Head-to-Head Hits & New Rule Discussion
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free td? explain how a wide open receiver gives us a free td
Woodley was held and pulled down by his jersey. By rule thats a holding penalty. The refs ignored it and gave you guys the free td.
Woodley was held and pulled down by his jersey. By rule thats a holding penalty. The refs ignored it and gave you guys the free td.
Defiantly a Hold... But NOT One Holding Call all day on Browns correct ?
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I don't think anyone is arguing about hitting helmet to helmet. We're just pissed we get called for the penalty when twice you guys didn't.
I don't think anyone is arguing about hitting helmet to helmet. We're just pissed we get called for the penalty when twice you guys didn't.
and honestly, i don't think you guys shouldn't have been penalized. it sucks and you got the short end of the stick.
Harrison's hit on Massaquoi could have been flagged. The one on Cribbs would only be flagged if you thought he was leading with the crown. Cribbs was not a defenseless receiver. Massaquoi was.
the reason it wasn't is because harrison "initiated" contact with his shoulder and then immediately slid into his head. this is actually in the rulebook.
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I don't think anyone is arguing about hitting helmet to helmet. We're just pissed we get called for the penalty when twice you guys didn't.
and honestly, i don't think you guys shouldn't have been penalized. it sucks and you got the short end of the stick.
Harrison's hit on Massaquoi could have been flagged. The one on Cribbs would only be flagged if you thought he was leading with the crown. Cribbs was not a defenseless receiver. Massaquoi was.
the reason it wasn't is because harrison "initiated" contact with his shoulder and then immediately slid into his head. this is actually in the rulebook.
the reason it wasn't is because harrison "initiated" contact with his shoulder and then immediately slid into his head. this is actually in the rulebook.
That's exactly what happened in the Ward hit (one flag and $15K ago).
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the reason it wasn't is because harrison "initiated" contact with his shoulder and then immediately slid into his head. this is actually in the rulebook.
That's exactly what happened in the Ward hit (one flag and $15K ago).
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LOOK MOM, NO HANDS!
BS ...he was Running through the Play ... Cribbs had ducked to Impact a Tackler and Harrison was going Down low to take him out . Unfortunate incident. And Anteater HARRISON Could get hurt as well if he runs around using his Helmet to tackle all the Time. You must have never played. Helmets hits happen to Every player several time a Game. Going back to Jr High I remember the Hit to the dome. Seriously man...
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More "deep football discussion", I see.
I could be wrong, but helmet to helmet hits aren't generally called on running plays, otherwise there would be 50 penalties a game.
But hey - don't let me interfere with your "deep football discussion". I can't wait until your next nugget of sheer football brilliance.
Regards...
... an'at
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(edit - ANTEATERS or someone replaced my original post with a pic of Cribbs getting carted off or something. Pretty lame IMO, but I guess frustration takes it's toll on the simple minded.)
More "deep football discussion", I see.
I could be wrong, but helmet to helmet hits aren't generally called on running plays, otherwise there would be 50 penalties a game.
But hey - don't let me interfere with your "deep football discussion". I can't wait until your next nugget of sheer football brilliance.
Regards...
... an'at
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(edit - ANTEATERS or someone replaced my original post with a pic of Cribbs getting carted off or something. Pretty lame IMO, but I guess frustration takes it's toll on the simple minded.)
Actually if the Player has ball and is Running... there is NO RULE of Helmet to Helmet Hit. It Happens all the Time. I remember mendenhall last yr Getting Jacked up like 2 plays in a Row vs. Baltimore.
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LOOK MOM, NO HANDS!
BS ...he was Running through the Play ... Cribbs had ducked to Impact a Tackler and Harrison was going Down low to take him out . Unfortunate incident. And Anteater HARRISON Could get hurt as well if he runs around using his Helmet to tackle all the Time. You must have never played. Helmets hits happen to Every player several time a Game. Going back to Jr High I remember the Hit to the dome. Seriously man...
BS ...he was Running through the Play ... Cribbs had ducked to Impact a Tackler and Harrison was going Down low to take him out . Unfortunate incident. And Anteater HARRISON Could get hurt as well if he runs around using his Helmet to tackle all the Time. You must have never played. Helmets hits happen to Every player several time a Game. Going back to Jr High I remember the Hit to the dome. Seriously man...
i KNOW none of these guys have played who are bitching about this hit. the one on their WR was close, but Harrison DID initiate contact with his shoulder and THEN slid up. not a penalty.
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
BS ...he was Running through the Play ... Cribbs had ducked to Impact a Tackler and Harrison was going Down low to take him out . Unfortunate incident. And Anteater HARRISON Could get hurt as well if he runs around using his Helmet to tackle all the Time. You must have never played. Helmets hits happen to Every player several time a Game. Going back to Jr High I remember the Hit to the dome. Seriously man...
i KNOW none of these guys have played who are bitching about this hit. the one on their WR was close, but Harrison DID initiate contact with his shoulder and THEN slid up. not a penalty.
i KNOW none of these guys have played who are bitching about this hit. the one on their WR was close, but Harrison DID initiate contact with his shoulder and THEN slid up. not a penalty.
Yes...but even THAT Hit Mass... was hauling in the ball... do you let him Catch it and Blow by you ?? No your Taught from Pee Wee to Jack that Dude up as he is trying to Gain control.... SEPARATE THE BALL> How many have had a Coach Screaming that at you as a Kid ??
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NO flags either? On both hits he was making his body like a spear. If he was to break his neck someday for what he is doing out there, It would be hard to feel sorry for him.
Maybe its because he is coached by some of the dumbest coaches in the sport of football who praise hits like that.
A spear is hitting with the tip top of your helmet. The only way that's possible is if the tackler's entire body is completely paralell to the ground. That's why it's called a spear, becuase your body is laid on and straight like a spear. Otherwise, the hit would be much closer to the facemask or forehead area....The name literally describes how the hit has to happen and you still get it wrong.....
A spear is hitting with the tip top of your helmet. The only way that's possible is if the tackler's entire body is completely paralell to the ground. That's why it's called a spear, becuase your body is laid on and straight like a spear. Otherwise, the hit would be much closer to the facemask or forehead area....The name literally describes how the hit has to happen and you still get it wrong.....
exactly
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i KNOW none of these guys have played who are bitching about this hit. the one on their WR was close, but Harrison DID initiate contact with his shoulder and THEN slid up. not a penalty.
Yes...but even THAT Hit Mass... was hauling in the ball... do you let him Catch it and Blow by you ?? No your Taught from Pee Wee to Jack that Dude up as he is trying to Gain control.... SEPARATE THE BALL> How many have had a Coach Screaming that at you as a Kid ??
Yes...but even THAT Hit Mass... was hauling in the ball... do you let him Catch it and Blow by you ?? No your Taught from Pee Wee to Jack that Dude up as he is trying to Gain control.... SEPARATE THE BALL> How many have had a Coach Screaming that at you as a Kid ??
Again...TJ Ward.
Expect a fine.
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Yes...but even THAT Hit Mass... was hauling in the ball... do you let him Catch it and Blow by you ?? No your Taught from Pee Wee to Jack that Dude up as he is trying to Gain control.... SEPARATE THE BALL> How many have had a Coach Screaming that at you as a Kid ??
Again...TJ Ward.
Expect a fine.
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sorry to break your "we would've won if the steelers weren't cheating" theory, but this also happened earlier to a QB and said after he tucks the ball he is considered a RB and helmet to helmet hits don't apply.
this is what happens when you run the "wildfag" offense.
sorry to break your "we would've won if the steelers weren't cheating" theory, but this also happened earlier to a QB and said after he tucks the ball he is considered a RB and helmet to helmet hits don't apply.
this is what happens when you run the "wildfag" offense.
Exactly... The Best defense around PUNISH People. And the Browns would be smart to Follow suit. TJ Ward is exactly that kinda player.... A few more like Him... and Offenses will Fear operating on You guys too.
Also... Cribs WAY to Valuable to have him Doing these plays. Get him the Ball in Space. For ALL he did LAST Yr in Cleveland the Browns had 13 points THIRTEEN !!! If you D gives up 13 point you should win the game. Cribbs too good to Risk life and Limb in the WildDawg ...dumb gimmick offense. Play NFL Football.
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Yes...but even THAT Hit Mass... was hauling in the ball... do you let him Catch it and Blow by you ?? No your Taught from Pee Wee to Jack that Dude up as he is trying to Gain control.... SEPARATE THE BALL> How many have had a Coach Screaming that at you as a Kid ??
Again...TJ Ward.
Expect a fine.
Again...TJ Ward.
Expect a fine.
NO Fine... Massiq ?? hmmm... Maybe but probably Not. Cribbs NO WAY . Hes a Runningback at that Point. And Runningback are NOT A Protected species in the NFL !!
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Are you Steeler fems dumbshits or are you just trying to see how many posts you can rattle off? If it isn't obvious to you yet, Browns fans are mostly pointing out the fact that TJ Wrad seperated Shipley from the football on a pass into the end zone. He hammered Shipley with his shoulder. It happened in a bam-bam type of play and was Wards job to seperate the football from the receiver. Ward was flagged (half the distance to the goal, Firstdown for the Bengals) and was fined $15,000 for the hit. Harrison's hit on MoMass was no different, in fact Harrison had much more time to react on the play and elected to take a power-forearm rip directly toward MoMass' head ... on the heels of leading with his helmet and only his helmet on a QB (yes, a WildDawg QB).
Harrison should receive no less than $15,000, such as Ward did. Ward knocked one guy out and received an unsportsman like conduct penalty and fine. Harrison knocked two guys, no penalty, no fine (yet) and bragged and boasted about it to the press (even though one was an college teammate).
No one is asking to put a dress on anyone, just call the game and hits the same.
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Are you Steeler fems dumbshits or are you just trying to see how many posts you can rattle off? If it isn't obvious to you yet, Browns fans are mostly pointing out the fact that TJ Wrad seperated Shipley from the football on a pass into the end zone. He hammered Shipley with his shoulder. It happened in a bam-bam type of play and was Wards job to seperate the football from the receiver. Ward was flagged (half the distance to the goal, Firstdown for the Bengals) and was fined $15,000 for the hit. Harrison's hit on MoMass was no different, in fact Harrison had much more time to react on the play and elected to take a power-forearm rip directly toward MoMass' head ... on the heels of leading with his helmet and only his helmet on a QB (yes, a WildDawg QB).
Harrison should receive no less than $15,000, such as Ward did. Ward knocked one guy out and received an unsportsman like conduct penalty and fine. Harrison knocked two guys, no penalty, no fine (yet) and bragged and boasted about it to the press (even though one was an college teammate).
No one is asking to put a dress on anyone, just call the game and hits the same.
Are you Steeler fems dumbshits or are you just trying to see how many posts you can rattle off? If it isn't obvious to you yet, Browns fans are mostly pointing out the fact that TJ Wrad seperated Shipley from the football on a pass into the end zone. He hammered Shipley with his shoulder. It happened in a bam-bam type of play and was Wards job to seperate the football from the receiver. Ward was flagged (half the distance to the goal, Firstdown for the Bengals) and was fined $15,000 for the hit. Harrison's hit on MoMass was no different, in fact Harrison had much more time to react on the play and elected to take a power-forearm rip directly toward MoMass' head ... on the heels of leading with his helmet and only his helmet on a QB (yes, a WildDawg QB).
Harrison should receive no less than $15,000, such as Ward did. Ward knocked one guy out and received an unsportsman like conduct penalty and fine. Harrison knocked two guys, no penalty, no fine (yet) and bragged and boasted about it to the press (even though one was an college teammate).
No one is asking to put a dress on anyone, just call the game and hits the same.
EXTREME inconsistency on this in the NFL. However ... The Browns player HAD The Ball and were Running at the Time . Different rules apply ATenears.... OK MAYBE MoMass Didnt have total Possession but he was about to. Wards hit was almost Instantaneous to the ball arriving... its not quit Apples to Apples. Though personally I didnt have Issue with the Shipley Hit....its FOOTBALL. These guys know whats coming.
Again... Cribbs was literally a RB at the Time he was hit ...Unfortunate timing for him. And MoMass ... close... Maybe maybe you have a case there. I aint sure though.
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It sucks. But the extra set of Downs plus 30 probably wouldn't have changed the final outcome of the game. Im just happy with what I saw from Colt.
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Are you Steeler fems dumbshits or are you just trying to see how many posts you can rattle off? If it isn't obvious to you yet, Browns fans are mostly pointing out the fact that TJ Wrad seperated Shipley from the football on a pass into the end zone. He hammered Shipley with his shoulder. It happened in a bam-bam type of play and was Wards job to seperate the football from the receiver. Ward was flagged (half the distance to the goal, Firstdown for the Bengals) and was fined $15,000 for the hit. Harrison's hit on MoMass was no different, in fact Harrison had much more time to react on the play and elected to take a power-forearm rip directly toward MoMass' head ... on the heels of leading with his helmet and only his helmet on a QB (yes, a WildDawg QB).
Harrison should receive no less than $15,000, such as Ward did. Ward knocked one guy out and received an unsportsman like conduct penalty and fine. Harrison knocked two guys, no penalty, no fine (yet) and bragged and boasted about it to the press (even though one was an college teammate).
No one is asking to put a dress on anyone, just call the game and hits the same.
Are you Steeler fems dumbshits or are you just trying to see how many posts you can rattle off? If it isn't obvious to you yet, Browns fans are mostly pointing out the fact that TJ Wrad seperated Shipley from the football on a pass into the end zone. He hammered Shipley with his shoulder. It happened in a bam-bam type of play and was Wards job to seperate the football from the receiver. Ward was flagged (half the distance to the goal, Firstdown for the Bengals) and was fined $15,000 for the hit. Harrison's hit on MoMass was no different, in fact Harrison had much more time to react on the play and elected to take a power-forearm rip directly toward MoMass' head ... on the heels of leading with his helmet and only his helmet on a QB (yes, a WildDawg QB).
Harrison should receive no less than $15,000, such as Ward did. Ward knocked one guy out and received an unsportsman like conduct penalty and fine. Harrison knocked two guys, no penalty, no fine (yet) and bragged and boasted about it to the press (even though one was an college teammate).
No one is asking to put a dress on anyone, just call the game and hits the same.
Nonsense.
The Rooney's pay good money for favoritism from the refs.
What's the world coming to when you can't grease a couple of union guys?
Regards...
... an'at
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That's completely untrue. They showed the clips of the hit by the Falcons player on Jackson of the Eagles, then the clip of the helmet shot on Todd Heap, and also the hit by Harrison on Massaquoi. Then the question was asked, what can the league do to stop these hits on guys or does something need to be done. Harrisons words were that fines don't matter and they don't hurt, what hurts is when a player is suspended and these players need to be suspended for at least one game if not two games.
Tony Dungy agreed with Harrison that there needs to be suspensions. I suppose if you live with your head up your ass like you do, you would just assume that they were only talking about the other two hits and not the one that included the Steelers player. It would seem to me that if the Harrison hit wasn't as bad (as steeler fans have claimed) then they wouldn't include it with the other two hits to the head in the games today.
Keep living in denial...all I did was report exactly what was said during the NBC pregame show. If I was going to make things up, I would've said that they also have talked about the Cribbs it, but it was not mentioned and I even did hear on other games that the helmet to helmet hit does not exist on running plays.
Neither of them specifically mention either the hit on Heap or Harrison's hit. they were speaking in general terms. Nothingyou can quote them saying has them talking specifically about the two hits they played to open the segments.
You also convienently left out the part were both Dungy and Harrison said helmet hits aren't intentionally done to injure, they are just how the are tought that make them happen so often. Your certianly remeber the part when Harrison said defenders start out aim at the chest to knock the ball out and naturally raise up a few inches making the hit at the hemet. And the part were Dungy confirmed players are tought to seperate the ball from the player. I just can't figure out why you would leave that part out.
I never denied they said they both said suspensions are more effect then small fines. Hec, I even said that in my response so that right there is off topic criticism.
Neither of them specifically mention either the hit on Heap or Harrison's hit. they were speaking in general terms. Nothingyou can quote them saying has them talking specifically about the two hits they played to open the segments.
You also convienently left out the part were both Dungy and Harrison said helmet hits aren't intentionally done to injure, they are just how the are tought that make them happen so often. Your certianly remeber the part when Harrison said defenders start out aim at the chest to knock the ball out and naturally raise up a few inches making the hit at the hemet. And the part were Dungy confirmed players are tought to seperate the ball from the player. I just can't figure out why you would leave that part out.
I never denied they said they both said suspensions are more effect then small fines. Hec, I even said that in my response so that right there is off topic criticism.
Never said it was done with intent to injure....they were speaking on general terms after showing 3 replays one of which included Harrisons hit. One could use some deductive reasoning that those were 3 hits to the helmet that should result in suspensions becuase fines don't mean anything to the players.
It should've been flagged and wasn't and I'm quite sure that Harrison will be fined this week. I would be shocked if he gets suspended though.
All you steeler homos are saying it's just part of the game and it was clearly stated by a former NFL player that those hits are not part of the game. They happen, but they also need to protect the players as much as possible.
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Neither of them specifically mention either the hit on Heap or Harrison's hit. they were speaking in general terms. Nothingyou can quote them saying has them talking specifically about the two hits they played to open the segments.
You also convienently left out the part were both Dungy and Harrison said helmet hits aren't intentionally done to injure, they are just how the are tought that make them happen so often. Your certianly remeber the part when Harrison said defenders start out aim at the chest to knock the ball out and naturally raise up a few inches making the hit at the hemet. And the part were Dungy confirmed players are tought to seperate the ball from the player. I just can't figure out why you would leave that part out.
I never denied they said they both said suspensions are more effect then small fines. Hec, I even said that in my response so that right there is off topic criticism.
Never said it was done with intent to injure....they were speaking on general terms after showing 3 replays one of which included Harrisons hit. One could use some deductive reasoning that those were 3 hits to the helmet that should result in suspensions becuase fines don't mean anything to the players.
It should've been flagged and wasn't and I'm quite sure that Harrison will be fined this week. I would be shocked if he gets suspended though.
All you steeler homos are saying it's just part of the game and it was clearly stated by a former NFL player that those hits are not part of the game. They happen, but they also need to protect the players as much as possible.
Never said it was done with intent to injure....they were speaking on general terms after showing 3 replays one of which included Harrisons hit. One could use some deductive reasoning that those were 3 hits to the helmet that should result in suspensions becuase fines don't mean anything to the players.
It should've been flagged and wasn't and I'm quite sure that Harrison will be fined this week. I would be shocked if he gets suspended though.
All you steeler homos are saying it's just part of the game and it was clearly stated by a former NFL player that those hits are not part of the game. They happen, but they also need to protect the players as much as possible.
ONLY The MoMass hit is in question. If Fine happens there , i can sort of see that. But I still think its all sissified. Play Football.
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The reason why it should've been flagged and why it will probably be fined is the new rule that they're protecting the defenseless receivers a lot more this year and Massaquoi was completely defenseless at the point of contact and he was hit in the head.
It's the same reason why Ward was penalized and fined for his hit on shipley....he didn't hit with his head, he hit Shipley with a shoulder, but Shipley was defenseless and he was hit in the head.
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