McCoy or Wallace?
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Unless the Browns have a very good feeling that McCoy is their long-term guy, probably starting in 2011... they almost have to draft or trade for their QB. Windows don't stay open very long and you can't keep putting it off.
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We are all at a disadvantage here of not knowing how Colt has graded out in terms of the film room. To clarify, we know he's played well against the Steelers and Saints (and they don't come any tougher than Dick LeBeau and Gregg Williams' defenses) but was he missing reads? Did he make a lot of mistakes that weren't readily apparent on TV? I don't know the answer to that.
Seneca Wallace did not show me anything physically that McCoy can't do. The only advantage Seneca has over McCoy is the veteran experience factor because McCoy even exhibits great leadership qualities. The question then boils down to that trade off. Are you willing to accept a mentally-tough-but-inexperienced Colt or do you need a seen-it-all-but-not-nearly-the-upside Seneca?
My vote is for Colt but I don't have as much information as I would like.
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After seeing both Wallace and McCoy, I dont think Wallace was glareingly that much better than McCoy. So I'm going with McCoy out of them two, but if Jake's healthy he gets the start. He's the only one who really hasn't got a shot to show what he can do healthy. Let him start a couple games healthy, if he's not impressive let Colt finish out the year.
Shep, I'm curious if your feelings have changed any about my man Ricky Stanzi?
Almost 70% completion percentage, 19 tds, 2 ints, 2000 yrds. Is there a QB out there with better stats? He should be mentioned in the heisman race.
6'4" 230lbs. 3 year starter in a pro style offense, he has everything you look for in a franchise QB. You have to be warming up to him a little?
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We are all at a disadvantage here of not knowing how Colt has graded out in terms of the film room. To clarify, we know he's played well against the Steelers and Saints (and they don't come any tougher than Dick LeBeau and Gregg Williams' defenses) but was he missing reads? Did he make a lot of mistakes that weren't readily apparent on TV? I don't know the answer to that.
Seneca Wallace did not show me anything physically that McCoy can't do. The only advantage Seneca has over McCoy is the veteran experience factor because McCoy even exhibits great leadership qualities. The question then boils down to that trade off. Are you willing to accept a mentally-tough-but-inexperienced Colt or do you need a seen-it-all-but-not-nearly-the-upside Seneca?
My vote is for Colt but I don't have as much information as I would like.
We are all at a disadvantage here of not knowing how Colt has graded out in terms of the film room. To clarify, we know he's played well against the Steelers and Saints (and they don't come any tougher than Dick LeBeau and Gregg Williams' defenses) but was he missing reads? Did he make a lot of mistakes that weren't readily apparent on TV? I don't know the answer to that.
Seneca Wallace did not show me anything physically that McCoy can't do. The only advantage Seneca has over McCoy is the veteran experience factor because McCoy even exhibits great leadership qualities. The question then boils down to that trade off. Are you willing to accept a mentally-tough-but-inexperienced Colt or do you need a seen-it-all-but-not-nearly-the-upside Seneca?
My vote is for Colt but I don't have as much information as I would like.
Overwhelmingly this. (But I think the HC will see it differently).
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Whoever is better for the team NOW. I don't care about next year.........yet. There mite not even be a next year
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I start Wallace.
Colt needs more experience no doubt, but you don't throw a fairly talented veteran QB with 7 years left to the junk heap.
At this point there is no question Wallace is the better QB.
It's time to get off these goober questions and think logically.
Colt has a future, but he is the 3rd stringer who needs to season a bit. Wallace is seasoned. It's time to look his way and see if he is the guy because he is as ready as he will become.
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You gotta believe the decision will probably point to the conclusion of the season being declared if it's McCoy.
I am not saying he can't get it done , but if you make the change , you got to ride it out to it's natural conclusion.
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Kind of where i am coming from as well.
If we name McCoy and more or less lose out, there is nothing to fall back on and pretty much tells the league in which direction we are looking in the draft.....every Tom, Dick, and Harry who might want a QB will be working to get ahead of us in the draft if they already aren't.
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Kind of where i am coming from as well.
If we name McCoy and more or less lose out, there is nothing to fall back on and pretty much tells the league in which direction we are looking in the draft.....every Tom, Dick, and Harry who might want a QB will be working to get ahead of us in the draft if they already aren't.
Kind of where i am coming from as well.
If we name McCoy and more or less lose out, there is nothing to fall back on and pretty much tells the league in which direction we are looking in the draft.....every Tom, Dick, and Harry who might want a QB will be working to get ahead of us in the draft if they already aren't.
According to many experts the best quarterback (Stanzi) will be available after the 4th rd. So no worrys
I think he goes first round though, my expert opinion
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We're not talking about picking McCoy over Matt Hasselbeck. We're talking about a lifetime backup and a guy who got cut by a team with nobody but Matt Moore... and was wanted as a starter by nobody else. You don't have to do much to beat out those two.
Frankly, watching McCoy the last two games, I'm not convinced that Wallace gives us a better chance to win right now, let alone next year. And at 2-5, it's naive to think that "next year" isn't part of every equation. It's not the whole thing... but it's part of it. It's not an either/or.
But I totally agree with Zombo, and said as much when both were signed: At this point, Wallace is a better quarterback than Delhomme. A lot of time has passed since Delhomme was a very good starting quarterback in this league.
But it's a valid question: Is McCoy better for us next year if he starts 11 games? Or just 2? He's shown he won't shit the bed or "be ruined," given that we have great pass protection, a good running game, a nice set of safety blankets (tight ends), a back who can catch, and a defense that doesn't give up a ton of points.
I would say McCoy is a much more valuable starter next season after starting 11 games this season. And I think that's really important because after another draft and another round of free agency, we can compete for a playoff spot IF we get high level QB play all season. Otherwise... not so much.
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Seneca not practicing again. What the heck? Same injury?
Must be colt again. All this experience he's getting is good but he is still a rook and I'd hate see something happen to him because of rookie Mistake but I guess that's part of the game.
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Perhaps we should use a simple bit of logic here:
Seneca Wallace was brought in to be the "Backup QB", right? Then let him continue in that role that he was hired for, whether he is "backing up" "The Man" or "The Son of Fire". If whichever one of them that starts falters, then he is there to do his job as the backup.
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Had Jake and Seneca not been injured Colt would likely have sat out the year. When they got hurt, it was appropriate to give Colt a shot. I think he surprised just about everyone with how well he played given the opponents faced. He hasn't lit up the world as a superstar but he has been able to read defenses, avoid turnovers, make onfield adjustments, and gain the respect of the players. Aren't these things that many rookie QB's don't overcome?
Now that he's playing I suspect you will see him start 4-5 games so Holmgren, etc. can take a good look at him. If he improves and the team keeps winning, he will likely stay the starter and don't be surprised if Jake's ankle stays hurt.
I am a big time Texas/Colt McCoy fan but I think there are two ways to look at this.
#1--Colt is the future starting QB. If this is true, play him and get him all the playing time you can.
#2--Colt is the future backup QB. If this is true, play him as much as you can to get him experienced for next year.
I don't know what the Browns front office thinking is. My guess is they'd love to check off the futrue QB with staff already on hand and then move on with other critical needs.
I also know this. If the Browns coaching staff can ink out more wins with the folks they have, they prove they are the right folks for the jobs they hold. If that can also be checked off the list, that is a huge accomplishment this season from the Homgren perspective.
What if......
Browns end up with a winning season or near it.
McCoy plays well for the rest of the year.
For the rest of the year, coaches prepare well for games, don't lose games they should win, and win games they are expected to lose.
Wow, what a good place to be at the end of the year for the Browns franchise. This is how franchises are built and Holmgren has done it before. Just saying.....
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gotta be colt. unless the browns management thinks they are gonna make a legitimate run this year (*snort*) then i think the more game time colt gets under his belt will be growing pains he dosen't have to experience next year when this team will have a chance of being competitive.
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Had Jake and Seneca not been injured Colt would likely have sat out the year. When they got hurt, it was appropriate to give Colt a shot. I think he surprised just about everyone with how well he played given the opponents faced. He hasn't lit up the world as a superstar but he has been able to read defenses, avoid turnovers, make onfield adjustments, and gain the respect of the players. Aren't these things that many rookie QB's don't overcome?
Now that he's playing I suspect you will see him start 4-5 games so Holmgren, etc. can take a good look at him. If he improves and the team keeps winning, he will likely stay the starter and don't be surprised if Jake's ankle stays hurt.
I am a big time Texas/Colt McCoy fan but I think there are two ways to look at this.
#1--Colt is the future starting QB. If this is true, play him and get him all the playing time you can.
#2--Colt is the future backup QB. If this is true, play him as much as you can to get him experienced for next year.
I don't know what the Browns front office thinking is. My guess is they'd love to check off the futrue QB with staff already on hand and then move on with other critical needs.
I also know this. If the Browns coaching staff can ink out more wins with the folks they have, they prove they are the right folks for the jobs they hold. If that can also be checked off the list, that is a huge accomplishment this season from the Homgren perspective.
What if......
Browns end up with a winning season or near it.
McCoy plays well for the rest of the year.
For the rest of the year, coaches prepare well for games, don't lose games they should win, and win games they are expected to lose.
Wow, what a good place to be at the end of the year for the Browns franchise. This is how franchises are built and Holmgren has done it before. Just saying.....
#2--Colt is the future backup QB. If this is true, play him as much as you can to get him experienced for next year.
I doubt Colt is really interested in being a career backup. He's not the type to create drama, of course, but I believe Holmgren would try to find another team where he could get in the mix for the starting job instead of giving him a long term #2 spot.
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Seneca didn't practice this week so I expect Colt this week. Holmgren said it would be bad to start someone just to find out about the future so after this week it will probably depend upon who gives them the best chance to win. If they manage to beat NE with colt at the helm I think he will stay there.
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Seneca didn't practice this week so I expect Colt this week. Holmgren said it would be bad to start someone just to find out about the future so after this week it will probably depend upon who gives them the best chance to win. If they manage to beat NE with colt at the helm I think he will stay there.
Seneca didn't practice this week so I expect Colt this week. Holmgren said it would be bad to start someone just to find out about the future so after this week it will probably depend upon who gives them the best chance to win. If they manage to beat NE with colt at the helm I think he will stay there.
I think if somehow he were to play well and beat NE that would make him 2-1 against three good teams. It would be hard to argue that he doesn't give you the best chance to win if that were the case.
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