Jim Brown feeling bitter toward's organization
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http://www.fanfeedr.com/nfl/2010/08/26/cle...dio-show-about-
CLEVELAND -- Browns Hall of Fame running back Jim Brown, who's original plan was to skip the Brown's Ring of Honor ceremony on Sept. 19, indicated on a Syracuse radioi station today that he feels disrespected by the organization.
Speaking on a The Score 1260 in Syracuse, N.Y., Brown responded to a question about possibly skipping the ceremony for the first time: "I'm a very sensitive person. I do like to be respected. I'm very loyal. I like it to be a two-way street.
"I've been very quiet about the situation in Cleveland. Sometimes when you comment on things all you do is create problems. The last thing I want to do is create problems for anyone or disrupt the team or ownership or the plans of other people. On the other hand, as an individual I have plans of my own. I have a dignity and character of my own that I also protect. I don't really need to comment on where I go, why I go, why I don't go. All the people involved are doing all the commenting. They're the ones with the power. I'm just an individual who played football and worked for the Browns for a while....My main work right now is to help the players pension plan and health care situation....Those of us well enough off financially should chip in and start the ball rolling so that these players can be given the respect that baseball and basketball give their players.''
Browns President Mike Holmgren said during a press conference today to announce the Ring of Honor that he spoke with Brown a couple of days ago and that he trusts Brown will attend the ceremony honoring the Browns' 16 Hall of Famers.
He said "rift' is too strong a word to describe the situation between the Browns and Brown and that he's acknowledged from day one how important he is to the organization. He said his responsibilities have changed, but that he still wants Brown to be a part of the Browns' family and come back and speak to the rookies and attend other team functions.
Brown had been an executive advisor to the team, but was relieved of that title after Holmgren took over as president.
Fellow Hall of Famer Paul Warfield said he'll try to encourage Brown to attend the ceremony if he gets the opportunity.
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it's just what i thought it was. jim is overeacting to all of this. when most businesses bring in a new administration, they ususally fire everyone from the prior admin. it just goes to show how much respect the browns have for jim by them still keeping him around (but in a lesser role) and still having him on their pay role (on a lesser salary) even though they have all that they need with the members of their new fo. if they didn't care about him or value him, they would have just fired him. hopefully jim will look at this situation for what it really is and come on back.
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Zombo said:
That's good to hear.Zombo
DID ANnyone really believe that he would not come?? It's all about damage control. In the long run, it's cheaper and less hassle to bring The Dude home for the big show.
Somebody sooothed his hurt feelings. Maybe Colt is good for something!!!...( this being his nonplaying rookie session)
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Jim Browns thinks the Browns Screwed him….
Posted by Randy Ward on August 30th, 2010 in Features
Jim Browns think the team screwed him. Well Jim, the fans of this city think you scewed us.
From Profootballtalk.com
Earlier this year, the Cleveland Browns decided to part ways with Hall of Fame running back Jim Brown, who most recently served as a member of the team’s senior management.
Brown had kept quiet about the situation in Cleveland, alluding vaguely to “Pandora’s box” but not opening it. Yet.
That could be changing. According to Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Brown has sent a letter to the Browns explaining that — as reported and expected — he won’t be attending the September 19 Ring of Honor induction. In the letter, per Grossi, “Brown states that while he had no formal contract as executive advisor with the Browns, he believes his agreement with owner Randy Lerner was violated because a clause in it stated he would answer to no one but Lerner.”
But a contract is an agreement. So either Brown had an “agreement” or he didn’t. It sounds like at most he had a legally unenforceable understanding as to what his role would be and, more importantly, who he would be reporting to.
Brown contends that he was offered $100,000 per year to be “a greeter . . . a mascot . . . a person that would represent special events by his physical presence,” and that he declined. From that it could be inferred that his prior agreement/arrangement entailed much more money — and much more substantive duties.
Still, it doesn’t appear that Brown plans to demand a settlement or to file suit. Instead, the main purpose of the letter seems to be the communication of his decision not to attend the September 19 event.
“I don’t have any trophies in my home on display,” Brown writes. “I don’t claim to be the best at anything, and I emphatically do not need validation from any man, so I will not participate in your Ring of Honor.”
We respect Brown’s position. But shouldn’t he also be asking the Browns not to include him in the Ring of Honor at all? Even if he doesn’t show up, he’ll have permanent validation at Cleveland Browns Stadium via the presence of his name there.
If he doesn’t want it, he needs to say so. And if he doesn’t say so, we’ll assume he wants it.
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I like Jim, and he has done some good things, but he is off base here.
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Jim is just too sensitive. He seems to feel disrespect like other people feel hunger.
At least it was Holmgren who gave him and Bernie the heave-ho otherwise the national media would have descended on Berea like a plague of locusts to publish another "Mangini scorches sacred ground" article. I think respecting former greats and giving them big voices in the organization are two things that can't go together. For instance, Roger Staubach doesn't help run the Dallas Cowboys but they reach out to him respectfully and he returns the respect.
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I wonder if Randy Lerner was aware of Mike Holgren's intensions to reduce Jim Browns' role with the team BEFORE the meeting with Jim Brown. I understand the whole bit about new management wanting to make changes and all that. It seems to me that the job that was created for Jim Brown, when it was created,was pretty much like a handshake agreement that he had with Randy Lerner. I think if there were going to be any changes made to the working agreement that Brown had with Lerner, that it was Lerner that should have made them. Brown was not part of any front office re-shuffle with regard to football operations, he was more of a "personal services" type of employee and by all of the accounts that I have read in the paper and on the radio I believe that the way Brown was treated was "awkward". I know that Randy was relieved to be able to get Mike Holgren to run the football operation but I really think he should have been more involved if there were going to be any changes made with regard to Jim Browns status, role, function or whatever you want to call it. Reggie Ruckers article highlighted the good that Jim Brown did as an ambassador for the Cleveland Browns and our city and mentioned all of the other charitable contributions and work he did with youth within and for our city. Those intangibles should have been acknowledged by someone somehow. The greatest player in Browns history, looking to make a difference and wanting to be a part of, now not wanting to be a part of this team's great heritage.
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I wonder if Randy Lerner was aware of Mike Holgren's intensions to reduce Jim Browns' role with the team BEFORE the meeting with Jim Brown. I understand the whole bit about new management wanting to make changes and all that. It seems to me that the job that was created for Jim Brown, when it was created,was pretty much like a handshake agreement that he had with Randy Lerner. I think if there were going to be any changes made to the working agreement that Brown had with Lerner, that it was Lerner that should have made them. Brown was not part of any front office re-shuffle with regard to football operations, he was more of a "personal services" type of employee and by all of the accounts that I have read in the paper and on the radio I believe that the way Brown was treated was "awkward". I know that Randy was relieved to be able to get Mike Holgren to run the football operation but I really think he should have been more involved if there were going to be any changes made with regard to Jim Browns status, role, function or whatever you want to call it. Reggie Ruckers article highlighted the good that Jim Brown did as an ambassador for the Cleveland Browns and our city and mentioned all of the other charitable contributions and work he did with youth within and for our city. Those intangibles should have been acknowledged by someone somehow. The greatest player in Browns history, looking to make a difference and wanting to be a part of, now not wanting to be a part of this team's great heritage.
I wonder if Randy Lerner was aware of Mike Holgren's intensions to reduce Jim Browns' role with the team BEFORE the meeting with Jim Brown. I understand the whole bit about new management wanting to make changes and all that. It seems to me that the job that was created for Jim Brown, when it was created,was pretty much like a handshake agreement that he had with Randy Lerner. I think if there were going to be any changes made to the working agreement that Brown had with Lerner, that it was Lerner that should have made them. Brown was not part of any front office re-shuffle with regard to football operations, he was more of a "personal services" type of employee and by all of the accounts that I have read in the paper and on the radio I believe that the way Brown was treated was "awkward". I know that Randy was relieved to be able to get Mike Holgren to run the football operation but I really think he should have been more involved if there were going to be any changes made with regard to Jim Browns status, role, function or whatever you want to call it. Reggie Ruckers article highlighted the good that Jim Brown did as an ambassador for the Cleveland Browns and our city and mentioned all of the other charitable contributions and work he did with youth within and for our city. Those intangibles should have been acknowledged by someone somehow. The greatest player in Browns history, looking to make a difference and wanting to be a part of, now not wanting to be a part of this team's great heritage.
It would be the other way around- near certainty Holmgren approached Lerner about reducing JBs role- and Randy wimped out.
Brown can blather on how he was "disrespected" as much as he wants- but if the reports are true- do the math- JB collected over a million buck retirement check from the Browns for essentially doing nothing.
I think considering Lerner's largess, he should find the time to show up one last time at the stadium. And if you don't, take a hike down to South Beach and high five your pal LeBron for sticking it to the fans who have supported you for the last 52 years.
Be sure to make a stop in Omaha on your way back to LA to make sure Maurice Clarett's new "Masters" aren't being too hard on him.
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Jim Brown: "My legacy won't be defined by Holmgren"
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 17, 2010 8:54 AM ET
The Browns induct 16 Hall of Famers on Sunday into their first "Ring of Honor" but the greatest Brown of them all (Jim Brown, of course) will be with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell at a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus in Washington, D.C.
Brown, still upset with a reduced role with the organization, says he won't attend the ceremonies despite last minute entreaties.
"No, I won't be going," Brown said. "My legacy won't be defined by [browns President Mike] Holmgren." Brown sent Holmgren a letter that he doesn't want to be a "greeter" or a "mascot" for the organization.
Brown used to have owner Randy Lerner's ear as an adviser. Holmgren seems to have that ear exclusively these days.
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I still say, that Jim Brown couldn't hold a candle to Leroy Kelly to me when I was kid,
and Brown is still playing the victim for attention.
I'm glad he doesn't have his position anymore; can ANYBODY point to one thing
he ever did for the Browns that made them a better team?
I believe there have been hundreds and hundreds of players, if not thousands? of Browns players I respected more than him.
Greatest of all time, whatever. He's been a pouty self-absorbed distraction. Wasn't too bad
in the movies, though. A truly GREAT player doesn't quit to show how important he was to his team
at the time. Sorry, I'm just not a big fan of his. When I see the highlights of his runs? I'm bigtime impressed with his toughness after
running through giant holes opened up for him by his oline, led by Gene Hickerson.
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that's bad, organizations should always treat their legends to privileges, but it doesn't have to be something so important, I say just give him an advisory position and make everyone happy. the players enjoy having him around anyhow.
that's bad, organizations should always treat their legends to privileges, but it doesn't have to be something so important, I say just give him an advisory position and make everyone happy. the players enjoy having him around anyhow.
He was offered a job as a greeter for $100,000 per year. He is out of touch with reality thinking that is an insult. How many people on this board even make that. xxxx him
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I still say, that Jim Brown couldn't hold a candle to Leroy Kelly to me when I was kid,
and Brown is still playing the victim for attention.
I'm glad he doesn't have his position anymore; can ANYBODY point to one thing
he ever did for the Browns that made them a better team?
I believe there have been hundreds and hundreds of players, if not thousands? of Browns players I respected more than him.
Greatest of all time, whatever. He's been a pouty self-absorbed distraction. Wasn't too bad
in the movies, though. A truly GREAT player doesn't quit to show how important he was to his team
at the time. Sorry, I'm just not a big fan of his. When I see the highlights of his runs? I'm bigtime impressed with his toughness after
running through giant holes opened up for him by his oline, led by Gene Hickerson.
I still say, that Jim Brown couldn't hold a candle to Leroy Kelly to me when I was kid,
Well, I don't agree with that. (But that is no knock on Leroy)
and Brown is still playing the victim for attention.
But, I basically agree with that.
I'm glad he doesn't have his position anymore; can ANYBODY point to one thing
he ever did for the Browns that made them a better team?
I assume you mean "beyond his playing years". No, I can't, but then I don't know insider details. There may be something.
I believe there have been hundreds and hundreds of players, if not thousands? of Browns players I respected more than him.
I believe this is irrelevent (who you...or I respect or don't). He gets respect as perhaps the greatest ever player ever. What does he need beyond that? This whole "you are disrespecting me" thing is so freeking overblow (particularly it seems, among African-American men). Who cares?
Greatest of all time, whatever. He's been a pouty self-absorbed distraction.
OK, I agree that he is probably both of those.
Wasn't too bad in the movies, though.
Wasn't that great though. Of course he was never asked to be that great an actor. He did his character roles fine for what they were.
A truly GREAT player doesn't quit to show how important he was to his team at the time.
Him retiring doesn't bother me. He truly didn't have anything left to prove on the field. He had already amassed nearly double the amount of rushing yards in his career as the second place person, plus football players, even Jim Brown really weren't paid anything like the money they are now, and he could get a ton more money doing movies. So, it was understandable that he would move on. Plus, he got Hollywood stars in his eyes.....and yes, there is some appeal to that over playing on a rock hard field on the shores of Lake Erie in wither weather where other big ugly men want to commit mayhem upon you. Not that he couldn't give as good as he could take...but why bother. Like I said, he had already proven everything he could in his profession, he just felt it was time to move on.
The problem was that he didn't come to that same realization now, 45 years later that he came to then. At 74 years old it was time for him to retire from an active role with the Browns. Unlike then when he went out on top, now he has had to be put out to pasture, and it certainly is a big blow to his ego. If he had stayed around during his playing days, and had to be put out to pasture from the field then, he would have had a better understanding that such was necessary now.
Sorry, I'm just not a big fan of his. When I see the highlights of his runs? I'm bigtime impressed with his toughness after
running through giant holes opened up for him by his oline, led by Gene Hickerson.
Well, it was both, and he has always been the first one to acknowledge it: that he had a great offensive line. In fact, he was the prime lobbyist to get Hickerson inducted into the HOF.
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Well, it was both, and he has always been the first one to acknowledge it: that he had a great offensive line. In fact, he was the prime lobbyist to get Hickerson inducted into the HOF. Gipper
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Yes, he has. He has really given great credit to his offensive line, and I forgot about that...
that's one class move hugely in his favor. I don't know, he's an enigma, and it warps my brain trying to understand
him at all. I liked Kelly's style of running more, anyways.
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