You brahs aware the Bucs are gonna stomp that ass out on Sunday?
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Jake freaking Delhomme. And gave away Anderson, and Quinn. It's okay Browns fans, I feel for you. We USED to make crappy moves all the time, misevaluate and never develop players, too. We let Steve Young go for a few bucks. We almost share a kindred spirit in that regard. I'm so glad we are turning the corner, and not stuck with Jake freaking Delhomme.
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Nice attempt though buddy.
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Nice attempt though buddy.
Best part is, he's right.
(and probably better than what you will have on the field).
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I dunno. I'll check on that for you. Here's a stat you will love. K2 had 77 receptions last year. He had MORE than your TOP TWO receivers COMBINED. And his 5 TD's? Yup, you guessed it, just as many as your top-2 receivers. And you got rid of Brady Quinn, and Derrick Anderson for..............Jake freaking Delhomme!!!!
LMAO!!!!
The point is, Delhomme IS an upgrade from those two. No one is claiming he is the reincarnation of Otto Graham, but he is better than what we had. (and probably better than what you will have on the field)
The decision to bring him in and have him take over was made by Mr. Mike Holmgren, who knows a thing or two about QBs having coached Montana, Young, Favre, Hasselbeck etc.
The decision to bring him in and have him take over was made by Mr. Mike Holmgren.
Is that the same Holmgren that has 12 LB's and 3 CB's on the roster? LOL.
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If you think Delhomme is an upgrade over Anderson and Quinn................maybe it's just something in the water in CLE. I had a girlfriend from CLE once and she was definetly not "right".
Look, this shows that you clearly have no clue about the Browns QB situation last year. It was disastrous. The Browns couldn't move the ball.
Yes, Delhomme IS an upgrade over Anderson and Quinn....and you probably won't find a single Browns fan, Browns player, Browns front office person, or NFL front office person that wouldn't agree with that.
Again, no one is saying Delhomme is Brady or Manning...but IS better than what we had.
Look, this shows that you clearly have no clue about the Browns QB situation last year. It was disastrous. The Browns couldn't move the ball.
Yes, Delhomme IS an upgrade over Anderson and Quinn....and you probably won't find a single Browns fan, Browns player, Browns front office person, or NFL front office person that wouldn't agree with that.
Again, no one is saying Delhomme is Brady or Manning...but IS better than what we had
.I don't doubt that you believe that. I can relate. Like I said, we all thought Steve Young was a bust in TB. In retrospect, it is just difficult to evaluate a player on a team that totally sucks. Maybe Anderson or Quinn would have been better if they had a real target to throw to? WR's who get open are great to have. You didn't. Ever think of THAT?
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The point is, Delhomme IS an upgrade from those two. No one is claiming he is the reincarnation of Otto Graham, but he is better than what we had. (and probably better than what you will have on the field)
The decision to bring him in and have him take over was made by Mr. Mike Holmgren, who knows a thing or two about QBs having coached Montana, Young, Favre, Hasselbeck etc
.You hope he is, anyway. Honestly, the only way Delhomme beat us the last few years was by handing the ball off. If CLE can run the ball at will you will win. If Jake starts flinging the ball around, it's over. Just look up his regular season stats from last few years. (pre-season means nothing)
You hope he is, anyway. Honestly, the only way Delhomme beat us the last few years was by handing the ball off. If CLE can run the ball at will you will win. If Jake starts flinging the ball around, it's over. Just look up his regular season stats from last few years. (pre-season means nothing)
What we can tell from preseason is that Jake had confidence in throwing the ball and in leading the offense. Last year neither of the guys we had could do either.
If Jake starts flinging the ball around, one of 3 things will happen: he will complete his passes (he was at like 80% in preseason...but yea, that's preseason), the ball will be off target and incomplete, or it will be intercepted. If he throws too many Ints. then he will be pulled and Seneca Wallace will be inserted. So, nothing will be "over", just revised.
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Look, this shows that you clearly have no clue about the Browns QB situation last year. It was disastrous. The Browns couldn't move the ball.
Yes, Delhomme IS an upgrade over Anderson and Quinn....and you probably won't find a single Browns fan, Browns player, Browns front office person, or NFL front office person that wouldn't agree with that.
Again, no one is saying Delhomme is Brady or Manning...but IS better than what we had
.I don't doubt that you believe that. I can relate. Like I said, we all thought Steve Young was a bust in TB. In retrospect, it is just difficult to evaluate a player on a team that totally sucks. Maybe Anderson or Quinn would have been better if they had a real target to throw to? WR's who get open are great to have. You didn't. Ever think of THAT?
I don't doubt that you believe that. I can relate. Like I said, we all thought Steve Young was a bust in TB. In retrospect, it is just difficult to evaluate a player on a team that totally sucks. Maybe Anderson or Quinn would have been better if they had a real target to throw to? WR's who get open are great to have. You didn't. Ever think of THAT?
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The decision to bring him in and have him take over was made by Mr. Mike Holmgren.
Is that the same Holmgren that has 12 LB's and 3 CB's on the roster? LOL.
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It's 11 and 4...Ketchup baby tomato.
Oh, that's right. You cut a 2009 2nd round LB(ouch) and picked up one of our scrub CB's that couldn't make it on our team. Thanks for reminding me.
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Look, this shows that you clearly have no clue about the Browns QB situation last year. It was disastrous. The Browns couldn't move the ball.
Yes, Delhomme IS an upgrade over Anderson and Quinn....and you probably won't find a single Browns fan, Browns player, Browns front office person, or NFL front office person that wouldn't agree with that.
Again, no one is saying Delhomme is Brady or Manning...but IS better than what we had
.I don't doubt that you believe that. I can relate. Like I said, we all thought Steve Young was a bust in TB. In retrospect, it is just difficult to evaluate a player on a team that totally sucks. Maybe Anderson or Quinn would have been better if they had a real target to throw to? WR's who get open are great to have. You didn't. Ever think of THAT?
I don't doubt that you believe that. I can relate. Like I said, we all thought Steve Young was a bust in TB. In retrospect, it is just difficult to evaluate a player on a team that totally sucks. Maybe Anderson or Quinn would have been better if they had a real target to throw to? WR's who get open are great to have. You didn't. Ever think of THAT?
Of course I f**cking believe it. I wouldn't have said it if I didn't believe it. Moreover, Mike Holmgren, Tom Heckert and Eric Mangini believe it.
And of course I f**cking thought about the receiver issue. Here was the problem with Quinn and Anderson: despite the untested nature of the receivers they were throwing to, they still could not get the ball to them when they were open. Having better receivers would have only exacerbated the problem of their ineptitude.
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Ohh damn, did I strike a nerve? LOL. I understand your frustration. After all I'm a Bucs fan. But, you still have crappy WR's THIS year.
Didn't Massoquoi lead the NFL in drops? Nothing deflates a QB's confidence like a young WR who never gets open, and when he does, he drops the ball.
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grossi commented on TCD a couple of weeks back about receivers getting open last year but the reality was that there was nobody who could get them the ball. i thought that anderson did alright getting the ball to massaquoi though.
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c-dawg said:
Hey tool.You started this with your 45-0 prediction, idiot.
By the way, did your bicep get that big wacking off?
45-0 was to counter you guys' stupid 70-7 predictions I saw.
In all honesty, I'm expecting something much more realistic... like 68-2 in favor of the Bucs.
I really liked the wacking off line. That was incredibly witty. A real sharp sense of humor you have there.
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It's 11 and 4...Ketchup baby tomato.
Oh, that's right. You cut a 2009 2nd round LB(ouch) and picked up one of our scrub CB's that couldn't make it on our team. Thanks for reminding me.
Oh, that's right. You cut a 2009 2nd round LB(ouch) and picked up one of our scrub CB's that couldn't make it on our team. Thanks for reminding me.
Did he come from the Bucs? I didn't even know that. Nevertheless, don't know what you are complaining about. It evened out that CB/LB ratio you were bitching about.
As for Veikune being a bad pick, yea, OK, obviously. The guy that chose him (Kokinis) is no longer here and was apparently impressed merely by the fact that he went to USC. Better to cut the losses than to live with the mistakes I suppose..
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Cutting the losses is the key to building a good team. One year with a bad draft pick on the roster is one year of wasted development of a young player. GM's are always alot quicker to cut loose of someone else's mistakes than their own, unfortunately.
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Ohh damn, did I strike a nerve? LOL. I understand your frustration. After all I'm a Bucs fan. But, you still have crappy WR's THIS year.
Didn't Massoquoi lead the NFL in drops? Nothing deflates a QB's confidence like a young WR who never gets open, and when he does, he drops the ball.
Ohh damn, did I strike a nerve? LOL. I understand your frustration. After all I'm a Bucs fan. But, you still have crappy WR's THIS year.
Didn't Massoquoi lead the NFL in drops? Nothing deflates a QB's confidence like a young WR who never gets open, and when he does, he drops the ball.
No, no, no. That was the guy they got rid of: Braylon Edwards. It just goes to show you how much this team thought of Edwards that they were willing to ditch his stones of hands and leave the receiving corps in the hands of rookies like MoMass and Robo.
No, you really do have it all bassackwards. It was the confidence of the young WRs that the QBs could not hit when they were open. They are both seemingly doing quite well with Jake throwing to them.
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Cutting the losses is the key to building a good team. One year with a bad draft pick on the roster is one year of wasted development of a young player. GM's are always alot quicker to cut loose of someone else's mistakes than their own, unfortunately.
Cutting the losses is the key to building a good team. One year with a bad draft pick on the roster is one year of wasted development of a young player. GM's are always alot quicker to cut loose of someone else's mistakes than their own, unfortunately.
Well, unfortunatly the Browns have had numerous years where they have had bad high draft picks. No one is even debating that.
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BucsNBiceps said:
Homo erotic?It's a pic of a sketched out bicep. If that offends you, I'd hate to see you at the beach. Not my fault you've never lifted a weight in your life.
And aren't you kind of making my point for me here? You can name most Bucs players... none of us can name any Browns players... pretty much makes my point.
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Looks like a midget arm. You know most of our players. WE HAVE THE BEST PLAYER THAT WILL BE ON THE FIELD SUNDAY IN JOSH CRIBBS, you know the dude who has ran back more kick return tds in his 5 years in the league then your team has as a whole in thier exsistence. Also brahs is not a word. Just curious how many of your guys made the pro bowl last year?
WE HAVE THE BEST PLAYER THAT WILL BE ON THE FIELD SUNDAY IN JOSH CRIBBS
Cool. You have one guy who is the king of the 'kill the carrier' game. Too bad his kickoff return yardage was more than your top-6 receivers combined last year. He's going to need alot of big returns if you plan on winning the game on Sunday. You have a sorry Qb and no WR's.
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WE HAVE THE BEST PLAYER THAT WILL BE ON THE FIELD SUNDAY IN JOSH CRIBBS
Cool. You have one guy who is the king of the 'kill the carrier' game. Too bad his kickoff return yardage was more than your top-6 receivers combined last year. He's going to need alot of big returns if you plan on winning the game on Sunday. You have a sorry Qb and no WR's.
Cool. You have one guy who is the king of the 'kill the carrier' game. Too bad his kickoff return yardage was more than your top-6 receivers combined last year. He's going to need alot of big returns if you plan on winning the game on Sunday. You have a sorry Qb and no WR's.
Well if that's not the pot calling the kettle black...
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WE HAVE THE BEST PLAYER THAT WILL BE ON THE FIELD SUNDAY IN JOSH CRIBBS
Cool. You have one guy who is the king of the 'kill the carrier' game. Too bad his kickoff return yardage was more than your top-6 receivers combined last year. He's going to need alot of big returns if you plan on winning the game on Sunday. You have a sorry Qb and no WR's.
Cool. You have one guy who is the king of the 'kill the carrier' game. Too bad his kickoff return yardage was more than your top-6 receivers combined last year. He's going to need alot of big returns if you plan on winning the game on Sunday. You have a sorry Qb and no WR's.
The best player on the field won't be Josh Cribbs. It will be Joe Thomas. Cribbs might be second best. Aside from that Josh Cribbs HAS made a lot of big returns that HAVE won games for the Browns. And, FYI, Josh Cribbs IS one of those receivers. And FYI, the Browns passing game, being a somewhat modified WCO, is going to rely on passes as much to the backs and to the TEs as to the WRs.
I am not giving away any secrets here when I say that in the passing game your team will need to pay as much attention to Vickers/Hillis/Harrison/Davis out of the backfield and Watson/Moore/Royal at TE....and Josh Cribbs in the slot (and on reverses just to get the ball in his hands) as they will have to worry about MoMass, Robiskie or Stuckey.
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BucsNBiceps said:
You have my respect for being rational.I have not come here to make claims of 16-0 for my Buccaneers.
I have come here to bask in the stench of stupidity from the vast majority of members here. Not one of them have given me a reason to believe the Browns are anything more than the Bucs at this point... but still persist on making ridiculous predictions of scores like 24-6, 70-7 ... so on.. so forth.
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We could go unit by unit and compare these teams:
QB: Delhomme a has been? Maybe. Freeman is a never was and probably never will be.
Running game: Browns were 8th in the league. Harrison and Hillis will roll.
OL: Convince me that the Bucs have anyone as good as Thomas, who is the best in the game, or Steinbach or Mack.
WR/TE: K2 is perhaps functional. Browns TE position is done by committee. WR position probably a wash.
Defense: Ours isn't great, but what do the Bucs have? A worse defense
Special teams: Browns may in fact have the best in the league.
The difference is our OL and special teams...and the belief that the veteran Delhomme will be able to perform better than the unproven QB the Bucs have.
Defense: Maybe equa
We could go unit by unit and compare these teams:
QB: Delhomme a has been? Maybe. Freeman is a never was and probably never will be.
Running game: Browns were 8th in the league. Harrison and Hillis will roll.
OL: Convince me that the Bucs have anyone as good as Thomas, who is the best in the game, or Steinbach or Mack.
WR/TE: K2 is perhaps functional. Browns TE position is done by committee. WR position probably a wash.
Defense: Ours isn't great, but what do the Bucs have? A worse defense
Special teams: Browns may in fact have the best in the league.
The difference is our OL and special teams...and the belief that the veteran Delhomme will be able to perform better than the unproven QB the Bucs have
.Defense: Maybe equa
Listen brosephina, Delhomme got benched for Matt Moore last year. I mean bro, seriously. Matt Moore bro. And he had Steve Smith to work with in Carolina. Freeman is already well ahead of Delhomme(just check last year's stats).
The running game last year took off near the end during your cute little streak near the end, but bro one expects it to stay that way. If Jerbro Harrison was a legitimate starter, he wouldn't have been replaced by Montaribro Hardesty, a rookie. Who's injured, by the way. This one's a tossup.
OL is another tossup. Faine is one of the best centers in the league, Penn is a great bro-lineman, and Vincent will improve things this year as well.
Winsbro is more than functional, he was one of the best TEs in the league last year. And our WRs are clearly better this year with Williams being a strong RotY candidate and Stroughter as a great second option. Please, bro.
The defense is also much better than the Browns. Unlike yours, ours greatly improved once Morris took over as Defensive Brodinator. And that was with the 55 year old Chris Brovan. This year we have McCoy and Price ready to own some bros. And Ronde Brober knows Delhomme like the back of his pimp hand. This one isn't even close, bro.
The Bucs special teams was actually ranked the best last year, statistically. Josh Cribbs is a dudebro, no doubt, but you have to defend special teams too. We were numero bruno on kick return defense last year. Oh, and we're so broverloaded with special teams talent, we just let Clifton Smith go because there wasn't enough room for him.
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