O-for-Pittsburgh in the Savage era so I see why you're always cranky trying to defend him. This might be a good time to wipe your chin.

    Did you know RAC BEAT Pittsburgh when his Supervisor in NE gave him better players to coach. While I'm at it - RAC's defense held THE redhot Peyton Manning to just 3 points on a day up in Foxboro when NE's TALENTED offense burned Indy for 23 points. If memory serves me right, RAC's defense THIS year held Peyton Manning to just 3 points but our latest version of Trent Dilfer at QB fumbled 7 points away. See how much easier this gets when your QB is Tom Brady instead of the trent Dilfer types?

    - Tom F. (When you grow up with football being your life you don't need hindsight)

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"

  • Is it taboo to bring Butch Davis back? Same dumb shit, different decade. You booed Marty out of town, you booed BD out of town, you booed Couch out of town you booed Kosar out of town, you are booing RAC and DA out of town.....nothing changes in C-town! glad I left....P.S. you will boo BQ out of town as well!

  • S Solon16

    Is it taboo to bring Butch Davis back? Same dumb shit, different decade. You booed Marty out of town, you booed BD out of town, you booed Couch out of town you booed Kosar out of town, you are booing RAC and DA out of town.....nothing changes in C-town! glad I left....P.S. you will boo BQ out of town as well!

    @solon16 said:

    Is it taboo to bring Butch Davis back? Same dumb shit, different decade. You booed Marty out of town, you booed BD out of town, you booed Couch out of town you booed Kosar out of town, you are booing RAC and DA out of town.....nothing changes in C-town! glad I left....P.S. you will boo BQ out of town as well!

    LOL! I remembered asking a HUGE Butch Davis fan "not that I think Chris Palmer has been a success or anything but are we getting rid of the REAL problem or just the scapegoat?" His answer to me was a confident - you won't have to worry about excuses or scapegoats with Butch. As we reversed 5-27 with playoffs within 2 years we got alot of "see what I'm saying?" We weren't even halfway through 2003 and the SAME guy wanted Butch fired. That's when you gotta ask yourself HOW did Cleveland lure a guy destined to be a college football coach into the wrong world away from talent and tropical paradise for cold weather, 2 Policy-porcelin pillars named Tim & Courtney, no scholarships in a town where patience for losing has the hometown fans wanting your head just half a season after you gave them their only playoff picture in a decade?

    I didn't WANT Butch but there was a brief period he actually impressed me when he problem solved Candybones Brown with Jamir Miller on the edge to the tune of our secondary leading the conference in INTs for Miller's harassment on QBs. Then Jamir blows out an achilles in the preseason of 2002 and we made the playoffs inspite of it. As far as Butch thinking he was a GM - WHO gave him that power and WHY? We never ask these questions because we're too enamored with the easist scapegoat solution. Holmgren went to his first Superbowl with Seattle the year after he gave up GM duties.

    Now today when I ask a Phil Savage enthusiast if we ONLY get rid of RAC - are we solving MOST of our problems? When you get a chance on your own spare time - take a look at our depth chart. In doing so, look at age, injury history, upside, productivity. Do you honesty see this roster as close to be sufficient? Like SONY likes to say: "I don't see nearly enough playmakers on offense or defense" so that's why our opponent's usually have a couple more BIG plays than we do.

    - Tom F.

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"

  • The Only thing Cleveland fans are good at, is booing. And throwing bottles! It is the same year after year decade after decade. I've been on these messages boards since 02'....been a browns fan for 40 years....all Dumb Cleveland fans want to do is poo poo on everything....and it's the little shit....like how Davis threw fazio under the bus for the fking prevent defense, or how belicheck mumbled through every interview, or simply because guys like BQ are drafted period...Some have been booing Savage and RAC before they even stepped foot in Berea, Some have been been Booing Quinn since before that draft....nothing will ever change in Cleveland without continuity and that is what Cleveland fans can't allow to happen....Policy's handling of the cap is why BD had to purge all our starting LB's after the playoff season but noone seems to recall that fact, They want to remember that Butch Davis didn't listen to ron wolf. So I say to Cleveland fans....BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Hey let's Scrap this whole organization again and let's get new coordinators, purge the roster again, hire new everybody then start bitching and booing the choices the moment people get mentioned for the new positions. RAC must go....I conceed that. But we need to continue with the 3-4 and Chud must stay! Otherwise we will be booing forever!

    Is there no truth to this??? of course there is!

  • S Solon16

    The Only thing Cleveland fans are good at, is booing. And throwing bottles! It is the same year after year decade after decade. I've been on these messages boards since 02'....been a browns fan for 40 years....all Dumb Cleveland fans want to do is poo poo on everything....and it's the little shit....like how Davis threw fazio under the bus for the fking prevent defense, or how belicheck mumbled through every interview, or simply because guys like BQ are drafted period...Some have been booing Savage and RAC before they even stepped foot in Berea, Some have been been Booing Quinn since before that draft....nothing will ever change in Cleveland without continuity and that is what Cleveland fans can't allow to happen....Policy's handling of the cap is why BD had to purge all our starting LB's after the playoff season but noone seems to recall that fact, They want to remember that Butch Davis didn't listen to ron wolf. So I say to Cleveland fans....BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Hey let's Scrap this whole organization again and let's get new coordinators, purge the roster again, hire new everybody then start bitching and booing the choices the moment people get mentioned for the new positions. RAC must go....I conceed that. But we need to continue with the 3-4 and Chud must stay! Otherwise we will be booing forever!

    Is there no truth to this??? of course there is!

    @solon16 said:

    The Only thing Cleveland fans are good at, is booing. And throwing bottles! It is the same year after year decade after decade. I've been on these messages boards since 02'....been a browns fan for 40 years....

    Then you should understand why we're pissed off, you f--king moron.

    2009-10 Browns Prediction: 8-8
  • P pl4tinum

    @solon16 said:

    The Only thing Cleveland fans are good at, is booing. And throwing bottles! It is the same year after year decade after decade. I've been on these messages boards since 02'....been a browns fan for 40 years....

    Then you should understand why we're pissed off, you f--king moron.

    @pl4tinum said:

    Then you should understand why we're pissed off, you f--king moron.

    Nice.... you b the moron...and a low class one at that.

  • @hiwaygal said:

    Kathy - I respect your opinion and understand why you feel the way you do.

    At this point I'm thinking that Cowher or Marty would only be a short term solution. I think one of these two give us the best chance to win with the talent we've got and we can see vast improvement in a short time (maybe 2 years).

    In the meantime whoever it is can train/mentor someone who is exactly like you describe. And that would be our long term direction.

    Neither Cowher nor Marty are wanting to come back for the long haul...but they still have some fire in them that can maybe jump start this team.

    I think if Cowher were to coach for the Browns, even if the team wins it all, the only thing we're going to hear from Steeler fans is that the Browns couldn't get a coach of their own, they had to take one from the Steelers. Blecch.

    As for Marty, he's coached here before and to me that feels like a step backwards rather than a step into the future.

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  • I don't care what Steelers fans have to say if Cowher coaches here. They seem to conveniently forget that he was a Browns player and coach before he went to the Steelers so they got their great coach from us to begin with.

    I'd take either Marty or Cowher...I think both would immediately turn the franchise around. Marty coached the Chargers to 14-2 just 2 seasons ago...it's not like he's been out of the league for years. The Chargers have gotten worse without him and the word around San Diego is that Norv Turner is going to be fired...think they wish they had kept Marty after the 14-2 season?

  • K kshutchins

    @hiwaygal said:

    Kathy - I respect your opinion and understand why you feel the way you do.

    At this point I'm thinking that Cowher or Marty would only be a short term solution. I think one of these two give us the best chance to win with the talent we've got and we can see vast improvement in a short time (maybe 2 years).

    In the meantime whoever it is can train/mentor someone who is exactly like you describe. And that would be our long term direction.

    Neither Cowher nor Marty are wanting to come back for the long haul...but they still have some fire in them that can maybe jump start this team.

    I think if Cowher were to coach for the Browns, even if the team wins it all, the only thing we're going to hear from Steeler fans is that the Browns couldn't get a coach of their own, they had to take one from the Steelers. Blecch.

    As for Marty, he's coached here before and to me that feels like a step backwards rather than a step into the future.

    @kshutchins said:

    I think if Cowher were to coach for the Browns, even if the team wins it all, the only thing we're going to hear from Steeler fans is that the Browns couldn't get a coach of their own, they had to take one from the Steelers. Blecch.

    As for Marty, he's coached here before and to me that feels like a step backwards rather than a step into the future.

    Kathy,

    The BEST way to deal with that is to remind the Steeler fans WHERE Cowher and Noll and even Shula got their NFL baptisms as players. In Cleveland. So in essence, we've gone full circle from seeing Pittsburgh look to Cleveland to appear on the NFL map. Same thing here.

    - Tom F. (Some of the best dynasties and coaches have deep roots to the Browns and Paul Brown)

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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