REAL Browns fans answer a question please
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I would say that grudge is still there.
IMO: It cost the city of Cleveland a SB trophy. As fans we knew that the browns were getting close to pulling the trigger and accomplishing getting to the SB. There was still a lot of veteran players that made up the nucleous of the Ravens roster the year they won it all.
So if you ask me if I like Baltimore, Hell No!
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Gipper, I realize the lease was an issue and played into the reasoning for allowing Cleveland to keep the Browns legacy. However; another theory that I have heard is that Modell was more than willing to drop the Browns name, as he knew that the team was named after it's first legendary coach, and wanted to distance himself from Paul Brown's name all together.
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Schmodell and his stinkin stench will never be forgiven.
He doesn't deserve anything. And Ben Rapistburger doesn't deserve an honorary teaching degree and a job
coaching women's sports just because he did do some good things on the field in the NFL.
It's steeler week. Why does a fan of the dirty, stupid, stinkin ratbirds bring up sleazeball schmodell? Forget him, he's trash.
Oh, btw, I will always hold a grudge about losing our team for a while. It's a good question: "Why didn't the Baltimore Colt fans
demand their team back, like we Browns fans did?"
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Good question.. with me it's not simple, but I am over the move. My resentments lie elsewhere....
1) My opinion is that the NFL should never have put the new Browns and Ratbirds in the same division. We Browns fans are reminded of Modell's betrayal twice per year.
2) I never harbored a grudge against Baltimore fans, as you guys got screwed over by Irsay. The NFL should have awarded you guys a franchise, but went with Jacksonville instead....I wonder if our buddy Art had any influence on that, who knows..
3) It's also ironic that Irsay's Colts actually screwed us over as well, by lying down vs. another carpetbagger team, the Tennessee Titans in 2007's last game. Yes, the Browns lost to Cincy & Arizona down the stretch, but as a Colts season ticket holder, you pay for a major league ticket (P Manning), and instead you get minor league (Sorgi).
4) I'm assuming you've adopted the Ravens, but it can't be comfortable. I say they belong in the AFC East, but hell, who cares right? The NFL gave us our history & colors, along with a bitch-slap having to play you guys twice.
5) Damn, maybe I'm not as over this as I thought!!!!
I agree with all but one of your points and that being the first one. I like the fact that the Browns and Ravens are in the same division. As far as the betrayal. Modell is no longer the owner with the exception of a minute share of the team. Furthermore, there are no players left on the Ravens from that former Browns team. All in all, you and I are on the same page. As to the bitch slap that the NFL gave us... I gues I feel they screwed us in waiting until last minute to name Lerner/Policy as the ownership group, and the fact they gave us jack shit for a free agent pool. Maybe they did it on purpose?? I mean, Modell was respected by all of the other owners, and in fact only 2 voted against the move. Maybe the NFL slapped us in the face as payback for the fuss that we as fans made??? If that is the case, too bad. I'm sorry, but one thing you don't do is f*** with Cleveland, or NE Ohio, and not expect a major backlash! We are a scrappy bunch here in NE Ohio.
I agree with all but one of your points and that being the first one. I like the fact that the Browns and Ravens are in the same division. As far as the betrayal. Modell is no longer the owner with the exception of a minute share of the team. Furthermore, there are no players left on the Ravens from that former Browns team. All in all, you and I are on the same page. As to the bitch slap that the NFL gave us... I gues I feel they screwed us in waiting until last minute to name Lerner/Policy as the ownership group, and the fact they gave us jack shit for a free agent pool. Maybe they did it on purpose?? I mean, Modell was respected by all of the other owners, and in fact only 2 voted against the move.
Hardly. The owners voted for the "move" because it came as a result of the brokered deal that was made between the NFL, the two cities, and Modell. It was their respect for Tagliabue and his efforts to obtain a settlement they had respect for, not Modell. The couple of negative votes were essentially token votes both in support of Cleveland. (one was Ralph Wilson, I believe the other was either Dan Rooney or Al Davis)
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Since I am younger my question to everyone is this: Is the new browns "The Browns" or is the old browns (Ravens) always gonna be the same franchise you connected to in the past?
Predicted Records:2010: 8-82011: 8-82012: 9-72013: 5-112014: 6-10 -
Hardly. The owners voted for the "move" because it came as a result of the brokered deal that was made between the NFL, the two cities, and Modell. It was their respect for Tagliabue and his efforts to obtain a settlement they had respect for, not Modell. The couple of negative votes were essentially token votes both in support of Cleveland. (one was Ralph Wilson, I believe the other was either Dan Rooney or Al Davis)
It was Rooney. The Steelers were pissed about killing the Browns Steelers rivalry. And rightfully so!
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Since I am younger my question to everyone is this: Is the new browns "The Browns" or is the old browns (Ravens) always gonna be the same franchise you connected to in the past?
Since I am younger my question to everyone is this: Is the new browns "The Browns" or is the old browns (Ravens) always gonna be the same franchise you connected to in the past?
The new Browns are the Browns, and the Ravens are the Ravens, period. We kept the name history and colors. Unfortunately the new Browns can't seem to tie to the great past of the Cleveland Browns which was WINNING! I'm hoping that we finally got it right by bringing in Holmgren.
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Since I am younger my question to everyone is this: Is the new browns "The Browns" or is the old browns (Ravens) always gonna be the same franchise you connected to in the past?
Since I am younger my question to everyone is this: Is the new browns "The Browns" or is the old browns (Ravens) always gonna be the same franchise you connected to in the past?
OYY. Come on Man! There is no such thing as new or old Browns. There has NEVER been a change in the franchise.
The Ravens were a new franchise established in 1996. Ownership of that was granted to Modell (who did in fact pay a pretty hefty sum to the other NFL owners for the privilege), plus he did take some personell with him there...front office people mostly and some players....but not the coaching staff.
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Since I am younger my question to everyone is this: Is the new browns "The Browns" or is the old browns (Ravens) always gonna be the same franchise you connected to in the past?
OYY. Come on Man! There is no such thing as new or old Browns. There has NEVER been a change in the franchise.
The Ravens were a new franchise established in 1996. Ownership of that was granted to Modell (who did in fact pay a pretty hefty sum to the other NFL owners for the privilege), plus he did take some personell with him there...front office people mostly and some players....but not the coaching staff.
OYY. Come on Man! There is no such thing as new or old Browns. There has NEVER been a change in the franchise.
The Ravens were a new franchise established in 1996. Ownership of that was granted to Modell (who did in fact pay a pretty hefty sum to the other NFL owners for the privilege), plus he did take some personell with him there...front office people mostly and some players....but not the coaching staff.
That is exactly the way I look at it. And that is the way it is. When Modell shed the Browns name, none of the records associated to the Cleveland Browns are in anyway, shape or form connected or shared with the Baltimore Ravens. All of that is attached to the new regime. As it should be. It's almost like when an owner sells the team.
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I tried to imagine if that happened to the Steelers...
There would be no way I'd ever get over, never forget the agony of loosing a team, nor would I stop harboring hatred to whoever moves the team.
The Rooney's wouldn't do that, the thought is too frightening to even think. It would be as surreal as Mr. Rogers chasing after you with a baseball bat.
One shinning thing would be the immense joy of getting a team back though
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I tried to imagine if that happened to the Steelers...
There would be no way I'd ever get over, never forget the agony of loosing a team, nor would I stop harboring hatred to whoever moves the team.
The Rooney's wouldn't do that, the thought is too frightening to even think. It would be as surreal as Mr. Rogers chasing after you with a baseball bat.
One shinning thing would be the immense joy of getting a team back though
YAH!!!Go 'Lers said:
I tried to imagine if that happened to the Steelers...There would be no way I'd ever get over, never forget the agony of loosing a team, nor would I stop harboring hatred to whoever moves the team.
The Rooney's wouldn't do that, the thought is too frightening to even think. It would be as surreal as Mr. Rogers chasing after you with a baseball bat.
One shinning thing would be the immense joy of getting a team back though
YAH!!!And trust me we felt that joy here. Just disappointed that 11 years later we're still struggling. I mean, there is progress, but the previous coaching and front offices really screwed up on the drafts IMO! Who would have ever thought that the Browns would have ever moved?! You know, as much as I don't like the Steelers, I wouldn't wish that on you, and like you guys, as a Browns fan I'd be pretty pissed too, because of the rivalry aspect.
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Modell is A-OK in my book. It was fun when he was the owner of the Browns because they were competitive. Cleveland built a new baseball stadium and a basketball arena but did not want to build a football stadium (and this is supposed to be a football town.)
The colts did leave Baltimore for Indy and won a Super Bowl and are successful year after year. The browns left Cleveland AKA the Ravens under Modell and won a Super Bowl and are competitive year after year.
The only team that never became competitive is the Browns.
Cleveland showed Modell the door. What was he supposed to do?
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Since I am younger my question to everyone is this: Is the new browns "The Browns" or is the old browns (Ravens) always gonna be the same franchise you connected to in the past?
OYY. Come on Man! There is no such thing as new or old Browns. There has NEVER been a change in the franchise.
The Ravens were a new franchise established in 1996. Ownership of that was granted to Modell (who did in fact pay a pretty hefty sum to the other NFL owners for the privilege), plus he did take some personell with him there...front office people mostly and some players....but not the coaching staff.
OYY. Come on Man! There is no such thing as new or old Browns. There has NEVER been a change in the franchise.
The Ravens were a new franchise established in 1996. Ownership of that was granted to Modell (who did in fact pay a pretty hefty sum to the other NFL owners for the privilege), plus he did take some personell with him there...front office people mostly and some players....but not the coaching staff.
Ive just heard so many testimonies from fans saying "Yeah this is the Browns but it felt so different before they left. It doesn't feel like the same team."
Predicted Records:2010: 8-82011: 8-82012: 9-72013: 5-112014: 6-10 -
OYY. Come on Man! There is no such thing as new or old Browns. There has NEVER been a change in the franchise.
The Ravens were a new franchise established in 1996. Ownership of that was granted to Modell (who did in fact pay a pretty hefty sum to the other NFL owners for the privilege), plus he did take some personell with him there...front office people mostly and some players....but not the coaching staff.
Ive just heard so many testimonies from fans saying "Yeah this is the Browns but it felt so different before they left. It doesn't feel like the same team."
Ive just heard so many testimonies from fans saying "Yeah this is the Browns but it felt so different before they left. It doesn't feel like the same team."
It doesn't feel like the same team, because of the lack of success.
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Ive just heard so many testimonies from fans saying "Yeah this is the Browns but it felt so different before they left. It doesn't feel like the same team."
It doesn't feel like the same team, because of the lack of success.
It doesn't feel like the same team, because of the lack of success.
Well when I ask the usual suspect why it doesn't feel the same, the average reply is "New stadium which is sterile and doesn't have the feel of the old one. No more white face masks, different looking uniforms, and overall attitude of the team"
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Zombo said:
No we will never get over it.And no he never belongs in the Hall of Fame. It doesn't matter what wonderful things you did for the game of football if you are guilty of the worst thing was ever done in the game of football. Moving the Clevlenad Browns out of Cleveland was a sin so egregious that it is a joke for him to even be considered for the Hall. Burn in hell, Art.
Zombo
Yea, its like saying "So and so is a good man. He was a good father, a good husband, a good businessman..but there was just that little matter of a homicide he committed. He should be given a break for that, shouldn't he?" Like this guy:
Yea, its like saying "So and so is a good man. He was a good father, a good husband, a good businessman..but there was just that little matter of a homicide he committed. He should be given a break for that, shouldn't he?" Like this guy:
Are you talking about Ray Lewis? ; )
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Modell is A-OK in my book. It was fun when he was the owner of the Browns because they were competitive. Cleveland built a new baseball stadium and a basketball arena but did not want to build a football stadium (and this is supposed to be a football town.)
The colts did leave Baltimore for Indy and won a Super Bowl and are successful year after year. The browns left Cleveland AKA the Ravens under Modell and won a Super Bowl and are competitive year after year.
The only team that never became competitive is the Browns.
Cleveland showed Modell the door. What was he supposed to do?
Modell is A-OK in my book. It was fun when he was the owner of the Browns because they were competitive. Cleveland built a new baseball stadium and a basketball arena but did not want to build a football stadium (and this is supposed to be a football town.)
The colts did leave Baltimore for Indy and won a Super Bowl and are successful year after year. The browns left Cleveland AKA the Ravens under Modell and won a Super Bowl and are competitive year after year.
The only team that never became competitive is the Browns.
Cleveland showed Modell the door. What was he supposed to do?
Jesus Christ, another troll???!!!
WTF are you talking about???? The Browns are the #1 sports team in Cleveland. Always have been, always will. They sell out no matter what. You cannot make the same case for the Indians and Cavs! When they suck nobody goes. Watch what happens to the Cavs when they struggle. OK, so it's been awhile since anyone in Cleveland has won anything but here is a list of the last championship by team:
Browns 1964
Indians 1948
Cavs... never
The Browns have had a lot more success since 1964 than the other 2. Aside from the run in the 90s and in 2007, the Indians have been horrible. The Cavs have been good the past few years, and they have fared better recently, but I can guarantee you the excitement that this city had for the Cavs will be NOTHING compared to when the Browns get back to being a contender. That I can promise you. It was absolutely ELECTRIC in this town from 1985-1989!
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Ok, but here is a question.
Why isn't the same venom hurled at the Irsay family? Why wasn't Baltimore guaranteed to get it's team back by the NFL, the way Cleveland was? Why isn't the Irsay name drug across the floor the way Mr. Modell's is? And, if Al Davis is in the Hall of Fame, why exclude Mr. Modell?
That's your problem ... we took care of our business.
That's your problem ... we took care of our business.
That said it. Browns fans fought for the bane colors history.
I'm pretty sure that art had his run ins with the NFL's old guard ownership too. I don't think they supported him with his move as much as they wanted to protect their own right to move.
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Modell is A-OK in my book. It was fun when he was the owner of the Browns because they were competitive. Cleveland built a new baseball stadium and a basketball arena but did not want to build a football stadium (and this is supposed to be a football town.)
The colts did leave Baltimore for Indy and won a Super Bowl and are successful year after year. The browns left Cleveland AKA the Ravens under Modell and won a Super Bowl and are competitive year after year.
The only team that never became competitive is the Browns.
Cleveland showed Modell the door. What was he supposed to do?
Jesus Christ, another troll???!!!
WTF are you talking about???? The Browns are the #1 sports team in Cleveland. Always have been, always will. They sell out no matter what. You cannot make the same case for the Indians and Cavs! When they suck nobody goes. Watch what happens to the Cavs when they struggle. OK, so it's been awhile since anyone in Cleveland has won anything but here is a list of the last championship by team:
Browns 1964
Indians 1948
Cavs... never
The Browns have had a lot more success since 1964 than the other 2. Aside from the run in the 90s and in 2007, the Indians have been horrible. The Cavs have been good the past few years, and they have fared better recently, but I can guarantee you the excitement that this city had for the Cavs will be NOTHING compared to when the Browns get back to being a contender. That I can promise you. It was absolutely ELECTRIC in this town from 1985-1989!
you did not want to build a stadium for the Browns. Modell left and won a Super Bowl.
Jesus Christ, another troll???!!!
WTF are you talking about???? The Browns are the #1 sports team in Cleveland. Always have been, always will. They sell out no matter what. You cannot make the same case for the Indians and Cavs! When they suck nobody goes. Watch what happens to the Cavs when they struggle. OK, so it's been awhile since anyone in Cleveland has won anything but here is a list of the last championship by team:
Browns 1964
Indians 1948
Cavs... never
The Browns have had a lot more success since 1964 than the other 2. Aside from the run in the 90s and in 2007, the Indians have been horrible. The Cavs have been good the past few years, and they have fared better recently, but I can guarantee you the excitement that this city had for the Cavs will be NOTHING compared to when the Browns get back to being a contender. That I can promise you. It was absolutely ELECTRIC in this town from 1985-1989!
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Browns fans will not forget what modell did. If he is voted into the hall of fame it will be a nasty situation in canton for the induction.
I do believe that the mayor of cleveland is also very guilty of what happened though. The mayor refused to do anything regarding a new stadium because there was a rule that said the nfl would not move a team that was being supported. Because of this the mayor felt he held all the cards and wouldn't deal with modell.
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