Head-to-Head Hits & New Rule Discussion
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I would like to think most Browns fans are good normal people. You are making it hard for me to do that.
I present my opinion (an opinion shared by two outspoken Browns players) and some of you guys go bereserk because you can't understand people can have different opinions.
You say only Steelers fans hold the view that Harrison's hits were clean. I point out Browns players admitt they though the hits were clean. That's when you shown your arrogance by saying they were wrong, just because they had a different opinion. You just say they don't know what they are talking about and you are right.
You can have your opinion, but when you post it for the world to see people will criticize it. If you can't handle that don't post your opinions. You don't crtique someone opinion, you just say they don'tknow what they are talking about and they are wrong.
My side is the side the NFL players want. Since it's their health and well being in question their opinions should be highly regaurded. But you just say that they don't know what they are talking aboutor they aren't smart people. Who are you to tell NFL players what's best for them? That's arrogance.
I never even stated my opinion on this helmet to helmet hitting thing dude, I hear enough of it on ESPN and really don't care what steelers or Browns fans think about it. Why so defensive man? Something I say hurt your poor internet feelings?
I never even stated my opinion on this helmet to helmet hitting thing dude, I hear enough of it on ESPN and really don't care what steelers or Browns fans think about it. Why so defensive man? Something I say hurt your poor internet feelings?
"All he's trying to do is make himself out to be the victim and its a complete joke in anybody's eyes that isn't a steelers fan"
My response was based on that quote by you, not neccesarily you taking a stand on helmet-to-helmet hits. I can't blame you for not caring what fans have to say. I just think Goodell should listen to the players when he creates and enforces rules he claims is for their health.
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Can anyone tell me, why do Steelers come to a Browns board?
I never understood that myself.
Can anyone tell me, why do Steelers come to a Browns board?
I never understood that myself.
Because we are rivals! Some of us were around for the 80's
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I know he has to pay 75k and is upset because he can't play "clean"
I know he has to pay 75k and is upset because he can't play "clean"
I guess it depends on who you ask. If you ask Hillis he would say the hit was clean.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
I know he has to pay 75k and is upset because he can't play "clean"
I guess it depends on who you ask. If you ask Hillis he would say the hit was clean.
I guess it depends on who you ask. If you ask Hillis he would say the hit was clean.
And if you ask Goodell, it's dirty.
At the end of the day, Goodell is issuing the fines, not Hillis.
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Yeah, but leading with your helmet full bore into a guy that's already being tackled - and almost taking his head off sure will dislodge the ball. And don't give me the BS that Harrison didn't have the time to get his head up, or tackle with his hands- he had the opportunity and went for a deliberate kill shot on Cribbs. BTW, the Commish's office laid it out- rule 12 you can't spear a defenseless player- and that will go for not just wrs. Since Cribbs was already wrapped up and going down, I'd say he was not exactly in a position to protect himself.
Here's the exact quote of the rule- trolls. NFL Rule 12
"Note: Defenseless players in (f) and (g) shall include (i) a player in the act of or just after throwing a pass; (ii) a receiver catching or attempting to catch a pass; (iii) a runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped; (iv) a kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air; and (v) a player on the ground at the end of a play.
If Harrison wants to keep getting game checks, he had damn better unlearn his headhunting ways. Goodell hath spoken- And to our Steeler trolls- if you think it's such an injustice to your goon, why not help pay his fine.
True or False. Cribbs lowered his head as he ran through the hole.
True or False. The league said this hit was 100% clean from the start. It was his hit on MoMass that was in question
True or False. Cribbs lowered his head as he ran through the hole.
True or False. The league said this hit was 100% clean from the start. It was his hit on MoMass that was in question
Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers.
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True or False. Cribbs lowered his head as he ran through the hole.
True or False. The league said this hit was 100% clean from the start. It was his hit on MoMass that was in question
Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers.
Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers.
Rules are rules.
Except when Goodell and Co. makes them up on the fly.
Regards...
... an'at
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Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers.
Rules are rules.
Except when Goodell and Co. makes them up on the fly.
Regards...
... an'at
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Rules are rules.
Except when Goodell and Co. makes them up on the fly.
i'll give you this SChick at least you are quick, clean and concise. one and done. sorta like a dry popcorn fart.
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Can anyone tell me, why do Steelers come to a Browns board?
I never understood that myself.
Because we are rivals! Some of us were around for the 80's
Because we are rivals! Some of us were around for the 80's
what's that mean, you like bananarama? wham?
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yeah, well they are wrong. just like you. just because they play for the browns doesn't mean everything they say is right or smart. we'll leave that to you guys and your players who you defend through thick and thin.
So becuase players disagree with you they are wrong?
You try calling me out for defending my players while making excuses when your players defender Steeler players.
You obviously want to soften the league. The players themselves don't want the league to be softened.
Beleive it or not, people can have different opinions than you and just because you don't agree doesn't make them wrong.
I just think it's funny my opinion is shared and openly supported by players of your favorite team. It's hard to say that NFL players don't know what's best for themselves, but I know you will continue trying.
So becuase players disagree with you they are wrong?
You try calling me out for defending my players while making excuses when your players defender Steeler players.
You obviously want to soften the league. The players themselves don't want the league to be softened.
Believe it or not, people can have different opinions than you and just because you don't agree doesn't make them wrong.
I just think it's funny my opinion is shared and openly supported by players of your favorite team. It's hard to say that NFL players don't know what's best for themselves, but I know you will continue trying.
Actually- the players DON'T know what's best for themselves. Cribbs wanted to get back in the game, but the trainers prevented him from going back in. When it comes to head injuries and concussions, the neurologists know best. Or you want those guys to end up like your very own Mike Webster, who wound up living under a bridge-I'll be nice and say it wasn't due to 'roids- it was due to a few too many head slaps from back in the day. Seen Earl Campbell lately? The guy gets rolled around in a wheelchair.
You know why the players don't want the league to be softened? Because deep down inside, they think they're freaking invincible, and a paralyzing (or deadly- all you need to do is crush the right cervical vertebrae) hit is gonna happen to someone else, not them.
Well, if something isn't done to curb the headhunting, it's going to happen, and soon.
And I loved that video of the hit on Reggie Bush- shows you can blow a play up without taking a guy's head off.
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Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers.
Rules are rules.
Except when Goodell and Co. makes them up on the fly.
Regards...
... an'at
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Rules are rules.
Except when Goodell and Co. makes them up on the fly.
Regards...
... an'at
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They didn't make those rules up Chuck- been there all along. Or maybe you didn't hear the Commish's office say the refs blew the call? No Super Bowl for that crew!!!! Read it real carefully.
They're just going to enforce said rule. Yeah- I know the NFL "said" Harrison's hit on Cribbs was 100% legal- but I beg to differ. You can say it's iffy if Cribbs' forward progress was stopped, but he was certainly wrapped up, defenseless, and doing down- and Harrison led with his helmet, and only his helmet. What's more galling to me as a Browns fan is he had the opportunity to either pull up or grab JC's shoulder pads with his hands. I'd bet you a C note if last week was this week- and the same play had happened, Harrision would have been ejected, and it would have been a 15 yard penalty. BY THE RULES.
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AND remember the money aspect. the only way these guys get noticed in college and early in the nfl is being on the highlight reel for blasting dudes' helmets off. coaches like it (even though they won't say it publicly). when it comes to signing player, either rookies or free agents what do you think they look at. yes each player has their own reel. and the bigger the bad ass the more money.
as for fujita's comments. the guy is a union rep. he doesn't want anything to change unless it benefits the players money-wise in a positive way. start talking fines and suspensions, well let me guess, he might be against it. why do all the players say they are against it blah blah blah.............if you came into my office and said you'll start taking money away from me if idon't start doing things i don't like to do well i'd be pissed too.
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Rules are rules.
Except when Goodell and Co. makes them up on the fly.
Regards...
... an'at
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They didn't make those rules up Chuck- been there all along. Or maybe you didn't hear the Commish's office say the refs blew the call? No Super Bowl for that crew!!!! Read it real carefully.
They're just going to enforce said rule. Yeah- I know the NFL "said" Harrison's hit on Cribbs was 100% legal- but I beg to differ. You can say it's iffy if Cribbs' forward progress was stopped, but he was certainly wrapped up, defenseless, and doing down- and Harrison led with his helmet, and only his helmet. What's more galling to me as a Browns fan is he had the opportunity to either pull up or grab JC's shoulder pads with his hands. I'd bet you a C note if last week was this week- and the same play had happened, Harrision would have been ejected, and it would have been a 15 yard penalty. BY THE RULES.
They didn't make those rules up Chuck- been there all along. Or maybe you didn't hear the Commish's office say the refs blew the call? No Super Bowl for that crew!!!! Read it real carefully.
They're just going to enforce said rule. Yeah- I know the NFL "said" Harrison's hit on Cribbs was 100% legal- but I beg to differ. You can say it's iffy if Cribbs' forward progress was stopped, but he was certainly wrapped up, defenseless, and doing down- and Harrison led with his helmet, and only his helmet. What's more galling to me as a Browns fan is he had the opportunity to either pull up or grab JC's shoulder pads with his hands. I'd bet you a C note if last week was this week- and the same play had happened, Harrision would have been ejected, and it would have been a 15 yard penalty. BY THE RULES.
Ok, Hoorta, help me out here.
When was this rule drafted? Was this drafter pre or post Sunday? I'm not sure.
Define "virtually defenseless postures".
Also explain to me how Harrison gets fined $75k. What determines a fine.
Grasshopper awaits the master.
Regards...
.. an'at
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Just Face the Steeler are rapists and cheapshot artist and their fans are ASSHOLES.No one acknowledges him on their board so he has to come here and act like the idiot he is.He needs to go play in traffic on a busy interstate
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They didn't make those rules up Chuck- been there all along. Or maybe you didn't hear the Commish's office say the refs blew the call? No Super Bowl for that crew!!!! Read it real carefully.
They're just going to enforce said rule. Yeah- I know the NFL "said" Harrison's hit on Cribbs was 100% legal- but I beg to differ. You can say it's iffy if Cribbs' forward progress was stopped, but he was certainly wrapped up, defenseless, and doing down- and Harrison led with his helmet, and only his helmet. What's more galling to me as a Browns fan is he had the opportunity to either pull up or grab JC's shoulder pads with his hands. I'd bet you a C note if last week was this week- and the same play had happened, Harrision would have been ejected, and it would have been a 15 yard penalty. BY THE RULES.
Ok, Hoorta, help me out here.
When was this rule drafted? Was this drafter pre or post Sunday? I'm not sure.
Define "virtually defenseless postures".
Also explain to me how Harrison gets fined $75k. What determines a fine.
Grasshopper awaits the master.
Regards...
.. an'at
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Ok, Hoorta, help me out here.
When was this rule drafted? Was this drafter pre or post Sunday? I'm not sure.
Define "virtually defenseless postures".
Also explain to me how Harrison gets fined $75k. What determines a fine.
Grasshopper awaits the master.
Regards...
.. an'at
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Chuck you ought to know the Rule's been in place all season if not a lot longer.
Defenseless? I'll give you Cribb's video as exhibit "A". What happened to Shipley in the Bengals game as exhibit "B", and the shot on Heap as exhibit "C". Obviously, it's not always going to be as clear cut as that.
Kennesaw Mountain Goodell determines the fine. Considering Harrison's antics in the Super Bowl, his shot on Vince Young earlier in the year (unfortunately, didn't see it) and now a couple more TKO's in the Browns game- and then making jackass comments after the game on top of it- (at least the New England dude was remorseful) he earned himself the big booby prize of the week. Can't feel too sorry about the fine JH picked up- with a $20 million signing bonus last year, even considering his contract is back-loaded, that fine is chicken feed.
And I don't buy Harrison's bleating "that's the way I was taught to play". Must have gotten lousy coaching, because they teach you NOT to lead with your head. Assuming I get the OK, I'm going to post a couple musings from a guy who's forgotten more about technical football than I ever learned on the subject of proper tackling technique.
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True or False. Cribbs lowered his head as he ran through the hole.
True or False. The league said this hit was 100% clean from the start. It was his hit on MoMass that was in question
Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers.
Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers.
You responded to my post but didn't give an answer to the rtue/false question so to be fair I won't answer yours.
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/sports/footbal...o-harrisons-hit
“I have no bad will towards LB James Harrison. That's what he's suppose to do knock people out, it's what makes him one of the best,” Cribbs tweeted .
“I don't believe he intentionally wants to injure anyone, but it is a part of the game,” Cribbs tweeted.
“He has been hitting people like that as my teammate at Kent State & now as my rival he still hits people like that... He is still my boy.”
Put Cribbs on the list of Browns players who don't think Harrison's hit was in any way illegal or dirty.
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Ok, Hoorta, help me out here.
When was this rule drafted? Was this drafter pre or post Sunday? I'm not sure.
Define "virtually defenseless postures".
Also explain to me how Harrison gets fined $75k. What determines a fine.
Grasshopper awaits the master.
Regards...
.. an'at
.
Chuck you ought to know the Rule's been in place all season if not a lot longer.
Defenseless? I'll give you Cribb's video as exhibit "A". What happened to Shipley in the Bengals game as exhibit "B", and the shot on Heap as exhibit "C". Obviously, it's not always going to be as clear cut as that.
Kennesaw Mountain Goodell determines the fine. Considering Harrison's antics in the Super Bowl, his shot on Vince Young earlier in the year (unfortunately, didn't see it) and now a couple more TKO's in the Browns game- and then making jackass comments after the game on top of it- (at least the New England dude was remorseful) he earned himself the big booby prize of the week. Can't feel too sorry about the fine JH picked up- with a $20 million signing bonus last year, even considering his contract is back-loaded, that fine is chicken feed.
And I don't buy Harrison's bleating "that's the way I was taught to play". Must have gotten lousy coaching, because they teach you NOT to lead with your head. Assuming I get the OK, I'm going to post a couple musings from a guy who's forgotten more about technical football than I ever learned on the subject of proper tackling technique.
Chuck you ought to know the Rule's been in place all season if not a lot longer.
Defenseless? I'll give you Cribb's video as exhibit "A". What happened to Shipley in the Bengals game as exhibit "B", and the shot on Heap as exhibit "C". Obviously, it's not always going to be as clear cut as that.
Kennesaw Mountain Goodell determines the fine. Considering Harrison's antics in the Super Bowl, his shot on Vince Young earlier in the year (unfortunately, didn't see it) and now a couple more TKO's in the Browns game- and then making jackass comments after the game on top of it- (at least the New England dude was remorseful) he earned himself the big booby prize of the week. Can't feel too sorry about the fine JH picked up- with a $20 million signing bonus last year, even considering his contract is back-loaded, that fine is chicken feed.
And I don't buy Harrison's bleating "that's the way I was taught to play". Must have gotten lousy coaching, because they teach you NOT to lead with your head. Assuming I get the OK, I'm going to post a couple musings from a guy who's forgotten more about technical football than I ever learned on the subject of proper tackling technique.
His hit on Young wasn't even dirty. A defensive lineman hit him in the leg as Harrison hit him in the chest. The impact caused him to get flipped over the d-lineman that hit him in his thigh. It wasn't flagged and by rule it shouldn't have been.
And I don't buy Harrison's bleating "that's the way I was taught to play"......Josh Cribbs does. No offfense to you but I respect a player's opinion more than any fan, especially when he was the "victim" of one of Harrison's hits.
Cribbs goes out of his way to defend and support Harrison on his own time. He even gives Harrison a compliemnt saying that is is one of the very best. It's clearl his honest opinion and not just a politically correct statement. If you disagree I suggest you atleast attempt to back it up.
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Cribbs was freaking being tackled and going down when Harrison speared him. True or False- Harrison led with his helmet directly into Cribb's head.
RE: If the League considered this 100% clean, I can't wait to see what happens the next time Ben takes off- and takes a similar shot. I guess direct helmet to helmet is OK- but only if you play for the Steelers
More Blaaaaaaaaaaaaa Blaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...whiney ass BS ? Nobody "Cheats " for anybody you little loser. Cribbs Head went forward and Down the Two Collided helmets...Dumbass. If the Browns Players READ the S*** You guys Post ..they would be Horrified !! " Good Lord..Colt... Half our Fans are Pu**ies !!!
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mikeyP72 said:
LOL Spunk, that's a little more passion during the super bowl.Guy assaulted Francisco.
Funny the part 2 seconds earlier in that game where Fransisco went for Harrison's knees is left out from the clip.
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you are whining about Franscisco... but you defend your steeler with steriods for brains.
I'll bet Harrison learns how to play football instead of thugball. You heard it on this forum first.
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you are whining about Franscisco... but you defend your steeler with steriods for brains.
I'll bet Harrison learns how to play football instead of thugball. You heard it on this forum first.
you are whining about Franscisco... but you defend your steeler with steriods for brains.
I'll bet Harrison learns how to play football instead of thugball. You heard it on this forum first.
I'm not whining about it. Just pointing out a rather important fact that was conveniently left out. In a cause and effect situation you can't blindly criticize the effect while ignoring the cause. No whining, just pointing out the obvious.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6
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