Head-to-Head Hits & New Rule Discussion
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Looks like it's only the Steelers fans who want to live in denial about the hits by Harrison yesterday, from SI's Peter King this morning:
Several shots in Pittsburgh, two vicious ones by James Harrison of the Steelers; his helmet-to-helmet shot against Browns receiver Mohamed Massaquoi will certainly draw a heavy fine, and it's incredible to me no official flagged what could be the textbook definition of hitting a defenseless receiver.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...p#ixzz12iRzYXj8
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Once again...it's not just Browns fans that are complaining about the hits to the head, including the two by Harrison yesterday:
Peter King's opening paragraph this morning:
NEW YORK -- "This is crazy!'' Rodney Harrison said as we tried to process the sixth or seventh vicious NFL hit of the day in the NBC viewing room Sunday afternoon.
Then, almost under his breath, Harrison said quietly, "Thank God I retired.''
The games we watched Sunday seemed as violent a collection as I've seen. Judging from the tweets and e-mails I got as the day went on, the public was astonished too. The Dunta Robinson collision with DeSean Jackson in Philadelphia, concussing both the Atlanta corner and Eagles receiver and probably kayoing the invaluable Jackson for Sunday's game at Tennessee. Several shots in Pittsburgh, two vicious ones by James Harrison of the Steelers; his helmet-to-helmet shot against Browns receiver Mohamed Massaquoi will certainly draw a heavy fine, and it's incredible to me no official flagged what could be the textbook definition of hitting a defenseless receiver. In New England, Brandon Meriweather lighting up Baltimore's Todd Heap with a hit to the head so vicious that either a mouthguard or something flew high into the air at the moment of impact. And so on -- six or eight shots where you wondered, "Is that guy getting up?''
So many thoughts. One: It's time to start ejecting and suspending players for flagrant hits, which I thought the Meriweather one was, and perhaps also the shot of Harrison on Massaquoi. Two: the league had better train its officials better considering there was no penalty on the Harrison hit on Massaquoi. The league had as a point of emphasis to officials this year that launching into a defenseless receiver would be a penalty and subject to discipline. So emphasize it.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...p#ixzz12iTJ0Jnm
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I believe the article that I posted mentioned 2 other hits besides the ones by Harrison. The focus here is on the Harrison hits because it's the Browns board and his hits happened against our team. If you don't like it, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
You asswipe steeler fans are still saying that it wasn't that bad or shouldn't have been a penalty and I've given two examples from people OUTSIDE OF CLEVELAND who are saying that it was a penalty and that he should be fined and that the refs blew the call and it should've been flagged. When just one of you dolts will take your head out of your ass long enough to admit that it was an illegal hit, we'll stop telling you that it was.
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Formerly Stone said:
Absolutely! That's how we were all taught from grade school up but as long as the NFL turns a blind eye to HGH and steroids these guys will just keep getting bigger, faster, and stronger. You saw violent collisions a few times per week 20 years ago now you see them 20 times per game, every game.This has nothing to do with Harrison's legal hits yesterday, it's just an observation that has been growing more and more prevalent every year.
You support the team who is the poster-child for HGH, so your comments ring hollow.
Now you support the team's star player who is the poster child for rape.
Yet you still come here with the Wholly Art Thy smug attitude. You are paper thin in ethics, please don't try to teach.
You support the team who is the poster-child for HGH, so your comments ring hollow.
Now you support the team's star player who is the poster child for rape.
Yet you still come here with the Wholly Art Thy smug attitude. You are paper thin in ethics, please don't try to teach.
Oh really? Wasn't it the CLEVELAND BROWNS who had multiple players connected to HGH doctor Galea? http://www.cleveland-browns-blog.com/cleve...with-dr-an.html
Poster child for rape..... NO CHARGES, let alone convictions. How about Lawrence Taylor, wouldnt he be the rape poster child? Wouldn't Cleveland be the poster child for losing, whining, and staph infections?
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I believe the article that I posted mentioned 2 other hits besides the ones by Harrison. The focus here is on the Harrison hits because it's the Browns board and his hits happened against our team. If you don't like it, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
You asswipe steeler fans are still saying that it wasn't that bad or shouldn't have been a penalty and I've given two examples from people OUTSIDE OF CLEVELAND who are saying that it was a penalty and that he should be fined and that the refs blew the call and it should've been flagged. When just one of you dolts will take your head out of your ass long enough to admit that it was an illegal hit, we'll stop telling you that it was.
I believe the article that I posted mentioned 2 other hits besides the ones by Harrison. The focus here is on the Harrison hits because it's the Browns board and his hits happened against our team. If you don't like it, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
You asswipe steeler fans are still saying that it wasn't that bad or shouldn't have been a penalty and I've given two examples from people OUTSIDE OF CLEVELAND who are saying that it was a penalty and that he should be fined and that the refs blew the call and it should've been flagged. When just one of you dolts will take your head out of your ass long enough to admit that it was an illegal hit, we'll stop telling you that it was.
Awesome post.
I'm certain that these Steeler residents just keep these threads alive so they can boast their post count.
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honestly, I think there's a fine line being walked here with regards to the hits. On the one hand, I agree that football is a contact sport. You know from day 1 of pee-wee football that you're going to get hit hard and often. Also, despite some very cold indiviuals I don't think anyone is wanting to go out there, lead with his helmet and hit someone. That is just dangerous to the person doing the hitting.
Rodney Harrison made a good point last night in Sunday Night football, and this is true for those of us who played DB at all. You are taught when a reciever is coming across the middle to hit right at the chest area, leading with the shoulder to try and jar the ball loose. Unfortunately, this often times leads to what looks like leading with the helmet. This is just going get called more and more and will eventually lead to players using a different technique to tackle entirely.
either way, I expect harrison to see a big fine. looking at that momass hit several times now, I'm pretty on the fence about it. I honestly think it was a clean hit, but momass was pretty defenseless on the play. What's interesting to me is to look at this way: If he would of caught that ball, desean jackson for that matter, is it still as bad a hit? He's not any less defenseless but it seems it's a lot different. I do think, and most steeler fans I know even admit, that Harrison is just a bad dude, Jack Tatum esque player. He's not looking to injure anyone badly, but doesn't care if he does.
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You support the team who is the poster-child for HGH, so your comments ring hollow.
Now you support the team's star player who is the poster child for rape.
Yet you still come here with the Wholly Art Thy smug attitude. You are paper thin in ethics, please don't try to teach.
Oh really? Wasn't it the CLEVELAND BROWNS who had multiple players connected to HGH doctor Galea? http://www.cleveland-browns-blog.com/cleve...with-dr-an.html
Poster child for rape..... NO CHARGES, let alone convictions. How about Lawrence Taylor, wouldnt he be the rape poster child? Wouldn't Cleveland be the poster child for losing, whining, and staph infections?
Oh really? Wasn't it the CLEVELAND BROWNS who had multiple players connected to HGH doctor Galea? http://www.cleveland-browns-blog.com/cleve...with-dr-an.html
Poster child for rape..... NO CHARGES, let alone convictions. How about Lawrence Taylor, wouldnt he be the rape poster child? Wouldn't Cleveland be the poster child for losing, whining, and staph infections?
Your article 100% supports that Jamal Lewis was against HGH and used hard work to hone his body. Cute injection of Shaun Roger links throughout though that made no sense.
Like I said, Pittsburgh will forever be known as the HGH poster child of professional sports. The aspects you support surrounding the Pittsburgh Steelers stand for everything that is bad in proffesional sports. May God have mercy on your soul.
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The key words in your post was that Massaquoi "was defenseless" and that is the new rule this year protecting the defenseless receiver from being hit.
There have been dozens of far less hits than Harrisons yesterday that have been flagged for that exact penalty, trust me...I watch the games all day long and am constantly flipping the channels and see it called all over the league for a lot less.
For what it's worth, later in the same Peter King column, he calls out the officiatng crew in the Browns/Steelers game for missing the call on Massaquoi as the very definition of a hit on a defenseless player.
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Formerly Stone said:
it's frustrating to try to discuss the issue when someone's only input is Harrison, Harrison, Harrison when in fact TJ Ward made the worst helmet to helmet contact in the entire game.Harrison is a dirty, spearing fool and that is why you are out here trying to defend him with a million nonsense posts, blaming the league and probably God himself as well that Harrison is being picked on unfairly.
You just can't reconcile the fact that your organization hired and defends rapists and girlfriend-beaters as their premier players. Face it.
"TJ Ward made the worst helmet to helmet contact in the entire game"? You are a sad liar.
Someone whose football opinion I respect very much said to me in the mid 70's: "The Steelers are the dirtiest team in football". That was quite a statement given the Raiders teams of the 70s.
It is still true.
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Formerly Stone said:
If I showed you two thousand examples of how Cleveland is a shithole and it's teams suck and it's fans are assholes would you commit suicide? No, of course you wouldn't! Once you open your eyes to the world of football outside Cleveland you will understand that you can find a column or a talk show host to support any angle you may want to bitch about.Look closelY at the MoMass hit...........THE xxxxING HELMETS NEVER TOUCHED!
You are such an idiot. Harison tee'ed off on a DEFENSELESS RECEIVER, plus went for the head shot by violently flairing his forearms through the receivers mug. No one has said shit about helmet to helmet hit in this second flagrant hit in the same quarter by Harrison. The league is cracking down this season on such hits. Almost always this has been flagged upon taking place, except in Pittsburgh where HGH, Rape, and inflicting paralysis is cheered and embraced.
You lost this game upon joining the hoopla celebrating the return of a two-time rapist, and you lost again failing to grasp three threads started here on this topic.
Did you get any sleep last night, or with Ben back in town were you afraid to shut your eyes?
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If anyone watched Sunday night football - the pregame show they were talking about the hard hits in todays game and 2 plays were selected to be talked about and discussed.
1. The hit on Desean Jackson
2. The hit on MoMass & Cribbs
It surprises me that not even one "cheap shot" or "helmet-to helmet" plays that the Steeler fans came to the Browns board to talk about was not picked.
Tony Dungy and the other even advocated having upto 4 games or more of suspension for such players since monetary fines seem to mean nothing in the NFL nowadays. I agree with Tony Dungy.
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Formerly Stone said:
You probably believe you mom is still a virgin too!Why do u want to bring someone's mom into the conversation ? did he pull your mom into the conversation ?
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Formerly Stone said:
If I showed you two thousand examples of how Cleveland is a shithole and it's teams suck and it's fans are assholes would you commit suicide? No, of course you wouldn't! Once you open your eyes to the world of football outside Cleveland you will understand that you can find a column or a talk show host to support any angle you may want to bitch about.Look closelY at the MoMass hit...........THE xxxxING HELMETS NEVER TOUCHED!
You are such an idiot. Harison tee'ed off on a DEFENSELESS RECEIVER, plus went for the head shot by violently flairing his forearms through the receivers mug. No one has said shit about helmet to helmet hit in this second flagrant hit in the same quarter by Harrison. The league is cracking down this season on such hits. Almost always this has been flagged upon taking place, except in Pittsburgh where HGH, Rape, and inflicting paralysis is cheered and embraced.
You lost this game upon joining the hoopla celebrating the return of a two-time rapist, and you lost again failing to grasp three threads started here on this topic.
Did you get any sleep last night, or with Ben back in town were you afraid to shut your eyes?
You are such an idiot. Harison tee'ed off on a DEFENSELESS RECEIVER, plus went for the head shot by violently flairing his forearms through the receivers mug. No one has said shit about helmet to helmet hit in this second flagrant hit in the same quarter by Harrison. The league is cracking down this season on such hits. Almost always this has been flagged upon taking place, except in Pittsburgh where HGH, Rape, and inflicting paralysis is cheered and embraced.
You lost this game upon joining the hoopla celebrating the return of a two-time rapist, and you lost again failing to grasp three threads started here on this topic.
Did you get any sleep last night, or with Ben back in town were you afraid to shut your eyes?
It's impossible for the Steeler fans to see what really happened because they have shit covering their eyes from having their heads so far up their own ass.
Once again from Peter King:
HOW DO YOU NOT CALL A HIT ON THE DEFENSELESS RECEIVER, WALT ANDERSON AND CREW, IN THE CLEVELAND-PITTSBURGH GAME, WHEN JAMES HARRISON NEARLY BEHEADS MOHAMED MASSAQUOI? I mean, come on. That's a textbook hit where the receiver had no chance to protect himself coming across the middle, and Harrison went right to Massaquoi's head. For a league that talks about protecting exposed players from kill shots, this was an inexcusable non-call. Have I hit that note enough now?
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...l#ixzz12ipePXYS
BTW....if you read the full article, anyone notice the picture that was used on the first page when talking about the hits the helmet? That's right...Roid rage harrison on Massaquoi....but it wasn't that bad right steeler fans?
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Leading with your head is just plain stupid. Anyone see Eric LeGrand from Rutgers he made a hit on a kick-off head first arms down just like Harrison's hit on Gribbs now he's paralyzed from the neck down.
Harrison's hit on MoMass was just a hard hit. The Gribbs hit was intent to injure.
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Formerly Stone said:
Defending yourself in a discussion with a lunatic is like arguing with the religious nutbags on the street corner in Cleveland, or telling a homeless person to get a job.Actually, that was a horribly weak defense from someone who claims not to be defending himself.
Are you sure you understand how this is supposed to work?
Keep lying & making things up, and by all means increase the insults. It is your calling and you have talent.
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On the Cribbs hit:
"It was definitely a clean hit." - Peyton Hillis
"I thought it was a clean play" - Eric Mangini
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On the Cribbs hit:
"It was definitely a clean hit." - Peyton Hillis
"I thought it was a clean play" - Eric Mangini
On the Cribbs hit:
"It was definitely a clean hit." - Peyton Hillis
"I thought it was a clean play" - Eric Mangini
"Harrison speared him." - CDAWG
I have the benefit of multiple replays and DVR.
Harrison speared him.
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Formerly Stone said:
Okay.....I get it!The refs are out to get Cleveland!
The league is out to get Cleveland!
The Steelers cheat!
The whole world is out to get Cleveland!
President Obama is trying to destroy the nation just to xxxx with Cleveland!
When it rains you get wet because you're from Cleveland!
Do little green men haunt your dreams because you are from Cleveland?
You guys are pathetic
You just need to get that you are a Steelers fan on a Browns board trying to convince the Browns fan that an unfair hit on Momass is fair cos the referees did not throw the flag when it is nationally accepted as being a foul hit.
Why is it so hard for u to accept the truth or atleast stay in your own forum ? are u an internet warrior who wants to flex his virtual muscles and keep typing till all the world has accepted what u say is correct ?
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QUOTE (Formerly Stone @ Oct 18 2010, 10:36 AM)
You probably believe you mom is still a virgin too!
Why do u want to bring someone's mom into the conversation ? did he pull your mom into the conversation ?
enlarged for the benefit of a Steeler fan who thought he can insult somebodys mother and pretend to be a saint.
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