Jim Brown feeling bitter toward's organization
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I like Jim, and he has done some good things, but he is off base here.
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Jim is just too sensitive. He seems to feel disrespect like other people feel hunger.
At least it was Holmgren who gave him and Bernie the heave-ho otherwise the national media would have descended on Berea like a plague of locusts to publish another "Mangini scorches sacred ground" article. I think respecting former greats and giving them big voices in the organization are two things that can't go together. For instance, Roger Staubach doesn't help run the Dallas Cowboys but they reach out to him respectfully and he returns the respect.
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I wonder if Randy Lerner was aware of Mike Holgren's intensions to reduce Jim Browns' role with the team BEFORE the meeting with Jim Brown. I understand the whole bit about new management wanting to make changes and all that. It seems to me that the job that was created for Jim Brown, when it was created,was pretty much like a handshake agreement that he had with Randy Lerner. I think if there were going to be any changes made to the working agreement that Brown had with Lerner, that it was Lerner that should have made them. Brown was not part of any front office re-shuffle with regard to football operations, he was more of a "personal services" type of employee and by all of the accounts that I have read in the paper and on the radio I believe that the way Brown was treated was "awkward". I know that Randy was relieved to be able to get Mike Holgren to run the football operation but I really think he should have been more involved if there were going to be any changes made with regard to Jim Browns status, role, function or whatever you want to call it. Reggie Ruckers article highlighted the good that Jim Brown did as an ambassador for the Cleveland Browns and our city and mentioned all of the other charitable contributions and work he did with youth within and for our city. Those intangibles should have been acknowledged by someone somehow. The greatest player in Browns history, looking to make a difference and wanting to be a part of, now not wanting to be a part of this team's great heritage.
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I wonder if Randy Lerner was aware of Mike Holgren's intensions to reduce Jim Browns' role with the team BEFORE the meeting with Jim Brown. I understand the whole bit about new management wanting to make changes and all that. It seems to me that the job that was created for Jim Brown, when it was created,was pretty much like a handshake agreement that he had with Randy Lerner. I think if there were going to be any changes made to the working agreement that Brown had with Lerner, that it was Lerner that should have made them. Brown was not part of any front office re-shuffle with regard to football operations, he was more of a "personal services" type of employee and by all of the accounts that I have read in the paper and on the radio I believe that the way Brown was treated was "awkward". I know that Randy was relieved to be able to get Mike Holgren to run the football operation but I really think he should have been more involved if there were going to be any changes made with regard to Jim Browns status, role, function or whatever you want to call it. Reggie Ruckers article highlighted the good that Jim Brown did as an ambassador for the Cleveland Browns and our city and mentioned all of the other charitable contributions and work he did with youth within and for our city. Those intangibles should have been acknowledged by someone somehow. The greatest player in Browns history, looking to make a difference and wanting to be a part of, now not wanting to be a part of this team's great heritage.
I wonder if Randy Lerner was aware of Mike Holgren's intensions to reduce Jim Browns' role with the team BEFORE the meeting with Jim Brown. I understand the whole bit about new management wanting to make changes and all that. It seems to me that the job that was created for Jim Brown, when it was created,was pretty much like a handshake agreement that he had with Randy Lerner. I think if there were going to be any changes made to the working agreement that Brown had with Lerner, that it was Lerner that should have made them. Brown was not part of any front office re-shuffle with regard to football operations, he was more of a "personal services" type of employee and by all of the accounts that I have read in the paper and on the radio I believe that the way Brown was treated was "awkward". I know that Randy was relieved to be able to get Mike Holgren to run the football operation but I really think he should have been more involved if there were going to be any changes made with regard to Jim Browns status, role, function or whatever you want to call it. Reggie Ruckers article highlighted the good that Jim Brown did as an ambassador for the Cleveland Browns and our city and mentioned all of the other charitable contributions and work he did with youth within and for our city. Those intangibles should have been acknowledged by someone somehow. The greatest player in Browns history, looking to make a difference and wanting to be a part of, now not wanting to be a part of this team's great heritage.
It would be the other way around- near certainty Holmgren approached Lerner about reducing JBs role- and Randy wimped out.
Brown can blather on how he was "disrespected" as much as he wants- but if the reports are true- do the math- JB collected over a million buck retirement check from the Browns for essentially doing nothing.
I think considering Lerner's largess, he should find the time to show up one last time at the stadium. And if you don't, take a hike down to South Beach and high five your pal LeBron for sticking it to the fans who have supported you for the last 52 years.
Be sure to make a stop in Omaha on your way back to LA to make sure Maurice Clarett's new "Masters" aren't being too hard on him.
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Jim Brown: "My legacy won't be defined by Holmgren"
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 17, 2010 8:54 AM ET
The Browns induct 16 Hall of Famers on Sunday into their first "Ring of Honor" but the greatest Brown of them all (Jim Brown, of course) will be with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell at a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus in Washington, D.C.
Brown, still upset with a reduced role with the organization, says he won't attend the ceremonies despite last minute entreaties.
"No, I won't be going," Brown said. "My legacy won't be defined by [browns President Mike] Holmgren." Brown sent Holmgren a letter that he doesn't want to be a "greeter" or a "mascot" for the organization.
Brown used to have owner Randy Lerner's ear as an adviser. Holmgren seems to have that ear exclusively these days.
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I still say, that Jim Brown couldn't hold a candle to Leroy Kelly to me when I was kid,
and Brown is still playing the victim for attention.
I'm glad he doesn't have his position anymore; can ANYBODY point to one thing
he ever did for the Browns that made them a better team?
I believe there have been hundreds and hundreds of players, if not thousands? of Browns players I respected more than him.
Greatest of all time, whatever. He's been a pouty self-absorbed distraction. Wasn't too bad
in the movies, though. A truly GREAT player doesn't quit to show how important he was to his team
at the time. Sorry, I'm just not a big fan of his. When I see the highlights of his runs? I'm bigtime impressed with his toughness after
running through giant holes opened up for him by his oline, led by Gene Hickerson.
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that's bad, organizations should always treat their legends to privileges, but it doesn't have to be something so important, I say just give him an advisory position and make everyone happy. the players enjoy having him around anyhow.
that's bad, organizations should always treat their legends to privileges, but it doesn't have to be something so important, I say just give him an advisory position and make everyone happy. the players enjoy having him around anyhow.
He was offered a job as a greeter for $100,000 per year. He is out of touch with reality thinking that is an insult. How many people on this board even make that. xxxx him
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I still say, that Jim Brown couldn't hold a candle to Leroy Kelly to me when I was kid,
and Brown is still playing the victim for attention.
I'm glad he doesn't have his position anymore; can ANYBODY point to one thing
he ever did for the Browns that made them a better team?
I believe there have been hundreds and hundreds of players, if not thousands? of Browns players I respected more than him.
Greatest of all time, whatever. He's been a pouty self-absorbed distraction. Wasn't too bad
in the movies, though. A truly GREAT player doesn't quit to show how important he was to his team
at the time. Sorry, I'm just not a big fan of his. When I see the highlights of his runs? I'm bigtime impressed with his toughness after
running through giant holes opened up for him by his oline, led by Gene Hickerson.
I still say, that Jim Brown couldn't hold a candle to Leroy Kelly to me when I was kid,
Well, I don't agree with that. (But that is no knock on Leroy)
and Brown is still playing the victim for attention.
But, I basically agree with that.
I'm glad he doesn't have his position anymore; can ANYBODY point to one thing
he ever did for the Browns that made them a better team?
I assume you mean "beyond his playing years". No, I can't, but then I don't know insider details. There may be something.
I believe there have been hundreds and hundreds of players, if not thousands? of Browns players I respected more than him.
I believe this is irrelevent (who you...or I respect or don't). He gets respect as perhaps the greatest ever player ever. What does he need beyond that? This whole "you are disrespecting me" thing is so freeking overblow (particularly it seems, among African-American men). Who cares?
Greatest of all time, whatever. He's been a pouty self-absorbed distraction.
OK, I agree that he is probably both of those.
Wasn't too bad in the movies, though.
Wasn't that great though. Of course he was never asked to be that great an actor. He did his character roles fine for what they were.
A truly GREAT player doesn't quit to show how important he was to his team at the time.
Him retiring doesn't bother me. He truly didn't have anything left to prove on the field. He had already amassed nearly double the amount of rushing yards in his career as the second place person, plus football players, even Jim Brown really weren't paid anything like the money they are now, and he could get a ton more money doing movies. So, it was understandable that he would move on. Plus, he got Hollywood stars in his eyes.....and yes, there is some appeal to that over playing on a rock hard field on the shores of Lake Erie in wither weather where other big ugly men want to commit mayhem upon you. Not that he couldn't give as good as he could take...but why bother. Like I said, he had already proven everything he could in his profession, he just felt it was time to move on.
The problem was that he didn't come to that same realization now, 45 years later that he came to then. At 74 years old it was time for him to retire from an active role with the Browns. Unlike then when he went out on top, now he has had to be put out to pasture, and it certainly is a big blow to his ego. If he had stayed around during his playing days, and had to be put out to pasture from the field then, he would have had a better understanding that such was necessary now.
Sorry, I'm just not a big fan of his. When I see the highlights of his runs? I'm bigtime impressed with his toughness after
running through giant holes opened up for him by his oline, led by Gene Hickerson.
Well, it was both, and he has always been the first one to acknowledge it: that he had a great offensive line. In fact, he was the prime lobbyist to get Hickerson inducted into the HOF.
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Well, it was both, and he has always been the first one to acknowledge it: that he had a great offensive line. In fact, he was the prime lobbyist to get Hickerson inducted into the HOF. Gipper
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Yes, he has. He has really given great credit to his offensive line, and I forgot about that...
that's one class move hugely in his favor. I don't know, he's an enigma, and it warps my brain trying to understand
him at all. I liked Kelly's style of running more, anyways.
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