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    G GRAVY_insane wrote on last edited by
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    I'd be happy with Curry or Rey. They would bring much needed attitude and playmaking ability that this D needs.

    I would prefer Curry based on his versatility and ability to be more of a "chess" piece for a stong D-Coordinator.

    I really hope whoever is the GM this offseason picks the right guy for whatever sceme we will be running next season!

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      @shepwrite said:

      Very funny, Alo!

      Strangely, I read something on Curry this morning that made me think I might be off base as far as the 3-4. I didn't realize he was 250+ pounds, for one thing.

      Scout.com's Chris Steuber's just did an interesting interview with Curry. In it, Curry says that he sees himself "as a Julius Peppers at the SAM linebacker. If you put one man on me, they’re not going to be able to block me."

      It's worth reading the whole thing, though I can't resist quoting this part:

      CS: Do you have film sessions with the same scouts from teams that regularly attend games or has it been multiple scouts from numerous teams?

      Curry: It’s been multiple scouts. I’ve seen scouts from the Lions, Falcons, Dolphins, Patriots and Jaguars; they sent two or three scouts at a time. I’ve met with almost every team and like I said, a few teams have sent two or three scouts.

      Man, I wish he'd mentioned the Browns. And I sincerely hope that the Jags aren't truly considering taking Curry with their 1st Round pick, which very easily could be before ours.

      That would suck.

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        Man, I wish he'd mentioned the Browns. And I sincerely hope that the Jags aren't truly considering taking Curry with their 1st Round pick, which very easily could be before ours.

        That would suck

        Remember, when Savage sees who he really wants, he doesn't make a big scouting prescence. He did nothing for Edwards and very little for Thomas. He may know he wants Curry and if he's available, otherwise he'll scout his options/second choices

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          Man, I wish he'd mentioned the Browns. And I sincerely hope that the Jags aren't truly considering taking Curry with their 1st Round pick, which very easily could be before ours.

          That would suck

          Remember, when Savage sees who he really wants, he doesn't make a big scouting prescence. He did nothing for Edwards and very little for Thomas. He may know he wants Curry and if he's available, otherwise he'll scout his options/second choices

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          @dieselpusher said:

          Man, I wish he'd mentioned the Browns. And I sincerely hope that the Jags aren't truly considering taking Curry with their 1st Round pick, which very easily could be before ours.

          That would suck

          Remember, when Savage sees who he really wants, he doesn't make a big scouting prescence. He did nothing for Edwards and very little for Thomas. He may know he wants Curry and if he's available, otherwise he'll scout his options/second choices

          Yeah, Phillip talks up guys he doesn't want to touch with a ten foot pole (Jafaticus Russell) and doesn't say a word about guys he wants (Thomas, Edwards, Queen to an extent and even Rogers as an FA).

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            Good point, Diesel & Riff.

            And I'm hoping that Phil wasn't seriously interested in Russell. IIRC, Chris Mortensen reported the day of the draft that Phil called Crazy Al about a possible trade-up, but Al's insane demands (our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Round picks + Kamerion Wimbley) were too steep.

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              @shepwrite said:

              Very funny, Alo!

              Strangely, I read something on Curry this morning that made me think I might be off base as far as the 3-4. I didn't realize he was 250+ pounds, for one thing.

              Guys I like: Curry, Rey, Orakpo, and Beanie.

              FYI, Mike Mayock talks about Curry's "scheme versatility" in the video on this page of his top 20 senior prospects. He lists Curry as the #1 overall player.

              http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=090...mp;confirm=true

              -Al

              EDIT: BTW, great find on what to look for in 3-4 players, John.

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                Other then a few OTs, he doesn't have a skilled offensive player in his top 20. Something wrong with that. I guess it isn't set because the under clasmen haven't declared yet, but still, that's a little too one sided.

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                  he certainly seems to be rising faster than other prospects, at least on this board.

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                    @shepwrite said:

                    Very funny, Alo!

                    Strangely, I read something on Curry this morning that made me think I might be off base as far as the 3-4. I didn't realize he was 250+ pounds, for one thing.

                    Guys I like: Curry, Rey, Orakpo, and Beanie.

                    FYI, Mike Mayock talks about Curry's "scheme versatility" in the video on this page of his top 20 senior prospects. He lists Curry as the #1 overall player.

                    http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=090...mp;confirm=true

                    -Al

                    EDIT: BTW, great find on what to look for in 3-4 players, John.

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                    FYI, Mike Mayock talks about Curry's "scheme versatility" in the video on this page of his top 20 senior prospects. He lists Curry as the #1 overall player.

                    http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=090...mp;confirm=true

                    Thanks for linking to that, Al. The Mayock video is really interesting. Calling a prospect "the ultimate package" seems like pretty high praise.

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                      FYI, Mike Mayock talks about Curry's "scheme versatility" in the video on this page of his top 20 senior prospects. He lists Curry as the #1 overall player.

                      http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=090...mp;confirm=true

                      Thanks for linking to that, Al. The Mayock video is really interesting. Calling a prospect "the ultimate package" seems like pretty high praise.

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                      Aloysius said:

                      Thanks for linking to that, Al. The Mayock video is really interesting. Calling a prospect "the ultimate package" seems like pretty high praise.

                      Scott Wright ranks him #1 (among seniors) as well:

                      http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Rankings.php

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                        @geech said:

                        FYI, Mike Mayock talks about Curry's "scheme versatility" in the video on this page of his top 20 senior prospects. He lists Curry as the #1 overall player.

                        http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=090...mp;confirm=true

                        Thanks for linking to that, Al. The Mayock video is really interesting. Calling a prospect "the ultimate package" seems like pretty high praise.

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                        Aloysius said:

                        Thanks for linking to that, Al. The Mayock video is really interesting. Calling a prospect "the ultimate package" seems like pretty high praise.

                        When you're talking about LBer prospects - you HAVE to like the versatile guys that offer enough flexibility to play in a 3-4 or a 4-3. A big reason for that is if you look at the NE Patriots they never switched to a 3-4 because they PREFERRED the scheme when they first went to it. The season they first made the switch they had to because of all the unexpected injuries to their dline at the time. Starters were injured on and off and Klecko, their rotation guy, got injured as well so they did a msterful job at problem solving their way into a very fortunate fate with the alignment change.

                        Curry looks like he can play in any scheme AND like he can play inside or outside. Watching those highlights you treated us to in the other thread Aloy - I saw GREAT first step instincts. The kind that prevent him from needing to tell the coach he got blocked or why he wasn't back in coverage. He's already showing the know-how to strip the ball from the ballcarrier pre-draft. This is just my opinion so I'm sure others won't agree but the LESS prerequisites you need to teach kids - the better their chances of success are at the next level.

                        While I think players can ALWAYS learn, I just don't think a Ray Lewis or Lawrence Taylor needed to be invented by a Coach. Marvin Lewis didn't MAKE Ray Lewis. Throw in your favorite legend and notice your great ones came blessed with instincts that seperated them from ordinary. I'm not saying coaching isn't important - I'm just saying you want the guys where you only need to do some fine tuning and they're flexible enough for any system. You always hear Ray Lewis plays fast and ironically a disappointing 40 time had him down near the 26th or 27th pick of round 1. That said, this is one guy you throw away the 40 yard dash significance in lieu of how fast he shows up frequently on film. If you got a scout that knows what the hell he's doing - he can only see "plays fast" on film. That's what the adorable highlights of Curry show us too. I don't care what he runs his forty in after watching the footage of him.

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                          I'm starting to lean toward Wells.

                          It goes against all common sense to look at a back with an iffy injury history when we are so desperate to shore up this defense, but I've seen Lewis leave yards all over the field this year. Wells has great cutback ability and vision, which makes him a breakaway threat at any time. He also uses stiff arms with either hand that are lethal and is damn shifty for a guy his size.

                          To me, he satisfies two needs at back. One, he is the size needed in this division and for the winter months, and two, he still provides breakaway ability that this team lacks. Since RAC 'n ROLLS thinks Harrison will steal his M and M's stash if he plays him, we are still iffy on his status. I think both Harrison and Wells give us a pretty dynamic backfield as long as we get a coach in here that knows how to use them properly.

                          Sorry, I hate to think all pretty and prima donna-ish with the needs we have on defense ie. ILB (someone to pair with Jackson), OLB (someone who can get to the QB), DE (someone more athletic than Smith) or stud safety, but Queen and a dynamic and big back can really change the whole dynamic of this offense (Ryan/Turner). I think it makes the biggest impact, definitely more so than taking a stab at another Wimbley or something. Look what Gholston is doing this year, I'd rather see someone who can come in and seriously impact the team from the get go.

                          We could still keep Lewis and maybe Wright also, which gives insurance if Wells' injury history crops up.

                          I will say this, I ran into a guy at the gas station last year and we started rapping about the Buckeyes. When the subject of Wells came up, he told me he coached Wells in pee wees and on JV's. I don't know how much stock to put into this guy, but he certainly didn't seem to need to lie to impress me or anything. He said Wells has chronically bad ankles that are genetic. Basically, his tendons and ligaments aren't as strong as they should be and it runs in his family. However, this was last year when he was gimpy all season with an ankle problem, so this guy could literally be a crazy guy trying to act like he's an insider or something. Wells' issues this year had nothing to do with the ankles, it was just the freak toe thing. He also fought wrist issues in the past two seasons, but I don't envision him being as injury prone as people say. He's basically played through everything outside of the toe thing this year, so perhaps this says something about his toughness more than his being injury prone.

                          Even if he turns out to be a guy who only gives you 12 games a year, those 12 games he can be a huge impact. Good teams can function without their primary back, but that primary back can be massive in the games he does play.

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                            wells is a terrible idea with what we need on defense. if we can get curry, it really seems like that's what we should do. if we can't, there are other LB prospects that would benefit us more than taking wells (maualuga, cushing) or a safety in mays who hits like a linebacker. polamolu is the face of pittsburgh's D.

                            we're not talking about rushing the passer, here. we're talking about stopping the run and hitting people. it's a lot easier to project MLBs than it is pass rushers.

                            it's just easier to find impact RBs in later rounds than it is to find a ready-to-play LB. guys can be coached into form, but late-round RBs can make more of an impact as rookies than LBs can unless you've got a good scheme, which we don't know that we will.

                            while i agree that we need to upgrade our RB corps, it just makes more sense to go after a player who can impact the game more. a RB really only makes a difference when he's got the ball in his hands, which can happen, in the best-case scenario, thirty times a game.

                            a LB has a chance to impact the game on every play he's in.

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                              wells is a terrible idea with what we need on defense. if we can get curry, it really seems like that's what we should do. if we can't, there are other LB prospects that would benefit us more than taking wells (maualuga, cushing) or a safety in mays who hits like a linebacker. polamolu is the face of pittsburgh's D.

                              we're not talking about rushing the passer, here. we're talking about stopping the run and hitting people. it's a lot easier to project MLBs than it is pass rushers.

                              it's just easier to find impact RBs in later rounds than it is to find a ready-to-play LB. guys can be coached into form, but late-round RBs can make more of an impact as rookies than LBs can unless you've got a good scheme, which we don't know that we will.

                              while i agree that we need to upgrade our RB corps, it just makes more sense to go after a player who can impact the game more. a RB really only makes a difference when he's got the ball in his hands, which can happen, in the best-case scenario, thirty times a game.

                              a LB has a chance to impact the game on every play he's in.

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                              @jewdago said:

                              wells is a terrible idea with what we need on defense. if we can get curry, it really seems like that's what we should do. if we can't, there are other LB prospects that would benefit us more than taking wells (maualuga, cushing) or a safety in mays who hits like a linebacker. polamolu is the face of pittsburgh's D.

                              we're not talking about rushing the passer, here. we're talking about stopping the run and hitting people. it's a lot easier to project MLBs than it is pass rushers.

                              it's just easier to find impact RBs in later rounds than it is to find a ready-to-play LB. guys can be coached into form, but late-round RBs can make more of an impact as rookies than LBs can unless you've got a good scheme, which we don't know that we will.

                              while i agree that we need to upgrade our RB corps, it just makes more sense to go after a player who can impact the game more. a RB really only makes a difference when he's got the ball in his hands, which can happen, in the best-case scenario, thirty times a game.

                              a LB has a chance to impact the game on every play he's in.

                              Those are good points Jew, but I think Wells is a dynamic back given his whole package. Just as you can find backs in round two or three, I don't believe you can get what Wells brings to the table.

                              I think you can score with a backer in round two or three.

                              Again, I'm looking at immediate impact here, and a guy like Wells can affect this team dramatically from the get go more than a ILB can IMO.

                              That being said, I'll probably change my mind twenty times before the draft.

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                                I'm starting to lean toward Wells.

                                It goes against all common sense to look at a back with an iffy injury history when we are so desperate to shore up this defense, but I've seen Lewis leave yards all over the field this year. Wells has great cutback ability and vision, which makes him a breakaway threat at any time. He also uses stiff arms with either hand that are lethal and is damn shifty for a guy his size.

                                To me, he satisfies two needs at back. One, he is the size needed in this division and for the winter months, and two, he still provides breakaway ability that this team lacks. Since RAC 'n ROLLS thinks Harrison will steal his M and M's stash if he plays him, we are still iffy on his status. I think both Harrison and Wells give us a pretty dynamic backfield as long as we get a coach in here that knows how to use them properly.

                                Sorry, I hate to think all pretty and prima donna-ish with the needs we have on defense ie. ILB (someone to pair with Jackson), OLB (someone who can get to the QB), DE (someone more athletic than Smith) or stud safety, but Queen and a dynamic and big back can really change the whole dynamic of this offense (Ryan/Turner). I think it makes the biggest impact, definitely more so than taking a stab at another Wimbley or something. Look what Gholston is doing this year, I'd rather see someone who can come in and seriously impact the team from the get go.

                                We could still keep Lewis and maybe Wright also, which gives insurance if Wells' injury history crops up.

                                I will say this, I ran into a guy at the gas station last year and we started rapping about the Buckeyes. When the subject of Wells came up, he told me he coached Wells in pee wees and on JV's. I don't know how much stock to put into this guy, but he certainly didn't seem to need to lie to impress me or anything. He said Wells has chronically bad ankles that are genetic. Basically, his tendons and ligaments aren't as strong as they should be and it runs in his family. However, this was last year when he was gimpy all season with an ankle problem, so this guy could literally be a crazy guy trying to act like he's an insider or something. Wells' issues this year had nothing to do with the ankles, it was just the freak toe thing. He also fought wrist issues in the past two seasons, but I don't envision him being as injury prone as people say. He's basically played through everything outside of the toe thing this year, so perhaps this says something about his toughness more than his being injury prone.

                                Even if he turns out to be a guy who only gives you 12 games a year, those 12 games he can be a huge impact. Good teams can function without their primary back, but that primary back can be massive in the games he does play.

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                                I will say this, I ran into a guy at the gas station last year and we started rapping about the Buckeyes. When the subject of Wells came up, he told me he coached Wells in pee wees and on JV's. I don't know how much stock to put into this guy, but he certainly didn't seem to need to lie to impress me or anything. He said Wells has chronically bad ankles that are genetic. Basically, his tendons and ligaments aren't as strong as they should be and it runs in his family. However, this was last year when he was gimpy all season with an ankle problem, so this guy could literally be a crazy guy trying to act like he's an insider or something. Wells' issues this year had nothing to do with the ankles, it was just the freak toe thing. He also fought wrist issues in the past two seasons, but I don't envision him being as injury prone as people say. He's basically played through everything outside of the toe thing this year, so perhaps this says something about his toughness more than his being injury prone.

                                I call BS - how would this guy know that Wells ankle problems (if any) are 'genetic'.

                                I find it hard to believe the guy has made it this far without a pretty consistent injury history at the college level. I'm not saying he definitely doesn't have a problem, but how would a peewee/JV coach know anything about his genetics?

                                However, I think RB is below the need for LB/DL and maybe even wide receiver. If all of our favorit Defensive guys are off the board at that point (highly doubtful), I'd try and dump the pick on someone else. Maybe get two firsts out of the next draft when we have a year under the new coach and no who really can't perform and who was just a victim of scheme/poor coaching.

                                As far as CB's go, I don't think drafting one in the first round is the right answer - who's going to teach him on the field? I'd say look for an experienced CB in free agency.

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                                  @ riffer: i agree that you can get a LB in two or three, just not one that's the quality that curry, maualuga, spikes or cushing are. the RBs that we'd get later maybe wouldn't be as complete as wells, but i'm not a believer that RBs need to be complete players to succeed. guys like purple jesus and LdT (before he broke down) are great, but they only come along about every five years or so, and i don't think that wells is that kind of back.

                                  as far as a RB vs LB having more immediate impact, i think that's a philosophical difference. looking at the vikings, they were already a strong running team when they got purple jesus, and he put them over the top and transformed them into a great running team. had he gone to a bad running team, i don't think he'd have the success he does.

                                  i will admit that we'd be a much better running team with a better RB.

                                  however, if you look at what patrick willis did for san francisco, his presence alone changed that defense. he makes plays all over the field and changes games.

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                                    If we end up drafting any lower than 5th, I'm thinking Curry's gone.

                                    Jacksonville just beat the Packers, which puts them at 5-9. As long as we stay ahead of Jax in the draft order, I think we have a very good chance of getting Curry.

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                                      If we end up drafting any lower than 5th, I'm thinking Curry's gone.

                                      Jacksonville just beat the Packers, which puts them at 5-9. As long as we stay ahead of Jax in the draft order, I think we have a very good chance of getting Curry.

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                                      Jacksonville just beat the Packers, which puts them at 5-9. As long as we stay ahead of Jax in the draft order, I think we have a very good chance of getting Curry.

                                      I agree. There have only been 2 top 5 LBs in the past 10 years, and I doubt this year's this year's top 5 will make it past the QBs, O-line, and Crabtree. Of course, it's almost impossible to tell this far in advance. At least a handful of day one players will drop or move up a full round between now and Spring.

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                                        Aloysius said:

                                        Thanks for linking to that, Al. The Mayock video is really interesting. Calling a prospect "the ultimate package" seems like pretty high praise.

                                        When you're talking about LBer prospects - you HAVE to like the versatile guys that offer enough flexibility to play in a 3-4 or a 4-3. A big reason for that is if you look at the NE Patriots they never switched to a 3-4 because they PREFERRED the scheme when they first went to it. The season they first made the switch they had to because of all the unexpected injuries to their dline at the time. Starters were injured on and off and Klecko, their rotation guy, got injured as well so they did a msterful job at problem solving their way into a very fortunate fate with the alignment change.

                                        Curry looks like he can play in any scheme AND like he can play inside or outside. Watching those highlights you treated us to in the other thread Aloy - I saw GREAT first step instincts. The kind that prevent him from needing to tell the coach he got blocked or why he wasn't back in coverage. He's already showing the know-how to strip the ball from the ballcarrier pre-draft. This is just my opinion so I'm sure others won't agree but the LESS prerequisites you need to teach kids - the better their chances of success are at the next level.

                                        While I think players can ALWAYS learn, I just don't think a Ray Lewis or Lawrence Taylor needed to be invented by a Coach. Marvin Lewis didn't MAKE Ray Lewis. Throw in your favorite legend and notice your great ones came blessed with instincts that seperated them from ordinary. I'm not saying coaching isn't important - I'm just saying you want the guys where you only need to do some fine tuning and they're flexible enough for any system. You always hear Ray Lewis plays fast and ironically a disappointing 40 time had him down near the 26th or 27th pick of round 1. That said, this is one guy you throw away the 40 yard dash significance in lieu of how fast he shows up frequently on film. If you got a scout that knows what the hell he's doing - he can only see "plays fast" on film. That's what the adorable highlights of Curry show us too. I don't care what he runs his forty in after watching the footage of him.

                                        - Tom F. (I always have queer-eye for LBers and RBs)

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                                        Curry looks like he can play in any scheme AND like he can play inside or outside. Watching those highlights you treated us to in the other thread Aloy - I saw GREAT first step instincts. The kind that prevent him from needing to tell the coach he got blocked or why he wasn't back in coverage. He's already showing the know-how to strip the ball from the ballcarrier pre-draft. This is just my opinion so I'm sure others won't agree but the LESS prerequisites you need to teach kids - the better their chances of success are at the next level.

                                        Great point, Tom. In this clip, Mayock talks about Curry's great instincts, how he "trusts what he sees." When I first saw Curry blow up that screen play in the Ole Miss game, I thought to myself, "Okay, this is the guy we need."

                                        And you're right about him being good at stripping & recovering the ball. I love that play against Virginia where he grabs the running back, strips the ball with his right hand, then dives & cradles the ball with his left hand. Great stuff.

                                        Even in games where he's been less than dominant this season (like the BC game), those talents have a way of popping up. He notched a bunch of tackles in that game, recovered a fumble, and tackled BC's QB so hard that he had to leave the game. And that was probably Curry's worst game of the season.

                                        Another thing that hasn't been mentioned: because Curry plays 4-3 SLB, he's got a lot of experience covering TE's. For a while, it seemed like Leon Williams was going to develop into our athletic TE-covering linebacker, but he's regressed this year.

                                        It's probably not a coincidence that two of our worst defensive performances this year involved TE's running through our defense (Jason Witten's 6 catches, 96 yards Week 1; Denver's two TE's combining for 7 catches, 142 yards & a TD Week 10).

                                        Curry would help prevent those TE's from running through our defense. Though I don't think Maualuga's coverage issues are as bad as some have made them out to be, he probably wouldn't be able to do the same for our defense.

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                                          Curry looks like he can play in any scheme AND like he can play inside or outside. Watching those highlights you treated us to in the other thread Aloy - I saw GREAT first step instincts. The kind that prevent him from needing to tell the coach he got blocked or why he wasn't back in coverage. He's already showing the know-how to strip the ball from the ballcarrier pre-draft. This is just my opinion so I'm sure others won't agree but the LESS prerequisites you need to teach kids - the better their chances of success are at the next level.

                                          Great point, Tom. In this clip, Mayock talks about Curry's great instincts, how he "trusts what he sees." When I first saw Curry blow up that screen play in the Ole Miss game, I thought to myself, "Okay, this is the guy we need."

                                          And you're right about him being good at stripping & recovering the ball. I love that play against Virginia where he grabs the running back, strips the ball with his right hand, then dives & cradles the ball with his left hand. Great stuff.

                                          Even in games where he's been less than dominant this season (like the BC game), those talents have a way of popping up. He notched a bunch of tackles in that game, recovered a fumble, and tackled BC's QB so hard that he had to leave the game. And that was probably Curry's worst game of the season.

                                          Another thing that hasn't been mentioned: because Curry plays 4-3 SLB, he's got a lot of experience covering TE's. For a while, it seemed like Leon Williams was going to develop into our athletic TE-covering linebacker, but he's regressed this year.

                                          It's probably not a coincidence that two of our worst defensive performances this year involved TE's running through our defense (Jason Witten's 6 catches, 96 yards Week 1; Denver's two TE's combining for 7 catches, 142 yards & a TD Week 10).

                                          Curry would help prevent those TE's from running through our defense. Though I don't think Maualuga's coverage issues are as bad as some have made them out to be, he probably wouldn't be able to do the same for our defense.

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                                          Aloysius said:

                                          Another thing that hasn't been mentioned: because Curry plays 4-3 SLB, he's got a lot of experience covering TE's. For a while, it seemed like Leon Williams was going to develop into our athletic TE-covering linebacker, but he's regressed this year.

                                          Thanks Aloy!

                                          The thing about Leon Williams that jumps out at me is that his mental mistakes at Miami kept getting him yanked from the starting lineup. He's ambitious, works hard and hustles but does he have that first step instinct we're talking about? If he did, he would have remained a starter at Miami AND he could have become one here. He's a nice kid to have around for kick coverage teams but I doubt we'll ever teach him instinct for anything more.

                                          I wouldn't have a problem with any of these 3 kids:

                                          Rey, Curry or Taylor Mays (only if the first 2 are off the board though).

                                          BTW, did you watch the 60 Minutes special on Pete Carroll last night? The highlight they showed of USC was a long interception return for a TD by Rey. It's not the same one I saw in his All American films BUT it certainly reassures his BIGTIME playmaking appeal. How many times do we see Ray Lewis taking interceptions for TDs? Right place + right time = Instincts we need. I want that guy that beats the intended receiver to the ball in his hook zone. If you're 1 step too slow - you're always tackling the guy after the catch. Curry shows me the same type of appeal. You've done a great job of showing us he needs to count in our first round consideration.

                                          We need to be careful about getting too caught up in stats folks. Want an example? Steve Slaton. Who saw him coming? He's the type of guy that you break out the film on and see MORE than his stats will show you. Another example was Wali Rainer. Back when he played. people on our old board were upset his tackle volume didn't get recognized while they forgot to realize Corey Dillon always seemed to be closing in on 200 yards by the 3rd quarter on all the cutback runs crossing Wali's face. What I liked about Wali was he never gave up on a play so even though he rarely made tackles where we needed him to - he usually got the guy 20 yards down field on pursuit angles. Horrible football instincts but pursuit angles are COACHABLES that you can equip your non-instictive types with.

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