ANDERSON gets the last laugh?
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O that's what my problem is. Thanks doctor!
Did you watch any Seahawks games with Wallace starting? I'm guessing no. But you're here to tell me I'm ignorant. Did they fill stupid people quota on Steelers forum, so you came here? Try again. They might be expanding.
Now you just proved your ignorance, wallace had a higher qb rating and completion percentage every single year compared to anderson (2006-2009).
Lifetime INTs thrown
Wallace: 14
Anderson: 45 (wallace has been ion the league 1 year longer too and yes I added that extra year to wallace's INT stat)
Of course there are areas in which andersons stats beat wallace like TD's and yards but the TD comparison is only won by anderson due to his 2007 season where he had 29.
You're ignorant and bias.
Now you just proved your ignorance, wallace had a higher qb rating and completion percentage every single year compared to anderson (2006-2009).
Lifetime INTs thrown
Wallace: 14
Anderson: 45 (wallace has been ion the league 1 year longer too and yes I added that extra year to wallace's INT stat)
Of course there are areas in which andersons stats beat wallace like TD's and yards but the TD comparison is only won by anderson due to his 2007 season where he had 29.
You're ignorant and bias.
Hmm. May be. But have you considered a slight possibility that Seneca's numbers are better because he was a back-up all this time. And when he did play, he played low risk offense similar to Ken Dorsey, Charlie Fry, Brady Quinn, Matt Leinart, etc.
Think about this: When AZ coach was asked what made difference in his choice of starting QB, he said: First downs. Now I'm sure he's stupid cuz you gots to look at the stats, but that's how most of the employed coaches think.
Jake will throw INT's but he will also get 1st downs and TD's. You won't have that with Seneca, he'll play safe. His QB rating will be great too. He just won't win any games.
...and thanks for calling me ignorant. It means a lot coming from someone like you.
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Now you just proved your ignorance, wallace had a higher qb rating and completion percentage every single year compared to anderson (2006-2009).
Lifetime INTs thrown
Wallace: 14
Anderson: 45 (wallace has been ion the league 1 year longer too and yes I added that extra year to wallace's INT stat)
Of course there are areas in which andersons stats beat wallace like TD's and yards but the TD comparison is only won by anderson due to his 2007 season where he had 29.
You're ignorant and bias.
Hmm. May be. But have you considered a slight possibility that Seneca's numbers are better because he was a back-up all this time. And when he did play, he played low risk offense similar to Ken Dorsey, Charlie Fry, Brady Quinn, Matt Leinart, etc.
Think about this: When AZ coach was asked what made difference in his choice of starting QB, he said: First downs. Now I'm sure he's stupid cuz you gots to look at the stats, but that's how most of the employed coaches think.
Jake will throw INT's but he will also get 1st downs and TD's. You won't have that with Seneca, he'll play safe. His QB rating will be great too. He just won't win any games.
...and thanks for calling me ignorant. It means a lot coming from someone like you.
Hmm. May be. But have you considered a slight possibility that Seneca's numbers are better because he was a back-up all this time. And when he did play, he played low risk offense similar to Ken Dorsey, Charlie Fry, Brady Quinn, Matt Leinart, etc.
Think about this: When AZ coach was asked what made difference in his choice of starting QB, he said: First downs. Now I'm sure he's stupid cuz you gots to look at the stats, but that's how most of the employed coaches think.
Jake will throw INT's but he will also get 1st downs and TD's. You won't have that with Seneca, he'll play safe. His QB rating will be great too. He just won't win any games.
...and thanks for calling me ignorant. It means a lot coming from someone like you.
Hoe many games has Andersuck won in the last 2 years?
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Hmm. May be. But have you considered a slight possibility that Seneca's numbers are better because he was a back-up all this time. And when he did play, he played low risk offense similar to Ken Dorsey, Charlie Fry, Brady Quinn, Matt Leinart, etc.
Think about this: When AZ coach was asked what made difference in his choice of starting QB, he said: First downs. Now I'm sure he's stupid cuz you gots to look at the stats, but that's how most of the employed coaches think.
Jake will throw INT's but he will also get 1st downs and TD's. You won't have that with Seneca, he'll play safe. His QB rating will be great too. He just won't win any games.
...and thanks for calling me ignorant. It means a lot coming from someone like you.
Hoe many games has Andersuck won in the last 2 years?
Hoe many games has Andersuck won in the last 2 years?
1 for 1 with Az. Won 6 of the 8 Cleveland wins the last two years, despite starting less than half the games.
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Now you just proved your ignorance, wallace had a higher qb rating and completion percentage every single year compared to anderson (2006-2009).
Lifetime INTs thrown
Wallace: 14
Anderson: 45 (wallace has been ion the league 1 year longer too and yes I added that extra year to wallace's INT stat)
Of course there are areas in which andersons stats beat wallace like TD's and yards but the TD comparison is only won by anderson due to his 2007 season where he had 29.
You're ignorant and bias.
Hmm. May be. But have you considered a slight possibility that Seneca's numbers are better because he was a back-up all this time. And when he did play, he played low risk offense similar to Ken Dorsey, Charlie Fry, Brady Quinn, Matt Leinart, etc.
Think about this: When AZ coach was asked what made difference in his choice of starting QB, he said: First downs. Now I'm sure he's stupid cuz you gots to look at the stats, but that's how most of the employed coaches think.
Jake will throw INT's but he will also get 1st downs and TD's. You won't have that with Seneca, he'll play safe. His QB rating will be great too. He just won't win any games.
...and thanks for calling me ignorant. It means a lot coming from someone like you.
Hmm. May be. But have you considered a slight possibility that Seneca's numbers are better because he was a back-up all this time. And when he did play, he played low risk offense similar to Ken Dorsey, Charlie Fry, Brady Quinn, Matt Leinart, etc.
Think about this: When AZ coach was asked what made difference in his choice of starting QB, he said: First downs. Now I'm sure he's stupid cuz you gots to look at the stats, but that's how most of the employed coaches think.
Jake will throw INT's but he will also get 1st downs and TD's. You won't have that with Seneca, he'll play safe. His QB rating will be great too. He just won't win any games.
...and thanks for calling me ignorant. It means a lot coming from someone like you.
Wallace is a #2 that was my point and anderson has played like a #3 qb his entire career except for 2007. You actually said that you'd rather have delhomme/anderson here and not in that order necessarily. A qb who makes smart (safe) choices as opposed to taking a risk every throw and forcing something that isn't there will in fact win more games. This is rather pointless you're obviously an anderson fan boy still to this day.
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Anderson is the best QB the BRowns had in the new era ... there is no debate.
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We are in a division that has top notch defense. JD played is a less intense division with some good goto receivers. DA in 07 had KW JR, Joe J and Braylon Edwards who atleast can stretch the defense.
Let us first find a team WR's and TE's as good as the one we had in 07 before we talk DA or JD. Right now it is a moot point.
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Anderson is the best QB the BRowns had in the new era ... there is no debate.
One good year. Couch was the best, when he wasn't buried under 3 linebackers.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
Anderson is the best QB the BRowns had in the new era ... there is no debate.
You obviously know nothing about football. Tim Couch was a much better QB than Anderson. Anderson has posted some of the worst numbers in NFL history. 2 for 17? Less than 50% completion percentage? Sucking so bad he was benched in favor or crappy Quinn? Throwing INT after INT to lose to the Bengals and miss the playoffs? How does that make him the best? You sir are pathetic.
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One good year. Couch was the best, when he wasn't buried under 3 linebackers.
I think Couch suffered from the same thing that hurt Linhart. College was fairly easy for them then they got the keys to the castle.
I was at a Browns raiders game way back when couch was still the starter 01' I think. The Browns came to Oakland at 2-0 on the opening drive went down the field and scored then after the Raiders scored a few processions later the Browns went 3 and out Couch walked off the field while the rest of the offence jogged he shrugged his shoulders and I swear the season went down hill from there.
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In fact Tim Couch is one of the biggest busts ever yet his career passer rating is still higher than Andersucks. Andersuck is a franchise wrecker. People fall in love with his rocket arm and are fooled into thinking he is good. He's a joke.
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Anderson is the best QB the BRowns had in the new era ... there is no debate.
You obviously know nothing about football. Tim Couch was a much better QB than Anderson. Anderson has posted some of the worst numbers in NFL history. 2 for 17? Less than 50% completion percentage? Sucking so bad he was benched in favor or crappy Quinn? Throwing INT after INT to lose to the Bengals and miss the playoffs? How does that make him the best? You sir are pathetic.
You obviously know nothing about football. Tim Couch was a much better QB than Anderson. Anderson has posted some of the worst numbers in NFL history. 2 for 17? Less than 50% completion percentage? Sucking so bad he was benched in favor or crappy Quinn? Throwing INT after INT to lose to the Bengals and miss the playoffs? How does that make him the best? You sir are pathetic.
I think he's basing his stats on the fact that DA is the only Browns QB to make it to a Pro Bowl in the new era.
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You obviously know nothing about football. Tim Couch was a much better QB than Anderson. Anderson has posted some of the worst numbers in NFL history. 2 for 17? Less than 50% completion percentage? Sucking so bad he was benched in favor or crappy Quinn? Throwing INT after INT to lose to the Bengals and miss the playoffs? How does that make him the best? You sir are pathetic.
I think he's basing his stats on the fact that DA is the only Browns QB to make it to a Pro Bowl in the new era.
I think he's basing his stats on the fact that DA is the only Browns QB to make it to a Pro Bowl in the new era.
A few good games does not a career make. Plus he only made it because everyone else didn't feel like playing.
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I think he's basing his stats on the fact that DA is the only Browns QB to make it to a Pro Bowl in the new era.
A few good games does not a career make. Plus he only made it because everyone else didn't feel like playing.
A few good games does not a career make. Plus he only made it because everyone else didn't feel like playing.
You're right, his 3,787 yards and 29 touchdowns had nothing to do with it. Any other year, those stats would have gotten him in outright probably. That year, it just so happened a couple QBs had the hot hand.
Although I do agree, one year doesn't prove anything. All it proves is that when he has a legitimate deep threat that actually has thumbs, he's a real QB. But take that away and he's nothing.
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A few good games does not a career make. Plus he only made it because everyone else didn't feel like playing.
You're right, his 3,787 yards and 29 touchdowns had nothing to do with it. Any other year, those stats would have gotten him in outright probably. That year, it just so happened a couple QBs had the hot hand.
Although I do agree, one year doesn't prove anything. All it proves is that when he has a legitimate deep threat that actually has thumbs, he's a real QB. But take that away and he's nothing.
You're right, his 3,787 yards and 29 touchdowns had nothing to do with it. Any other year, those stats would have gotten him in outright probably. That year, it just so happened a couple QBs had the hot hand.
Although I do agree, one year doesn't prove anything. All it proves is that when he has a legitimate deep threat that actually has thumbs, he's a real QB. But take that away and he's nothing.
His horrendous completion % and terrific number of interceptions has nothing to do with his wide receivers. Tim Couch had way worse receivers yet still posted better career numbers. Anderson played with the best supporting cast ever. Yet he couldn't even make it to the playoffs.
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You're right, his 3,787 yards and 29 touchdowns had nothing to do with it. Any other year, those stats would have gotten him in outright probably. That year, it just so happened a couple QBs had the hot hand.
Although I do agree, one year doesn't prove anything. All it proves is that when he has a legitimate deep threat that actually has thumbs, he's a real QB. But take that away and he's nothing.
His horrendous completion % and terrific number of interceptions has nothing to do with his wide receivers. Tim Couch had way worse receivers yet still posted better career numbers. Anderson played with the best supporting cast ever. Yet he couldn't even make it to the playoffs.
His horrendous completion % and terrific number of interceptions has nothing to do with his wide receivers. Tim Couch had way worse receivers yet still posted better career numbers. Anderson played with the best supporting cast ever. Yet he couldn't even make it to the playoffs.
His horrendous completion percentage and number of interceptions had a great deal to do with his wide receivers. There were an inordinate amount of dropped balls in '08 and '09. At one time we had something like 10-15 a game. And he was forced to throw into tight coverage on many occasions because we've never had a receiver who can get seperation.
I'm not putting all the blame on them, because DA made some horrible, horrible decisions. But if you think that his receivers were completely fault-free, then you are crazy.
This team needs receivers, plain and simple. That will end these QB woes. A great WR makes even the shittiest QB look good, not the other way around.
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One good year. Couch was the best, when he wasn't buried under 3 linebackers.
Couch was drafted Number 1 with a team of has beens and washouts. He is lucky he survived his brief NFL career. The guy was sacked so many times I'm sure he has suffered severe bodily damage.
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His horrendous completion % and terrific number of interceptions has nothing to do with his wide receivers. Tim Couch had way worse receivers yet still posted better career numbers. Anderson played with the best supporting cast ever. Yet he couldn't even make it to the playoffs.
His horrendous completion percentage and number of interceptions had a great deal to do with his wide receivers. There were an inordinate amount of dropped balls in '08 and '09. At one time we had something like 10-15 a game. And he was forced to throw into tight coverage on many occasions because we've never had a receiver who can get seperation.
I'm not putting all the blame on them, because DA made some horrible, horrible decisions. But if you think that his receivers were completely fault-free, then you are crazy.
This team needs receivers, plain and simple. That will end these QB woes. A great WR makes even the shittiest QB look good, not the other way around.
His horrendous completion percentage and number of interceptions had a great deal to do with his wide receivers. There were an inordinate amount of dropped balls in '08 and '09. At one time we had something like 10-15 a game. And he was forced to throw into tight coverage on many occasions because we've never had a receiver who can get seperation.
I'm not putting all the blame on them, because DA made some horrible, horrible decisions. But if you think that his receivers were completely fault-free, then you are crazy.
This team needs receivers, plain and simple. That will end these QB woes. A great WR makes even the shittiest QB look good, not the other way around.
I disagree. Peyton Manning makes guys look good. I could probably catch 30 passes for 3TD in a season with Manning throwing me the ball. Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie would suck on the browns. Brandon Stokely sucked as soon as he left the Colts. Good thing I had him on my fantasy team the year he caught 10 TD's. Anyways Anderson played with our best group of receivers ever. And he still sucked. and please stop exaggerating. the browns never dropped 10-15 passes a game while Anderson played. the guy can't even complete a screen pass.
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You obviously know nothing about football. Tim Couch was a much better QB than Anderson. Anderson has posted some of the worst numbers in NFL history. 2 for 17? Less than 50% completion percentage? Sucking so bad he was benched in favor or crappy Quinn? Throwing INT after INT to lose to the Bengals and miss the playoffs? How does that make him the best? You sir are pathetic.
I think he's basing his stats on the fact that DA is the only Browns QB to make it to a Pro Bowl in the new era.
I think he's basing his stats on the fact that DA is the only Browns QB to make it to a Pro Bowl in the new era.
and 10 wins too.
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His horrendous completion percentage and number of interceptions had a great deal to do with his wide receivers. There were an inordinate amount of dropped balls in '08 and '09. At one time we had something like 10-15 a game. And he was forced to throw into tight coverage on many occasions because we've never had a receiver who can get seperation.
I'm not putting all the blame on them, because DA made some horrible, horrible decisions. But if you think that his receivers were completely fault-free, then you are crazy.
This team needs receivers, plain and simple. That will end these QB woes. A great WR makes even the shittiest QB look good, not the other way around.
I disagree. Peyton Manning makes guys look good. I could probably catch 30 passes for 3TD in a season with Manning throwing me the ball. Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie would suck on the browns. Brandon Stokely sucked as soon as he left the Colts. Good thing I had him on my fantasy team the year he caught 10 TD's. Anyways Anderson played with our best group of receivers ever. And he still sucked. and please stop exaggerating. the browns never dropped 10-15 passes a game while Anderson played. the guy can't even complete a screen pass.
I disagree. Peyton Manning makes guys look good. I could probably catch 30 passes for 3TD in a season with Manning throwing me the ball. Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie would suck on the browns. Brandon Stokely sucked as soon as he left the Colts. Good thing I had him on my fantasy team the year he caught 10 TD's. Anyways Anderson played with our best group of receivers ever. And he still sucked. and please stop exaggerating. the browns never dropped 10-15 passes a game while Anderson played. the guy can't even complete a screen pass.
It's not an exaggeration. I'm positive that near the end of 2008, when we all had the dropsies, NFL Live counted the number of dropped passes in one game and it was 10-11. I'll try to find it if I can, but that definitely happened. Hell, Braylon alone dropped 1-2 a game.
And you are right, Peyton does make his receivers look great. But Peyton is also a lock for the Hall, and one of the greatest passers ever. And defenses have had to scheme against Peyton and Reggie and Marvin for so long that it would leave the rest of the wideouts open. Even now that Marvin's gone, teams still have to respect Reggie in the deep zones, and play him with a cushion or double cover him. That's going to free up Garcon, Gonzales, Collie, and any other receiver they have. That just proves how much having a legitimate deep threat WR helps a team gameplan.
What I was trying to say is that, ultimately, the WR determines if the catch is made. You can place a perfect ball in a shitty WR's hands and he drops it. Or you can throw the perfectly timed comeback route but the WR isn't there because his route running is bad. You can throw up a perfect deep pass that a bad WR can't get to because he can't beat the press.
That's what we've faced for the past 10 years. No QB we've ever had could have put together a Pro Bowl season with the stable of receivers we had. Maybe Anderson did have the best talent we've had for years. But that talent was still pretty much dogshit compared with what the rest of the league puts out on Sundays.
And yeah, he sucked donkey dick at screen passes.
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