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  • how on earth did you get AP, CJ and andre johnson? were you drafting in a 3 person league or with 10 year old's haha. i know CJ wasn't that high that last year but he was still an early 2nd round pick.

    I ended up getting ap in the 1st, cj in the 2nd, johnson in the 3rd, schaub 4th and welker 5th, i got Jerome Harrison Miles Austin Brent Celek Nate Kaeding 49ers in free agency, and I traded matt forte and someone for roddy white

    How many people in this league have severe down syndrome? Peterson and Chris Johnson are consensus one and two in every league and every format. I could see taking Peterson a 3 in a PPR league but otherwise 1 and 2 end of story. Andre Johnson is also a fringe top 5 selection depending on format but a definite first round pick. The fact that you have all 3 indicates you either in a league by yourself or the rest of it's membership would rather try stuffing a square peg in a round hole for 5 hours.

    EDIT: AND Roddy White who goes in the 2nd round consistently in just about every mock I've seen this year. Who was the first pick in this draft? Let me guess Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? lol

    keep in mind it was 2009 so that year turner and gore and jackson and lt were way ahead of cj. It was a 10 person league and besides some idiot taking roethlisberger in the first, everyone else fell roughly where they were projected to

  • Was this a good trade?

    Adrian Peterson and TJ Houzmanzadah

    for

    Chris Johnson

    (I get Johnson

  • @maddogg7888 said:

    I didnt draft this year yet but last year my team was god like

    2009 roster: UNDEFEATED

    QB: Matt Schaub

    RB: Chris Johnson

    RB: Adrian Peterson

    RB/WR: Cedric Benson

    WR: Andre Johnson

    WR: Wes Welker

    TE: Dallas Clark

    K: Ryan Longwell

    DEF: Saints

    Philip River

    Brett Favre

    Ricky Williams

    Jerome Harrison

    Roddy White

    Miles Austin

    Brent Celek

    Nate Kaeding

    49ers

    How many people in this league have severe down syndrome? Peterson and Chris Johnson are consensus one and two in every league and every format. I could see taking Peterson a 3 in a PPR league but otherwise 1 and 2 end of story. Andre Johnson is also a fringe top 5 selection depending on format but a definite first round pick. The fact that you have all 3 indicates you either in a league by yourself or the rest of it's membership would rather try stuffing a square peg in a round hole for 5 hours.

    EDIT: AND Roddy White who goes in the 2nd round consistently in just about every mock I've seen this year. Who was the first pick in this draft? Let me guess Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? lol

    Homotron said:

    How many people in this league have severe down syndrome? Peterson and Chris Johnson are consensus one and two in every league and every format. I could see taking Peterson a 3 in a PPR league but otherwise 1 and 2 end of story. Andre Johnson is also a fringe top 5 selection depending on format but a definite first round pick. The fact that you have all 3 indicates you either in a league by yourself or the rest of it's membership would rather try stuffing a square peg in a round hole for 5 hours.

    EDIT: AND Roddy White who goes in the 2nd round consistently in just about every mock I've seen this year. Who was the first pick in this draft? Let me guess Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? lol

    I agree. I looks like it is a league for Retards...no insult to the owner intended....at least he knew who to take.

  • Was this a good trade?

    Adrian Peterson and TJ Houzmanzadah

    for

    Chris Johnson

    (I get Johnson

    suns said:

    Was this a good trade?

    Adrian Peterson and TJ Houzmanzadah

    for

    Chris Johnson

    (I get Johnson

    Fvck no. Adrian Peterson should put up comparable points. All you're doing is throwing in a receiver for free.

  • suns said:

    Was this a good trade?

    Adrian Peterson and TJ Houzmanzadah

    for

    Chris Johnson

    (I get Johnson

    Fvck no. Adrian Peterson should put up comparable points. All you're doing is throwing in a receiver for free.

    Homotron said:

    Fvck no. Adrian Peterson should put up comparable points. All you're doing is throwing in a receiver for free.

    Peterson will fumble more than Johnson though.

  • Homotron said:

    Fvck no. Adrian Peterson should put up comparable points. All you're doing is throwing in a receiver for free.

    Peterson will fumble more than Johnson though.

    suns said:

    Peterson will fumble more than Johnson though.

    Do you get negative points for fumbles? He had 7 fumbles last year during the regular season. Fantasy football championships usually happen in weeks 14-17 for fantasy football depending on the league. Adrian Peterson still puts up monster numbers and as I said above in one of my posts is the consensus number 2 pick in just about every league and the difference is minimal. Trading AD and Housh for Chris Johnson is just handing the CJ owner a solid fantasy receiver for free. CJ and AD production will be very similar and don't be surprised to see Peterson put up more points.

  • Zombo said:

    We are down to just three openings in our final fantasy league!

    http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/brownsboard4

    League ID: 328103

    Password: Beer

    Zombo

    I just jumped in this league ... see you sept 8 at 7!

  • I grabbed the last spot, thanks

  • I tried joining too late =(

  • I like that CJ for AP and houshmazdah

    Housh shouldnt even be in your starting line-up and CJ> AP

    Good trade. fill in your open roster spot with a september hot starter off of FA's...

  • I like that CJ for AP and houshmazdah

    Housh shouldnt even be in your starting line-up and CJ> AP

    Good trade. fill in your open roster spot with a september hot starter off of FA's...

    @lambdo said:

    I like that CJ for AP and houshmazdah

    Housh shouldnt even be in your starting line-up and CJ> AP

    Good trade. fill in your open roster spot with a september hot starter off of FA's...

    It's not a good trade no matter how you shake it. Housh will still be a solid WR in all formats. Justin Forsett should burst on to the scene out there and they have Leon Washington. All of which leads to a bolstered run game something they haven't really had since Alexander was run out of town. Hasselbeck appears healthy and they added Golden Tate in the draft. Housh will have someone opposite him to take some of the heat which will lead to more targets and ultimately more completions. I'm not saying Housh will be a fantasy monster but he'll be solid. The difference between Peterson and CJ is going to be minimal so no I wouldn't have made that trade and there is a reason the other guy did.

  • Tony Romo

    (Dal - QB)

    Reggie Wayne

    (Ind - WR)

    Dwayne Bowe

    (KC - WR)

    Jeremy Maclin

    (Phi - WR)

    Maurice Jones-Drew

    (Jac - RB)

    Shonn Greene

    (NYJ - RB)

    Antonio Gates

    (SD - TE)

    Jamaal Charles

    (KC - RB)

    Ronnie Brown

    (Mia - RB)

    Pierre Garcon

    (Ind - WR)

    Justin Forsett

    (Sea - RB)

    Matthew Stafford

    (Det - QB)

    Terrell Owens

    (Cin - WR)

    Greg Olsen

    (Chi - TE)

    Nate Kaeding

    (SD - K)

    Rob Bironas

    (Ten - K)

    San Francisco

    (SF - DEF)

  • @lambdo said:

    I like that CJ for AP and houshmazdah

    Housh shouldnt even be in your starting line-up and CJ> AP

    Good trade. fill in your open roster spot with a september hot starter off of FA's...

    It's not a good trade no matter how you shake it. Housh will still be a solid WR in all formats. Justin Forsett should burst on to the scene out there and they have Leon Washington. All of which leads to a bolstered run game something they haven't really had since Alexander was run out of town. Hasselbeck appears healthy and they added Golden Tate in the draft. Housh will have someone opposite him to take some of the heat which will lead to more targets and ultimately more completions. I'm not saying Housh will be a fantasy monster but he'll be solid. The difference between Peterson and CJ is going to be minimal so no I wouldn't have made that trade and there is a reason the other guy did.

    Homotron said:

    It's not a good trade no matter how you shake it. Housh will still be a solid WR in all formats. Justin Forsett should burst on to the scene out there and they have Leon Washington. All of which leads to a bolstered run game something they haven't really had since Alexander was run out of town. Hasselbeck appears healthy and they added Golden Tate in the draft. Housh will have someone opposite him to take some of the heat which will lead to more targets and ultimately more completions. I'm not saying Housh will be a fantasy monster but he'll be solid. The difference between Peterson and CJ is going to be minimal so no I wouldn't have made that trade and there is a reason the other guy did.

    I live the CJ for housh and AP also. Housh is a ham and egger no other way to slice it. You can get a better WR (or player in general if u need a back up at another spot) off the waiver wire. The difference last year between CJ and AP wasn't so minimal. AP had about 700 less total yards and only 2 more TDs. do the math at a pt for every 10 yards and 6 for a td CJ was about 58 pts better then ap. divide that by a 16 game season .... Do the trade! CJ is a beast or listen to the squeelers fan and ride out whos your moma

  • Homotron said:

    It's not a good trade no matter how you shake it. Housh will still be a solid WR in all formats. Justin Forsett should burst on to the scene out there and they have Leon Washington. All of which leads to a bolstered run game something they haven't really had since Alexander was run out of town. Hasselbeck appears healthy and they added Golden Tate in the draft. Housh will have someone opposite him to take some of the heat which will lead to more targets and ultimately more completions. I'm not saying Housh will be a fantasy monster but he'll be solid. The difference between Peterson and CJ is going to be minimal so no I wouldn't have made that trade and there is a reason the other guy did.

    I live the CJ for housh and AP also. Housh is a ham and egger no other way to slice it. You can get a better WR (or player in general if u need a back up at another spot) off the waiver wire. The difference last year between CJ and AP wasn't so minimal. AP had about 700 less total yards and only 2 more TDs. do the math at a pt for every 10 yards and 6 for a td CJ was about 58 pts better then ap. divide that by a 16 game season .... Do the trade! CJ is a beast or listen to the squeelers fan and ride out whos your moma

    @jnuh said:

    I live the CJ for housh and AP also. Housh is a ham and egger no other way to slice it. You can get a better WR (or player in general if u need a back up at another spot) off the waiver wire. The difference last year between CJ and AP wasn't so minimal. AP had about 700 less total yards and only 2 more TDs. do the math at a pt for every 10 yards and 6 for a td CJ was about 58 pts better then ap. divide that by a 16 game season .... Do the trade! CJ is a beast or listen to the squeelers fan and ride out whos your moma

    I guess it depends on your scoring format. Defense are also going to key on Johnson heavily this season and AD is a more physical runner. Either way in most formats the differences aren't huge. CJ is certainly a more intriguing RB but Housh is still had 82 catches and almost a thousand yards without a run game to keep defenses honest last year. In standard scoring formats it was a 11 point difference between the two running backs. Even in a PPR format the difference is minimal. I'm not sure what kind of scoring your fantasy league employs but in no regularly used format did CJ outscore AD by 58 points. You also aren't going to find a easy wire replacement for Housh. Sure people get hot but everyone else in the league is going after those hot tickets so you better hope you have waiver priority. I definitely don't make the trade but I've said that 4 times now.

    EDIT: And what stats are you looking at? 700 less total yards? CJ barely beat out Peterson in receiving yards and catches and only had 193 more yards on the ground.

  • @jnuh said:

    I live the CJ for housh and AP also. Housh is a ham and egger no other way to slice it. You can get a better WR (or player in general if u need a back up at another spot) off the waiver wire. The difference last year between CJ and AP wasn't so minimal. AP had about 700 less total yards and only 2 more TDs. do the math at a pt for every 10 yards and 6 for a td CJ was about 58 pts better then ap. divide that by a 16 game season .... Do the trade! CJ is a beast or listen to the squeelers fan and ride out whos your moma

    I guess it depends on your scoring format. Defense are also going to key on Johnson heavily this season and AD is a more physical runner. Either way in most formats the differences aren't huge. CJ is certainly a more intriguing RB but Housh is still had 82 catches and almost a thousand yards without a run game to keep defenses honest last year. In standard scoring formats it was a 11 point difference between the two running backs. Even in a PPR format the difference is minimal. I'm not sure what kind of scoring your fantasy league employs but in no regularly used format did CJ outscore AD by 58 points. You also aren't going to find a easy wire replacement for Housh. Sure people get hot but everyone else in the league is going after those hot tickets so you better hope you have waiver priority. I definitely don't make the trade but I've said that 4 times now.

    EDIT: And what stats are you looking at? 700 less total yards? CJ barely beat out Peterson in receiving yards and catches and only had 193 more yards on the ground.

    Homotron said:

    EDIT: And what stats are you looking at? 700 less total yards? CJ barely beat out Peterson in receiving yards and catches and only had 193 more yards on the ground.

    I believe he was looking at the 2009 NFL stats for some reason.

    CJ: Rushing Yards: 2006 Receiving yards: 503 Total Yards: 2509

    AP: Rushing Yards: 1383 Receiving yards: 436 Total Yards: 1819

    2509-1819= 690 yds.

    Not quite 700, but close right?

    He had 600 more yards on the ground. You were right with the receiving yards though.

    Also, here are their total fantasy points for 2009 in a PPR league.

    CJ: 360 total

    AP: 292 total

    68 point difference. Accounting for a 16 game schedule, Johnson outscored him by 4.25 points per week.

    So the question is, is TJ Houschmazoadazilla 4.25 points better than your average guy off the wire?

    T.J. was the number 26 receiver in this format. A WR3. He scored 149 points or 9.3125 per week.

    Mario Manningham was number 30. He scored 133 points, or 8.3125 per week.

    Chris Chambers was 40. He scored 118 points or 7.375 per week.

    Giving up T.J. just leaves an open spot on your roster to pick up a young guy getting hot. There's no throwing in anything extra. It all comes down to who is more valuable to you between CJ and AP. TJ's stats were a dime a dozen. Hasslebeck is still in a bad position, I like Forsett but he won't get his shots, and Seattle is still not a good team.

  • Homotron said:

    EDIT: And what stats are you looking at? 700 less total yards? CJ barely beat out Peterson in receiving yards and catches and only had 193 more yards on the ground.

    I believe he was looking at the 2009 NFL stats for some reason.

    CJ: Rushing Yards: 2006 Receiving yards: 503 Total Yards: 2509

    AP: Rushing Yards: 1383 Receiving yards: 436 Total Yards: 1819

    2509-1819= 690 yds.

    Not quite 700, but close right?

    He had 600 more yards on the ground. You were right with the receiving yards though.

    Also, here are their total fantasy points for 2009 in a PPR league.

    CJ: 360 total

    AP: 292 total

    68 point difference. Accounting for a 16 game schedule, Johnson outscored him by 4.25 points per week.

    So the question is, is TJ Houschmazoadazilla 4.25 points better than your average guy off the wire?

    T.J. was the number 26 receiver in this format. A WR3. He scored 149 points or 9.3125 per week.

    Mario Manningham was number 30. He scored 133 points, or 8.3125 per week.

    Chris Chambers was 40. He scored 118 points or 7.375 per week.

    Giving up T.J. just leaves an open spot on your roster to pick up a young guy getting hot. There's no throwing in anything extra. It all comes down to who is more valuable to you between CJ and AP. TJ's stats were a dime a dozen. Hasslebeck is still in a bad position, I like Forsett but he won't get his shots, and Seattle is still not a good team.

    @kybrown said:

    I believe he was looking at the 2009 NFL stats for some reason.

    CJ: Rushing Yards: 2006 Receiving yards: 503 Total Yards: 2509

    AP: Rushing Yards: 1383 Receiving yards: 436 Total Yards: 1819

    2509-1819= 690 yds.

    Not quite 700, but close right?

    He had 600 more yards on the ground. You were right with the receiving yards though.

    Also, here are their total fantasy points for 2009 in a PPR league.

    CJ: 360 total

    AP: 292 total

    68 point difference. Accounting for a 16 game schedule, Johnson outscored him by 4.25 points per week.

    So the question is, is TJ Houschmazoadazilla 4.25 points better than your average guy off the wire?

    T.J. was the number 26 receiver in this format. A WR3. He scored 149 points or 9.3125 per week.

    Mario Manningham was number 30. He scored 133 points, or 8.3125 per week.

    Chris Chambers was 40. He scored 118 points or 7.375 per week.

    Giving up T.J. just leaves an open spot on your roster to pick up a young guy getting hot. There's no throwing in anything extra. It all comes down to who is more valuable to you between CJ and AP. TJ's stats were a dime a dozen. Hasslebeck is still in a bad position, I like Forsett but he won't get his shots, and Seattle is still not a good team.

    Forsett is the starter in Seattle and while I agree there are guys that get hot on the wire a lot of those guys are being drafted. I usually like to keep my horse on the good teams. CJ is certainly the focal point of the Titans but he's also going to rely heavily on the consistency or inconsistency of Vince Young. People are going to really key on Johnson as well. The offense in Minnesota even without Sidney Rice is more potent especially with the return of the drama queen. If I had the number one pick in my draft and had to choose I'd be going CJ but he's not heads and shoulders above AD and Housh will get the catches in Seattle. I dunno. It's just not a trade I'd make. And is the guy in question IN a PPR league? He may not be and in standard scoring the difference between the two backs is minimal.

  • @kybrown said:

    I believe he was looking at the 2009 NFL stats for some reason.

    CJ: Rushing Yards: 2006 Receiving yards: 503 Total Yards: 2509

    AP: Rushing Yards: 1383 Receiving yards: 436 Total Yards: 1819

    2509-1819= 690 yds.

    Not quite 700, but close right?

    He had 600 more yards on the ground. You were right with the receiving yards though.

    Also, here are their total fantasy points for 2009 in a PPR league.

    CJ: 360 total

    AP: 292 total

    68 point difference. Accounting for a 16 game schedule, Johnson outscored him by 4.25 points per week.

    So the question is, is TJ Houschmazoadazilla 4.25 points better than your average guy off the wire?

    T.J. was the number 26 receiver in this format. A WR3. He scored 149 points or 9.3125 per week.

    Mario Manningham was number 30. He scored 133 points, or 8.3125 per week.

    Chris Chambers was 40. He scored 118 points or 7.375 per week.

    Giving up T.J. just leaves an open spot on your roster to pick up a young guy getting hot. There's no throwing in anything extra. It all comes down to who is more valuable to you between CJ and AP. TJ's stats were a dime a dozen. Hasslebeck is still in a bad position, I like Forsett but he won't get his shots, and Seattle is still not a good team.

    Forsett is the starter in Seattle and while I agree there are guys that get hot on the wire a lot of those guys are being drafted. I usually like to keep my horse on the good teams. CJ is certainly the focal point of the Titans but he's also going to rely heavily on the consistency or inconsistency of Vince Young. People are going to really key on Johnson as well. The offense in Minnesota even without Sidney Rice is more potent especially with the return of the drama queen. If I had the number one pick in my draft and had to choose I'd be going CJ but he's not heads and shoulders above AD and Housh will get the catches in Seattle. I dunno. It's just not a trade I'd make. And is the guy in question IN a PPR league? He may not be and in standard scoring the difference between the two backs is minimal.

    Homotron said:

    Forsett is the starter in Seattle and while I agree there are guys that get hot on the wire a lot of those guys are being drafted. I usually like to keep my horse on the good teams. CJ is certainly the focal point of the Titans but he's also going to rely heavily on the consistency or inconsistency of Vince Young. People are going to really key on Johnson as well. The offense in Minnesota even without Sidney Rice is more potent especially with the return of the drama queen. If I had the number one pick in my draft and had to choose I'd be going CJ but he's not heads and shoulders above AD and Housh will get the catches in Seattle. I dunno. It's just not a trade I'd make. And is the guy in question IN a PPR league? He may not be and in standard scoring the difference between the two backs is minimal.

    I agree with what you've said here. CJ was approximately 60yds per game better with Vince at the controls I believe though. Does he repeat that? Who knows. I agree Johnson isn't head and shoulders better than Peterson. I like the Vikings, A LOT, don't get me wrong. My argument I guess is whether Housh is worth even considering a week in week out starter. Housh is his best in a PPR league, so, in my opinion, if he were in a different format Housh is even more easiy replaceable. I see both their (AP and CJ) stats returning to nearly even totals. My big problem is with Housh. He was less than two points better per game than Chris f'in Chambers last year, and a mid level WR3. I just don't value Housh, the same way I didn't trust Dwayne Bowe in 09.

    I see the trade as Chris Johnson plus a waiver wire pickup for AP and more or less a waiver wire caliber player. Call me wrong, just my opinion.

  • Zombo said:

    Maddogg is in the meat market!

    We've got four leagues fo 12 ... should be a blast!

    Zombo

    Zombo

    Is there any possible way to get the top 4 teams to play each other for all the glory of TheBrownsBoard?

  • @kybrown said:

    I believe he was looking at the 2009 NFL stats for some reason.

    CJ: Rushing Yards: 2006 Receiving yards: 503 Total Yards: 2509

    AP: Rushing Yards: 1383 Receiving yards: 436 Total Yards: 1819

    2509-1819= 690 yds.

    Not quite 700, but close right?

    He had 600 more yards on the ground. You were right with the receiving yards though.

    Also, here are their total fantasy points for 2009 in a PPR league.

    CJ: 360 total

    AP: 292 total

    68 point difference. Accounting for a 16 game schedule, Johnson outscored him by 4.25 points per week.

    So the question is, is TJ Houschmazoadazilla 4.25 points better than your average guy off the wire?

    T.J. was the number 26 receiver in this format. A WR3. He scored 149 points or 9.3125 per week.

    Mario Manningham was number 30. He scored 133 points, or 8.3125 per week.

    Chris Chambers was 40. He scored 118 points or 7.375 per week.

    Giving up T.J. just leaves an open spot on your roster to pick up a young guy getting hot. There's no throwing in anything extra. It all comes down to who is more valuable to you between CJ and AP. TJ's stats were a dime a dozen. Hasslebeck is still in a bad position, I like Forsett but he won't get his shots, and Seattle is still not a good team.

    Forsett is the starter in Seattle and while I agree there are guys that get hot on the wire a lot of those guys are being drafted. I usually like to keep my horse on the good teams. CJ is certainly the focal point of the Titans but he's also going to rely heavily on the consistency or inconsistency of Vince Young. People are going to really key on Johnson as well. The offense in Minnesota even without Sidney Rice is more potent especially with the return of the drama queen. If I had the number one pick in my draft and had to choose I'd be going CJ but he's not heads and shoulders above AD and Housh will get the catches in Seattle. I dunno. It's just not a trade I'd make. And is the guy in question IN a PPR league? He may not be and in standard scoring the difference between the two backs is minimal.

    Homotron said:

    Forsett is the starter in Seattle and while I agree there are guys that get hot on the wire a lot of those guys are being drafted. I usually like to keep my horse on the good teams. CJ is certainly the focal point of the Titans but he's also going to rely heavily on the consistency or inconsistency of Vince Young. People are going to really key on Johnson as well. The offense in Minnesota even without Sidney Rice is more potent especially with the return of the drama queen. If I had the number one pick in my draft and had to choose I'd be going CJ but he's not heads and shoulders above AD and Housh will get the catches in Seattle. I dunno. It's just not a trade I'd make. And is the guy in question IN a PPR league? He may not be and in standard scoring the difference between the two backs is minimal.

    Teams keyed on CJ heavily last year ... especially before VY emerged as an actual threat and he still put up eye boggling numbers. Peterson is great don't get me wrong, but in my opinion CJ is the most explosive player in the league in a long time. The kid is BONKERS. I would take him hands down over peterson and to give up a guy like housh to me is a no brainer. Every year undrafted guys emerge. Miles austin went undrafted in most leagues and finished well into the top 10 last year.

    You are really discounting the other offensive weapons on the Titans ... VY is coming into his own, Britt is a young talented WR, Scafie is a nice TE and Cook is a young TE with some nice potential, Nate Wash is a steady WR, and Damien Williams from USC is looking decent. Its not like they are absolutely terrible here. Plus not saying it would happen, but who knows if Gerhardt ends up stealing some goaline carries from AP .... no one is stealing anything from CJ

  • Deep league. 16 teams.

    QB - Aaron Rodgers

    WR - Brandon Marshall

    WR - Chad Ochocinco

    WR - Braylon Edwards

    RB - Ryan Grant

    RB - Beanie Wells

    TE - Vernon Davis

    W/R/T - Spot up for grabs.

    Defense - Packers

    Bench:

    David Gerrard

    Harrison

    MoMass

    Golden Tate

    Anthony Gonzalez

    LT