PSA
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People need to take a deep breath and relax. There is no featured back on this team.
Jerome Harrison is not the answer. He is a nice weapon to have but he is not a chain mover. 6 of his 9 runs went for -4,0,1,1,1,2 yards yesterday and people are screaming for him to get more touches. Now I do agree that our RBs in general should have had more carries but in no way should Harrison be the workhorse. On to Hillis. He looked very strong yesterday. But there is the elephant in the room. The 2 fumbles, the second one in my opinion hurt worse than the Delhomme Int.. I'm willing to give him a pass due to not having a history of fumbling problems. Fact is, if he doesn't fumble the second time and the Browns take it in as it looked like they would, Harrison would be an afterthought today.
This is a running back by committee and unless Hillis keeps fumbling he should be getting a few more carries than Harrison. I think in a perfect world the attempts should break down something like Hillis-16 Harrison-12 Cribbs-5
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People need to take a deep breath and relax. There is no featured back on this team.
Jerome Harrison is not the answer. He is a nice weapon to have but he is not a chain mover. 6 of his 9 runs went for -4,0,1,1,1,2 yards yesterday and people are screaming for him to get more touches. Now I do agree that our RBs in general should have had more carries but in no way should Harrison be the workhorse. On to Hillis. He looked very strong yesterday. But there is the elephant in the room. The 2 fumbles, the second one in my opinion hurt worse than the Delhomme Int.. I'm willing to give him a pass due to not having a history of fumbling problems. Fact is, if he doesn't fumble the second time and the Browns take it in as it looked like they would, Harrison would be an afterthought today.
This is a running back by committee and unless Hillis keeps fumbling he should be getting a few more carries than Harrison. I think in a perfect world the attempts should break down something like Hillis-16 Harrison-12 Cribbs-5
People need to take a deep breath and relax. There is no featured back on this team.
Jerome Harrison is not the answer. He is a nice weapon to have but he is not a chain mover. 6 of his 9 runs went for -4,0,1,1,1,2 yards yesterday and people are screaming for him to get more touches. Now I do agree that our RBs in general should have had more carries but in no way should Harrison be the workhorse. On to Hillis. He looked very strong yesterday. But there is the elephant in the room. The 2 fumbles, the second one in my opinion hurt worse than the Delhomme Int.. I'm willing to give him a pass due to not having a history of fumbling problems. Fact is, if he doesn't fumble the second time and the Browns take it in as it looked like they would, Harrison would be an afterthought today.
This is a running back by committee and unless Hillis keeps fumbling he should be getting a few more carries than Harrison. I think in a perfect world the attempts should break down something like Hillis-16 Harrison-12 Cribbs-5
What has Harrison done to not deserve the most carries on the team? How many yards did Hillis have last year? Who carried the browns to 3 straight victories while averaging over 30 carries a game? Harrison average 4.9 YPC for his career. Why does he not get more carries. All he does is have big games every time he starts. Take a look at his game log. This article sums it up nicely.
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People need to take a deep breath and relax. There is no featured back on this team.
Jerome Harrison is not the answer. He is a nice weapon to have but he is not a chain mover. 6 of his 9 runs went for -4,0,1,1,1,2 yards yesterday and people are screaming for him to get more touches. Now I do agree that our RBs in general should have had more carries but in no way should Harrison be the workhorse. On to Hillis. He looked very strong yesterday. But there is the elephant in the room. The 2 fumbles, the second one in my opinion hurt worse than the Delhomme Int.. I'm willing to give him a pass due to not having a history of fumbling problems. Fact is, if he doesn't fumble the second time and the Browns take it in as it looked like they would, Harrison would be an afterthought today.
This is a running back by committee and unless Hillis keeps fumbling he should be getting a few more carries than Harrison. I think in a perfect world the attempts should break down something like Hillis-16 Harrison-12 Cribbs-5
What has Harrison done to not deserve the most carries on the team? How many yards did Hillis have last year? Who carried the browns to 3 straight victories while averaging over 30 carries a game? Harrison average 4.9 YPC for his career. Why does he not get more carries. All he does is have big games every time he starts. Take a look at his game log. This article sums it up nicely.
What has Harrison done to not deserve the most carries on the team? How many yards did Hillis have last year? Who carried the browns to 3 straight victories while averaging over 30 carries a game? Harrison average 4.9 YPC for his career. Why does he not get more carries. All he does is have big games every time he starts. Take a look at his game log. This article sums it up nicely.
Think about this. In 2 of the 3 games that you are using as your examples he averaged 3.79 and 3.85. That is not good. Using his career YPC isn't a very good strategy either. A lot of those yards were in garbage time or as a 3rd down back and are inflated. Take a look at the numbers of players like K. Faulk or Sproles to see what happens when an ill equipped RB tries to carry the load. Their YPC goes from mid 5s to mid 3s.
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What has Harrison done to not deserve the most carries on the team? How many yards did Hillis have last year? Who carried the browns to 3 straight victories while averaging over 30 carries a game? Harrison average 4.9 YPC for his career. Why does he not get more carries. All he does is have big games every time he starts. Take a look at his game log. This article sums it up nicely.
Think about this. In 2 of the 3 games that you are using as your examples he averaged 3.79 and 3.85. That is not good. Using his career YPC isn't a very good strategy either. A lot of those yards were in garbage time or as a 3rd down back and are inflated. Take a look at the numbers of players like K. Faulk or Sproles to see what happens when an ill equipped RB tries to carry the load. Their YPC goes from mid 5s to mid 3s.
Think about this. In 2 of the 3 games that you are using as your examples he averaged 3.79 and 3.85. That is not good. Using his career YPC isn't a very good strategy either. A lot of those yards were in garbage time or as a 3rd down back and are inflated. Take a look at the numbers of players like K. Faulk or Sproles to see what happens when an ill equipped RB tries to carry the load. Their YPC goes from mid 5s to mid 3s.
All those games were wins buddy. Plus we had absolutely no passing game to speak of. Yet he helped us win those games. He is not Sproles or K. Faulk. He can carry the load. Hillis is the guy who is a gimmick.
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Think about this. In 2 of the 3 games that you are using as your examples he averaged 3.79 and 3.85. That is not good. Using his career YPC isn't a very good strategy either. A lot of those yards were in garbage time or as a 3rd down back and are inflated. Take a look at the numbers of players like K. Faulk or Sproles to see what happens when an ill equipped RB tries to carry the load. Their YPC goes from mid 5s to mid 3s.
All those games were wins buddy. Plus we had absolutely no passing game to speak of. Yet he helped us win those games. He is not Sproles or K. Faulk. He can carry the load. Hillis is the guy who is a gimmick.
Hillis is the guy who is a gimmick.
How so?
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We are RB by daboll/mangini committee whichever ones they feel help the team the most in certain situations...but its obvious mangini dislikes jerome for some reason and you can see it in both their eyes and actions toward each other, harrison looks like an angry orphan and mangini looks like his abusive overlord, mangini is weird like that and we need a better coach not so much better talent..
Dont bite the lies and deceit as this season not so slowly reveals the truth....
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We are RB by daboll/mangini committee whichever ones they feel help the team the most in certain situations...but its obvious mangini dislikes jerome for some reason and you can see it in both their eyes and actions toward each other, harrison looks like an angry orphan and mangini looks like his abusive overlord, mangini is weird like that and we need a better coach not so much better talent..
Dont bite the lies and deceit as this season not so slowly reveals the truth....
We are RB by daboll/mangini committee whichever ones they feel help the team the most in certain situations...but its obvious mangini dislikes jerome for some reason and you can see it in both their eyes and actions toward each other, harrison looks like an angry orphan and mangini looks like is abusive overlord, mangini is weird like that and we need a better coach not so much better talent..
Dont bite the lies and deceit as this season not so slowly reveals the truth....
Sounds like you are posting with an agenda. I love how people are already willing to ditch Mangini and Delhomme. It is like most Browns fans are addicted to instability. Let's try another coach, that way we can get rid of him sometime next year and move on to the next coach.
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Hillis is the guy who is a gimmick.
How so?
How so?
Hillis never produced the numbers Harrison produced in college. Harrison in 3 games last year had more carries that Hillis has had his entire career. I am much more comfortable having Harrison as the feature back. He is more proven and should be getting more carries. Plus Harrison does not have a fumble problem.
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How so?
Hillis never produced the numbers Harrison produced in college. Harrison in 3 games last year had more carries that Hillis has had his entire career. I am much more comfortable having Harrison as the feature back. He is more proven and should be getting more carries. Plus Harrison does not have a fumble problem.
I am much more comfortable having Harrison as the feature back.
Here is your problem. You are trying to find a feature back out of these options. It isn't possible. It is a RBBC pure and simple.
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In all honesty, I dont think we are utilizing Harrison the right way. He needs screens, and tosses to go outside the tackles. Otherwise the OL has to make a hole. He is just to good in space to not try to get it to him in space.
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This is the most ridiculous argument ever.
We clearly have the RBBC personnel. Some days Harrison will get the rock 25, 30 times a game. Other times he might never really see the field. It's all about matchups. A big physical runningback is going to beat a speed defense nine times out of ten, and a speedy back will beat a bulky defense just as many times.
Tampa Bay had an extremely fast defense with tremendous lateral speed. Harrison would have been stuffed more often than not around the edges. The only way to beat a fast defense is to run right up the gut, and that's what Hillis is for.
The playcalling was good, the gameplan was fine. We just needed to work out the kinks.
Harrison is NOT a feature back, no matter how much of a homer you are for him. I'm the biggest James Davis homer on this board, but I know he's better in a 2 back system than as an everydown back. Just accept it, and stop trying to push your boy in detriment to the good of the team. I believe Mangini and co. know a little more about the personnel decisions than you do, whether you want to think so or not.
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This is the most ridiculous argument ever.
We clearly have the RBBC personnel. Some days Harrison will get the rock 25, 30 times a game. Other times he might never really see the field. It's all about matchups. A big physical runningback is going to beat a speed defense nine times out of ten, and a speedy back will beat a bulky defense just as many times.
Tampa Bay had an extremely fast defense with tremendous lateral speed. Harrison would have been stuffed more often than not around the edges. The only way to beat a fast defense is to run right up the gut, and that's what Hillis is for.
The playcalling was good, the gameplan was fine. We just needed to work out the kinks.
Harrison is NOT a feature back, no matter how much of a homer you are for him. I'm the biggest James Davis homer on this board, but I know he's better in a 2 back system than as an everydown back. Just accept it, and stop trying to push your boy in detriment to the good of the team. I believe Mangini and co. know a little more about the personnel decisions than you do, whether you want to think so or not.
This is the most ridiculous argument ever.
We clearly have the RBBC personnel. Some days Harrison will get the rock 25, 30 times a game. Other times he might never really see the field. It's all about matchups. A big physical runningback is going to beat a speed defense nine times out of ten, and a speedy back will beat a bulky defense just as many times.
Tampa Bay had an extremely fast defense with tremendous lateral speed. Harrison would have been stuffed more often than not around the edges. The only way to beat a fast defense is to run right up the gut, and that's what Hillis is for.
The playcalling was good, the gameplan was fine. We just needed to work out the kinks.
Harrison is NOT a feature back, no matter how much of a homer you are for him. I'm the biggest James Davis homer on this board, but I know he's better in a 2 back system than as an everydown back. Just accept it, and stop trying to push your boy in detriment to the good of the team. I believe Mangini and co. know a little more about the personnel decisions than you do, whether you want to think so or not.
Our most effective running was done last year when we gave Harrison 20+ carries. The results do not lie. You cant expect a 40 yard gain on every play, but you have to get him his carries. Plus he didn't fumble the ball twice on 9 carries. That is unacceptable. And I'm willing to bet i do know more than Mangini about personnel decisions. Football is not rocket science, basic engineering or even chess. It is not that difficult to understand, and you do not need special intelligence or a university degree to coach football.
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This is the most ridiculous argument ever.
We clearly have the RBBC personnel. Some days Harrison will get the rock 25, 30 times a game. Other times he might never really see the field. It's all about matchups. A big physical runningback is going to beat a speed defense nine times out of ten, and a speedy back will beat a bulky defense just as many times.
Tampa Bay had an extremely fast defense with tremendous lateral speed. Harrison would have been stuffed more often than not around the edges. The only way to beat a fast defense is to run right up the gut, and that's what Hillis is for.
The playcalling was good, the gameplan was fine. We just needed to work out the kinks.
Harrison is NOT a feature back, no matter how much of a homer you are for him. I'm the biggest James Davis homer on this board, but I know he's better in a 2 back system than as an everydown back. Just accept it, and stop trying to push your boy in detriment to the good of the team. I believe Mangini and co. know a little more about the personnel decisions than you do, whether you want to think so or not.
This is the most ridiculous argument ever.
We clearly have the RBBC personnel. Some days Harrison will get the rock 25, 30 times a game. Other times he might never really see the field. It's all about matchups. A big physical runningback is going to beat a speed defense nine times out of ten, and a speedy back will beat a bulky defense just as many times.
Tampa Bay had an extremely fast defense with tremendous lateral speed. Harrison would have been stuffed more often than not around the edges. The only way to beat a fast defense is to run right up the gut, and that's what Hillis is for.
The playcalling was good, the gameplan was fine. We just needed to work out the kinks.
Yup, Tampa didn't beat the Browns yesterday, the Browns beat themselves. Error free game and Cleveland wins that game going away.
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How so?
Hillis never produced the numbers Harrison produced in college. Harrison in 3 games last year had more carries that Hillis has had his entire career. I am much more comfortable having Harrison as the feature back. He is more proven and should be getting more carries. Plus Harrison does not have a fumble problem.
Hillis never produced the numbers Harrison produced in college.
Also, Hillis was on the same team With Felix Jones and Darren McFadden for Christ's sake.
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isn't hillis a FB? why isn't he blowing up holes for harrison? if you want power running have more than 2 backs in the backfield. did davis even get a touch yesterday?
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This is the most ridiculous argument ever.
We clearly have the RBBC personnel. Some days Harrison will get the rock 25, 30 times a game. Other times he might never really see the field. It's all about matchups. A big physical runningback is going to beat a speed defense nine times out of ten, and a speedy back will beat a bulky defense just as many times.
Tampa Bay had an extremely fast defense with tremendous lateral speed. Harrison would have been stuffed more often than not around the edges. The only way to beat a fast defense is to run right up the gut, and that's what Hillis is for.
The playcalling was good, the gameplan was fine. We just needed to work out the kinks.
Harrison is NOT a feature back, no matter how much of a homer you are for him. I'm the biggest James Davis homer on this board, but I know he's better in a 2 back system than as an everydown back. Just accept it, and stop trying to push your boy in detriment to the good of the team. I believe Mangini and co. know a little more about the personnel decisions than you do, whether you want to think so or not.
Our most effective running was done last year when we gave Harrison 20+ carries. The results do not lie. You cant expect a 40 yard gain on every play, but you have to get him his carries. Plus he didn't fumble the ball twice on 9 carries. That is unacceptable. And I'm willing to bet i do know more than Mangini about personnel decisions. Football is not rocket science, basic engineering or even chess. It is not that difficult to understand, and you do not need special intelligence or a university degree to coach football.
Our most effective running was done last year when we gave Harrison 20+ carries. The results do not lie. You cant expect a 40 yard gain on every play, but you have to get him his carries. Plus he didn't fumble the ball twice on 9 carries. That is unacceptable. And I'm willing to bet i do know more than Mangini about personnel decisions. Football is not rocket science, basic engineering or even chess. It is not that difficult to understand, and you do not need special intelligence or a university degree to coach football.
Yes, that was our most effective running. And once again, that running was against Jacksonville, Oakland, and Kansas City. Those teams finished 19th, 28th, and 31st in rush defense in the league, respectively.
And don't flatter yourself. People are so quick to belittle Mangini, but he's an NFL head coach. He's making six figures on Sundays, and you're stuck at home bitching about him online. If you honestly believe you can do better, then by all means go up to Berea and sit in on a practice. Offer your two cents.
There are millions of men in America who think they can coach better than the pros. They're called armchair quarterbacks, and you're just one of them.
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isn't hillis a FB? why isn't he blowing up holes for harrison? if you want power running have more than 2 backs in the backfield. did davis even get a touch yesterday?
isn't hillis a FB? why isn't he blowing up holes for harrison? if you want power running have more than 2 backs in the backfield. did davis even get a touch yesterday?
Lawrence Vickers is the best FB in the game. Hillis won't start over him.
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Lawrence Vickers is the best FB in the game. Hillis won't start over him.
did they play him?
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Lawrence Vickers is the best FB in the game. Hillis won't start over him.
did they play him?
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Tim Couch Pulls Out deserves a special thanks for his comments on this thread. Thank you, Tim.
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