cbs reporting could be mangina's last week
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This "they have no talent" excuse is really lame. Unless your looking for a participation trophy at the end of the season all that matters in Wins and losses. The only thing different from this year and last is that the defense is a little better.
How is it an excuse when it's the truth? Did you think we were going to run over teams 50 - 0 on our way to a 100 - 0 Super Bowl win this year when you looked at the roster?
How is it an excuse when it's the truth? Did you think we were going to run over teams 50 - 0 on our way to a 100 - 0 Super Bowl win this year when you looked at the roster?
No of course not. I didn't think they'd be in the exact same position as last season either.
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I'm sorry reality is lame for you.
Please name the coach you would replace Mangini with. Please state your plans for getting to the Super Bowl next year with the current roster plus one draft.
There are plenty of options . Do you think Mangini is the best option for this team? They couldn't build on last years finish and since he has a 5 year plan should we expect 3 1/2 more years of losing?
There are plenty of options . Do you think Mangini is the best option for this team? They couldn't build on last years finish and since he has a 5 year plan should we expect 3 1/2 more years of losing?
No if Progress hasnt been made by year three then you axe the coach. Unless he loses the locker room and team. Its the only intelligent way to do it.
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How is it an excuse when it's the truth? Did you think we were going to run over teams 50 - 0 on our way to a 100 - 0 Super Bowl win this year when you looked at the roster?
No of course not. I didn't think they'd be in the exact same position as last season either.
No of course not. I didn't think they'd be in the exact same position as last season either.
I agree with you there but when you look at the games, they have played better than last season. Just couldn't close them out or made stupid mistakes.
I didn't mean to come off as hostile. I just don't see the reason to jump ship so soon.
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I'm not for firing Mangini by the way. I don't like the constant coaching changes! I think Holmgren and the Browns and stuck in a bad situation because with mangini should have been gone last year. This just looks all to familiar.
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I think the media hates Mangini simply because they are all basically a bunch of New York City pole chokers and ass kissers, and they blame Mangini for the collapse of the 'beloved' Jets at the end of that 2008 season, forgetting of course that it was Brett Favre's arm injury that is what really doomed them. Had Mangini benched Favre can you imagine the uproar?
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Dude, the difference between me and the rest of you is I'm use to winning. I'm a yankee fan and was calling for torres head in 2004. I have nothing personal against mangini but what has be proven? He will be fired so get your box of tissues out.
Do you understand the only reaso he wasn't fired last year is cause holgrem thinks a coach deserves more than a year. If you can't see he is going to get fired then don't comment again until it happens.
I would like a told ya so...
Everyone says that removing a coach is starting over, did you know that the changes og coaches actually averages 2 or more wins the first year
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I think the media hates Mangini simply because they are all basically a bunch of New York City pole chokers and ass kissers, and they blame Mangini for the collapse of the 'beloved' Jets at the end of that 2008 season, forgetting of course that it was Brett Favre's arm injury that is what really doomed them. Had Mangini benched Favre can you imagine the uproar?
I think the media hates Mangini simply because they are all basically a bunch of New York City pole chokers and ass kissers, and they blame Mangini for the collapse of the 'beloved' Jets at the end of that 2008 season, forgetting of course that it was Brett Favre's arm injury that is what really doomed them. Had Mangini benched Favre can you imagine the uproar?
It doesn't help his cause that he landed in Cleveland. The national media has a hard on for this town as well.
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while switching coaches all "willy nilly" anytime a team faces adversity is a proven formula for a disfunctional franchise so is sticking with a crap ass coach.
mangina lost his head coaching position with the NY jets for a reason, and it wasn't because they felt the need to get rid of a elite head coach.
one of cleveland's problems as a franchise (and fanbase) is that they consistently feel they can find their messiah in other teams garbage piles.
while switching coaches all "willy nilly" anytime a team faces adversity is a proven formula for a disfunctional franchise so is sticking with a crap ass coach.
mangina lost his head coaching position with the NY jets for a reason, and it wasn't because they felt the need to get rid of a elite head coach.
one of cleveland's problems as a franchise (and fanbase) is that they consistently feel they can find their messiah in other teams garbage piles.
Actually, that is completely wrong. Mangini is only the second coach in Browns history that was a HC for another team before becoming HC of the Browns. The other was Nick Skorich who had coached the Eagles. One of the complaints a lot of people have made over the years was that this team never would bring in a proven winner. Well, this time they tried to do that. Mangini had them in the playoffs one year, and on the verge of it again when Favre's injury got in the way.
The Jets got rid of him because of that, and because they are trying to compete for the attention of the media in NYC and Mangini is not a real media friendly guy, nor did he suffer fools on his roster and bruised a lot of his players egos.
That is why he was fired.
Who does he actually most remind me of? Chuck Noll.
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
Oh and by the way Mangini built that Jets team save for sanchez, but that was easy when everything else was set.How so? Edwards, Holmes, LT, Greene, Scott, Leonhard, Cromartie weren't there. He gave them a damn good CB in Revis and a couple of good lineman. He also drafted Kellen Clemens who is terrible. Gholston too
How so? Edwards, Holmes, LT, Greene, Scott, Leonhard, Cromartie weren't there. He gave them a damn good CB in Revis and a couple of good lineman. He also drafted Kellen Clemens who is terrible. Gholston too
OFFENSE
• Drafted under Mangini: Left tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson, Round 1, 2006; center Nick Mangold, Round 1, 2006.
• Acquired under Mangini: Left guard Alan Faneca, free agent, 2008; right tackle Damien Woody, free agent, 2008; running back Thomas Jones, trade with Bears, 2007; fullback Tony Richardson, free agent, 2008
• There before Mangini: Wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery, drafted in 2004; right guard Brandon Moore, undrafted free agent in 2003
DEFENSE
• Drafted under Mangini: CB Darrelle Revis, Round 1, 2007.
• Acquired under Mangini: Linebacker Calvin Pace, undrafted free agent in 2008 ; linebacker David Harris, undrafted free agent in 2007.
• There before Mangini: Linebacker Bryan Thomas, Round 1 pick in 2002; nose tackle Sione Pouha, Round 3 draft pick in 2005; safety Kerry Rhodes, Round 4 draft pick in 2005.
Quick edit
Davis harris Pro-Bowl was NOT a UFA. He was drafted (#47) By Mangini out of Nichigan
2L.Washington Pro-Bowl. He was drafted (#117) by Mangini in '6.
3)D Lowery,The biggest Ballhawk on the team. He was drafted (114) by Mangini.
How about THIRTY (30) players ALL SIGNED or DRAFTED during Manginis Three year LEADERSHIP?
Including B. Smith. You know, the B. Smith that broke The Bengals back with those TWO play off WildDawg runs?
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while switching coaches all "willy nilly" anytime a team faces adversity is a proven formula for a disfunctional franchise so is sticking with a crap ass coach.
mangina lost his head coaching position with the NY jets for a reason, and it wasn't because they felt the need to get rid of a elite head coach.
one of cleveland's problems as a franchise (and fanbase) is that they consistently feel they can find their messiah in other teams garbage piles.
one of cleveland's problems as a franchise (and fanbase) is that they consistently feel they can find their messiah in other teams garbage piles.
You realize that 6 of the last 10 superbowl winners' head coaches were plucked off of another team's garbage pile.
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I am just going to say all the other coaches were removed too . Helped a hell of a lot huh ??????
Just say no
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I'm sorry reality is lame for you.
Please name the coach you would replace Mangini with. Please state your plans for getting to the Super Bowl next year with the current roster plus one draft.
There are plenty of options . Do you think Mangini is the best option for this team? They couldn't build on last years finish and since he has a 5 year plan should we expect 3 1/2 more years of losing?
There are plenty of options .
Who? Stop avoiding the question. Name someone. You want to make a change? Then man up and take responsibility for the idiotic coach you would replace Mangini with.
Teams have coaches. If you want to fire someone, you clearly have someone else in mind for the job. If you don't, then your proposal is worthless. The essence of the firing of one coach is the naming of the replacement.. without the replacement, you don't consider firing the first coach at all.
Do you think Mangini is the best option for this team?
Doesn't matter. Consistency is better than churning coaches with no goal. Unless there is a measurably better option available, picking something and sticking to it is better than whimsically looking for the next big thing. If there is nobody better -- if there was, you would have named him long ago - then why do you want to fire the coach?
News flash: You do not need to always be perceived as "doing something." If there is nobody better, then sit on your hands.
And to your specific question, I think Holmgren is the best thing to happen to the Browns since the trucks left for Baltimore. The coach he names is the coach I will support.
They couldn't build on last years finish
I could not disagree with you more.
Your expectations are nonsense.
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There are plenty of options .
Who? Stop avoiding the question. Name someone. You want to make a change? Then man up and take responsibility for the idiotic coach you would replace Mangini with.
Teams have coaches. If you want to fire someone, you clearly have someone else in mind for the job. If you don't, then your proposal is worthless. The essence of the firing of one coach is the naming of the replacement.. without the replacement, you don't consider firing the first coach at all.
Do you think Mangini is the best option for this team?
Doesn't matter. Consistency is better than churning coaches with no goal. Unless there is a measurably better option available, picking something and sticking to it is better than whimsically looking for the next big thing. If there is nobody better -- if there was, you would have named him long ago - then why do you want to fire the coach?
News flash: You do not need to always be perceived as "doing something." If there is nobody better, then sit on your hands.
And to your specific question, I think Holmgren is the best thing to happen to the Browns since the trucks left for Baltimore. The coach he names is the coach I will support.
They couldn't build on last years finish
I could not disagree with you more.
Your expectations are nonsense.
Who? Stop avoiding the question. Name someone. You want to make a change? Then man up and take responsibility for the idiotic coach you would replace Mangini with.
Teams have coaches. If you want to fire someone, you clearly have someone else in mind for the job. If you don't, then your proposal is worthless. The essence of the firing of one coach is the naming of the replacement.. without the replacement, you don't consider firing the first coach at all.
Doesn't matter. Consistency is better than churning coaches with no goal. Unless there is a measurably better option available, picking something and sticking to it is better than whimsically looking for the next big thing. If there is nobody better -- if there was, you would have named him long ago - then why do you want to fire the coach?
News flash: You do not need to always be perceived as "doing something." If there is nobody better, then sit on your hands.
And to your specific question, I think Holmgren is the best thing to happen to the Browns since the trucks left for Baltimore. The coach he names is the coach I will support.
I could not disagree with you more.
Your expectations are nonsense.
Calm down tough guy.
1st off all I didn't say fire the coach. I don't like revolving coaches either. I just don't think he's a good coach. I think Holmgren is great! Best guy the Browns have had upstairs for a long long time.
You want a name so bad. How about Mike Shanahan son Kyle. There a name.
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How so? Edwards, Holmes, LT, Greene, Scott, Leonhard, Cromartie weren't there. He gave them a damn good CB in Revis and a couple of good lineman. He also drafted Kellen Clemens who is terrible. Gholston too
OFFENSE
• Drafted under Mangini: Left tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson, Round 1, 2006; center Nick Mangold, Round 1, 2006.
• Acquired under Mangini: Left guard Alan Faneca, free agent, 2008; right tackle Damien Woody, free agent, 2008; running back Thomas Jones, trade with Bears, 2007; fullback Tony Richardson, free agent, 2008
• There before Mangini: Wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery, drafted in 2004; right guard Brandon Moore, undrafted free agent in 2003
DEFENSE
• Drafted under Mangini: CB Darrelle Revis, Round 1, 2007.
• Acquired under Mangini: Linebacker Calvin Pace, undrafted free agent in 2008 ; linebacker David Harris, undrafted free agent in 2007.
• There before Mangini: Linebacker Bryan Thomas, Round 1 pick in 2002; nose tackle Sione Pouha, Round 3 draft pick in 2005; safety Kerry Rhodes, Round 4 draft pick in 2005.
Quick edit
Davis harris Pro-Bowl was NOT a UFA. He was drafted (#47) By Mangini out of Nichigan
2L.Washington Pro-Bowl. He was drafted (#117) by Mangini in '6.
3)D Lowery,The biggest Ballhawk on the team. He was drafted (114) by Mangini.
How about THIRTY (30) players ALL SIGNED or DRAFTED during Manginis Three year LEADERSHIP?
Including B. Smith. You know, the B. Smith that broke The Bengals back with those TWO play off WildDawg runs?
Dawgfanforever88 said:
OFFENSE• Drafted under Mangini: Left tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson, Round 1, 2006; center Nick Mangold, Round 1, 2006.
• Acquired under Mangini: Left guard Alan Faneca, free agent, 2008; right tackle Damien Woody, free agent, 2008; running back Thomas Jones, trade with Bears, 2007; fullback Tony Richardson, free agent, 2008
• There before Mangini: Wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery, drafted in 2004; right guard Brandon Moore, undrafted free agent in 2003
DEFENSE
• Drafted under Mangini: CB Darrelle Revis, Round 1, 2007.
• Acquired under Mangini: Linebacker Calvin Pace, undrafted free agent in 2008 ; linebacker David Harris, undrafted free agent in 2007.
• There before Mangini: Linebacker Bryan Thomas, Round 1 pick in 2002; nose tackle Sione Pouha, Round 3 draft pick in 2005; safety Kerry Rhodes, Round 4 draft pick in 2005.
Quick edit
Davis harris Pro-Bowl was NOT a UFA. He was drafted (#47) By Mangini out of Nichigan
2L.Washington Pro-Bowl. He was drafted (#117) by Mangini in '6.
3)D Lowery,The biggest Ballhawk on the team. He was drafted (114) by Mangini.
How about THIRTY (30) players ALL SIGNED or DRAFTED during Manginis Three year LEADERSHIP?
Including B. Smith. You know, the B. Smith that broke The Bengals back with those TWO play off WildDawg runs?
You forgot getting Kris Jenkins to agree to a trade from Carolina.
Eric Mangini had two of three winning seasons in NY and the second one (2008) was the one that got him fired because they needed a scapegoat and Woody Johnson needed to sell PSLs to his new stadium. When he was 8-3 and had just beaten both NE and an undefeated Tennessee on the road they were talking extension. Then came Hurricane Brett.
Next time you think he can't coach, realize that he's beaten some of the best coaches out there and the last time he beat Brady and Belichick...he baited Belichick and so badly outcoached him it wasn't even funny.
To quote Pat Kirwan before last season "Eric Mangini has great football thoughts. He just needs players good enough to execute those thoughts.". How many of the 25 guys Eric Mangini cut in camp last year are still on active rosters in the league? I'll give you a hint: 0. THAT is how bad the team he inherited was.
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We cannot continue to keep changing coaches, and rebuilding! By continuing to do so we are only making a mockery of ourselves and a great tradition, and therefore giving Steelers fans more ammo to use against us. Unless we can somehow get Bill Cowher, or Marty Schottenheimer, which I doubt would happen. Other than that, then I don't even think I would like to entertain a notion of blowing it up yet again, and getting another coach! I most certainly don't want another "coordinator in training" either!
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Just out of curiosity, where in the New York area do you live or grew up in? And being from NY how did you become a Browns fan?
I grew up in albany and spent sometime in syracuse. Also lived in new jersey for a bit I am a huge huricane fan and loved bernie kosar and met michael dean perry.
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Wrrebel needs to be band from starting topics.
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