Head-to-Head Hits & New Rule Discussion
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Formerly Stone said:
The NFL will dance around it until someone dies on the field and then they will still try to avoid it but it has to be fixed.The reason these vicious (yet legal) hits are causing more damage is because players are getting bigger, faster, and stronger every year thanks to the blind eye the NFL turns on HGH and steroids.
The NFL pretends it's anything and everything else.....they change the rules, they bring in doctors who say "oh it's always been like this, we just never paid attention to it before" BULL SHIT!
Harrison is a mean mother xxxxer and he is just one of hundreds of guys out there who can inflict serious damage because the NFL wants these guys to be freaks of nature........it makes them money!
It's pretty simple really. They have been teaching the kids to not lower their head at impact, and to keep their head up when tackling for the past 25 years, seriously focusing on it for the past 15 years. So, when a player does it in the NFL, such as Harrison did yesterday, then why don't they flag for it for the safety of the tackler as much as the ball carrier? If you can't hit a QB in the helmet, and can't hit a defenless receiver in the head, then why allow a helmet shot to a RB from the side, such as Harrison also did yesterday? Harrison lead with the helmet in the shot on Cribbs, in fact, that is all he lead with. He used the helmet as a battering ram, and that is what they need to get away from and discourage.
Back in the day even with leather helmets players wouldn't do that because it would knock them both out. So, putting better technology and cushion into the helmet obviously isn't the answer because then that force would equate into the spinal cord. Limiting these hits is the answer and Harrison, although hard to defer in the haet of the moment in a split-second hit, should have been pentalized, should be fine and they need to start suspending these players as it happens in almost every game played still.
I'm all for the big hits, and I understand that many times there is no avoiding it in a split second occurence. However, stop the launching and spearing with the facemask toward the ground (see Harrison on Cribbs) first and foremost. T.J. Wards hit on Shipley was timing on the ball. The ball was caught just below the face mask and Ward but a should in a fraction of a second into that same area because he wsa taught to seperate the ball from the receiver. I can accept that hit, even as violent as it was ... although to the head. I think it was unavoidable. However, Harrison dove head first, using his head as a battering ram, facemask down, lead with his head, had the time to do otherwise, etc ... these are the types of hits they need to curb for the sake of both players.
Harrison's hit on Cribbs should be the poster-child for new rules on such hits ... and not necessarily Wards hit on Shipley which was penatlized and fined.
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Formerly Stone said:
The NFL will dance around it until someone dies on the field and then they will still try to avoid it but it has to be fixed.The reason these vicious (yet legal) hits are causing more damage is because players are getting bigger, faster, and stronger every year thanks to the blind eye the NFL turns on HGH and steroids.
The NFL pretends it's anything and everything else.....they change the rules, they bring in doctors who say "oh it's always been like this, we just never paid attention to it before" BULL SHIT!
Harrison is a mean mother xxxxer and he is just one of hundreds of guys out there who can inflict serious damage because the NFL wants these guys to be freaks of nature........it makes them money!
It's pretty simple really. They have been teaching the kids to not lower their head at impact, and to keep their head up when tackling for the past 25 years, seriously focusing on it for the past 15 years. So, when a player does it in the NFL, such as Harrison did yesterday, then why don't they flag for it for the safety of the tackler as much as the ball carrier? If you can't hit a QB in the helmet, and can't hit a defenless receiver in the head, then why allow a helmet shot to a RB from the side, such as Harrison also did yesterday? Harrison lead with the helmet in the shot on Cribbs, in fact, that is all he lead with. He used the helmet as a battering ram, and that is what they need to get away from and discourage.
Back in the day even with leather helmets players wouldn't do that because it would knock them both out. So, putting better technology and cushion into the helmet obviously isn't the answer because then that force would equate into the spinal cord. Limiting these hits is the answer and Harrison, although hard to defer in the haet of the moment in a split-second hit, should have been pentalized, should be fine and they need to start suspending these players as it happens in almost every game played still.
I'm all for the big hits, and I understand that many times there is no avoiding it in a split second occurence. However, stop the launching and spearing with the facemask toward the ground (see Harrison on Cribbs) first and foremost. T.J. Wards hit on Shipley was timing on the ball. The ball was caught just below the face mask and Ward but a should in a fraction of a second into that same area because he wsa taught to seperate the ball from the receiver. I can accept that hit, even as violent as it was ... although to the head. I think it was unavoidable. However, Harrison dove head first, using his head as a battering ram, facemask down, lead with his head, had the time to do otherwise, etc ... these are the types of hits they need to curb for the sake of both players.
Harrison's hit on Cribbs should be the poster-child for new rules on such hits ... and not necessarily Wards hit on Shipley which was penatlized and fined.
It's pretty simple really. They have been teaching the kids to not lower their head at impact, and to keep their head up when tackling for the past 25 years, seriously focusing on it for the past 15 years. So, when a player does it in the NFL, such as Harrison did yesterday, then why don't they flag for it for the safety of the tackler as much as the ball carrier? If you can't hit a QB in the helmet, and can't hit a defenless receiver in the head, then why allow a helmet shot to a RB from the side, such as Harrison also did yesterday? Harrison lead with the helmet in the shot on Cribbs, in fact, that is all he lead with. He used the helmet as a battering ram, and that is what they need to get away from and discourage.
If you see the tackle on DeSean Jackson by Dunta Robinson in the Eagles game last night, you can see the risk there is to the tackler aswell leading with the helmet, they all need to start tackling correctly before like you say someone breaks there neck doing what they continue to do at the moment
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RE: Did you think that was a penalty with Cribbs out?
"From where I was I couldn’t see the actual contact. There were people in front of me, but I couldn’t tell. They called it the way they called it. I didn’t have a great view of it."
RE: Did you ask for an explanation on either penalties?
"Both when they showed it, it felt like there was not a penalty, and that’s the way they called it." - Eric Mangini
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ok, i can't take it anymore.
they aren't gonna do anything about helmet to helmet hits because honestly.................................they shouldn't.
this IS a contact sport.
these players are paid more in one year than most americans make in 20yrs.
if they don't like it then leave the game.
you CAN say no to entering the NFL.
you CAN retire after your intitial contract.
you CAN decide for yourself if the risk of head injury is worth the reward of being paid millions to PLAY a game.
and you CAN not cry about it.
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
ok, i can't take it anymore.
they aren't gonna do anything about helmet to helmet hits because honestly.................................they shouldn't.
this IS a contact sport.
these players are paid more in one year than most americans make in 20yrs.
if they don't like it then leave the game.
you CAN say no to entering the NFL.
you CAN retire after your intitial contract.
you CAN decide for yourself if the risk of head injury is worth the reward of being paid millions to PLAY a game.
and you CAN not cry about it.
ok, i can't take it anymore.
they aren't gonna do anything about helmet to helmet hits because honestly.................................they shouldn't.
this IS a contact sport.
these players are paid more in one year than most americans make in 20yrs.
if they don't like it then leave the game.
you CAN say no to entering the NFL.
you CAN retire after your intitial contract.
you CAN decide for yourself if the risk of head injury is worth the reward of being paid millions to PLAY a game.
and you CAN not cry about it.
You are a damn fool if you don't think that the NFL would like to take away these head shot hits and that they shouldn't. Let's hope you don't have a son who stars in pee-wee football, stars at the Junior high level, is a top prospect in the state in High School, excells his Junior and Senior years, gets a great education and college experience at a D1 college playing the game he loves and 3 seasons into his pro contract some roided up piece of shit like Harrison, who weighs 80+ more pounds than him thansk to HGH, crushes his spinal cord while leading with his head to punch out a highlight reel for the week. While you are feeding your son through a straw and soothing his bed sores, you damn well better wish the NFL would have addressed this many moons ago.
Totally avoidable, Hell no, but leading with the head SUCH AS HARRISON DID should at least be pentalized for starters, receive a fine, and eventually suspended. You knock two guys out in the same quarter of a game and receive no pentalty is a damn shame ... only in Pittsburgh. Seriously, did you see the hit posted above? Did you see the immediate flags? That happens in EVERY game except to the Pittsburgh Roidfucklers.
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Formerly Stone said:
Absolutely! That's how we were all taught from grade school up but as long as the NFL turns a blind eye to HGH and steroids these guys will just keep getting bigger, faster, and stronger. You saw violent collisions a few times per week 20 years ago now you see them 20 times per game, every game.This has nothing to do with Harrison's legal hits yesterday, it's just an observation that has been growing more and more prevalent every year.
You support the team who is the poster-child for HGH, so your comments ring hollow.
Now you support the team's star player who is the poster child for rape.
Yet you still come here with the Wholly Art Thy smug attitude. You are paper thin in ethics, please don't try to teach.
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I can live with them not throwing the flag but if they'e not going to throw a flag on that but throw one and fine Ward for his hit on Shipley based on the severity of the hit, then you must be consistant and throw one on hits like Harrison's. If not on Cribbs than especially the one on Mo Mass. I saw the exact same play in the Eagles game and flags came from all angles. But Not when Harrison does it on an NFL no namer like Mo Mass. It's BS and it needs to be called everytime or not at all.
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Looks like it's only the Steelers fans who want to live in denial about the hits by Harrison yesterday, from SI's Peter King this morning:
Several shots in Pittsburgh, two vicious ones by James Harrison of the Steelers; his helmet-to-helmet shot against Browns receiver Mohamed Massaquoi will certainly draw a heavy fine, and it's incredible to me no official flagged what could be the textbook definition of hitting a defenseless receiver.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...p#ixzz12iRzYXj8
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Once again...it's not just Browns fans that are complaining about the hits to the head, including the two by Harrison yesterday:
Peter King's opening paragraph this morning:
NEW YORK -- "This is crazy!'' Rodney Harrison said as we tried to process the sixth or seventh vicious NFL hit of the day in the NBC viewing room Sunday afternoon.
Then, almost under his breath, Harrison said quietly, "Thank God I retired.''
The games we watched Sunday seemed as violent a collection as I've seen. Judging from the tweets and e-mails I got as the day went on, the public was astonished too. The Dunta Robinson collision with DeSean Jackson in Philadelphia, concussing both the Atlanta corner and Eagles receiver and probably kayoing the invaluable Jackson for Sunday's game at Tennessee. Several shots in Pittsburgh, two vicious ones by James Harrison of the Steelers; his helmet-to-helmet shot against Browns receiver Mohamed Massaquoi will certainly draw a heavy fine, and it's incredible to me no official flagged what could be the textbook definition of hitting a defenseless receiver. In New England, Brandon Meriweather lighting up Baltimore's Todd Heap with a hit to the head so vicious that either a mouthguard or something flew high into the air at the moment of impact. And so on -- six or eight shots where you wondered, "Is that guy getting up?''
So many thoughts. One: It's time to start ejecting and suspending players for flagrant hits, which I thought the Meriweather one was, and perhaps also the shot of Harrison on Massaquoi. Two: the league had better train its officials better considering there was no penalty on the Harrison hit on Massaquoi. The league had as a point of emphasis to officials this year that launching into a defenseless receiver would be a penalty and subject to discipline. So emphasize it.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...p#ixzz12iTJ0Jnm
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I believe the article that I posted mentioned 2 other hits besides the ones by Harrison. The focus here is on the Harrison hits because it's the Browns board and his hits happened against our team. If you don't like it, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
You asswipe steeler fans are still saying that it wasn't that bad or shouldn't have been a penalty and I've given two examples from people OUTSIDE OF CLEVELAND who are saying that it was a penalty and that he should be fined and that the refs blew the call and it should've been flagged. When just one of you dolts will take your head out of your ass long enough to admit that it was an illegal hit, we'll stop telling you that it was.
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Formerly Stone said:
Absolutely! That's how we were all taught from grade school up but as long as the NFL turns a blind eye to HGH and steroids these guys will just keep getting bigger, faster, and stronger. You saw violent collisions a few times per week 20 years ago now you see them 20 times per game, every game.This has nothing to do with Harrison's legal hits yesterday, it's just an observation that has been growing more and more prevalent every year.
You support the team who is the poster-child for HGH, so your comments ring hollow.
Now you support the team's star player who is the poster child for rape.
Yet you still come here with the Wholly Art Thy smug attitude. You are paper thin in ethics, please don't try to teach.
You support the team who is the poster-child for HGH, so your comments ring hollow.
Now you support the team's star player who is the poster child for rape.
Yet you still come here with the Wholly Art Thy smug attitude. You are paper thin in ethics, please don't try to teach.
Oh really? Wasn't it the CLEVELAND BROWNS who had multiple players connected to HGH doctor Galea? http://www.cleveland-browns-blog.com/cleve...with-dr-an.html
Poster child for rape..... NO CHARGES, let alone convictions. How about Lawrence Taylor, wouldnt he be the rape poster child? Wouldn't Cleveland be the poster child for losing, whining, and staph infections?
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I believe the article that I posted mentioned 2 other hits besides the ones by Harrison. The focus here is on the Harrison hits because it's the Browns board and his hits happened against our team. If you don't like it, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
You asswipe steeler fans are still saying that it wasn't that bad or shouldn't have been a penalty and I've given two examples from people OUTSIDE OF CLEVELAND who are saying that it was a penalty and that he should be fined and that the refs blew the call and it should've been flagged. When just one of you dolts will take your head out of your ass long enough to admit that it was an illegal hit, we'll stop telling you that it was.
I believe the article that I posted mentioned 2 other hits besides the ones by Harrison. The focus here is on the Harrison hits because it's the Browns board and his hits happened against our team. If you don't like it, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
You asswipe steeler fans are still saying that it wasn't that bad or shouldn't have been a penalty and I've given two examples from people OUTSIDE OF CLEVELAND who are saying that it was a penalty and that he should be fined and that the refs blew the call and it should've been flagged. When just one of you dolts will take your head out of your ass long enough to admit that it was an illegal hit, we'll stop telling you that it was.
Awesome post.
I'm certain that these Steeler residents just keep these threads alive so they can boast their post count.
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honestly, I think there's a fine line being walked here with regards to the hits. On the one hand, I agree that football is a contact sport. You know from day 1 of pee-wee football that you're going to get hit hard and often. Also, despite some very cold indiviuals I don't think anyone is wanting to go out there, lead with his helmet and hit someone. That is just dangerous to the person doing the hitting.
Rodney Harrison made a good point last night in Sunday Night football, and this is true for those of us who played DB at all. You are taught when a reciever is coming across the middle to hit right at the chest area, leading with the shoulder to try and jar the ball loose. Unfortunately, this often times leads to what looks like leading with the helmet. This is just going get called more and more and will eventually lead to players using a different technique to tackle entirely.
either way, I expect harrison to see a big fine. looking at that momass hit several times now, I'm pretty on the fence about it. I honestly think it was a clean hit, but momass was pretty defenseless on the play. What's interesting to me is to look at this way: If he would of caught that ball, desean jackson for that matter, is it still as bad a hit? He's not any less defenseless but it seems it's a lot different. I do think, and most steeler fans I know even admit, that Harrison is just a bad dude, Jack Tatum esque player. He's not looking to injure anyone badly, but doesn't care if he does.
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You support the team who is the poster-child for HGH, so your comments ring hollow.
Now you support the team's star player who is the poster child for rape.
Yet you still come here with the Wholly Art Thy smug attitude. You are paper thin in ethics, please don't try to teach.
Oh really? Wasn't it the CLEVELAND BROWNS who had multiple players connected to HGH doctor Galea? http://www.cleveland-browns-blog.com/cleve...with-dr-an.html
Poster child for rape..... NO CHARGES, let alone convictions. How about Lawrence Taylor, wouldnt he be the rape poster child? Wouldn't Cleveland be the poster child for losing, whining, and staph infections?
Oh really? Wasn't it the CLEVELAND BROWNS who had multiple players connected to HGH doctor Galea? http://www.cleveland-browns-blog.com/cleve...with-dr-an.html
Poster child for rape..... NO CHARGES, let alone convictions. How about Lawrence Taylor, wouldnt he be the rape poster child? Wouldn't Cleveland be the poster child for losing, whining, and staph infections?
Your article 100% supports that Jamal Lewis was against HGH and used hard work to hone his body. Cute injection of Shaun Roger links throughout though that made no sense.
Like I said, Pittsburgh will forever be known as the HGH poster child of professional sports. The aspects you support surrounding the Pittsburgh Steelers stand for everything that is bad in proffesional sports. May God have mercy on your soul.
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The key words in your post was that Massaquoi "was defenseless" and that is the new rule this year protecting the defenseless receiver from being hit.
There have been dozens of far less hits than Harrisons yesterday that have been flagged for that exact penalty, trust me...I watch the games all day long and am constantly flipping the channels and see it called all over the league for a lot less.
For what it's worth, later in the same Peter King column, he calls out the officiatng crew in the Browns/Steelers game for missing the call on Massaquoi as the very definition of a hit on a defenseless player.
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Formerly Stone said:
it's frustrating to try to discuss the issue when someone's only input is Harrison, Harrison, Harrison when in fact TJ Ward made the worst helmet to helmet contact in the entire game.Harrison is a dirty, spearing fool and that is why you are out here trying to defend him with a million nonsense posts, blaming the league and probably God himself as well that Harrison is being picked on unfairly.
You just can't reconcile the fact that your organization hired and defends rapists and girlfriend-beaters as their premier players. Face it.
"TJ Ward made the worst helmet to helmet contact in the entire game"? You are a sad liar.
Someone whose football opinion I respect very much said to me in the mid 70's: "The Steelers are the dirtiest team in football". That was quite a statement given the Raiders teams of the 70s.
It is still true.
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Formerly Stone said:
If I showed you two thousand examples of how Cleveland is a shithole and it's teams suck and it's fans are assholes would you commit suicide? No, of course you wouldn't! Once you open your eyes to the world of football outside Cleveland you will understand that you can find a column or a talk show host to support any angle you may want to bitch about.Look closelY at the MoMass hit...........THE xxxxING HELMETS NEVER TOUCHED!
You are such an idiot. Harison tee'ed off on a DEFENSELESS RECEIVER, plus went for the head shot by violently flairing his forearms through the receivers mug. No one has said shit about helmet to helmet hit in this second flagrant hit in the same quarter by Harrison. The league is cracking down this season on such hits. Almost always this has been flagged upon taking place, except in Pittsburgh where HGH, Rape, and inflicting paralysis is cheered and embraced.
You lost this game upon joining the hoopla celebrating the return of a two-time rapist, and you lost again failing to grasp three threads started here on this topic.
Did you get any sleep last night, or with Ben back in town were you afraid to shut your eyes?
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If anyone watched Sunday night football - the pregame show they were talking about the hard hits in todays game and 2 plays were selected to be talked about and discussed.
1. The hit on Desean Jackson
2. The hit on MoMass & Cribbs
It surprises me that not even one "cheap shot" or "helmet-to helmet" plays that the Steeler fans came to the Browns board to talk about was not picked.
Tony Dungy and the other even advocated having upto 4 games or more of suspension for such players since monetary fines seem to mean nothing in the NFL nowadays. I agree with Tony Dungy.
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Formerly Stone said:
You probably believe you mom is still a virgin too!Why do u want to bring someone's mom into the conversation ? did he pull your mom into the conversation ?
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