Let The Mike Holmgren Era Officially Begin

[jjbjeff]

@the-gipper said:

Yea, the guy is terrible. He merely took two different franchises to the Super Bowl and He was the mentor for the only coach that took your Bucs to the Super Bowl. He did all that as a GM? That's news to me. (and who, by some accounts could become the Browns next HC if Mangini doesn't work out) What happened to all the Mangina love? Your real question should be "Why ain't he working for us?" More like 'thank God he isn't working for us'

Speaking of which, who DOES run the Bucs? At least we now have a guy that is respected league wide. Mark Dominik is the GM. He has done an amazing job of drafting talented players in his short two years as GM. I could go down the list, but they won't become household names for a few more years.

Your owners are much like ours: too interested in their English futbol team to pay proper attention to their NFL team. No argument there.

That has hurt the Browns over the years and cause organizational instability. Have the Glazer's gotten wise like Lerner and put a football man in charge of operations? Or not?

Mark Dominik has been involved in football operations in Tampa since the mid-90's most recently as director of pro personnel.

[The Gipper]

Yea, the guy is terrible. He merely took two different franchises to the Super Bowl and He was the mentor for the only coach that took your Bucs to the Super Bowl. He did all that as a GM? That's news to me.

Don't play dumb. You know the facts. He took one to the SB as HC of the Packers, and the Seahawks as HC/GM. I think in NFL history only Bill Parcells has had similar accomplishments. (though, I don't think he was ever a HC/GM in either NY or NE, was he?)

(and who, by some accounts could become the Browns next HC if Mangini doesn't work out) What happened to all the Mangina love?

Note the word "IF" in there. IF Mangini can't coach this team to competitiveness, sure, it is possible he could be shown the door. I don't think you can find a single Browns fan that isn't cognizant of that possibility.

Your real question should be "Why ain't he working for us?" More like 'thank God he isn't working for us'

You mean "thank God because he might ruin our franchises loser image"?

Speaking of which, who DOES run the Bucs? At least we now have a guy that is respected league wide. Mark Dominik is the GM. He has done an amazing job of drafting talented players in his short two years as GM. I could go down the list, but they won't become household names for a few more years.

Your owners are much like ours: too interested in their English futbol team to pay proper attention to their NFL team. No argument there.

That has hurt the Browns over the years and cause organizational instability. Have the Glazer's gotten wise like Lerner and put a football man in charge of operations? Or not? Mark Dominik has been involved in football operations in Tampa since the mid-90's most recently as director of pro personne

OK, well we shall see how he does....in any way, it will take a few years.

[jjbjeff]

The difference between Holmgren and Parcells is night and day. Holmgren is a one and done type guy and Parcells is known to build real teams. What has Holmgren done other than two Superbowl appearances? What great teams has he left behind? I thought both stops ended with franchises that were in need of a total rebuild when he left? And you are comparing him to Bill Parcells? I guess it makes sense. You all seem to think Jake Delhomme is the next coming of Joe Freaking Montana. LMAO.

[pizzadeliveryguy]

@jjbjeff said:

What great teams has he left behind? I thought both stops ended with franchises that were in need of a total rebuild when he left?

The Packers went

8-8

9-7

12-4

12-4

10-6

10-6

In the 6 years after Holmgren's departure. I don't think I would call that a rebuild.

[jjbjeff]

@pizzadeliveryguy said:

The Packers went

8-8

9-7

12-4

12-4

10-6

10-6

In the 6 years after Holmgren's departure. I don't think I would call that a rebuild.

I'd call it Brett Favre. He's the only reason Holmgren ever got to the SB in GB to begin with.

[pizzadeliveryguy]

@jjbjeff said:

I'd call it Brett Favre. He's the only reason Holmgren ever got to the SB in GB to begin with.

Nothing like changing strategies when presented with facts.

[Kosar_For_President]

@jjbjeff said:

I'd call it Brett Favre. He's the only reason Holmgren ever got to the SB in GB to begin with.

#1 in defense and #1 in special teams. Desmond Howard (Superbowl MVP), Reggie White (Pro Bowl), Robert Brooks, Keith Jackson (Pro Bowl), Frank Winters (Pro Bowl), LeRoy Butler (Pro Bowl), The Dotsons, Antonio Freeman, Dorsey Levens. Yea they only had Farve.

A 2007 panel of football experts at ESPN ranked the 1996 Packers the 6th-greatest team to ever play in the Super Bowl.

I can't describe how wrong you are. OWNED

Besides the Browns and living in Wisconsin for some time, the Pack is my secondary team.

[Kosar_For_President]

@jjbjeff said:

What has Holmgren done other than two Superbowl appearances?

Isn't that the point to win? We got a smart one here.

[jjbjeff]

@kosar_for_president said:

A 2007 panel of football experts at ESPN ranked the 1996 Packers the 6th-greatest team to ever play in the Super Bowl.

I believe it. Holmgren should have probably won 5 or 6 Superbowls with Green Bay with all the talent the GM brought in for him to coach..

[Kosar_For_President]

@jjbjeff said:

I believe it. Holmgren should have probably won 5 or 6 Superbowls with Green Bay with all the talent the GM brought in for him to coach..

He won a Superbowl you f*cking idiot. Offensive architect of San Francisco's four-time Super Bowl champions. I know you are happy to move from line cook to the drive through window at McDonalds, but normally when someone performs well at their position (like being integral in 5 Superbowl wins) you learn and get promoted. Please put the headphones down and tell your wife (I mean cousin) to take her teeth out, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

[jjbjeff]

@kosar_for_president said:

Why do you put your family portrait up here?

[Kosar_For_President]

@jjbjeff said:

Why do you put your family portrait up here?

Weak.