Jim Brown feeling bitter toward's organization
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I think there isn't enough room for all the statues of
former Browns coaches and players who deserve them.
Blanton Collier, Leroy Kelly, Milt Morin, Gene Hickerson, Loe the Toe, ...
there's plenty more, I just don't remember them offhand.
It's a team game, I don't see statues of individuals at all....
But I will always appreciate Al Lerner for funding the bringing back of our Browns.
I think there isn't enough room for all the statues of
former Browns coaches and players who deserve them.
Blanton Collier, Leroy Kelly, Milt Morin, Gene Hickerson, Loe the Toe, ...
there's plenty more, I just don't remember them offhand.
It's a team game, I don't see statues of individuals at all....
But I will always appreciate Al Lerner for funding the bringing back of our Browns.
OK, but, recall that he merely bid a couple of million dollars more than the next guy, who I believe was Charles Dolan, founder of Cablevision and HBO and brother of Larry Dolan.
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In one capacity or another, this guy has been sopping his bisuits in the Browns gravy train since he left the team. This, I suspect, has created enormous resentment amongst the rest of the retired Browns,
some who have made just as many contributions to the overallll direction of the club. Since he loves Cleveland so much, why did he rush to socal as soon as he could to take up residence, never again
to live in the Browns community? Of course we all know his hollywood career was shortlived and not as profiable as jim imagined it would be. It's time to cut this bushwacker free from any prearrranged
good ole buy severence package put together by regimes past. We love you Jim. Try to read the writing on the wall and quit taking yourself so seriously. Walmart is always hiring.
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In one capacity or another, this guy has been sopping his bisuits in the Browns gravy train since he left the team. This, I suspect, has created enormous resentment amongst the rest of the retired Browns,
some who have made just as many contributions to the overallll direction of the club. Since he loves Cleveland so much, why did he rush to socal as soon as he could to take up residence, never again
to live in the Browns community? Of course we all know his hollywood career was shortlived and not as profiable as jim imagined it would be. It's time to cut this bushwacker free from any prearrranged
good ole buy severence package put together by regimes past. We love you Jim. Try to read the writing on the wall and quit taking yourself so seriously. Walmart is always hiring.
In one capacity or another, this guy has been sopping his bisuits in the Browns gravy train since he left the team. This, I suspect, has created enormous resentment amongst the rest of the retired Browns's,
some who have made just as many contributions to the overallll direction of the club. Since he loves Cleveland so much, why did he rush to socal as soon as he could to take up residence, never again
to live in the Browns community? Of course we all know his hollywood career was shortlived and not as profiable as jim imagined it would be. It's time to cut this bushwacker free from any prearrranged
good ole buy severence package put together by regimes past. We love you Jim. Try to read the writing on the wall and quit taking yourself so seriously. Walmart is always hiring.
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Formerly Stone said:
Your point is fair although surrounded in your own speculation. Why should a man who simply put up money, but was also instrumental in the departure of the previous team, have a statue?However, despite the greatness that was Jim Brown on the field, who would erect a statue of a scumbag of a human being? Paul Brown I can see...........and just more speculation about Joe Louis.........
Some of it is speculation, agreed. I think I said that.
As for having a statue for Al Lerner, yes, some Browns fans would agree, why should a short term owner who had a hand in the team's "move" be compensated with a statue?
On why should Jim Brown have a statue? Well, because he was perhaps the greatest football player ever, and this is a football team. A hell of a lot worse scumbags have statues.
On Paul Brown, I don't know. Perhaps there may be some residual resentment toward him from the Lerner's stemming from Al's association/friendship? with Art Modell, or perhaps the Lerner's may not feel comfortable honoring a man whose family still owns a rival team.
On Joe Louis, that is not speculation, though it is questionable. The semi-official line is that the Browns are named after Joe Louis, the "Brown" Bomber; though, in reality, they are probably named after Paul Brown. It is known that he rejected the original chosen name of "The Panthers" and that when someone suggested The Browns, he said "yea, that sounds good", but he didn't want to actually acknowledge that the "Brown" was actually he, so the Joe Louis story was, perhaps, concocted. Or, maybe it is completely true. Maybe there was so much love for an African-American sports hero that everyone just accepted that a professional football team was named for him. Pretty awesome for 1945 America, wouldn't you say? That is, if you buy it. Many/most don't.
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If there should be a statue of anyone in front of the stadium it should be Paul Brown first and foremost!
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I'm amazed that as Browns fans we can write off what a scumbag this guy really is.
The crap this guy was accused makes the pittsburg rapist look like a beginner.
I'm glad to cut ties with this parasite.
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Formerly Stone said:
I am amazed at how people are often okay with embarrassment as long as someone is worse.A statue outside your stadium is a statement about the organization, not the football player. Yes Jim Brown was a great football player, but that is one of many attributes, most of the rest of which are bad.
Actually, I think you are wrong. MOST of Jim Browns attributes are good if not outstanding.
Has he had a few road bumps in his life? Sure, but, if you take his life as a whole, he has made an outstanding contribution to society with his charitable work and his foundations, etc. etc.
So, if St. Peter at the Pearly gates were there judging his positives against his negatives it wouldn't even be an issue.
A. He is perhaps the greatest football player ever. B. His Amer-I-can program has helped countless inner city kids stay out of trouble. C. He had a few decent roles in a few decent action movies...for what that's worth D. He has been an advisor for the Browns for years. And I could probably go on.
On the other side, he had a couple of minor legal entanglements. How many others have had those.
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I am sure you are a wise fellow Gipper , but when you start speaking for ole St, Pete I gotta wonder what you are drinking .
Also........can I have some .
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Here is a brief synopsis of JBs overall career, good and bad:
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Here is a brief synopsis of JBs overall career, good and bad:
Here is a brief synopsis of JBs overall career, good and bad:
Thanks.................. but I lived through it . From say 1957 on
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http://www.fanfeedr.com/nfl/2010/08/26/cle...dio-show-about-
CLEVELAND -- Browns Hall of Fame running back Jim Brown, who's original plan was to skip the Brown's Ring of Honor ceremony on Sept. 19, indicated on a Syracuse radioi station today that he feels disrespected by the organization.
Speaking on a The Score 1260 in Syracuse, N.Y., Brown responded to a question about possibly skipping the ceremony for the first time: "I'm a very sensitive person. I do like to be respected. I'm very loyal. I like it to be a two-way street.
"I've been very quiet about the situation in Cleveland. Sometimes when you comment on things all you do is create problems. The last thing I want to do is create problems for anyone or disrupt the team or ownership or the plans of other people. On the other hand, as an individual I have plans of my own. I have a dignity and character of my own that I also protect. I don't really need to comment on where I go, why I go, why I don't go. All the people involved are doing all the commenting. They're the ones with the power. I'm just an individual who played football and worked for the Browns for a while....My main work right now is to help the players pension plan and health care situation....Those of us well enough off financially should chip in and start the ball rolling so that these players can be given the respect that baseball and basketball give their players.''
Browns President Mike Holmgren said during a press conference today to announce the Ring of Honor that he spoke with Brown a couple of days ago and that he trusts Brown will attend the ceremony honoring the Browns' 16 Hall of Famers.
He said "rift' is too strong a word to describe the situation between the Browns and Brown and that he's acknowledged from day one how important he is to the organization. He said his responsibilities have changed, but that he still wants Brown to be a part of the Browns' family and come back and speak to the rookies and attend other team functions.
Brown had been an executive advisor to the team, but was relieved of that title after Holmgren took over as president.
Fellow Hall of Famer Paul Warfield said he'll try to encourage Brown to attend the ceremony if he gets the opportunity.
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it's just what i thought it was. jim is overeacting to all of this. when most businesses bring in a new administration, they ususally fire everyone from the prior admin. it just goes to show how much respect the browns have for jim by them still keeping him around (but in a lesser role) and still having him on their pay role (on a lesser salary) even though they have all that they need with the members of their new fo. if they didn't care about him or value him, they would have just fired him. hopefully jim will look at this situation for what it really is and come on back.
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Zombo said:
That's good to hear.Zombo
DID ANnyone really believe that he would not come?? It's all about damage control. In the long run, it's cheaper and less hassle to bring The Dude home for the big show.
Somebody sooothed his hurt feelings. Maybe Colt is good for something!!!...( this being his nonplaying rookie session)
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Jim Browns thinks the Browns Screwed himâŚ.
Posted by Randy Ward on August 30th, 2010 in Features
Jim Browns think the team screwed him. Well Jim, the fans of this city think you scewed us.
From Profootballtalk.com
Earlier this year, the Cleveland Browns decided to part ways with Hall of Fame running back Jim Brown, who most recently served as a member of the teamâs senior management.
Brown had kept quiet about the situation in Cleveland, alluding vaguely to âPandoraâs boxâ but not opening it. Yet.
That could be changing. According to Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Brown has sent a letter to the Browns explaining that â as reported and expected â he wonât be attending the September 19 Ring of Honor induction. In the letter, per Grossi, âBrown states that while he had no formal contract as executive advisor with the Browns, he believes his agreement with owner Randy Lerner was violated because a clause in it stated he would answer to no one but Lerner.â
But a contract is an agreement. So either Brown had an âagreementâ or he didnât. It sounds like at most he had a legally unenforceable understanding as to what his role would be and, more importantly, who he would be reporting to.
Brown contends that he was offered $100,000 per year to be âa greeter . . . a mascot . . . a person that would represent special events by his physical presence,â and that he declined. From that it could be inferred that his prior agreement/arrangement entailed much more money â and much more substantive duties.
Still, it doesnât appear that Brown plans to demand a settlement or to file suit. Instead, the main purpose of the letter seems to be the communication of his decision not to attend the September 19 event.
âI donât have any trophies in my home on display,â Brown writes. âI donât claim to be the best at anything, and I emphatically do not need validation from any man, so I will not participate in your Ring of Honor.â
We respect Brownâs position. But shouldnât he also be asking the Browns not to include him in the Ring of Honor at all? Even if he doesnât show up, heâll have permanent validation at Cleveland Browns Stadium via the presence of his name there.
If he doesnât want it, he needs to say so. And if he doesnât say so, weâll assume he wants it.
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I like Jim, and he has done some good things, but he is off base here.
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Jim is just too sensitive. He seems to feel disrespect like other people feel hunger.
At least it was Holmgren who gave him and Bernie the heave-ho otherwise the national media would have descended on Berea like a plague of locusts to publish another "Mangini scorches sacred ground" article. I think respecting former greats and giving them big voices in the organization are two things that can't go together. For instance, Roger Staubach doesn't help run the Dallas Cowboys but they reach out to him respectfully and he returns the respect.
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I wonder if Randy Lerner was aware of Mike Holgren's intensions to reduce Jim Browns' role with the team BEFORE the meeting with Jim Brown. I understand the whole bit about new management wanting to make changes and all that. It seems to me that the job that was created for Jim Brown, when it was created,was pretty much like a handshake agreement that he had with Randy Lerner. I think if there were going to be any changes made to the working agreement that Brown had with Lerner, that it was Lerner that should have made them. Brown was not part of any front office re-shuffle with regard to football operations, he was more of a "personal services" type of employee and by all of the accounts that I have read in the paper and on the radio I believe that the way Brown was treated was "awkward". I know that Randy was relieved to be able to get Mike Holgren to run the football operation but I really think he should have been more involved if there were going to be any changes made with regard to Jim Browns status, role, function or whatever you want to call it. Reggie Ruckers article highlighted the good that Jim Brown did as an ambassador for the Cleveland Browns and our city and mentioned all of the other charitable contributions and work he did with youth within and for our city. Those intangibles should have been acknowledged by someone somehow. The greatest player in Browns history, looking to make a difference and wanting to be a part of, now not wanting to be a part of this team's great heritage.
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I wonder if Randy Lerner was aware of Mike Holgren's intensions to reduce Jim Browns' role with the team BEFORE the meeting with Jim Brown. I understand the whole bit about new management wanting to make changes and all that. It seems to me that the job that was created for Jim Brown, when it was created,was pretty much like a handshake agreement that he had with Randy Lerner. I think if there were going to be any changes made to the working agreement that Brown had with Lerner, that it was Lerner that should have made them. Brown was not part of any front office re-shuffle with regard to football operations, he was more of a "personal services" type of employee and by all of the accounts that I have read in the paper and on the radio I believe that the way Brown was treated was "awkward". I know that Randy was relieved to be able to get Mike Holgren to run the football operation but I really think he should have been more involved if there were going to be any changes made with regard to Jim Browns status, role, function or whatever you want to call it. Reggie Ruckers article highlighted the good that Jim Brown did as an ambassador for the Cleveland Browns and our city and mentioned all of the other charitable contributions and work he did with youth within and for our city. Those intangibles should have been acknowledged by someone somehow. The greatest player in Browns history, looking to make a difference and wanting to be a part of, now not wanting to be a part of this team's great heritage.
I wonder if Randy Lerner was aware of Mike Holgren's intensions to reduce Jim Browns' role with the team BEFORE the meeting with Jim Brown. I understand the whole bit about new management wanting to make changes and all that. It seems to me that the job that was created for Jim Brown, when it was created,was pretty much like a handshake agreement that he had with Randy Lerner. I think if there were going to be any changes made to the working agreement that Brown had with Lerner, that it was Lerner that should have made them. Brown was not part of any front office re-shuffle with regard to football operations, he was more of a "personal services" type of employee and by all of the accounts that I have read in the paper and on the radio I believe that the way Brown was treated was "awkward". I know that Randy was relieved to be able to get Mike Holgren to run the football operation but I really think he should have been more involved if there were going to be any changes made with regard to Jim Browns status, role, function or whatever you want to call it. Reggie Ruckers article highlighted the good that Jim Brown did as an ambassador for the Cleveland Browns and our city and mentioned all of the other charitable contributions and work he did with youth within and for our city. Those intangibles should have been acknowledged by someone somehow. The greatest player in Browns history, looking to make a difference and wanting to be a part of, now not wanting to be a part of this team's great heritage.
It would be the other way around- near certainty Holmgren approached Lerner about reducing JBs role- and Randy wimped out.
Brown can blather on how he was "disrespected" as much as he wants- but if the reports are true- do the math- JB collected over a million buck retirement check from the Browns for essentially doing nothing.
I think considering Lerner's largess, he should find the time to show up one last time at the stadium. And if you don't, take a hike down to South Beach and high five your pal LeBron for sticking it to the fans who have supported you for the last 52 years.
Be sure to make a stop in Omaha on your way back to LA to make sure Maurice Clarett's new "Masters" aren't being too hard on him.
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Jim Brown: "My legacy won't be defined by Holmgren"
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 17, 2010 8:54 AM ET
The Browns induct 16 Hall of Famers on Sunday into their first "Ring of Honor" but the greatest Brown of them all (Jim Brown, of course) will be with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell at a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus in Washington, D.C.
Brown, still upset with a reduced role with the organization, says he won't attend the ceremonies despite last minute entreaties.
"No, I won't be going," Brown said. "My legacy won't be defined by [browns President Mike] Holmgren." Brown sent Holmgren a letter that he doesn't want to be a "greeter" or a "mascot" for the organization.
Brown used to have owner Randy Lerner's ear as an adviser. Holmgren seems to have that ear exclusively these days.
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