Head-to-Head Hits & New Rule Discussion
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These guys keep saying there just doing what they've been taught to do there entire life. I was always taught to keep my head up and put my face mask on their hip.
If you dont drop your head and try to tackle something you not looking at it would be alot easier to control were your hitting somebody
Form tackles are rather ineffective at dislodging a ball unless the tackler hits the ball carrier straight on from the front.
It's a very fast game, making a perfect tackle every time will not happen. You obviously played. Surely you made many clean tackles that weren't exactly form tackles .Players need to be taught and follow safe tackling techniques, but expecting a form tackle for every tackle simple can't be done. In the NFL every yard counts. Defenders look to stop ball carriers any way possible. Rules are in place to protect both the defenders and the ball carriers. When it comes to putting rules in place to protect players whose opinion is more valuable than the players themselves?
There is widespread dissent toward Goodell and his threats of suspension from offensive and defensive players from all over the league. I think we can all agree the players should atleast have a say in the rules which they must play by.
Form tackles are rather ineffective at dislodging a ball unless the tackler hits the ball carrier straight on from the front.
It's a very fast game, making a perfect tackle every time will not happen. You obviously played. Surely you made many clean tackles that weren't exactly form tackles .Players need to be taught and follow safe tackling techniques, but expecting a form tackle for every tackle simple can't be done. In the NFL every yard counts. Defenders look to stop ball carriers any way possible. Rules are in place to protect both the defenders and the ball carriers. When it comes to putting rules in place to protect players whose opinion is more valuable than the players themselves?
There is widespread dissent toward Goodell and his threats of suspension from offensive and defensive players from all over the league. I think we can all agree the players should atleast have a say in the rules which they must play by.
I understand a form tackle isn't possible on every play. But on the plays in question were the defenders are unloading on defenseless players they are. If you go look at all the plays in question from this past weekend I would almost guarantee none of them tried to wrap up.
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
I have an idea, lets go on the Browns board and be a complete arrogant asshole about every single f*cking topic that comes up and show everyone what an elitist asshole I am by telling them every one of their opinions is "crying" and maybe they will all convert to my roided up raping team of sh!tbags! Because you know this IS the internet and if I tell people they are wrong enough times surely they will see MY side of things! I can only imagine what rich and interesting lives you steeler fags that live on this board must have.
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Clearly Goodell is destined to be a czar of some sort with Obama's regime. His acts are definitely socialist in nature.
Redistribution of wealth. Penalize the teams who can play football for the benefit of the teams that suck.
It makes total sense considering stains fans support the concept.
Buy tix for your arena football league now, in a couple years when that league surpasses the NFL because they're the last remnant of real football, fans will be flocking to see it.
Regards...
... an'at
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I have an idea, lets go on the Browns board and be a complete arrogant asshole about every single f*cking topic that comes up and show everyone what an elitist asshole I am by telling them every one of their opinions is "crying" and maybe they will all convert to my roided up raping team of sh!tbags! Because you know this IS the internet and if I tell people they are wrong enough times surely they will see MY side of things! I can only imagine what rich and interesting lives you steeler fags that live on this board must have.
I have an idea, lets go on the Browns board and be a complete arrogant asshole about every single f*cking topic that comes up and show everyone what an elitist asshole I am by telling them every one of their opinions is "crying" and maybe they will all convert to my roided up raping team of sh!tbags! Because you know this IS the internet and if I tell people they are wrong enough times surely they will see MY side of things! I can only imagine what rich and interesting lives you steeler fags that live on this board must have.
I would like to think most Browns fans are good normal people. You are making it hard for me to do that.
I present my opinion (an opinion shared by two outspoken Browns players) and some of you guys go bereserk because you can't understand people can have different opinions.
You say only Steelers fans hold the view that Harrison's hits were clean. I point out Browns players admitt they though the hits were clean. That's when you shown your arrogance by saying they were wrong, just because they had a different opinion. You just say they don't know what they are talking about and you are right.
You can have your opinion, but when you post it for the world to see people will criticize it. If you can't handle that don't post your opinions. You don't crtique someone opinion, you just say they don'tknow what they are talking about and they are wrong.
My side is the side the NFL players want. Since it's their health and well being in question their opinions should be highly regaurded. But you just say that they don't know what they are talking aboutor they aren't smart people. Who are you to tell NFL players what's best for them? That's arrogance.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
mikeyP72 said:
Remember the time Harrison roided out during the super bowl and power slammed that Cardinals DB Francisco onto the group after the play... Yeah, you tell me that wasn't roid fueled rage. OOOOOOOkkk
You mean this?
He didn't power slam him but there is an open handed punch into the dudes back and then he keeps hitting him when the play is clearly over.
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Form tackles are rather ineffective at dislodging a ball unless the tackler hits the ball carrier straight on from the front.
It's a very fast game, making a perfect tackle every time will not happen. You obviously played. Surely you made many clean tackles that weren't exactly form tackles .Players need to be taught and follow safe tackling techniques, but expecting a form tackle for every tackle simple can't be done. In the NFL every yard counts. Defenders look to stop ball carriers any way possible. Rules are in place to protect both the defenders and the ball carriers. When it comes to putting rules in place to protect players whose opinion is more valuable than the players themselves?
There is widespread dissent toward Goodell and his threats of suspension from offensive and defensive players from all over the league. I think we can all agree the players should atleast have a say in the rules which they must play by.
I understand a form tackle isn't possible on every play. But on the plays in question were the defenders are unloading on defenseless players they are. If you go look at all the plays in question from this past weekend I would almost guarantee none of them tried to wrap up.
I understand a form tackle isn't possible on every play. But on the plays in question were the defenders are unloading on defenseless players they are. If you go look at all the plays in question from this past weekend I would almost guarantee none of them tried to wrap up.
Everything you said is true. I just don't beleive players should get in trouble for not attempting to wrap up, as long as they don't intentionally take a head shot. It's not up to Goodell to punish bad technique, leave that to the coaches. -
I have an idea, lets go on the Browns board and be a complete arrogant asshole about every single f*cking topic that comes up and show everyone what an elitist asshole I am by telling them every one of their opinions is "crying" and maybe they will all convert to my roided up raping team of sh!tbags! Because you know this IS the internet and if I tell people they are wrong enough times surely they will see MY side of things! I can only imagine what rich and interesting lives you steeler fags that live on this board must have.
I would like to think most Browns fans are good normal people. You are making it hard for me to do that.
I present my opinion (an opinion shared by two outspoken Browns players) and some of you guys go bereserk because you can't understand people can have different opinions.
You say only Steelers fans hold the view that Harrison's hits were clean. I point out Browns players admitt they though the hits were clean. That's when you shown your arrogance by saying they were wrong, just because they had a different opinion. You just say they don't know what they are talking about and you are right.
You can have your opinion, but when you post it for the world to see people will criticize it. If you can't handle that don't post your opinions. You don't crtique someone opinion, you just say they don'tknow what they are talking about and they are wrong.
My side is the side the NFL players want. Since it's their health and well being in question their opinions should be highly regaurded. But you just say that they don't know what they are talking aboutor they aren't smart people. Who are you to tell NFL players what's best for them? That's arrogance.
I would like to think most Browns fans are good normal people. You are making it hard for me to do that.
I present my opinion (an opinion shared by two outspoken Browns players) and some of you guys go bereserk because you can't understand people can have different opinions.
You say only Steelers fans hold the view that Harrison's hits were clean. I point out Browns players admitt they though the hits were clean. That's when you shown your arrogance by saying they were wrong, just because they had a different opinion. You just say they don't know what they are talking about and you are right.
You can have your opinion, but when you post it for the world to see people will criticize it. If you can't handle that don't post your opinions. You don't crtique someone opinion, you just say they don'tknow what they are talking about and they are wrong.
My side is the side the NFL players want. Since it's their health and well being in question their opinions should be highly regaurded. But you just say that they don't know what they are talking aboutor they aren't smart people. Who are you to tell NFL players what's best for them? That's arrogance.
I never even stated my opinion on this helmet to helmet hitting thing dude, I hear enough of it on ESPN and really don't care what steelers or Browns fans think about it. Why so defensive man? Something I say hurt your poor internet feelings?
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I would like to think most Browns fans are good normal people. You are making it hard for me to do that.
I present my opinion (an opinion shared by two outspoken Browns players) and some of you guys go bereserk because you can't understand people can have different opinions.
You say only Steelers fans hold the view that Harrison's hits were clean. I point out Browns players admitt they though the hits were clean. That's when you shown your arrogance by saying they were wrong, just because they had a different opinion. You just say they don't know what they are talking about and you are right.
You can have your opinion, but when you post it for the world to see people will criticize it. If you can't handle that don't post your opinions. You don't crtique someone opinion, you just say they don'tknow what they are talking about and they are wrong.
My side is the side the NFL players want. Since it's their health and well being in question their opinions should be highly regaurded. But you just say that they don't know what they are talking aboutor they aren't smart people. Who are you to tell NFL players what's best for them? That's arrogance.
I never even stated my opinion on this helmet to helmet hitting thing dude, I hear enough of it on ESPN and really don't care what steelers or Browns fans think about it. Why so defensive man? Something I say hurt your poor internet feelings?
I never even stated my opinion on this helmet to helmet hitting thing dude, I hear enough of it on ESPN and really don't care what steelers or Browns fans think about it. Why so defensive man? Something I say hurt your poor internet feelings?
"All he's trying to do is make himself out to be the victim and its a complete joke in anybody's eyes that isn't a steelers fan"
My response was based on that quote by you, not neccesarily you taking a stand on helmet-to-helmet hits. I can't blame you for not caring what fans have to say. I just think Goodell should listen to the players when he creates and enforces rules he claims is for their health.
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Can anyone tell me, why do Steelers come to a Browns board?
I never understood that myself.
Can anyone tell me, why do Steelers come to a Browns board?
I never understood that myself.
Because we are rivals! Some of us were around for the 80's
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I know he has to pay 75k and is upset because he can't play "clean"
I know he has to pay 75k and is upset because he can't play "clean"
I guess it depends on who you ask. If you ask Hillis he would say the hit was clean.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
I know he has to pay 75k and is upset because he can't play "clean"
I guess it depends on who you ask. If you ask Hillis he would say the hit was clean.
I guess it depends on who you ask. If you ask Hillis he would say the hit was clean.
And if you ask Goodell, it's dirty.
At the end of the day, Goodell is issuing the fines, not Hillis.
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Yeah, but leading with your helmet full bore into a guy that's already being tackled - and almost taking his head off sure will dislodge the ball. And don't give me the BS that Harrison didn't have the time to get his head up, or tackle with his hands- he had the opportunity and went for a deliberate kill shot on Cribbs. BTW, the Commish's office laid it out- rule 12 you can't spear a defenseless player- and that will go for not just wrs. Since Cribbs was already wrapped up and going down, I'd say he was not exactly in a position to protect himself.
Here's the exact quote of the rule- trolls. NFL Rule 12
"Note: Defenseless players in (f) and (g) shall include (i) a player in the act of or just after throwing a pass; (ii) a receiver catching or attempting to catch a pass; (iii) a runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped; (iv) a kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air; and (v) a player on the ground at the end of a play.
If Harrison wants to keep getting game checks, he had damn better unlearn his headhunting ways. Goodell hath spoken- And to our Steeler trolls- if you think it's such an injustice to your goon, why not help pay his fine.
True or False. Cribbs lowered his head as he ran through the hole.
True or False. The league said this hit was 100% clean from the start. It was his hit on MoMass that was in question
True or False. Cribbs lowered his head as he ran through the hole.
True or False. The league said this hit was 100% clean from the start. It was his hit on MoMass that was in question
Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers.
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True or False. Cribbs lowered his head as he ran through the hole.
True or False. The league said this hit was 100% clean from the start. It was his hit on MoMass that was in question
Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers.
Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers.
Rules are rules.
Except when Goodell and Co. makes them up on the fly.
Regards...
... an'at
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Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers.
Rules are rules.
Except when Goodell and Co. makes them up on the fly.
Regards...
... an'at
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Rules are rules.
Except when Goodell and Co. makes them up on the fly.
i'll give you this SChick at least you are quick, clean and concise. one and done. sorta like a dry popcorn fart.
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Can anyone tell me, why do Steelers come to a Browns board?
I never understood that myself.
Because we are rivals! Some of us were around for the 80's
Because we are rivals! Some of us were around for the 80's
what's that mean, you like bananarama? wham?
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yeah, well they are wrong. just like you. just because they play for the browns doesn't mean everything they say is right or smart. we'll leave that to you guys and your players who you defend through thick and thin.
So becuase players disagree with you they are wrong?
You try calling me out for defending my players while making excuses when your players defender Steeler players.
You obviously want to soften the league. The players themselves don't want the league to be softened.
Beleive it or not, people can have different opinions than you and just because you don't agree doesn't make them wrong.
I just think it's funny my opinion is shared and openly supported by players of your favorite team. It's hard to say that NFL players don't know what's best for themselves, but I know you will continue trying.
So becuase players disagree with you they are wrong?
You try calling me out for defending my players while making excuses when your players defender Steeler players.
You obviously want to soften the league. The players themselves don't want the league to be softened.
Believe it or not, people can have different opinions than you and just because you don't agree doesn't make them wrong.
I just think it's funny my opinion is shared and openly supported by players of your favorite team. It's hard to say that NFL players don't know what's best for themselves, but I know you will continue trying.
Actually- the players DON'T know what's best for themselves. Cribbs wanted to get back in the game, but the trainers prevented him from going back in. When it comes to head injuries and concussions, the neurologists know best. Or you want those guys to end up like your very own Mike Webster, who wound up living under a bridge-I'll be nice and say it wasn't due to 'roids- it was due to a few too many head slaps from back in the day. Seen Earl Campbell lately? The guy gets rolled around in a wheelchair.
You know why the players don't want the league to be softened? Because deep down inside, they think they're freaking invincible, and a paralyzing (or deadly- all you need to do is crush the right cervical vertebrae) hit is gonna happen to someone else, not them.
Well, if something isn't done to curb the headhunting, it's going to happen, and soon.
And I loved that video of the hit on Reggie Bush- shows you can blow a play up without taking a guy's head off.
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Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers.
Rules are rules.
Except when Goodell and Co. makes them up on the fly.
Regards...
... an'at
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Rules are rules.
Except when Goodell and Co. makes them up on the fly.
Regards...
... an'at
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They didn't make those rules up Chuck- been there all along. Or maybe you didn't hear the Commish's office say the refs blew the call? No Super Bowl for that crew!!!! Read it real carefully.
They're just going to enforce said rule. Yeah- I know the NFL "said" Harrison's hit on Cribbs was 100% legal- but I beg to differ. You can say it's iffy if Cribbs' forward progress was stopped, but he was certainly wrapped up, defenseless, and doing down- and Harrison led with his helmet, and only his helmet. What's more galling to me as a Browns fan is he had the opportunity to either pull up or grab JC's shoulder pads with his hands. I'd bet you a C note if last week was this week- and the same play had happened, Harrision would have been ejected, and it would have been a 15 yard penalty. BY THE RULES.
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AND remember the money aspect. the only way these guys get noticed in college and early in the nfl is being on the highlight reel for blasting dudes' helmets off. coaches like it (even though they won't say it publicly). when it comes to signing player, either rookies or free agents what do you think they look at. yes each player has their own reel. and the bigger the bad ass the more money.
as for fujita's comments. the guy is a union rep. he doesn't want anything to change unless it benefits the players money-wise in a positive way. start talking fines and suspensions, well let me guess, he might be against it. why do all the players say they are against it blah blah blah.............if you came into my office and said you'll start taking money away from me if idon't start doing things i don't like to do well i'd be pissed too.
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Rules are rules.
Except when Goodell and Co. makes them up on the fly.
Regards...
... an'at
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They didn't make those rules up Chuck- been there all along. Or maybe you didn't hear the Commish's office say the refs blew the call? No Super Bowl for that crew!!!! Read it real carefully.
They're just going to enforce said rule. Yeah- I know the NFL "said" Harrison's hit on Cribbs was 100% legal- but I beg to differ. You can say it's iffy if Cribbs' forward progress was stopped, but he was certainly wrapped up, defenseless, and doing down- and Harrison led with his helmet, and only his helmet. What's more galling to me as a Browns fan is he had the opportunity to either pull up or grab JC's shoulder pads with his hands. I'd bet you a C note if last week was this week- and the same play had happened, Harrision would have been ejected, and it would have been a 15 yard penalty. BY THE RULES.
They didn't make those rules up Chuck- been there all along. Or maybe you didn't hear the Commish's office say the refs blew the call? No Super Bowl for that crew!!!! Read it real carefully.
They're just going to enforce said rule. Yeah- I know the NFL "said" Harrison's hit on Cribbs was 100% legal- but I beg to differ. You can say it's iffy if Cribbs' forward progress was stopped, but he was certainly wrapped up, defenseless, and doing down- and Harrison led with his helmet, and only his helmet. What's more galling to me as a Browns fan is he had the opportunity to either pull up or grab JC's shoulder pads with his hands. I'd bet you a C note if last week was this week- and the same play had happened, Harrision would have been ejected, and it would have been a 15 yard penalty. BY THE RULES.
Ok, Hoorta, help me out here.
When was this rule drafted? Was this drafter pre or post Sunday? I'm not sure.
Define "virtually defenseless postures".
Also explain to me how Harrison gets fined $75k. What determines a fine.
Grasshopper awaits the master.
Regards...
.. an'at
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Just Face the Steeler are rapists and cheapshot artist and their fans are ASSHOLES.No one acknowledges him on their board so he has to come here and act like the idiot he is.He needs to go play in traffic on a busy interstate
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