Jim Brown feeling bitter toward's organization
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I always thought jim brown was treated very well by the browns organization..then holmgren comes along and abruptly cuts it all off..cant say i blame brown if he is bitter in the blink of a new regime he went from a privileged special guest to unwanted scoundrel...jim brown a cleveland browns hero and fan favorite at his age and stage of life did not deserve to be treated this poorly by the browns org...
I always thought jim brown was treated very well by the browns organization..then holmgren comes along and abruptly cuts it all off..cant say i blame brown if he is bitter in the blink of a new regime he went from a privileged special guest to unwanted scoundrel...jim brown a cleveland browns hero and fan favorite at his age and stage of life did not deserve to be treated this poorly by the browns org...
OK, so where is Randy Lerner in this situation. He is the owner of the team. He has final say. Anything of this nature would have to be done with the consent and approval of the owner, fair to say?
Here is a possible reason for this frostiness: Randy Lerner wants to erect a statue to Al Lerner outside the Stadium.
OK, so, we recognize that Al Lerner paid a lot of money to bid on the franchise when it was up for sale during the "expansion" process. And we recognize that he died after only a few years. But, the key is "only a few years".
In the realm of things, why should Al Lerner get a statue when there is no statue to: Jim Brown, Paul Brown, Otto Graham, Lou Groza, etc. etc. etc. all the Browns greats of the past, or to Joe Louis, who allegedly the team is named after.
Maybe Jim Brown said something about "why should there be a statue to someone who all he did for the team is put up money". Even if JB didn't say that, it is still a good point.
I advocate for a statue of Jim Brown, Paul Brown, and Joe Louis be erected and that Randy officially declare that the Cleveland Browns name be in honor of these gentlemen. Then put Al's statue on the other side of the stadium.
Sound fair?
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every time i've seen him in the past 20+ years he's always been wearing that dog bowl african kufi hat.
what does this have to do with anything? why even bring this up? it's completely irrelevant to this discussion. there's absolutely nothing wrong with a man showing respect for his ancestry by wearing an item like that. it's not a dog bowl, but your comments are quite prejudiced and borderline racist. just because you don't understand the african culture doesn't give you the right to throw childish remarks at it. instead of talking about jim brown you should look in the mirror and focus on yourself. concentrate working on getting rid of that hate and ignorance in you. this is the second time in less than 2 months that i've seen an ignorant comment like this from you.
what does this have to do with anything? why even bring this up? it's completely irrelevant to this discussion. there's absolutely nothing wrong with a man showing respect for his ancestry by wearing an item like that. it's not a dog bowl, but your comments are quite prejudiced and borderline racist. just because you don't understand the african culture doesn't give you the right to throw childish remarks at it. instead of talking about jim brown you should look in the mirror and focus on yourself. concentrate working on getting rid of that hate and ignorance in you. this is the second time in less than 2 months that i've seen an ignorant comment like this from you.
Besides, its actually been a few years since I saw him wear that hat. For a long time he did, but not lately.
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I think there isn't enough room for all the statues of
former Browns coaches and players who deserve them.
Blanton Collier, Leroy Kelly, Milt Morin, Gene Hickerson, Loe the Toe, ...
there's plenty more, I just don't remember them offhand.
It's a team game, I don't see statues of individuals at all....
But I will always appreciate Al Lerner for funding the bringing back of our Browns.
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Bottom line is Jim Brown didn't bring much to the Browns other than living legend status.
If he isn't willing to maintain that status without drawing a paycheck, then, too bad Jim.
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I think there isn't enough room for all the statues of
former Browns coaches and players who deserve them.
Blanton Collier, Leroy Kelly, Milt Morin, Gene Hickerson, Loe the Toe, ...
there's plenty more, I just don't remember them offhand.
It's a team game, I don't see statues of individuals at all....
But I will always appreciate Al Lerner for funding the bringing back of our Browns.
I think there isn't enough room for all the statues of
former Browns coaches and players who deserve them.
Blanton Collier, Leroy Kelly, Milt Morin, Gene Hickerson, Loe the Toe, ...
there's plenty more, I just don't remember them offhand.
It's a team game, I don't see statues of individuals at all....
But I will always appreciate Al Lerner for funding the bringing back of our Browns.
OK, but, recall that he merely bid a couple of million dollars more than the next guy, who I believe was Charles Dolan, founder of Cablevision and HBO and brother of Larry Dolan.
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In one capacity or another, this guy has been sopping his bisuits in the Browns gravy train since he left the team. This, I suspect, has created enormous resentment amongst the rest of the retired Browns,
some who have made just as many contributions to the overallll direction of the club. Since he loves Cleveland so much, why did he rush to socal as soon as he could to take up residence, never again
to live in the Browns community? Of course we all know his hollywood career was shortlived and not as profiable as jim imagined it would be. It's time to cut this bushwacker free from any prearrranged
good ole buy severence package put together by regimes past. We love you Jim. Try to read the writing on the wall and quit taking yourself so seriously. Walmart is always hiring.
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In one capacity or another, this guy has been sopping his bisuits in the Browns gravy train since he left the team. This, I suspect, has created enormous resentment amongst the rest of the retired Browns,
some who have made just as many contributions to the overallll direction of the club. Since he loves Cleveland so much, why did he rush to socal as soon as he could to take up residence, never again
to live in the Browns community? Of course we all know his hollywood career was shortlived and not as profiable as jim imagined it would be. It's time to cut this bushwacker free from any prearrranged
good ole buy severence package put together by regimes past. We love you Jim. Try to read the writing on the wall and quit taking yourself so seriously. Walmart is always hiring.
In one capacity or another, this guy has been sopping his bisuits in the Browns gravy train since he left the team. This, I suspect, has created enormous resentment amongst the rest of the retired Browns's,
some who have made just as many contributions to the overallll direction of the club. Since he loves Cleveland so much, why did he rush to socal as soon as he could to take up residence, never again
to live in the Browns community? Of course we all know his hollywood career was shortlived and not as profiable as jim imagined it would be. It's time to cut this bushwacker free from any prearrranged
good ole buy severence package put together by regimes past. We love you Jim. Try to read the writing on the wall and quit taking yourself so seriously. Walmart is always hiring.
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Formerly Stone said:
Your point is fair although surrounded in your own speculation. Why should a man who simply put up money, but was also instrumental in the departure of the previous team, have a statue?However, despite the greatness that was Jim Brown on the field, who would erect a statue of a scumbag of a human being? Paul Brown I can see...........and just more speculation about Joe Louis.........
Some of it is speculation, agreed. I think I said that.
As for having a statue for Al Lerner, yes, some Browns fans would agree, why should a short term owner who had a hand in the team's "move" be compensated with a statue?
On why should Jim Brown have a statue? Well, because he was perhaps the greatest football player ever, and this is a football team. A hell of a lot worse scumbags have statues.
On Paul Brown, I don't know. Perhaps there may be some residual resentment toward him from the Lerner's stemming from Al's association/friendship? with Art Modell, or perhaps the Lerner's may not feel comfortable honoring a man whose family still owns a rival team.
On Joe Louis, that is not speculation, though it is questionable. The semi-official line is that the Browns are named after Joe Louis, the "Brown" Bomber; though, in reality, they are probably named after Paul Brown. It is known that he rejected the original chosen name of "The Panthers" and that when someone suggested The Browns, he said "yea, that sounds good", but he didn't want to actually acknowledge that the "Brown" was actually he, so the Joe Louis story was, perhaps, concocted. Or, maybe it is completely true. Maybe there was so much love for an African-American sports hero that everyone just accepted that a professional football team was named for him. Pretty awesome for 1945 America, wouldn't you say? That is, if you buy it. Many/most don't.
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If there should be a statue of anyone in front of the stadium it should be Paul Brown first and foremost!
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I'm amazed that as Browns fans we can write off what a scumbag this guy really is.
The crap this guy was accused makes the pittsburg rapist look like a beginner.
I'm glad to cut ties with this parasite.
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Formerly Stone said:
I am amazed at how people are often okay with embarrassment as long as someone is worse.A statue outside your stadium is a statement about the organization, not the football player. Yes Jim Brown was a great football player, but that is one of many attributes, most of the rest of which are bad.
Actually, I think you are wrong. MOST of Jim Browns attributes are good if not outstanding.
Has he had a few road bumps in his life? Sure, but, if you take his life as a whole, he has made an outstanding contribution to society with his charitable work and his foundations, etc. etc.
So, if St. Peter at the Pearly gates were there judging his positives against his negatives it wouldn't even be an issue.
A. He is perhaps the greatest football player ever. B. His Amer-I-can program has helped countless inner city kids stay out of trouble. C. He had a few decent roles in a few decent action movies...for what that's worth D. He has been an advisor for the Browns for years. And I could probably go on.
On the other side, he had a couple of minor legal entanglements. How many others have had those.
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I am sure you are a wise fellow Gipper , but when you start speaking for ole St, Pete I gotta wonder what you are drinking .
Also........can I have some .
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Here is a brief synopsis of JBs overall career, good and bad:
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Here is a brief synopsis of JBs overall career, good and bad:
Here is a brief synopsis of JBs overall career, good and bad:
Thanks.................. but I lived through it . From say 1957 on
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http://www.fanfeedr.com/nfl/2010/08/26/cle...dio-show-about-
CLEVELAND -- Browns Hall of Fame running back Jim Brown, who's original plan was to skip the Brown's Ring of Honor ceremony on Sept. 19, indicated on a Syracuse radioi station today that he feels disrespected by the organization.
Speaking on a The Score 1260 in Syracuse, N.Y., Brown responded to a question about possibly skipping the ceremony for the first time: "I'm a very sensitive person. I do like to be respected. I'm very loyal. I like it to be a two-way street.
"I've been very quiet about the situation in Cleveland. Sometimes when you comment on things all you do is create problems. The last thing I want to do is create problems for anyone or disrupt the team or ownership or the plans of other people. On the other hand, as an individual I have plans of my own. I have a dignity and character of my own that I also protect. I don't really need to comment on where I go, why I go, why I don't go. All the people involved are doing all the commenting. They're the ones with the power. I'm just an individual who played football and worked for the Browns for a while....My main work right now is to help the players pension plan and health care situation....Those of us well enough off financially should chip in and start the ball rolling so that these players can be given the respect that baseball and basketball give their players.''
Browns President Mike Holmgren said during a press conference today to announce the Ring of Honor that he spoke with Brown a couple of days ago and that he trusts Brown will attend the ceremony honoring the Browns' 16 Hall of Famers.
He said "rift' is too strong a word to describe the situation between the Browns and Brown and that he's acknowledged from day one how important he is to the organization. He said his responsibilities have changed, but that he still wants Brown to be a part of the Browns' family and come back and speak to the rookies and attend other team functions.
Brown had been an executive advisor to the team, but was relieved of that title after Holmgren took over as president.
Fellow Hall of Famer Paul Warfield said he'll try to encourage Brown to attend the ceremony if he gets the opportunity.
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it's just what i thought it was. jim is overeacting to all of this. when most businesses bring in a new administration, they ususally fire everyone from the prior admin. it just goes to show how much respect the browns have for jim by them still keeping him around (but in a lesser role) and still having him on their pay role (on a lesser salary) even though they have all that they need with the members of their new fo. if they didn't care about him or value him, they would have just fired him. hopefully jim will look at this situation for what it really is and come on back.
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Zombo said:
That's good to hear.Zombo
DID ANnyone really believe that he would not come?? It's all about damage control. In the long run, it's cheaper and less hassle to bring The Dude home for the big show.
Somebody sooothed his hurt feelings. Maybe Colt is good for something!!!...( this being his nonplaying rookie session)
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Jim Browns thinks the Browns Screwed him….
Posted by Randy Ward on August 30th, 2010 in Features
Jim Browns think the team screwed him. Well Jim, the fans of this city think you scewed us.
From Profootballtalk.com
Earlier this year, the Cleveland Browns decided to part ways with Hall of Fame running back Jim Brown, who most recently served as a member of the team’s senior management.
Brown had kept quiet about the situation in Cleveland, alluding vaguely to “Pandora’s box” but not opening it. Yet.
That could be changing. According to Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Brown has sent a letter to the Browns explaining that — as reported and expected — he won’t be attending the September 19 Ring of Honor induction. In the letter, per Grossi, “Brown states that while he had no formal contract as executive advisor with the Browns, he believes his agreement with owner Randy Lerner was violated because a clause in it stated he would answer to no one but Lerner.”
But a contract is an agreement. So either Brown had an “agreement” or he didn’t. It sounds like at most he had a legally unenforceable understanding as to what his role would be and, more importantly, who he would be reporting to.
Brown contends that he was offered $100,000 per year to be “a greeter . . . a mascot . . . a person that would represent special events by his physical presence,” and that he declined. From that it could be inferred that his prior agreement/arrangement entailed much more money — and much more substantive duties.
Still, it doesn’t appear that Brown plans to demand a settlement or to file suit. Instead, the main purpose of the letter seems to be the communication of his decision not to attend the September 19 event.
“I don’t have any trophies in my home on display,” Brown writes. “I don’t claim to be the best at anything, and I emphatically do not need validation from any man, so I will not participate in your Ring of Honor.”
We respect Brown’s position. But shouldn’t he also be asking the Browns not to include him in the Ring of Honor at all? Even if he doesn’t show up, he’ll have permanent validation at Cleveland Browns Stadium via the presence of his name there.
If he doesn’t want it, he needs to say so. And if he doesn’t say so, we’ll assume he wants it.
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I like Jim, and he has done some good things, but he is off base here.
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