Head-to-Head Hits & New Rule Discussion
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LOOK MOM, NO HANDS!
Hey there CUMINEARS - do you know what I see here? I see a Jack Lambert type of football player (You remember Jack Lambert - dont you DICKINEARS? He was the guy in your back yard who grew up a Browns fan but was not drafted by the Browns - just like Big Bad Ben! LOL!) - anyways I see a Jack Lambert type of player who just beat the total S. H. I. T. out of your team and left two piles of steaming S. H. I. T. on the field for your trainers to scrape off the field - thats worth 75 Grand anyday! I LOVE IT!
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@rocky20 said:
PS - you are also F. U. C. K. ing P. U. S. S. ies because you have a message board that will not allow swearing.....F. U. C. K. you S. H. I. T. inears!
Somebody is a little cranky today.
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Per Adam Schefter Twitter: Reported on NFL Live - James Harrison fined $75,000 and as repeat offender.
Per Adam Schefter Twitter: Reported on NFL Live - James Harrison fined $75,000 and as repeat offender.
The 75 grand fine was a nice jester but it's still pocket change to these mega buck players. The best fine will be supension. When they are not out there playing their whole team goes down one way or another. So send the fine money to charity and send their azz home.
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You know whats funny? When the league fines a man 75K for making a hit on a player they deem defenseless and then try to make more money by selling a picture of that said hit! Hypocrisy at its finest.....
http://www.replayphotos.com/nflphotostore/...quoi_321187.cfm
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Here is two more still frames:
Massaquoi's head is down because he's looking at the ball which was below his waist. Harrison's isn't "WRAPPING-UP" he is spearing and everyone breathing soul outside Pittsburgh knows that the NFL installed this rule this season and is making a big deal about hitting a defenseless QB or WR.
Sure Harrison may have started out low, but that was only so he could get a better trust upward at Monass' head. With arms flailing upward with a forearm shiver. that was uncalled for, when he could have easily wrapped up and tackled the ball. He is hardly trying to dislodge the ball, he is trying to injury.
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In the above pictures, if you really wanted to dislodge the ball, a downward hit on the ball and through the receiver's trunk and legs would have been just as or more effective.
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Harrison had a choice. He could-of/should-of went through the ball, which would have been a downward hit (orange arrow). Instead he chose to throw a forearm shiver upward in the direction of Massaquoi's head (gold arrow). He deserved to be fined. I played defensive back and I've layed my hat on plenty of balls, it was just as much of a craft as taking someones head off. Either Harrison, Ward and others learn the difference or retire from this great game.
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Harrison had a choice. He could-of/should-of went through the ball, which would have been a downward hit (orange arrow). Instead he chose to throw a forearm shiver upward in the direction of Massaquoi's head (gold arrow). He deserved to be fined. I played defensive back and I've layed my hat on plenty of balls, it was just as much of a craft as taking someones head off. Either Harrison, Ward and others learn the difference or retire from this great game.
Harrison had a choice. He could-of/should-of went through the ball, which would have been a downward hit (orange arrow). Instead he chose to throw a forearm shiver upward in the direction of Massaquoi's head (gold arrow). He deserved to be fined. I played defensive back and I've layed my hat on plenty of balls, it was just as much of a craft as taking someones head off. Either Harrison, Ward and others learn the difference or retire from this great game.
BS - now I know you never played a down - he would have to be playing on his knees. Bad argument. You only wish you had this guy on your team.
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All of those opposed to the fine of 75k, I have a question for you.
Can Harrison make an open field tackle?
I dont think he knows how to tackle and his playing days are going to be numbered unless he changes his technique.
We just might start seeing a better game acrossed the board with this firm stand on cheapshots from the league.
This is supposed to be a sport of professional athletes, and some of these goones have made bank on just being strong and not for being good football players.
So you can continue bitchin and whining, but in the end we will see better played defenses acrossed the board.
All of those opposed to the fine of 75k, I have a question for you.
Can Harrison make an open field tackle?
I dont think he knows how to tackle and his playing days are going to be numbered unless he changes his technique.
We just might start seeing a better game acrossed the board with this firm stand on cheapshots from the league.
This is supposed to be a sport of professional athletes, and some of these goones have made bank on just being strong and not for being good football players.
So you can continue bitchin and whining, but in the end we will see better played defenses acrossed the board.
Moronic post. Harrison makes a ton of nice solid open field tackles in the running game, go ask Chris Johnson. Anyone who has ever played defense has been coached to try and separate a receiver from the ball. You don't do that with a wrap up tackle, you do it with a hit. The fact of the matter remains, if Massengil doesnt bobble the ball and duck to grab it, Harrison hits him square in the chest and nobody says a word about it. Football is a collision sport, and if you fools dont like it watch golf on Sundays.
And if you haven't noticed, the NFL is now profitting from this hit by selling pictures of it in their store. You can buy a framed 8x10 for your collection for only $159.99
I got two!
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Harrison had a choice. He could-of/should-of went through the ball, which would have been a downward hit (orange arrow). Instead he chose to throw a forearm shiver upward in the direction of Massaquoi's head (gold arrow). He deserved to be fined. I played defensive back and I've layed my hat on plenty of balls, it was just as much of a craft as taking someones head off. Either Harrison, Ward and others learn the difference or retire from this great game.
BS - now I know you never played a down - he would have to be playing on his knees. Bad argument. You only wish you had this guy on your team.
BS - now I know you never played a down - he would have to be playing on his knees. Bad argument. You only wish you had this guy on your team.
It is pretty obvious that you never played football. We were taught to aim for the belly-button because the trunk doesn't move and it zero's in on man. When you are trying to dislodge the ball, you put your shoulder or helmet on the ball. Harrison did none of this, he weided his arms upward at the head. He sucks at tackling.
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I know I may get a lot of flack for this comment but, IT'S FOOTBALL!
Big hits are part of the game. Players play the game knowing that big hits and the possibility of injury (including death) can occur as a consequence to violence/speed of the game. They sign the waivers and they are paid highly for the risks they take.
Harrison got his fine, yes he should have been flagged too, but that is the Referee's fault.
All this crying and whining doesn't help, it's extremely difficult to judge intent. This why there are rules. Blame the officials too. If the Refs do their job, the habitual offenders will not be playing in the league.
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These hits are not the fault of the QB.
McCoy's throws are perfect if it's man - but will generate the results we experienced if thrown into a zone. However, the same throws happen every Sunday - by every quarterback who's not Manning, Brees, or some other Pro Bowl starter.
ESPN had a panel discussion yesterday that included Dilfer and Young, 2 QB's who have won the Super Bowl. Interestingly, both agreed that the complexity of man/zone combination defenses is a big factor in this.. neither of them faced these types of defenses, and both actually said that they wouldn't want to play against the modern defenses. Hiding coverage will generate these results.
Bottom line: Broad simplistic generalizations ( "It's just football!" ) simply do not apply. Yes, Mass is paid to take these risks.. but that in no way makes these hits appropriate. I think these hits are roughly comparable to the DL head-slap of the OL helmet when executing a pass rush.
To be perfectly clear: Intent DOES NOT MATTER. I doubt Harrison intended to do anything evil, just like I doubt Robinson intended to concuss Jackson. I doubt Rothlisberger intended to be a rapist. However, people are judged based on their actions.
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WHAAAAHHH!!!! You mean I ain't allowed to do this anymore? Man I QUIT!!!!! Don't worry, Mr Harrison, UFC wants to hear from you.
At least the Refs threw a flag on that one.
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HAHAHAHAHA. This made my night hands down.
Browns 1, Steelers 0.
Don't try to argue back because there is no point now.
HAHAHAHAHA. This made my night hands down.
Browns 1, Steelers 0.
Don't try to argue back because there is no point now.
We did win the game though, so Browns 10, Steelers 28
I wonder how much he should get fined
“Football is a game played with arms, legs and shoulders but mostly from the neck up” -
HAHAHAHAHA. This made my night hands down.
Browns 1, Steelers 0.
Don't try to argue back because there is no point now.
We did win the game though, so Browns 10, Steelers 28
I wonder how much he should get fined
Go 'Lers said:
We did win the game though, so Browns 10, Steelers 28I wonder how much he should get fined
A 3 year old video? What a post Lers, to be expected from a Bandwagoner like yourself.
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Now it's Mr. Harrison's turn to cry....
James Harrison contemplates retirement
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...tes-retirement/
Posted by Mike Florio on October 20, 2010 9:47 AM ET
Well, well, well. It appears that there's another drama queen in Pittsburgh.
Not long after quarterback Ben Roethlisberger suggested that he considered quitting the game after his offseason conduct resulted in a four-game suspension for violation of the Personal Conduct Policy, linebacker James Harrison supposedly is thinking about calling it quits in the wake of a $75,000 fine imposed for delivering an illegal helmet-to-helmet hit against Browns receiver Mohamed Massaquoi.
"I'm going to sit down and have a serious conversation with my coach [Wednesday] and see if I can actually play by NFL rules and still be effective," Harrison told Tony Bruno of FOX Sports Radio. "If not, I may have to give up playing football. . . . I really truly hope it's something that can be done. But the way that things were being explained to me [Tuesday] and the reasoning for it, I don't feel I can continue to play and be effective and, like I say, not have to worry about injuring someone else or risking injury to myself."
Fine, James. If you don't think you have the skills to adjust and adapt to playing football within the rules, then you should quit.
As we'll be explaining in a special, in-depth 10-pack on the issue (if I ever finish the thing), the rules haven't changed -- and the rules prohibit precisely what Harrison did. So if he can't play NFL football within the NFL's rules, maybe he should look for work in another field.
After, of course, he pays back the prorated portion of the signing bonus he received in April 2009, when he inked a new deal with $20 million guaranteed.
Our take? He's not thinking about retiring. He's just looking to muster sympathy for his position, and he's trying to make himself into the victim. That's why the NFL should call his bluff.
For the last 17 years, the Steelers have been able to plug in effective replacements when a linebacker leaves. Though it usually happens via free agency, the Steelers won't miss a beat if Harrison decides to take his bat and ball (and his helmet-to-helmet hits) and go home.
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Brian Urlacher :
"It's freaking football. There are going to be big hits, I can't understand how they can suspend us for it. I think it's a bunch of bull (crap).
I hope the Saints don't hit real hard so we can get off of this topic!
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Steeler troll translation:
"It's boxing ! If I can't bite someone's ear off, then what am I supposed to do? Lose because I'm an idiot and can't box intelligently?"
Harrison's fine was justified. And it's fair for the NFL to warn of suspensions for helmet killer hits.
I also think an immediate expulsion from the game should be required for any flagrant helmet spearing, and I don't care
what team that player plays on.
BTW, the "referees" who didn't even throw the flag on a 75,000 dollar fined player? something has to be done about that.
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