Head-to-Head Hits & New Rule Discussion
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BOOOHOOOO
Ok done crying, now go back and look at the Ward-Shipley hit and then look at the two hits Harrison laid out and first and foremost, WARD WAS FLAGGED AND PENALIZED FOR THE HIT...as well as fined. Harrison recieved no on field penalty, which is fine as long as the league is not gonna pick and choose which ones to call/not call. Second the severity of the hits shows that Ward led with his shoulder and Harrison led with his helmet BOTH TIMES. While the Cribbs hit clearly looks as if hes going for the ball, i find it amusing that the ball was tucked in the RIGHT HAND the whole time and Harrison hit from the left side, apparently thinking he could hit the ball with his helmet THROUGH a human body? LOL. The first i can attribute to the speed of the game, the second is clearly stated in the rule books as illegal. PERIOD. NFL rules not Browns. Steelers have always had a rep just like the Raiders of dirty hits....Even the league fined him more because of "Repeat Offender" so I bet Roger Goodell is a whiner too now?
My ass isn't crying. Why are some on this board so damn simple? Fade back in to obscurity. The board doesn't need any more of the mentally challenged continent posting on a more regular basis.
EDIT: And have you played a minute of competitive football? Seriously? Ball on the hit side or not a jarring it his likely going to knock the ball loose because your body goes in to sensory overload and you let go. Ball side or not the ball came loose didn't it? Desired effect was achieved.
Homotron said:
My ass isn't crying. Why are some on this board so damn simple? Fade back in to obscurity. The board doesn't need any more of the mentally challenged continent posting on a more regular basis.EDIT: And have you played a minute of competitive football? Seriously? Ball on the hit side or not a jarring it his likely going to knock the ball loose because your body goes in to sensory overload and you let go. Ball side or not the ball came loose didn't it? Desired effect was achieved.
Im not complaining about the hit on Cribbs and neither is the league. The rules state a "defenseless reciever" which considering momass was looking the complete opposite direction I think that qualifies.
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Harrison makes 13.3 million this year. I guess if he gets too depressed, he can commit suicide by jumping off his wallet. LOL! Pick up your teeth, get on the turnpike, and head home a loser again, cleveland. Enjoy the afc north basement. It gets awfully cold down there, this time of year. Your persecution complex has reached new heights, as has our lombardy count.
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Call it crying if you like. But the two plays (ward , shiply. harrison, momass ) had major differences. The ward play was a bang bang play and there was a flag thrown. On the harrison hit he clearly launched himself ( left his feet) Leading with his forearms and helmet and no flag was thrown. No one but a homer could deny that.
Clean hits but the league wants to hold tight to their "vicious hit" amendment. I don't mind Goodell but he's certainly making questionable calls for the so called "betterment of the league" The Big Ben case now set a precedent for going after players without formal convictions or accusations. Brett Favre being the most recent example. It's a joke and a vicious cycle.
Homotron said:
Clean hits but the league wants to hold tight to their "vicious hit" amendment. I don't mind Goodell but he's certainly making questionable calls for the so called "betterment of the league" The Big Ben case now set a precedent for going after players without formal convictions or accusations. Brett Favre being the most recent example. It's a joke and a vicious cycle.Umm its a policy that they sign which states that they must conduct themselves in a professional manner at all times. That includes raping women after getting them smashed I think....
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OK I GIVE UP TRYING TO GET ANY OF THE STEELER FAN REGULARS ON HERE TO ADMIT THAT THEIR GUY DID ANYTHING WRONG. THE CLOSEST THING THEY HAVE IS EQUATING IT TO THE HIT TJ WARD HAD ON SHIPLEY. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, BUT I'LL CONCEDE. OK TJ'S HIT WAS FLAGRANT AND DESERVED THE FLAG AND PENALTY. CAN YOU ADMIT THE SAME WITH HARRISON? I DOUBT IT. YOU GUYS WILL DEFEND THE BIGGEST SCUMBAGS IN THE LEAGUE. WHY? BECAUSE THEY'RE ON YOUR TEAM.
WELL THE LEAGUE AND THE MAJORITY OF FANS NATIONWIDE DISAGREE WITH YOU AND THE ACTIONS OF YOUR GOON. HOW DOES THAT FEEL?
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Homotron said:
Hope a bunch of others catch heat, like Dunta Robinson for example.He should have been fined $7,500,000. And suspended the rest of the year. xxxxing roided up criminal.
He should have been fined $7,500,000. And suspended the rest of the year. xxxxing roided up criminal.
Be for real Brother... Its Football He made a Play. I heard a Parade of 20 Plus Ex Players in ESPN Radio today. I didnt Hear ONE Guy Say the Harrison Hits were Dirty. A Couple Reporters were about it. The League is just Covering its Tail , in Event a Disaster happens. Its Football. Not Flag Football.
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OK I GIVE UP TRYING TO GET ANY OF THE STEELER FAN REGULARS ON HERE TO ADMIT THAT THEIR GUY DID ANYTHING WRONG. THE CLOSEST THING THEY HAVE IS EQUATING IT TO THE HIT TJ WARD HAD ON SHIPLEY. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, BUT I'LL CONCEDE. OK TJ'S HIT WAS FLAGRANT AND DESERVED THE FLAG AND PENALTY. CAN YOU ADMIT THE SAME WITH HARRISON? I DOUBT IT. YOU GUYS WILL DEFEND THE BIGGEST SCUMBAGS IN THE LEAGUE. WHY? BECAUSE THEY'RE ON YOUR TEAM.
WELL THE LEAGUE AND THE MAJORITY OF FANS NATIONWIDE DISAGREE WITH YOU AND THE ACTIONS OF YOUR GOON. HOW DOES THAT FEEL?
OK I GIVE UP TRYING TO GET ANY OF THE STEELER FAN REGULARS ON HERE TO ADMIT THAT THEIR GUY DID ANYTHING WRONG. THE CLOSEST THING THEY HAVE IS EQUATING IT TO THE HIT TJ WARD HAD ON SHIPLEY. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, BUT I'LL CONCEDE. OK TJ'S HIT WAS FLAGRANT AND DESERVED THE FLAG AND PENALTY. CAN YOU ADMIT THE SAME WITH HARRISON? I DOUBT IT. YOU GUYS WILL DEFEND THE BIGGEST SCUMBAGS IN THE LEAGUE. WHY? BECAUSE THEY'RE ON YOUR TEAM.
WELL THE LEAGUE AND THE MAJORITY OF FANS NATIONWIDE DISAGREE WITH YOU AND THE ACTIONS OF YOUR GOON. HOW DOES THAT FEEL?
1st off the League front office feels that way. and thats ALL ABout $$$ and Liability. The PLAYERS Dont feel that way... the 20 Ex Players on ESPN ALL day dont feel that way. It was a Football play ...as was TJ Wards... Now The League says Do it and its gonna Hurt YOU. Thats where we stand. It wasn't Flagrant ... or with Malice. It was whats taught to you as a player starting in Pee Wee. KNOCK the Guy silly...dont let him Catch that ball. Get over your whiny self toxicshock.
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harrison an average player? since when? Nfl defensive player of the year, 2 time super bowl champ, universally acknowledged as one of the premier players in the league, outside of cleveland of course. Cleveland hasn't produced a player of his caliber since jim brown. All that region could do was hurl racial slurs at him when he grew up there in high school.
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Seriously, the Steeler fans can all kill themselves. FOr real. Who would care? I sure as hell wouldn't. Too bad if wasn't Harrison who drove himself off a cliff instead of Seau. But there may be hope yet
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He should have been fined $7,500,000. And suspended the rest of the year. xxxxing roided up criminal.
Be for real Brother... Its Football He made a Play. I heard a Parade of 20 Plus Ex Players in ESPN Radio today. I didnt Hear ONE Guy Say the Harrison Hits were Dirty. A Couple Reporters were about it. The League is just Covering its Tail , in Event a Disaster happens. Its Football. Not Flag Football.
Be for real Brother... Its Football He made a Play. I heard a Parade of 20 Plus Ex Players in ESPN Radio today. I didnt Hear ONE Guy Say the Harrison Hits were Dirty. A Couple Reporters were about it. The League is just Covering its Tail , in Event a Disaster happens. Its Football. Not Flag Football.
thank you hulk hogan. Harrison shouldve been fined, not a ludacris amount like 7,500,000 but the 75,000 will do. Its not the fact that harrison hit momass with his shoulder, he blatantly aimed(with his shoulder) for his head, the rest of his body was wide open, why not wrap up or hit him in the chest? Even though the cribbs hit was leagal, harrison again showed he aims to give concussions and potential paralyzation, now thats class!
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OK I GIVE UP TRYING TO GET ANY OF THE STEELER FAN REGULARS ON HERE TO ADMIT THAT THEIR GUY DID ANYTHING WRONG. THE CLOSEST THING THEY HAVE IS EQUATING IT TO THE HIT TJ WARD HAD ON SHIPLEY. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, BUT I'LL CONCEDE. OK TJ'S HIT WAS FLAGRANT AND DESERVED THE FLAG AND PENALTY. CAN YOU ADMIT THE SAME WITH HARRISON? I DOUBT IT. YOU GUYS WILL DEFEND THE BIGGEST SCUMBAGS IN THE LEAGUE. WHY? BECAUSE THEY'RE ON YOUR TEAM.
WELL THE LEAGUE AND THE MAJORITY OF FANS NATIONWIDE DISAGREE WITH YOU AND THE ACTIONS OF YOUR GOON. HOW DOES THAT FEEL?
1st off the League front office feels that way. and thats ALL ABout $$$ and Liability. The PLAYERS Dont feel that way... the 20 Ex Players on ESPN ALL day dont feel that way. It was a Football play ...as was TJ Wards... Now The League says Do it and its gonna Hurt YOU. Thats where we stand. It wasn't Flagrant ... or with Malice. It was whats taught to you as a player starting in Pee Wee. KNOCK the Guy silly...dont let him Catch that ball. Get over your whiny self toxicshock.
1st off the League front office feels that way. and thats ALL ABout $$$ and Liability. The PLAYERS Dont feel that way... the 20 Ex Players on ESPN ALL day dont feel that way. It was a Football play ...as was TJ Wards... Now The League says Do it and its gonna Hurt YOU. Thats where we stand. It wasn't Flagrant ... or with Malice. It was whats taught to you as a player starting in Pee Wee. KNOCK the Guy silly...dont let him Catch that ball. Get over your whiny self toxicshock.
OH REALLY BUNBOY? THAT'S WHY HODGE SAID THAT THE BEST COACH HE EVER HAD WAS CHUCK KNOLL, AND THAT HE TAUGHT TO PLANT ONE FOOT AND LEAD WITH THE SAME SIDE SHOULDER (NOT HELMET) AND GO FOR THE OPPONENT'S NUMBERS. NOT CHIN. NOT HEAD. NOT KNEES. NUMBERS.
BUT I GUESS ALL YOUR PEE WEE LEAGUE COACHES HAD SOMETHING OVER KNOLL, HUH?
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Per Rich Eisen on twitter..
Harrison will be hit with a $75,000 fine for the hit or hits on Sunday.
Guess the league disagrees with the Steeler fans who live here who say the hit wasn't illegal huh?
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Be for real Brother... Its Football He made a Play. I heard a Parade of 20 Plus Ex Players in ESPN Radio today. I didnt Hear ONE Guy Say the Harrison Hits were Dirty. A Couple Reporters were about it. The League is just Covering its Tail , in Event a Disaster happens. Its Football. Not Flag Football.
thank you hulk hogan. Harrison shouldve been fined, not a ludacris amount like 7,500,000 but the 75,000 will do. Its not the fact that harrison hit momass with his shoulder, he blatantly aimed(with his shoulder) for his head, the rest of his body was wide open, why not wrap up or hit him in the chest? Even though the cribbs hit was leagal, harrison again showed he aims to give concussions and potential paralyzation, now thats class!
thank you hulk hogan. Harrison shouldve been fined, not a ludacris amount like 7,500,000 but the 75,000 will do. Its not the fact that harrison hit momass with his shoulder, he blatantly aimed(with his shoulder) for his head, the rest of his body was wide open, why not wrap up or hit him in the chest? Even though the cribbs hit was leagal, harrison again showed he aims to give concussions and potential paralyzation, now thats class!
Anyone Hear Mike Golic Today ?? Or Steve Young ?? Dilfer ?? Eric Allen ? Woodson ?? and about 10 other guys ? ALL Said ONLY the Hit on Heap was noteworthy.... you guys are SORE ASS LOSERS> Period. As usual.
Climbing the Stairway...To SEVEN !! -
After thinking about the two hits and the whole situation I've come to a conclusion.
The first hit on Cribbs was legal, according to the NFL rules, but the reasons Browns fans are pissed about it are these.
1. He led with his helmet, yeah it was a big hit, but the guy still led with his helmet.
2. The comments he made on the field and off the field after the hit strongly suggest that he doesn't give a shit if he injures somebody. That may not be what he truly meant but his comments suggest otherwise.
The second hit on MoMass was ILLEGAL, a hit on a defenseless receiver, which our own TJ Ward was flagged for against Cincy. IMO this hit was also a blatant blow to the head. Browns fans aren't pissed off at the hit as much as they are pissed that no flag was thrown on a hit that was worse than what TJ Ward did.
I'm also sure if the tables were turned you Steeler fans would be just as pissed as we are about it.
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Whats 75 grand to somebody who makes millions? And IF the refs didn't have their heads up the Rooneys ass and threw the flag for the 15 yard penalty it could have changed the course of the game. Fuk shitburgh there fans and players
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After thinking about the two hits and the whole situation I've come to a conclusion.
The first hit on Cribbs was legal, according to the NFL rules, but the reasons Browns fans are pissed about it are these.
1. He led with his helmet, yeah it was a big hit, but the guy still led with his helmet.
2. The comments he made on the field and off the field after the hit strongly suggest that he doesn't give a shit if he injures somebody. That may not be what he truly meant but his comments suggest otherwise.
The second hit on MoMass was ILLEGAL, a hit on a defenseless receiver, which our own TJ Ward was flagged for against Cincy. IMO this hit was also a blatant blow to the head. Browns fans aren't pissed off at the hit as much as they are pissed that no flag was thrown on a hit that was worse than what TJ Ward did.
I'm also sure if the tables were turned you Steeler fans would be just as pissed as we are about it.
After thinking about the two hits and the whole situation I've come to a conclusion.
The first hit on Cribbs was legal, according to the NFL rules, but the reasons Browns fans are pissed about it are these.
1. He led with his helmet, yeah it was a big hit, but the guy still led with his helmet.
2. The comments he made on the field and off the field after the hit strongly suggest that he doesn't give a shit if he injures somebody. That may not be what he truly meant but his comments suggest otherwise.
The second hit on MoMass was ILLEGAL, a hit on a defenseless receiver, which our own TJ Ward was flagged for against Cincy. IMO this hit was also a blatant blow to the head. Browns fans aren't pissed off at the hit as much as they are pissed that no flag was thrown on a hit that was worse than what TJ Ward did.
I'm also sure if the tables were turned you Steeler fans would be just as pissed as we are about it.
If the tables were turned you can count on us having a 15 yard penalty too
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thank you hulk hogan. Harrison shouldve been fined, not a ludacris amount like 7,500,000 but the 75,000 will do. Its not the fact that harrison hit momass with his shoulder, he blatantly aimed(with his shoulder) for his head, the rest of his body was wide open, why not wrap up or hit him in the chest? Even though the cribbs hit was leagal, harrison again showed he aims to give concussions and potential paralyzation, now thats class!
Anyone Hear Mike Golic Today ?? Or Steve Young ?? Dilfer ?? Eric Allen ? Woodson ?? and about 10 other guys ? ALL Said ONLY the Hit on Heap was noteworthy.... you guys are SORE ASS LOSERS> Period. As usual.
Anyone Hear Mike Golic Today ?? Or Steve Young ?? Dilfer ?? Eric Allen ? Woodson ?? and about 10 other guys ? ALL Said ONLY the Hit on Heap was noteworthy.... you guys are SORE ASS LOSERS> Period. As usual.
i guess you'll ignore the CHUCK KNOLL comment. i mean he was only like the best coach you ever had. EVER. why should we care about these players you point out, when you ignore the others who disagree?
chirp. chirp. chirp. (crickets)
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c-dawg said:
Where are the "fair hit" chumps now?Let's hear it.
Sooo wait because the league fined him the hit was heinous? The league fines everything now. Once again frame by frame the Mo-mass hit it was his shoulder not his helmet that knocked Mo-mass out. How many of you have even played competitive football? You are taught to hit under the chin/upper mass. It's ingrained! very earlier in the competitive process. You then add in physics with speed, weight and burst and there isn't a TON a defender can do to alter body positioning. Ad a defender you don't want that guy catching the ball so you try and jar it loose. You all are a bunch of god damn babies. If A steeler got laid out and I watched it frame by frame and saw the evidence I'd say the same. It's the NFL, not two hand touch. Guys are going to get smacked. Funny against the Bengals most of you were applauding Wards hit on Shipley because it sent a message but when Harrison does it no dice? Make up your xxxxing minds. It's because two of your Browns got knocked out of the game. Flip the script and it's a non-issue. The hits weren't dirty and no I wouldn't sing a different song if it were Ward/Wallace/Are or someone else sidelined. IT's FOOTBALL!
Keep crying girls.
Homotron said:
Sooo wait because the league fined him the hit was heinous? The league fines everything now. Once again frame by frame the Mo-mass hit it was his shoulder not his helmet that knocked Mo-mass out. How many of you have even played competitive football? You are taught to hit under the chin/upper mass. It's ingrained! very earlier in the competitive process. You then add in physics with speed, weight and burst and there isn't a TON a defender can do to alter body positioning. Ad a defender you don't want that guy catching the ball so you try and jar it loose. You all are a bunch of god damn babies. If A steeler got laid out and I watched it frame by frame and saw the evidence I'd say the same. It's the NFL, not two hand touch. Guys are going to get smacked. Funny against the Bengals most of you were applauding Wards hit on Shipley because it sent a message but when Harrison does it no dice? Make up your xxxxing minds. It's because two of your Browns got knocked out of the game. Flip the script and it's a non-issue. The hits weren't dirty and no I wouldn't sing a different song if it were Ward/Wallace/Are or someone else sidelined. IT's FOOTBALL!Keep crying girls.
The League is the final determiner of these matters. If they have determined that his actions were unwarranted, who are you, or I to argue. And apparently it was just money. No suspension. Do you really care if Harrison loses some money? I don't because......here comes the tired out old mantra.......they are all overpaid anyway, right?.
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OK I GIVE UP TRYING TO GET ANY OF THE STEELER FAN REGULARS ON HERE TO ADMIT THAT THEIR GUY DID ANYTHING WRONG. THE CLOSEST THING THEY HAVE IS EQUATING IT TO THE HIT TJ WARD HAD ON SHIPLEY. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, BUT I'LL CONCEDE. OK TJ'S HIT WAS FLAGRANT AND DESERVED THE FLAG AND PENALTY. CAN YOU ADMIT THE SAME WITH HARRISON? I DOUBT IT. YOU GUYS WILL DEFEND THE BIGGEST SCUMBAGS IN THE LEAGUE. WHY? BECAUSE THEY'RE ON YOUR TEAM.
WELL THE LEAGUE AND THE MAJORITY OF FANS NATIONWIDE DISAGREE WITH YOU AND THE ACTIONS OF YOUR GOON. HOW DOES THAT FEEL?
1st off the League front office feels that way. and thats ALL ABout $$$ and Liability. The PLAYERS Dont feel that way... the 20 Ex Players on ESPN ALL day dont feel that way. It was a Football play ...as was TJ Wards... Now The League says Do it and its gonna Hurt YOU. Thats where we stand. It wasn't Flagrant ... or with Malice. It was whats taught to you as a player starting in Pee Wee. KNOCK the Guy silly...dont let him Catch that ball. Get over your whiny self toxicshock.
1st off the League front office feels that way. and thats ALL ABout $$$ and Liability. The PLAYERS Dont feel that way... the 20 Ex Players on ESPN ALL day dont feel that way. It was a Football play ...as was TJ Wards... Now The League says Do it and its gonna Hurt YOU. Thats where we stand. It wasn't Flagrant ... or with Malice. It was whats taught to you as a player starting in Pee Wee. KNOCK the Guy silly...dont let him Catch that ball. Get over your whiny self toxicshock.
they don't feel it was flagrant because it wasn't back when they played. no surprise there. and players today don't feel that way? maybe the ones delivering the hits but i bet cribbs, massaquoi, heap, and jackson sure don't like the way a concussion feels. The rule is now in place to protect players now and down the road.
I don't really like the suspension rule as it is now, because it is so subjective - but something needs to be done.. Maybe Ditka is right - they should play without helmets or with less padded helmets so they can't be used as weapons
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And the NFL choses not to penalize the referees for missing the blown call ?
And the NFL choses not to penalize the referees for missing the blown call ?
They might, but they would NEVER announce that sort of fine.
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I think the refs should face punishments to for not throwing the flags. You know damn well we would have ben flagged sure as shit
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