What's bad and reasons for optimism.
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I was at the game tonight and I saw that Jake was taking a lot of chances. But I think he had to because our receivers could not break away or get separation. Mo Mass was wide open for his touchdown, but that was because of a blown coverage by the Bucs. No receiver had that break away speed. It seemed everyone was covered the whole game.
Jake made a huge mistake in throwing the ball we were up 14 - 3. He should have just taken the sack. With his age and experience, he should have known not to throw that ball. He looked great in preseason, but not so good today. I still believe he's better than what we had last year.
Hillis is appearing to be a fumbler. But he had 4.5 yards per carry at 9 att 41 yards, but fumbled twice. Once when inside the red zone! Harrison did well having 5.8 yards per carry. We should have used Harrison more effectively if he's producing like that.
Cribbs had one nice throw to Wallace while in the WildDawg. I thought we should have continued the formation and let him throw again.
Where were the screens or play actions? I could be wrong since I was experiencing heat stroke in the stadium, but was there much if any of those plays called? The play calling on offense definitely leveled out once we had 14 points on the board.
I believe it was the sloppy play and turn overs that caused us to lose. We lost and a loss is a Loss. BUT I believe we lost the game more than the Bucs won the game. If we don't make the turn overs, we should have won that. We have to stop losing the turn over battle.
Evan Moore continues to impress. He made a very acrobatic catch and appears to be the real deal. He may be our best receiver. He's a huge target, has great hands, and can break tackles. He took a big hit after he tipped himself the ball to catch it mid air. But he showed toughness.
TJ Ward is thus far, a great pick. 7 Tackles, 3 assists. Dude was all over the field and if he can keep it up, he could be defensive rookie of the year.
The defense overall played really well. They played well and I was happy overall.
Overall, I dont think we need to be calling for Coaches or Players heads. Let's just give it some time and hope Holmgren or Haskell can give Daboll some tips.
GO BROWNS!!!
I believe it was the sloppy play and turn overs that caused us to lose. We lost and a loss is a Loss. BUT I believe we lost the game more than the Bucs won the game. If we don't make the turn overs, we should have won that. We have to stop losing the turn over battle.
There's a real logic bomb for you.
So, Graham's fumble on the 2 or Freeman's pick don't count? How about when Freeman overthrew a wide open Mike Williams on the 6? How about on 4th and short our QB eats the ball with a wide open TE in the end zone?
More excuses from Brownsville.
Fact is, we got to Delhome, stopped a good rushing game in the 2nd half and had two very good touchdown catches. That's why you lost.
Deal with it.
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I believe it was the sloppy play and turn overs that caused us to lose. We lost and a loss is a Loss. BUT I believe we lost the game more than the Bucs won the game. If we don't make the turn overs, we should have won that. We have to stop losing the turn over battle.
There's a real logic bomb for you.
So, Graham's fumble on the 2 or Freeman's pick don't count? How about when Freeman overthrew a wide open Mike Williams on the 6? How about on 4th and short our QB eats the ball with a wide open TE in the end zone?
More excuses from Brownsville.
Fact is, we got to Delhome, stopped a good rushing game in the 2nd half and had two very good touchdown catches. That's why you lost.
Deal with it.
There's a real logic bomb for you.
So, Graham's fumble on the 2 or Freeman's pick don't count? How about when Freeman overthrew a wide open Mike Williams on the 6? How about on 4th and short our QB eats the ball with a wide open TE in the end zone?
More excuses from Brownsville.
Fact is, we got to Delhome, stopped a good rushing game in the 2nd half and had two very good touchdown catches. That's why you lost.
Deal with it.
The worst thing either team (or their fans) can do from this game is base the rest of the season on it.
The Browns could have seized control by pounding the run game down Tampa's throat when they had the 14-3 lead, but they didn't and Delhomme threw a stupid INT.
His second INT only came when he was throwing desperation passes to our VERY poor WRs. Bottom line is that week 1 is really the 5th week of pre-season and that is evident by looking at the mistakes made by Dallas (holding on the game winning TD - I would have slit my wrists if I were a Boys fan), Minnesota's playcalling was worse than Cleveland's in their loss to the Saints and pretty much EVERY other game.
It was an incredibly sloppy week around the league and it will get worse tonight.
Next week the Browns will be a little closer to game speed and HOPEFULLY they will learn how to run a solid offense because the defense is really trying to do it all by themself.
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The defense was the bright spot, they kept us in the game as best they could...but dabolls predictability and repetitive playcalling was gutwrenching to the point of almost making my liquor come up...
Optimism at this point has to be earned as im finding my way back onto the daboll hate wagon...no more maybe next game, maybe next year crap i need to see at least some improvement in progressive non play to lose offensive philosophy now...RAC is going to rip dabolls ass so far open that he could walk through it and our only chance is if ryan can make a fatter track through weis.
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I believe it was the sloppy play and turn overs that caused us to lose. We lost and a loss is a Loss. BUT I believe we lost the game more than the Bucs won the game. If we don't make the turn overs, we should have won that. We have to stop losing the turn over battle.
There's a real logic bomb for you.
So, Graham's fumble on the 2 or Freeman's pick don't count? How about when Freeman overthrew a wide open Mike Williams on the 6? How about on 4th and short our QB eats the ball with a wide open TE in the end zone?
More excuses from Brownsville.
Fact is, we got to Delhome, stopped a good rushing game in the 2nd half and had two very good touchdown catches. That's why you lost.
Deal with it.
There's a real logic bomb for you.
So, Graham's fumble on the 2 or Freeman's pick don't count? How about when Freeman overthrew a wide open Mike Williams on the 6? How about on 4th and short our QB eats the ball with a wide open TE in the end zone?
More excuses from Brownsville.
Fact is, we got to Delhome, stopped a good rushing game in the 2nd half and had two very good touchdown catches. That's why you lost.
Deal with it.
Thanks. I wasn't able to "deal with it" until you put it like that. I thought my life was over and everything was in the shitter. Now I have brighter days and I think i'll be able to go on with my life.
Please re-read where i said a loss is a loss. No excuses, we lost. I'm still sticking to what i said. If you don't like it, f*ck off. This the Browns board. No one values your opinion here.
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After "cooling off", I can see more clearly now & there is a great deal to look forward to:
Ward & Haden are studs..I was elated with those picks & nothing will change my mind.
I still like Hillis...The kid says he has to correct the fumbling, & I believe he will.
Moore is a SPECIAL receiver. He is FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS!
The other receivers will be fine, but the lack of experience, ie not coming back for the ball, etc hurts us now. They'll be ok.
We made plenty of mistakes, the 2 most glaring were Jake's AWFUL decision to throw that ball late in the 1st half, & Barton's not even ATTEMPTING to advance that fumble recovery.
Bottom line is that I have repeatedly said that, win or lose, I wanted to see improvement over last year & we DID see that.
Mike
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I believe it was the sloppy play and turn overs that caused us to lose. We lost and a loss is a Loss. BUT I believe we lost the game more than the Bucs won the game. If we don't make the turn overs, we should have won that. We have to stop losing the turn over battle.
There's a real logic bomb for you.
So, Graham's fumble on the 2 or Freeman's pick don't count? How about when Freeman overthrew a wide open Mike Williams on the 6? How about on 4th and short our QB eats the ball with a wide open TE in the end zone?
More excuses from Brownsville.
Fact is, we got to Delhome, stopped a good rushing game in the 2nd half and had two very good touchdown catches. That's why you lost.
Deal with it.
Fact is, we got to Delhome, stopped a good rushing game in the 2nd half and had two very good touchdown catches. That's why you lost.
Deal with it.
I'll give you one real good td pass and catch on the one that won the game...ball was perfectly thrown because the coverage wasn't that bad. The first TD pass though was very fortunate for Tampa since the ball went right through Sheldon Browns hands and more often than not that ball gets picked off butit worked out for you guys this time.
You are correct though...our running game was stopped in the 2nd half and we couldn't adjust to that and that is why we lost. We didn't score in the 2nd half and you aren't going to win many games that way.
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I still believe, if we scored at least 3 on that drive that delhomme throws the int, we would have won. The Bucs and their 100 fans in the stadium were deflated until that int. It totally changed the momentum.
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I believe it was the sloppy play and turn overs that caused us to lose. We lost and a loss is a Loss. BUT I believe we lost the game more than the Bucs won the game. If we don't make the turn overs, we should have won that. We have to stop losing the turn over battle.
There's a real logic bomb for you.
So, Graham's fumble on the 2 or Freeman's pick don't count? How about when Freeman overthrew a wide open Mike Williams on the 6? How about on 4th and short our QB eats the ball with a wide open TE in the end zone?
More excuses from Brownsville.
Fact is, we got to Delhome, stopped a good rushing game in the 2nd half and had two very good touchdown catches. That's why you lost.
Deal with it.
There's a real logic bomb for you.
So, Graham's fumble on the 2 or Freeman's pick don't count? How about when Freeman overthrew a wide open Mike Williams on the 6? How about on 4th and short our QB eats the ball with a wide open TE in the end zone?
More excuses from Brownsville.
Fact is, we got to Delhome, stopped a good rushing game in the 2nd half and had two very good touchdown catches. That's why you lost.
Deal with it.
i didn't check to see if anyone else covered this but:
1) our defense caused the pick(TJ Ward delivers blow)
2) Yeah he overthrew him, but you guys scored on the next play.
3) Fumble on 2 would've been a gift if we had a pee-wee caliber linebacker pick the ball up and run to get us out of there.
4) He didnt want to risk throwing that, or obviously he would have because we all know he saw the TE.
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Yes, we can credit the Bucs and/or blame the players for their mistakes, but I'm more upset at the coaches for this one. First, Jake shouldn't have been passing at all with a 14-3 lead, in scoring position and two minutes on the clock before half-time in an away-game. Smash mouth football and then take the field goal for a 17-3 half time lead. Second, the playcalling was awful after the second-half fumble. No play action, no outside run, no screens, no creativity. Result: Predicable plays and a shut-down by the Bucs. If our team is not moving downfield with an limping QB - take him the @#$* out and give the back-up Wallace a series. See what happens. And playing Hillis instead of Harrison is just stupid game-planning. Harrision should have had more carries - he can break one for a TD on any play.
The only disagreement I have with the board is with the Buc's fumble and the lineman just falling on it. The linemen players are trained to go down and secure the ball on a scrimmage fumble like that. It's not like the QB was sacked in the backfield and fumbled. Furthermore, two Browns went down to cover it up. Yes, if a DB is in that position, it could have been different and gone for a touchdown.
We have some big issues. Specialty teams (I thought that was our strength), the passing game, the lack of a pass rush even with a blitz. And let's not forget the winning drive had two 3rd and long plays that the Browns could not stop.
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