Browns Feeder schools
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In another thread someone complained about Browns fans wanting to pick up Ohio State Buckeyes. So what I am doing here is to simply list which schools have been targeted the most in the Browns drafts going back to 1999, so here is the list of schools that the Browns have drafted from:
Virginia Tech: 5 players: Jay Dunn, Lee Suggs, Andre Davis, Ben Taylor, Justin Hamilton
Miami, Fla.: 5 players: Leon Williams, Kellen Winslow Jr., Joaquin Gonzales, James Jackson, Andre King
Maryland: 4 players: D'Qwell Jackson, Melvin Fowler, Lewis Sanders, Kendell Ogle
Colorado: 4 players: Lawrence Vickers, Brad Bedell, Rashidi Barnes, Dana Chiaverini
Florida: 3 players: Joe Haden, Andra Davis, Gerard Warren
Cal: 3 players: Alex Mack, ???Echemandu, Marquis Smith
Georgia: 3 players: Mohammed Massaquoi, DeMario Minter, Sean Jones
Arizona: 3 players: Syndric Steptoe, Dennis Northcutt, Manuia Savea
Oklahoma: 3 players: Travis Wilson, Brodney Pool, Antonio Perkins
Boston College: 3 players: Antonio Garay, William Green, Paul Zukauskus
Stanford: 3 players: Babatunde Owshinowo, Amon Gordon, Kirk Chambers
South Florida: 2 players: Carlton Mitchell, Anthony Henry
Hawaii: David Veikune, Melia Purcell
Southern Cal: 2 players: Kaiuka Maiava, Daylon McCutcheon
Clemson: 2 playersJames Davis, Rahim Abdullah
Wisconsin: 2 players Paul Hubbard, Joe Thomas
Notre Dame: 2 players: Brady Quinn, Jeff Faine
UNLV: 2 players: Beau Bell, Eric Wright
Ohio State: 2 players Brian Robiskie, Darnell Sanders
Michigan: 2 players Braylon Edwards, Aaron Shea
Virginia: 2 players: Andrew Hoffman, Wali Rainer
Kansas State: 2 players: Quincy Morgan, Lamar Chapman
Schools with only 1 player each:
Kentucky: Tim Couch
Jackson St.: Eric Chaste
SW Texas St: Spergon Wynn
Texas Tech: Anthony Malbrough
Tulane: JaJuan Dawson
Miami, Ohio: Travice Prentice
Penn St.: Courtney Brown
Texas A&M: Michael Jameson
Washington: Jeremiah Pharms
Northwestern: Kevin Bentley
Minnesota: Michael Lehan
Rice: Ryan Pontbriand
Marshall: Chris Crocker
West Texas A&M: Chaun Thompson
Louisiana Tech: Luke McCown
New Mexico: Nick Speegle
Kansas: David McMillan
Akron: Charlie Frye
Indiana: Isaac Sowells
Troy: Marquis Spriggs
Syracuse: Kevin Johnson
Florida St.: Kameron Wimbley
LSU: Chase Pittman
Memphis: Brandon McDonald
St. Augustine: Alex Hall
Iowa St.: Ahtyba Rubin
Missouri: Martin Rucker
San Jose St.: Coye Francies
Norfolk St.: Don Carey
South Carolina: Justin Geathers
Nebraska: Larry Asante
Arizona St.: Shaun Lauvao
Texas: Colt McCoy
Tennessee: Montario Hardesty
Oregon: TJ Ward
Tarleton St.: James Dearth
Arkansas: Madre Hill
Kent State: Josh Cribbs.....undrafted
The highlighted guys are players that have been named to a Pro Bowl. So? Based on this, which school has been the best "feeder" school for the Browns. Personally, I am not sure any school has been that great.
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In another thread someone complained about Browns fans wanting to pick up Ohio State Buckeyes. So what I am doing here is to simply list which schools have been targeted the most in the Browns drafts going back to 1999, so here is the list of schools that the Browns have drafted from:
Virginia Tech: 5 players: Jay Dunn, Lee Suggs, Andre Davis, Ben Taylor, Justin Hamilton
Miami, Fla.: 5 players: Leon Williams, Kellen Winslow Jr., Joaquin Gonzales, James Jackson, Andre King
Maryland: 4 players: D'Qwell Jackson, Melvin Fowler, Lewis Sanders, Kendell Ogle
Colorado: 4 players: Lawrence Vickers, Brad Bedell, Rashidi Barnes, Dana Chiaverini
Florida: 3 players: Joe Haden, Andra Davis, Gerard Warren
Cal: 3 players: Alex Mack, ???Echemandu, Marquis Smith
Georgia: 3 players: Mohammed Massaquoi, DeMario Minter, Sean Jones
Arizona: 3 players: Syndric Steptoe, Dennis Northcutt, Manuia Savea
Oklahoma: 3 players: Travis Wilson, Brodney Pool, Antonio Perkins
Boston College: 3 players: Antonio Garay, William Green, Paul Zukauskus
Stanford: 3 players: Babatunde Owshinowo, Amon Gordon, Kirk Chambers
South Florida: 2 players: Carlton Mitchell, Anthony Henry
Hawaii: David Veikune, Melia Purcell
Southern Cal: 2 players: Kaiuka Maiava, Daylon McCutcheon
Clemson: 2 playersJames Davis, Rahim Abdullah
Wisconsin: 2 players Paul Hubbard, Joe Thomas
Notre Dame: 2 players: Brady Quinn, Jeff Faine
UNLV: 2 players: Beau Bell, Eric Wright
Ohio State: 2 players Brian Robiskie, Darnell Sanders
Michigan: 2 players Braylon Edwards, Aaron Shea
Virginia: 2 players: Andrew Hoffman, Wali Rainer
Kansas State: 2 players: Quincy Morgan, Lamar Chapman
Schools with only 1 player each:
Kentucky: Tim Couch
Jackson St.: Eric Chaste
SW Texas St: Spergon Wynn
Texas Tech: Anthony Malbrough
Tulane: JaJuan Dawson
Miami, Ohio: Travice Prentice
Penn St.: Courtney Brown
Texas A&M: Michael Jameson
Washington: Jeremiah Pharms
Northwestern: Kevin Bentley
Minnesota: Michael Lehan
Rice: Ryan Pontbriand
Marshall: Chris Crocker
West Texas A&M: Chaun Thompson
Louisiana Tech: Luke McCown
New Mexico: Nick Speegle
Kansas: David McMillan
Akron: Charlie Frye
Indiana: Isaac Sowells
Troy: Marquis Spriggs
Syracuse: Kevin Johnson
Florida St.: Kameron Wimbley
LSU: Chase Pittman
Memphis: Brandon McDonald
St. Augustine: Alex Hall
Iowa St.: Ahtyba Rubin
Missouri: Martin Rucker
San Jose St.: Coye Francies
Norfolk St.: Don Carey
South Carolina: Justin Geathers
Nebraska: Larry Asante
Arizona St.: Shaun Lauvao
Texas: Colt McCoy
Tennessee: Montario Hardesty
Oregon: TJ Ward
Tarleton St.: James Dearth
Arkansas: Madre Hill
Kent State: Josh Cribbs.....undrafted
The highlighted guys are players that have been named to a Pro Bowl. So? Based on this, which school has been the best "feeder" school for the Browns. Personally, I am not sure any school has been that great.
In another thread someone complained about Browns fans wanting to pick up Ohio State Buckeyes. So what I am doing here is to simply list which schools have been targeted the most in the Browns drafts going back to 1999, so here is the list of schools that the Browns have drafted from:
Virginia Tech: 5 players: Jay Dunn, Lee Suggs, Andre Davis, Ben Taylor, Justin Hamilton
Miami, Fla.: 5 players: Leon Williams, Kellen Winslow Jr., Joaquin Gonzales, James Jackson, Andre King
Maryland: 4 players: D'Qwell Jackson, Melvin Fowler, Lewis Sanders, Kendell Ogle
Colorado: 4 players: Lawrence Vickers, Brad Bedell, Rashidi Barnes, Dana Chiaverini
Florida: 3 players: Joe Haden, Andra Davis, Gerard Warren
Cal: 3 players: Alex Mack, ???Echemandu, Marquis Smith
Georgia: 3 players: Mohammed Massaquoi, DeMario Minter, Sean Jones
Arizona: 3 players: Syndric Steptoe, Dennis Northcutt, Manuia Savea
Oklahoma: 3 players: Travis Wilson, Brodney Pool, Antonio Perkins
Boston College: 3 players: Antonio Garay, William Green, Paul Zukauskus
Stanford: 3 players: Babatunde Owshinowo, Amon Gordon, Kirk Chambers
South Florida: 2 players: Carlton Mitchell, Anthony Henry
Hawaii: David Veikune, Melia Purcell
Southern Cal: 2 players: Kaiuka Maiava, Daylon McCutcheon
Clemson: 2 playersJames Davis, Rahim Abdullah
Wisconsin: 2 players Paul Hubbard, Joe Thomas
Notre Dame: 2 players: Brady Quinn, Jeff Faine
UNLV: 2 players: Beau Bell, Eric Wright
Ohio State: 2 players Brian Robiskie, Darnell Sanders
Michigan: 2 players Braylon Edwards, Aaron Shea
Virginia: 2 players: Andrew Hoffman, Wali Rainer
Kansas State: 2 players: Quincy Morgan, Lamar Chapman
Schools with only 1 player each:
Kentucky: Tim Couch
Jackson St.: Eric Chaste
SW Texas St: Spergon Wynn
Texas Tech: Anthony Malbrough
Tulane: JaJuan Dawson
Miami, Ohio: Travice Prentice
Penn St.: Courtney Brown
Texas A&M: Michael Jameson
Washington: Jeremiah Pharms
Northwestern: Kevin Bentley
Minnesota: Michael Lehan
Rice: Ryan Pontbriand
Marshall: Chris Crocker
West Texas A&M: Chaun Thompson
Louisiana Tech: Luke McCown
New Mexico: Nick Speegle
Kansas: David McMillan
Akron: Charlie Frye
Indiana: Isaac Sowells
Troy: Marquis Spriggs
Syracuse: Kevin Johnson
Florida St.: Kameron Wimbley
LSU: Chase Pittman
Memphis: Brandon McDonald
St. Augustine: Alex Hall
Iowa St.: Ahtyba Rubin
Missouri: Martin Rucker
San Jose St.: Coye Francies
Norfolk St.: Don Carey
South Carolina: Justin Geathers
Nebraska: Larry Asante
Arizona St.: Shaun Lauvao
Texas: Colt McCoy
Tennessee: Montario Hardesty
Oregon: TJ Ward
Tarleton St.: James Dearth
Arkansas: Madre Hill
Kent State: Josh Cribbs.....undrafted
The highlighted guys are players that have been named to a Pro Bowl. So? Based on this, which school has been the best "feeder" school for the Browns. Personally, I am not sure any school has been that great.
We cant blame the school if the players we draft are not often than great. Seems like we seem to have an eye for passing talent
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I think they should just draft Kent State players.
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I think they should just draft Kent State players.
I think they should just draft Kent State players.
Why bother drafting them? In history the following Kent State alumni have gone to a Pro Bowl:
Jack Lambert
James Harrison
Josh Cribbs
Antonio Gates.
Of these, ONLY Lambert was drafted. The other 3 were all undrafted free agents.
And, FYI, the team over the years that has been most enamored of drafting Kent State players?:
The Atlanta Falcons
Players they took: Willie Asbury 1966 (love that name, sounds like a pool shark), Eugene Baker 1999, Bob Hallen 1998, OJ Santiago 1997, Gerald Tinker 1979, Mike Zele 1979
The Falcons have drafted 6 Kent State players over the years. NO other team has drafted more than 2. The teams that have drafted 2:
The Browns: Rich Mostadi 1960, Larry Poole 1975
The Steelers: Lou Harris 1968, Jack Lambert 1974
The Saints: Usama Young 2007, Keno Hills 1996
No other team has ever drafted more than one Kent Stater in their history.
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I think they should just draft Kent State players.
Why bother drafting them? In history the following Kent State alumni have gone to a Pro Bowl:
Jack Lambert
James Harrison
Josh Cribbs
Antonio Gates.
Of these, ONLY Lambert was drafted. The other 3 were all undrafted free agents.
And, FYI, the team over the years that has been most enamored of drafting Kent State players?:
The Atlanta Falcons
Players they took: Willie Asbury 1966 (love that name, sounds like a pool shark), Eugene Baker 1999, Bob Hallen 1998, OJ Santiago 1997, Gerald Tinker 1979, Mike Zele 1979
The Falcons have drafted 6 Kent State players over the years. NO other team has drafted more than 2. The teams that have drafted 2:
The Browns: Rich Mostadi 1960, Larry Poole 1975
The Steelers: Lou Harris 1968, Jack Lambert 1974
The Saints: Usama Young 2007, Keno Hills 1996
No other team has ever drafted more than one Kent Stater in their history.
Why bother drafting them? In history the following Kent State alumni have gone to a Pro Bowl:
Jack Lambert
James Harrison
Josh Cribbs
Antonio Gates.
Of these, ONLY Lambert was drafted. The other 3 were all undrafted free agents.
And, FYI, the team over the years that has been most enamored of drafting Kent State players?:
The Atlanta Falcons
Players they took: Willie Asbury 1966 (love that name, sounds like a pool shark), Eugene Baker 1999, Bob Hallen 1998, OJ Santiago 1997, Gerald Tinker 1979, Mike Zele 1979
The Falcons have drafted 6 Kent State players over the years. NO other team has drafted more than 2. The teams that have drafted 2:
The Browns: Rich Mostadi 1960, Larry Poole 1975
The Steelers: Lou Harris 1968, Jack Lambert 1974
The Saints: Usama Young 2007, Keno Hills 1996
No other team has ever drafted more than one Kent Stater in their history.
The main reason Kent State produces good players is good coaching from Doug Martin and the other coaches here. Look in the past decade:
Antonio Gates (San Diego)
Josh Cribbs (Cleveland)
James Harrison (Pittsburgh)
Daniel Muir (Indianapolis)
Usama Young (New Orleans)
Abe Elam (Cleveland)
Julian Edelman (New England)
There are a few more but nothing worth mentioning. 6 of 7 start in the NFL.
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Considering we have a 60-121 (.331 winning percentage) record since the restart in 1999 maybe drafting all Buckeyes wouldn't be a bad idea......
Or maybe we should draft their coaches........
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I know I'm biased, but no SEC speed. Can't win without SEC speed, be it in NFL, or college.
I'll probably get booed off of the board for this one.
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I know I'm biased, but no SEC speed. Can't win without SEC speed, be it in NFL, or college.
I'll probably get booed off of the board for this one.
I know I'm biased, but no SEC speed. Can't win without SEC speed, be it in NFL, or college.
I'll probably get booed off of the board for this one.
Not Boo'ed. But MoMass is SEC...haven't seen any speed from him.
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With a quick looking over, 10% or so are from the SEC. Saying one player doesn't look fast from a conference is just as dumb as saying a 4th string CB at Florida is better than a #1 from the PAC 10. Whether or not the Ohio State fans want to admit it, the SEC has been the best conference in the land lately. We don't have many SEC players, and we haven't competed. Correlation or causation? I'll leave everyone else to decide that.
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I know I'm biased, but no SEC speed. Can't win without SEC speed, be it in NFL, or college.
I'll probably get booed off of the board for this one.
Not Boo'ed. But MoMass is SEC...haven't seen any speed from him.
Not Boo'ed. But MoMass is SEC...haven't seen any speed from him.
I agree we haven't seen much production from him, but he is speedy. I think the point to be made with MoMass is that he wasn't a #1 WR at UGA (AJ Green), and we are expecting him to be WR1 here (also, arguably our best pass catcher right now is Ben Watson, UGA).
I'm simply saying that teams like the Chiefs are turning their fates around with SEC speed (Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCluster, Javier Arenas, Kendrick Lewis). I think we should follow suit.
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I know I'm biased, but no SEC speed. Can't win without SEC speed, be it in NFL, or college.
I'll probably get booed off of the board for this one.
I know I'm biased, but no SEC speed. Can't win without SEC speed, be it in NFL, or college.
I'll probably get booed off of the board for this one.
Its not that, but did you look at the list? They picked up as many players from the SEC as anywhere. And a lot of those were duds. And, if you notice, two of their 4 Pro Bowlers on this list came from the Big Ten. And another from the MAC. Maybe they really needed more Big Ten and MAC players.
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With a quick looking over, 10% or so are from the SEC. Saying one player doesn't look fast from a conference is just as dumb as saying a 4th string CB at Florida is better than a #1 from the PAC 10. Whether or not the Ohio State fans want to admit it, the SEC has been the best conference in the land lately. We don't have many SEC players, and we haven't competed. Correlation or causation? I'll leave everyone else to decide that.
With a quick looking over, 10% or so are from the SEC. Saying one player doesn't look fast from a conference is just as dumb as saying a 4th string CB at Florida is better than a #1 from the PAC 10. Whether or not the Ohio State fans want to admit it, the SEC has been the best conference in the land lately. We don't have many SEC players, and we haven't competed. Correlation or causation? I'll leave everyone else to decide that.
OK, I have decided. I have decided you are wrong. Picking the wrong players has been a problem, regardless of which conference they are from.
As much as I hate to say it, one school that the Browns have been somewhat successful drafting from since 1999 is Mucking Fichigan. Braylon Edwards IS a Pro Bowl talent...but without Pro Bowl brains. And Aaron Shea was a pretty good TE in his time here. They were better than the OSU WR/TE combo that was drafted.
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With a quick looking over, 10% or so are from the SEC. Saying one player doesn't look fast from a conference is just as dumb as saying a 4th string CB at Florida is better than a #1 from the PAC 10. Whether or not the Ohio State fans want to admit it, the SEC has been the best conference in the land lately. We don't have many SEC players, and we haven't competed. Correlation or causation? I'll leave everyone else to decide that.
OK, I have decided. I have decided you are wrong. Picking the wrong players has been a problem, regardless of which conference they are from.
As much as I hate to say it, one school that the Browns have been somewhat successful drafting from since 1999 is Mucking Fichigan. Braylon Edwards IS a Pro Bowl talent...but without Pro Bowl brains. And Aaron Shea was a pretty good TE in his time here. They were better than the OSU WR/TE combo that was drafted.
OK, I have decided. I have decided you are wrong. Picking the wrong players has been a problem, regardless of which conference they are from.
As much as I hate to say it, one school that the Browns have been somewhat successful drafting from since 1999 is Mucking Fichigan. Braylon Edwards IS a Pro Bowl talent...but without Pro Bowl brains. And Aaron Shea was a pretty good TE in his time here. They were better than the OSU WR/TE combo that was drafted.
I think you are right sir. My predeliction to SEC style football doesn't necessarily translate to Browns football all of the time. MoMass is a good example here. I also meant no offense to any other conference (I can see how one might take such given how I worded that, my apologies).
I'll try to state my idea another way: If we consistently draft players from winning schools, such as Bama, LSUx, Ole Miss (even I'm surprised by how many pros we have), USC, Miami, Ohio State, etc etc.. then our chances of hitting on a prospect in the draft go up due to the fact that the prospect has "paid his dues" at a power program and with a power schedule. It just so happens that lately, the SEC has had more of these types of players. In other words, a guy like Ray Rice can put a school like Rutgers on the map for a while, giving other prospects there more exposure and airtime. That doesn't necessarily make them as good as players from big schools. Would we rather have a center in the 5th round from Boise State or from Florida State?
Hope that came out better.
Edit: Also to your point Gipper, look at the SEC schools we've drafted from. I'd take a guy from Florida or Bama over a guy from MsState or Vanderbilt almost every time (no offense to Vandy fans, screw State).
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