Daboll and his pathetic playcalling
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a good oc is going to exploit inexperienced players in the opposing team's secondary. but not daoll. daboll makes them feel like hall of famers and let's them build up their confidence till they feel like defensive pro bowlers.
i know it's not the end of the season or the end of the world lol. but this crap has to stop asap. holmgren, please talk to your oc and hc. and feel free to use cuss words.
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Now I don't know if that made Daboll more conservative or not in the second half.
dude, daboll went conservative waaaay before jake's int. he went conservative after the 2nd td. no excuses for the coaching staff. they need to be held accountable to. da and bq aren't here any more. daboll should stop calling plays like a little bitch and show some aggression on offense early and often enough to make the opposing d play honest. the browns predictable play calling on offense after 2 tds early in the game made it easy for the bucs dc to adjust to the browns BEFORE half time. no excuses for daboll and co. they hurt the browns and helped make the bucs job easier.
dude, daboll went conservative waaaay before jake's int. he went conservative after the 2nd td. no excuses for the coaching staff. they need to be held accountable to. da and bq aren't here any more. daboll should stop calling plays like a little bitch and show some aggression on offense early and often enough to make the opposing d play honest. the browns predictable play calling on offense after 2 tds early in the game made it easy for the bucs dc to adjust to the browns BEFORE half time. no excuses for daboll and co. they hurt the browns and helped make the bucs job easier.
SJ,
I disagree with you here. Jake threw the pick in the series RIGHT after Hillis' TD to make it 14-3. And he did so after three consecutive throws to move us near field goal range. There was no conservative play calling in there.
I do agree that the offense buttoned it up in the second half. That's not even arguable. But if you read my previous post I am wondering if the conservative play calling had anything to do with Jake's pick or the apparent toe injury.
And 'peen, c'mon, that pick was the play of the game. Take that one away and it's a Browns victory. Tampa doesn't get to 14 points in the second half.
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dude, daboll went conservative waaaay before jake's int. he went conservative after the 2nd td. no excuses for the coaching staff. they need to be held accountable to. da and bq aren't here any more. daboll should stop calling plays like a little bitch and show some aggression on offense early and often enough to make the opposing d play honest. the browns predictable play calling on offense after 2 tds early in the game made it easy for the bucs dc to adjust to the browns BEFORE half time. no excuses for daboll and co. they hurt the browns and helped make the bucs job easier.
SJ,
I disagree with you here. Jake threw the pick in the series RIGHT after Hillis' TD to make it 14-3. And he did so after three consecutive throws to move us near field goal range. There was no conservative play calling in there.
I do agree that the offense buttoned it up in the second half. That's not even arguable. But if you read my previous post I am wondering if the conservative play calling had anything to do with Jake's pick or the apparent toe injury.
And 'peen, c'mon, that pick was the play of the game. Take that one away and it's a Browns victory. Tampa doesn't get to 14 points in the second half.
SJ,
I disagree with you here. Jake threw the pick in the series RIGHT after Hillis' TD to make it 14-3. And he did so after three consecutive throws to move us near field goal range. There was no conservative play calling in there.
I do agree that the offense buttoned it up in the second half. That's not even arguable. But if you read my previous post I am wondering if the conservative play calling had anything to do with Jake's pick or the apparent toe injury.
And 'peen, c'mon, that pick was the play of the game. Take that one away and it's a Browns victory. Tampa doesn't get to 14 points in the second half.
There is no way to know what would or wouldn't have happened in the 2nd half. And ballpeen is right...no one play determines the outcome of the game unless it is the last play of the game.
It certainly didn't help things, but it wasn't the reason why we lost the game. We lost that game because of turnovers and because we didn't score a point in the last 30 minutes of the game. Hard to win when you take the 2nd half of from scoring.
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dude, daboll went conservative waaaay before jake's int. he went conservative after the 2nd td. no excuses for the coaching staff. they need to be held accountable to. da and bq aren't here any more. daboll should stop calling plays like a little bitch and show some aggression on offense early and often enough to make the opposing d play honest. the browns predictable play calling on offense after 2 tds early in the game made it easy for the bucs dc to adjust to the browns BEFORE half time. no excuses for daboll and co. they hurt the browns and helped make the bucs job easier.
SJ,
I disagree with you here. Jake threw the pick in the series RIGHT after Hillis' TD to make it 14-3. And he did so after three consecutive throws to move us near field goal range. There was no conservative play calling in there.
I do agree that the offense buttoned it up in the second half. That's not even arguable. But if you read my previous post I am wondering if the conservative play calling had anything to do with Jake's pick or the apparent toe injury.
And 'peen, c'mon, that pick was the play of the game. Take that one away and it's a Browns victory. Tampa doesn't get to 14 points in the second half.
SJ,
I disagree with you here. Jake threw the pick in the series RIGHT after Hillis' TD to make it 14-3. And he did so after three consecutive throws to move us near field goal range. There was no conservative play calling in there.
i just skimmed throught the game again to see the browns offense in the first half and the only series they were aggressive on (playcalling wise) was the very first one with the mo mass td pass. the remaining series in the first half (before the jake int.) were conservative, including the series with the 2nd td. so the browns went to a conservative o way before jake threw an int at the end of the 2nd q. i was just saying that i thought the browns should've mixed up the playcalling instead of just playing it safe/playing not to lose (early in the game). jmo.
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SJ,
I disagree with you here. Jake threw the pick in the series RIGHT after Hillis' TD to make it 14-3. And he did so after three consecutive throws to move us near field goal range. There was no conservative play calling in there.
i just skimmed throught the game again to see the browns offense in the first half and the only series they were aggressive on (playcalling wise) was the very first one with the mo mass td pass. the remaining series in the first half (before the jake int.) were conservative, including the series with the 2nd td. so the browns went to a conservative o way before jake threw an int at the end of the 2nd q. i was just saying that i thought the browns should've mixed up the playcalling instead of just playing it safe/playing not to lose (early in the game). jmo.
i just skimmed throught the game again to see the browns offense in the first half and the only series they were aggressive on (playcalling wise) was the very first one with the mo mass td pass. the remaining series in the first half (before the jake int.) were conservative, including the series with the 2nd td. so the browns went to a conservative o way before jake threw an int at the end of the 2nd q. i was just saying i thought the browns should've mixed up the playcalling instead of just playing it safe/playing not to lose. jmo.
Point taken. And I agree.
We really had no field position to work with in the 2nd half, but you know what? You need to make field position by moving the chains and this offense was constantly 3rd and more than 5 in the second half. That was due in large part to running the ball with 8/9 in the box on first down. That's another reason why I thought we needed to mix in Seneca at QB in the second half. TB had no respect for our offense in the second half and rightly so. But there's a difference between being conservative and establishing the running game. I think the Browns were conservative in the second half, but not the first half. TB only started stacking the box consistently in the 2nd half and when you're running at that, that's playing it close to the vest.
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i know the turnovers hurt to. i mentioned that in my op and a few other posts. but good playcalling can set a team up for success and a lack of good placycalling can set a team up for failure. that's why i put alot of blame on the playcalling.
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i just skimmed throught the game again to see the browns offense in the first half and the only series they were aggressive on (playcalling wise) was the very first one with the mo mass td pass. the remaining series in the first half (before the jake int.) were conservative, including the series with the 2nd td. so the browns went to a conservative o way before jake threw an int at the end of the 2nd q. i was just saying i thought the browns should've mixed up the playcalling instead of just playing it safe/playing not to lose. jmo.
Point taken. And I agree.
We really had no field position to work with in the 2nd half, but you know what? You need to make field position by moving the chains and this offense was constantly 3rd and more than 5 in the second half. That was due in large part to running the ball with 8/9 in the box on first down. That's another reason why I thought we needed to mix in Seneca at QB in the second half. TB had no respect for our offense in the second half and rightly so. But there's a difference between being conservative and establishing the running game. I think the Browns were conservative in the second half, but not the first half. TB only started stacking the box consistently in the 2nd half and when you're running at that, that's playing it close to the vest.
Point taken. And I agree.
We really had no field position to work with in the 2nd half, but you know what? You need to make field position by moving the chains and this offense was constantly 3rd and more than 5 in the second half. That was due in large part to running the ball with 8/9 in the box on first down. That's another reason why I thought we needed to mix in Seneca at QB in the second half. TB had no respect for our offense in the second half and rightly so. But there's a difference between being conservative and establishing the running game. I think the Browns were conservative in the second half, but not the first half. TB only started stacking the box consistently in the 2nd half and when you're running at that, that's playing it close to the vest.
we agree on most points and disagree on maybe one or two and that's cool. i respect your opinion and i think that's like wise. you made some great points to. i agree that they started stacking the box on the browns in the second half. they went into the locker room at half time and probably said if the browns aren't going to throw downfield, we're going to adjust to that. unfortunately for us, it worked.
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How exactly is Daboll supposed to stop Jake Delhomme from throwing picks ? No Offensive Co-ordinator can succeed in his playcalling if his QB is throwing risky passes.
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massaqua goes up. splits two defenders and trots in for a td. maybe if we had a qb (when god, please?) that could withstand the heat for a millisecond and find the open receiver we'd have a chance.
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Before we hang DaBoll High and Dry we need to realise that Tampa did have a top notch pass defense last year (top 10 in pass defense).
Our first touchdown pass to Momass could have very easily been picked off. We were saved by the inexperience of the guy on the defensive side. Running was the best option we had and Morris seems to have had a solid draft with the defense. If you take away the interceptions then we could have won even with the "conservative " play calling. This one is more on the players than on Daboll.
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Before we hang DaBoll High and Dry we need to realise that Tampa did have a top notch pass defense last year (top 10 in pass defense).
Our first touchdown pass to Momass could have very easily been picked off. We were saved by the inexperience of the guy on the defensive side. Running was the best option we had and Morris seems to have had a solid draft with the defense. If you take away the interceptions then we could have won even with the "conservative " play calling. This one is more on the players than on Daboll.
Before we hang DaBoll High and Dry we need to realise that Tampa did have a top notch pass defense last year (top 10 in pass defense).
And they were ranked last in run defense as well.
Yet Daboll calls 37 passing plays... many with a hurt QB!
That's Daboll's fault as well.
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Before we hang DaBoll High and Dry we need to realise that Tampa did have a top notch pass defense last year (top 10 in pass defense).
And they were ranked last in run defense as well.
Yet Daboll calls 37 passing plays... many with a hurt QB!
That's Daboll's fault as well.
And they were ranked last in run defense as well.
Yet Daboll calls 37 passing plays... many with a hurt QB!
That's Daboll's fault as well.
Yes, but unfortunately in the draft they picked up Brian Price and Gerald McCoy. Our Running was literally stuffed with us unable to open holes.
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The reason they were able to stack the box is because their pass defense was so good, and our passing offense is anemic still. Without a legitimate deep threat, our offense will struggle all year.
It may actually be worth it to spring for V. Jax. Building a team through the draft is all well and good, but you can't shy away from talent when it's staring you right in the face. That's a need we haven't filled, and the opportunity is there.
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Throw the ball to you wideouts when the box ix being overrun
a. this eleviates the goat cluster in the backfield and
b. allows for some hungry wideout to make a play if he were able to cathch
the ball
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Harrison had 9 carries for 52 yards. (5.8 per carry)
Hillis had 9 carries for 41 yards (4.6 per carry)
Not exactly stifling run defense.
How many times did we run the ball in the second half? Ok, they where stacking the box and stopped us on a 3 and out, guess its time to never run again. Isn't that what we all were bragging about last year? How teams stacked the box and we still ran all over them? What changed? The fact that they drafted two rookie D linemen? Gee, we better not try to run now! Ya Hillis put the ball on the ground twice, so I guess that means we stop running all together. Don't hand it to Harrison and let him do work like he did during our winning streak at the end of the year last year.
Hey, I wonder what would happen if we ripped off a few good runs against a team that was run blitzing us... think we could fake a hand off to the running back and suck up their D and throw the ball wayyyyy down field??? NAH!
Opposing defense getting good QB pressure stacking the box blitzing middle and forcing quick throws to often? Don't have a reciever that can get open and make plays? Maybe someone should explain to our NFL coaches how a flippin' screen pass works.
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How exactly is Daboll supposed to stop Jake Delhomme from throwing picks ? No Offensive Co-ordinator can succeed in his playcalling if his QB is throwing risky passes.
How exactly is Daboll supposed to stop Jake Delhomme from throwing picks ? No Offensive Co-ordinator can succeed in his playcalling if his QB is throwing risky passes.
i said (in my op and a few other posts) jake's int was his own fault and that had nothing to do with daboll. but that still doesn't excuse daboll's pathetic playcalling. i know jr highschool coaches that draw up better plays than he does. daboll's playcalling would've worked well back in the 30s, the 40s and the 50s. but that ancient crap he's calling isn't going to work in 2010.
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