Colt should start the rest of the season
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In my opinion its people such as yourself that jump all over the topic of skin color when its brought up that allows racism to even continue being an issue in this country. Just let it go man
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Right. The goof that initiated it isn't at fault. It's my fault. In my opinion, it's people such as yourself who ignores stuff, and thinks
the stuff, therefore, never happened. You must be in college... discrimination was never the issue at all.
Shep and I fuss at each other once in a while. Butt out, buttinski.
On May 4th, I hope they have a giant anti-war rally in your living room.
In my opinion its people such as yourself that jump all over the topic of skin color when its brought up that allows racism to even continue being an issue in this country. Just let it go man
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Right. The goof that initiated it isn't at fault. It's my fault. In my opinion, it's people such as yourself who ignores stuff, and thinks
the stuff, therefore, never happened. You must be in college... discrimination was never the issue at all.
Shep and I fuss at each other once in a while. Butt out, buttinski.
On May 4th, I hope they have a giant anti-war rally in your living room.
lol, i don't even wanna touch this one... He mentioned some guys were white and you flipped out, YOU are the racist. Is "buttinski" supposed to be offensive or insulting in some way?
Every post I read by you gets progressivley worse and this one is no exception. Is there an ignore feature on this board?Can we just get back on the topic of Colt? If you want to shit talk me or argue, I'm pretty sure you can PM me or something, I'm sure it would be an amusing read for me so I welcome you to do so.
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His throw to Watson to set up the first PH TD, his throw to PH on 3rd down, and the 3 3rd down completions he had added on to those plays were not QB like plays that did something for the last game that we won. Right?
you are crediting colt for peyton hillis' success? WHAT?
im sorry but its definitly the other way around
you are crediting colt for peyton hillis' success? WHAT?
im sorry but its definitly the other way around
I thought I emphasized, Colt's 5 3rd down completions. Colt's 30 yard throw to Evan Moore that set up Hillis. And Colt's throw, while on the run, to Peyton - that set up additional points.
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His throw to Watson to set up the first PH TD, his throw to PH on 3rd down, and the 3 3rd down completions he had added on to those plays were not QB like plays that did something for the last game that we won. Right?
you are crediting colt for peyton hillis' success? WHAT?
im sorry but its definitly the other way around
you are crediting colt for peyton hillis' success? WHAT?
im sorry but its definitly the other way around
Not sure what game you were watching? Yes Hillis had a great game, but don't you think some of that is because the Pats had to respect our passing game a little bit? Passing opens up the running game and the running game opens up the passing game. I think Colt did what he needed to do to help win the game. He is not lighting it up in the passing game but who would with the recievers we have? He has done enough to continue to be the starter. Just maybe its the Browns turn to find that diamond in the rough QB!
Does this sound familiar?...............
2004 season
Roethlisberger did not immediately step in as the starting quarterback for the Steelers. He was the No. 3 QB behind Tommy Maddox and Charlie Batch. When Batch was injured in the preseason, however, Roethlisberger moved up to no. 2. Maddox started, and won, the season opener against the Raiders and started versus the Ravens. But after an ineffective outing and third-quarter injury to Maddox, Roethlisberger stepped in for his first NFL action. Despite spurring a mild comeback, the Steelers lost the game. Maddox's injury changed the Steelers' original plan for Roethlisberger, which was for him to sit on the bench or play sparingly during the first season or two in order to learn the team's system. Instead, he started the third game of the season.
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you are crediting colt for peyton hillis' success? WHAT?
im sorry but its definitly the other way around
Not sure what game you were watching? Yes Hillis had a great game, but don't you think some of that is because the Pats had to respect our passing game a little bit? Passing opens up the running game and the running game opens up the passing game. I think Colt did what he needed to do to help win the game. He is not lighting it up in the passing game but who would with the recievers we have? He has done enough to continue to be the starter. Just maybe its the Browns turn to find that diamond in the rough QB!
Does this sound familiar?...............
2004 season
Roethlisberger did not immediately step in as the starting quarterback for the Steelers. He was the No. 3 QB behind Tommy Maddox and Charlie Batch. When Batch was injured in the preseason, however, Roethlisberger moved up to no. 2. Maddox started, and won, the season opener against the Raiders and started versus the Ravens. But after an ineffective outing and third-quarter injury to Maddox, Roethlisberger stepped in for his first NFL action. Despite spurring a mild comeback, the Steelers lost the game. Maddox's injury changed the Steelers' original plan for Roethlisberger, which was for him to sit on the bench or play sparingly during the first season or two in order to learn the team's system. Instead, he started the third game of the season.
Not sure what game you were watching? Yes Hillis had a great game, but don't you think some of that is because the Pats had to respect our passing game a little bit? Passing opens up the running game and the running game opens up the passing game. I think Colt did what he needed to do to help win the game. He is not lighting it up in the passing game but who would with the recievers we have? He has done enough to continue to be the starter. Just maybe its the Browns turn to find that diamond in the rough QB!
Does this sound familiar?...............
2004 season
Roethlisberger did not immediately step in as the starting quarterback for the Steelers. He was the No. 3 QB behind Tommy Maddox and Charlie Batch. When Batch was injured in the preseason, however, Roethlisberger moved up to no. 2. Maddox started, and won, the season opener against the Raiders and started versus the Ravens. But after an ineffective outing and third-quarter injury to Maddox, Roethlisberger stepped in for his first NFL action. Despite spurring a mild comeback, the Steelers lost the game. Maddox's injury changed the Steelers' original plan for Roethlisberger, which was for him to sit on the bench or play sparingly during the first season or two in order to learn the team's system. Instead, he started the third game of the season.
in the browns case, the running game opens up the passing game.....not the other way around
sure there are lots of examples of QBs coming in and doing well when the starters go down.....there are also lots of examples of the exact opposite
david carr, alex smith.....im not even going to get into the browns QBs because that basically sums up the history of browns QBs.....tim couch, holcomb, frye, anderson, etc etc etc
something the browns havent done over a consistant basis for several years is stick to the plan.....the plan is to let colt learn behind seneca and jake
i know browns fans are impatient but they arent makin the playoffs this year......why get him hurt and risk the future that we all know is very bright?
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you are crediting colt for peyton hillis' success? WHAT?
im sorry but its definitly the other way around
I thought I emphasized, Colt's 5 3rd down completions. Colt's 30 yard throw to Evan Moore that set up Hillis. And Colt's throw, while on the run, to Peyton - that set up additional points.
I thought I emphasized, Colt's 5 3rd down completions. Colt's 30 yard throw to Evan Moore that set up Hillis. And Colt's throw, while on the run, to Peyton - that set up additional points.
colt only had 4 3rd down completions.....and evan moore only had 17 yards receiving in the game on 1 catch
what i noticed while looking through the play by play is a lot of short passes.....a lot of this
colt mccoy pass short right
colt mccoy pass short left
colt mccoy pass short middle
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy short pass left
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy short pass left
i know the box score isnt the tell all of how the game was played and colt had 2 deep passes that were good plays.....but when the gameplan is short passes and run the ball, you are going to see a very accurate passer and not too many mistakes
even the 3rd down completions were all short passes aside from the deep one to hillis i believe for 30 yards
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Not sure what game you were watching? Yes Hillis had a great game, but don't you think some of that is because the Pats had to respect our passing game a little bit? Passing opens up the running game and the running game opens up the passing game. I think Colt did what he needed to do to help win the game. He is not lighting it up in the passing game but who would with the recievers we have? He has done enough to continue to be the starter. Just maybe its the Browns turn to find that diamond in the rough QB!
Does this sound familiar?...............
2004 season
Roethlisberger did not immediately step in as the starting quarterback for the Steelers. He was the No. 3 QB behind Tommy Maddox and Charlie Batch. When Batch was injured in the preseason, however, Roethlisberger moved up to no. 2. Maddox started, and won, the season opener against the Raiders and started versus the Ravens. But after an ineffective outing and third-quarter injury to Maddox, Roethlisberger stepped in for his first NFL action. Despite spurring a mild comeback, the Steelers lost the game. Maddox's injury changed the Steelers' original plan for Roethlisberger, which was for him to sit on the bench or play sparingly during the first season or two in order to learn the team's system. Instead, he started the third game of the season.
in the browns case, the running game opens up the passing game.....not the other way around
sure there are lots of examples of QBs coming in and doing well when the starters go down.....there are also lots of examples of the exact opposite
david carr, alex smith.....im not even going to get into the browns QBs because that basically sums up the history of browns QBs.....tim couch, holcomb, frye, anderson, etc etc etc
something the browns havent done over a consistant basis for several years is stick to the plan.....the plan is to let colt learn behind seneca and jake
i know browns fans are impatient but they arent makin the playoffs this year......why get him hurt and risk the future that we all know is very bright?
in the browns case, the running game opens up the passing game.....not the other way around
sure there are lots of examples of QBs coming in and doing well when the starters go down.....there are also lots of examples of the exact opposite
david carr, alex smith.....im not even going to get into the browns QBs because that basically sums up the history of browns QBs.....tim couch, holcomb, frye, anderson, etc etc etc
something the browns havent done over a consistant basis for several years is stick to the plan.....the plan is to let colt learn behind seneca and jake
i know browns fans are impatient but they arent makin the playoffs this year......why get him hurt and risk the future that we all know is very bright?
Because we are not making the playoffs is the reason to start him. Our season is basically over, so what is the point of going back to a QB that is only supposed to be here fora year or two or to a QB that was supposed to be a back up until he retires in 5-7 years. Since the season is just about guaranteed to end with out a playoff birth, and with a draft coming up heavy with potential franchise QB's, we need to know how good Colt is NOW. You can not guarantee that he is going to be good off of 3 games no matter how good the teams were and no matter how impressive the performance was. The rest of the season is where we will be able to judge just how good Colt is. We can't just sit back and go "the experiment is over time to put back in the old guys and hope we didn't make a mistake". This isn't like the past years where we pushed people into soon. Back then we did it because we wanted to win NOW, this year we are doing it so we can tell if we need to sell the car and pick up a newer model. We can not sit around anymore and pray and hope. We did that with Quinn and look where it got us. We NEED to know if Colt is the future starter, future back up, or future waiver wire pick up for another team. So please stop saying he is the best, the future, and continue to say how we need to sit him.
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I thought I emphasized, Colt's 5 3rd down completions. Colt's 30 yard throw to Evan Moore that set up Hillis. And Colt's throw, while on the run, to Peyton - that set up additional points.
colt only had 4 3rd down completions.....and evan moore only had 17 yards receiving in the game on 1 catch
what i noticed while looking through the play by play is a lot of short passes.....a lot of this
colt mccoy pass short right
colt mccoy pass short left
colt mccoy pass short middle
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy short pass left
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy short pass left
i know the box score isnt the tell all of how the game was played and colt had 2 deep passes that were good plays.....but when the gameplan is short passes and run the ball, you are going to see a very accurate passer and not too many mistakes
even the 3rd down completions were all short passes aside from the deep one to hillis i believe for 30 yards
colt only had 4 3rd down completions.....and evan moore only had 17 yards receiving in the game on 1 catch
what i noticed while looking through the play by play is a lot of short passes.....a lot of this
colt mccoy pass short right
colt mccoy pass short left
colt mccoy pass short middle
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy short pass left
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy short pass left
i know the box score isnt the tell all of how the game was played and colt had 2 deep passes that were good plays.....but when the gameplan is short passes and run the ball, you are going to see a very accurate passer and not too many mistakes
even the 3rd down completions were all short passes aside from the deep one to hillis i believe for 30 yards
You can't really gauge accuracy by completion percentage. A sub consistently 60% would beinaccurate, but really you have to inspect the throws themselves to get a good idea of whether he's a sharpshooter or just feasting on easy passes.
So, honestly, having watched McCoy over the course of the last three games, I think you'd have to be completely blind not to see his accuracy. The guy can thread the needle. I can see him eventually becoming one of the elite passers in the NFL in terms of accuracy. The rest of his game obviously needs to improve to be an elite passer overall, but you can't honestly say you've watched these games and still doubt that part of his game.
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I thought I emphasized, Colt's 5 3rd down completions. Colt's 30 yard throw to Evan Moore that set up Hillis. And Colt's throw, while on the run, to Peyton - that set up additional points.
colt only had 4 3rd down completions.....and evan moore only had 17 yards receiving in the game on 1 catch
what i noticed while looking through the play by play is a lot of short passes.....a lot of this
colt mccoy pass short right
colt mccoy pass short left
colt mccoy pass short middle
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy short pass left
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy short pass left
i know the box score isnt the tell all of how the game was played and colt had 2 deep passes that were good plays.....but when the gameplan is short passes and run the ball, you are going to see a very accurate passer and not too many mistakes
even the 3rd down completions were all short passes aside from the deep one to hillis i believe for 30 yards
colt only had 4 3rd down completions.....and evan moore only had 17 yards receiving in the game on 1 catch
what i noticed while looking through the play by play is a lot of short passes.....a lot of this
colt mccoy pass short right
colt mccoy pass short left
colt mccoy pass short middle
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy short pass left
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy short pass left
i know the box score isnt the tell all of how the game was played and colt had 2 deep passes that were good plays.....but when the gameplan is short passes and run the ball, you are going to see a very accurate passer and not too many mistakes
even the 3rd down completions were all short passes aside from the deep one to hillis i believe for 30 yards
ahh you must have missed the last few years of browns football
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in the browns case, the running game opens up the passing game.....not the other way around
sure there are lots of examples of QBs coming in and doing well when the starters go down.....there are also lots of examples of the exact opposite
david carr, alex smith.....im not even going to get into the browns QBs because that basically sums up the history of browns QBs.....tim couch, holcomb, frye, anderson, etc etc etc
something the browns havent done over a consistant basis for several years is stick to the plan.....the plan is to let colt learn behind seneca and jake
i know browns fans are impatient but they arent makin the playoffs this year......why get him hurt and risk the future that we all know is very bright?
Because we are not making the playoffs is the reason to start him. Our season is basically over, so what is the point of going back to a QB that is only supposed to be here fora year or two or to a QB that was supposed to be a back up until he retires in 5-7 years. Since the season is just about guaranteed to end with out a playoff birth, and with a draft coming up heavy with potential franchise QB's, we need to know how good Colt is NOW. You can not guarantee that he is going to be good off of 3 games no matter how good the teams were and no matter how impressive the performance was. The rest of the season is where we will be able to judge just how good Colt is. We can't just sit back and go "the experiment is over time to put back in the old guys and hope we didn't make a mistake". This isn't like the past years where we pushed people into soon. Back then we did it because we wanted to win NOW, this year we are doing it so we can tell if we need to sell the car and pick up a newer model. We can not sit around anymore and pray and hope. We did that with Quinn and look where it got us. We NEED to know if Colt is the future starter, future back up, or future waiver wire pick up for another team. So please stop saying he is the best, the future, and continue to say how we need to sit him.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Because we are not making the playoffs is the reason to start him. Our season is basically over, so what is the point of going back to a QB that is only supposed to be here fora year or two or to a QB that was supposed to be a back up until he retires in 5-7 years. Since the season is just about guaranteed to end with out a playoff birth, and with a draft coming up heavy with potential franchise QB's, we need to know how good Colt is NOW. You can not guarantee that he is going to be good off of 3 games no matter how good the teams were and no matter how impressive the performance was. The rest of the season is where we will be able to judge just how good Colt is. We can't just sit back and go "the experiment is over time to put back in the old guys and hope we didn't make a mistake". This isn't like the past years where we pushed people into soon. Back then we did it because we wanted to win NOW, this year we are doing it so we can tell if we need to sell the car and pick up a newer model. We can not sit around anymore and pray and hope. We did that with Quinn and look where it got us. We NEED to know if Colt is the future starter, future back up, or future waiver wire pick up for another team. So please stop saying he is the best, the future, and continue to say how we need to sit him.by starting him and knowing you are not making the playoffs, all you are doing is riskin injuries. what is the point of goin back to a QB that is only going to be here for a few years? the point is that both seneca and jake can both start for their duration here and let colt learn all the little things that he can by watchin them
aaron rodgers is a great example of this.....yea he holds the ball a little longer than he should, but that is from watching favre throw so many picks. he doesnt want to make those mistakes
colt will learn the little things like that and it will make him that much better. this isnt an experiment......colt is starting out of necessity only
how is this not like the last 20 times the browns have done this? how are you guys not wanting to push colt in to the starting lineup this soon? thats exactly what this thread is about.....you guys wanting to start an inexperienced rookie on a team with no WRs and a struggling right side of the offensive line
its a classic browns mistake if they do it again
im not saying colt is the best QB on the team.....in fact i said several times that i dont think he is. i am saying that he should be considered to be the future and that he should learn behind 2 very solid vets and a president in mike holmgren and a head coach in eric mangini that know exactly what they are doing
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colt only had 4 3rd down completions.....and evan moore only had 17 yards receiving in the game on 1 catch
what i noticed while looking through the play by play is a lot of short passes.....a lot of this
colt mccoy pass short right
colt mccoy pass short left
colt mccoy pass short middle
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy short pass left
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy incomplete deep
colt mccoy short pass left
i know the box score isnt the tell all of how the game was played and colt had 2 deep passes that were good plays.....but when the gameplan is short passes and run the ball, you are going to see a very accurate passer and not too many mistakes
even the 3rd down completions were all short passes aside from the deep one to hillis i believe for 30 yards
ahh you must have missed the last few years of browns football
ahh you must have missed the last few years of browns football
in 2008 when brady quinn got his first real taste of starting in the NFL, the gameplan was the exact same
you saw completion percentages like 65%.....66% etc
the difference was that when they tried to open up the offense, quinn couldnt handle it.......in fact the results were awful......when any browns QB is asked to throw the ball 30 times a game you are going to see a significant increase in mistakes and incompletions
not to mention the running game wasnt nearly as successful as it is this year which is actually what the browns offense is built around and why they are finding success
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Because we are not making the playoffs is the reason to start him. Our season is basically over, so what is the point of going back to a QB that is only supposed to be here fora year or two or to a QB that was supposed to be a back up until he retires in 5-7 years. Since the season is just about guaranteed to end with out a playoff birth, and with a draft coming up heavy with potential franchise QB's, we need to know how good Colt is NOW. You can not guarantee that he is going to be good off of 3 games no matter how good the teams were and no matter how impressive the performance was. The rest of the season is where we will be able to judge just how good Colt is. We can't just sit back and go "the experiment is over time to put back in the old guys and hope we didn't make a mistake". This isn't like the past years where we pushed people into soon. Back then we did it because we wanted to win NOW, this year we are doing it so we can tell if we need to sell the car and pick up a newer model. We can not sit around anymore and pray and hope. We did that with Quinn and look where it got us. We NEED to know if Colt is the future starter, future back up, or future waiver wire pick up for another team. So please stop saying he is the best, the future, and continue to say how we need to sit him.by starting him and knowing you are not making the playoffs, all you are doing is riskin injuries. what is the point of goin back to a QB that is only going to be here for a few years? the point is that both seneca and jake can both start for their duration here and let colt learn all the little things that he can by watchin them
aaron rodgers is a great example of this.....yea he holds the ball a little longer than he should, but that is from watching favre throw so many picks. he doesnt want to make those mistakes
colt will learn the little things like that and it will make him that much better. this isnt an experiment......colt is starting out of necessity only
how is this not like the last 20 times the browns have done this? how are you guys not wanting to push colt in to the starting lineup this soon? thats exactly what this thread is about.....you guys wanting to start an inexperienced rookie on a team with no WRs and a struggling right side of the offensive line
its a classic browns mistake if they do it again
im not saying colt is the best QB on the team.....in fact i said several times that i dont think he is. i am saying that he should be considered to be the future and that he should learn behind 2 very solid vets and a president in mike holmgren and a head coach in eric mangini that know exactly what they are doing
by starting him and knowing you are not making the playoffs, all you are doing is riskin injuries. what is the point of goin back to a QB that is only going to be here for a few years? the point is that both seneca and jake can both start for their duration here and let colt learn all the little things that he can by watchin them
You missed my point about needing to know if he is good know with a huge surplus of potential franchise QB's that are going to be in this up and coming draft. If it turns out he is not the answer we might get a QB draft like we had this year, which so far (besides Bradford and so far Colt) has not been good. Also if someone is going to get injured, he is going to get injured. Whether it is during a rookie season or a 10th year season. It happens and sitting him isn't going to protect him from injury next year or the year after. It's like saying that since you are not going to the playoffs you shouldn't play your starters the rest of the year to protect them from injury. The thought process is so stupid.
aaron rodgers is a great example of this.....yea he holds the ball a little longer than he should, but that is from watching favre throw so many picks. he doesnt want to make those mistakes
Aaron Rodgers is one of the only good examples of this. If a QB is going to be good, he is going to be good. PERIOD. Depending on when he plays doesn't matter. He is going to have that wierd looking first year and then he is going to bloom, whether if that is as a rookie with no vet to learn from, or a guy who sat behind one for 5 years.
colt will learn the little things like that and it will make him that much better. this isnt an experiment......colt is starting out of necessity only
He is learning them right now as he plays and as Delhomme coaches him from the side lines. He will get better playing and having Delhomme point out his mistakes than have Delhomme in and come back to the side line and tell him not to throw that int.
how is this not like the last 20 times the browns have done this? how are you guys not wanting to push colt in to the starting lineup this soon? thats exactly what this thread is about.....you guys wanting to start an inexperienced rookie on a team with no WRs and a struggling right side of the offensive line
1:The right side has been solid since after the injuries. What games have you been watching. 2: Yes we don't have good WR's, but Colt is still finding ways to complete passes to them. You get good WR's with the same amount of throws and completions and 175 passing yards turns into 250 passing yards and two touchdowns.
its a classic browns mistake if they do it again
im not saying colt is the best QB on the team.....in fact i said several times that i dont think he is. i am saying that he should be considered to be the future and that he should learn behind 2 very solid vets and a president in mike holmgren and a head coach in eric mangini that know exactly what they are doing
He is learning RIGHT NOW FROM THOSE SAME PEOPLE WHILE PERFORMING WELL!!! By not playing him to hinder his progress and and you leave a question mark that we are forced to stick with. We will not know if we need to draft anyone. And once again we sat Quinn, we didn't know what he could do, after two years we tried to stick with him and he shit to bed. Why do that again.
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Seriously your entire argument is both he is the future and we should hide him because either A: he is going to get injured, or B: they will let him loose and he will suck. Well this is a freakin physical game so if he is going to get injured from a hit, it isn't going to be any different than a hit he will take in year 2,3,4,5...... retirement. So you are saying B which is what we want to find out. We want to know if he is the answer or if he is just hype. We want to know this so we can make a pick for a potential franchise QB if we need one.
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You missed my point about needing to know if he is good know with a huge surplus of potential franchise QB's that are going to be in this up and coming draft. If it turns out he is not the answer we might get a QB draft like we had this year, which so far (besides Bradford and so far Colt) has not been good. Also if someone is going to get injured, he is going to get injured. Whether it is during a rookie season or a 10th year season. It happens and sitting him isn't going to protect him from injury next year or the year after. It's like saying that since you are not going to the playoffs you shouldn't play your starters the rest of the year to protect them from injury. The thought process is so stupid.
no i didnt miss that point..i just dont think the browns need to waste anymore picks on QBs.....they dont have success drafting QBs and if colt isnt the answer, why not look for someone in free agency. and anybody can get hurt at any time....but you are risking an injury to the future QB in a meaningless season. that is stupid to risk that when there is absolutely no reason to. the browns have other options and should excercise those options until they have proven they arent worthy of starting
Aaron Rodgers is one of the only good examples of this. If a QB is going to be good, he is going to be good. PERIOD. Depending on when he plays doesn't matter. He is going to have that wierd looking first year and then he is going to bloom, whether if that is as a rookie with no vet to learn from, or a guy who sat behind one for 5 years.
actually i can name several QBs that have done this.......matt schaub, drew brees, chad henne, even jake delhomme......there are a lot of examples and if i actually wanted to think about it, i could probably come up with a ton more
1:The right side has been solid since after the injuries. What games have you been watching. 2: Yes we don't have good WR's, but Colt is still finding ways to complete passes to them. You get good WR's with the same amount of throws and completions and 175 passing yards turns into 250 passing yards and two touchdowns.
i love this argument.....ive been watching the same ones you have......or the games that you havent been watching
He is learning RIGHT NOW FROM THOSE SAME PEOPLE WHILE PERFORMING WELL!!! By not playing him to hinder his progress and and you leave a question mark that we are forced to stick with. We will not know if we need to draft anyone. And once again we sat Quinn, we didn't know what he could do, after two years we tried to stick with him and he shit to bed. Why do that again.
that is the biggest issue......colt is not doing anything stellar....in fact all he is doin is managing the games. you guys are confusing that with having a starting caliber QB. colt is doing what a backup does in the absence of the starters. the gameplan for colt is exactly what you would see from other teams around the league when their starter goes out and they have a solid running game to lean on.
you arent hindering him by letting him sit. how could you possibly be hindering him by letting him watch jake and seneca? he can learn without making the mistakes and without getting hurt......its a win win
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Once against if he is going to get hurt it is going to happen wether it be this year next year, or when ever. When was the last time a GOOD starting quarterback was let go in free agency. The only way to get a QB is in the draft and if we need to get one this year is the best year to do it. My arguement was also that it doesn't matter when a QB starts, if they are good they will be good, and if they are not then they are not. If Rodgers, Delhomme, Brees were put in their rookie season they wouldn't be any worse now because of that.
Your argument is, don't get him injured during a lost season (you don't sit starters because you are not going to make the playoff!) and that sitting him will make him better, when it won't. If anything giving him more playing time will make him better and at the very worse case scenario, we know that we need to draft a QB.
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Once against if he is going to get hurt it is going to happen wether it be this year next year, or when ever. When was the last time a GOOD starting quarterback was let go in free agency. The only way to get a QB is in the draft and if we need to get one this year is the best year to do it. My arguement was also that it doesn't matter when a QB starts, if they are good they will be good, and if they are not then they are not. If Rodgers, Delhomme, Brees were put in their rookie season they wouldn't be any worse now because of that.
Your argument is, don't get him injured during a lost season (you don't sit starters because you are not going to make the playoff!) and that sitting him will make him better, when it won't. If anything giving him more playing time will make him better and at the very worse case scenario, we know that we need to draft a QB.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Once against if he is going to get hurt it is going to happen wether it be this year next year, or when ever. When was the last time a GOOD starting quarterback was let go in free agency. The only way to get a QB is in the draft and if we need to get one this year is the best year to do it. My arguement was also that it doesn't matter when a QB starts, if they are good they will be good, and if they are not then they are not. If Rodgers, Delhomme, Brees were put in their rookie season they wouldn't be any worse now because of that.Your argument is, don't get him injured during a lost season (you don't sit starters because you are not going to make the playoff!) and that sitting him will make him better, when it won't. If anything giving him more playing time will make him better and at the very worse case scenario, we know that we need to draft a QB.
he may get hurt next year or the year after that or the year after that.....he may finish this season without getting hurt at all
thats all hypothetical
and if they are goin to be good they are good? wtf does that even mean? ryan fitzpatrick sucked up until this season.....so even tho he sucked early on he was going to be good so hes good? thats one of the most idiotic things ive ever heard
how can you prove that any of those QBs would be the QBs they are today if they would've started their rookie seasons? you cant.....its hypothetical once again
and there are lots of different ways to get a QB.....the draft and free agency are only 2
you can also trade for a QB which is what teams have been doing lately. matt cassel, schaub, mcnabb, etc
the browns are very good at trading for draft picks and mangini is known for trades. he has been very successful with those trades not only in cleveland but also in new york and it wouldnt be hard for him and his team to find a QB that is looking for a new team
also....jake delhomme is a proven QB. seneca is one of the better backups in the league and fits the offense perfectly. if colt isnt the answer, re-sign either or both of those guys
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Once against if he is going to get hurt it is going to happen wether it be this year next year, or when ever. When was the last time a GOOD starting quarterback was let go in free agency. The only way to get a QB is in the draft and if we need to get one this year is the best year to do it. My arguement was also that it doesn't matter when a QB starts, if they are good they will be good, and if they are not then they are not. If Rodgers, Delhomme, Brees were put in their rookie season they wouldn't be any worse now because of that.Your argument is, don't get him injured during a lost season (you don't sit starters because you are not going to make the playoff!) and that sitting him will make him better, when it won't. If anything giving him more playing time will make him better and at the very worse case scenario, we know that we need to draft a QB.
he may get hurt next year or the year after that or the year after that.....he may finish this season without getting hurt at all
thats all hypothetical
and if they are goin to be good they are good? wtf does that even mean? ryan fitzpatrick sucked up until this season.....so even tho he sucked early on he was going to be good so hes good? thats one of the most idiotic things ive ever heard
how can you prove that any of those QBs would be the QBs they are today if they would've started their rookie seasons? you cant.....its hypothetical once again
and there are lots of different ways to get a QB.....the draft and free agency are only 2
you can also trade for a QB which is what teams have been doing lately. matt cassel, schaub, mcnabb, etc
the browns are very good at trading for draft picks and mangini is known for trades. he has been very successful with those trades not only in cleveland but also in new york and it wouldnt be hard for him and his team to find a QB that is looking for a new team
also....jake delhomme is a proven QB. seneca is one of the better backups in the league and fits the offense perfectly. if colt isnt the answer, re-sign either or both of those guys
he may get hurt next year or the year after that or the year after that.....he may finish this season without getting hurt at all
thats all hypothetical
and if they are goin to be good they are good? wtf does that even mean? ryan fitzpatrick sucked up until this season.....so even tho he sucked early on he was going to be good so hes good? thats one of the most idiotic things ive ever heard
how can you prove that any of those QBs would be the QBs they are today if they would've started their rookie seasons? you cant.....its hypothetical once again
and there are lots of different ways to get a QB.....the draft and free agency are only 2
you can also trade for a QB which is what teams have been doing lately. matt cassel, schaub, mcnabb, etc
the browns are very good at trading for draft picks and mangini is known for trades. he has been very successful with those trades not only in cleveland but also in new york and it wouldnt be hard for him and his team to find a QB that is looking for a new team
also....jake delhomme is a proven QB. seneca is one of the better backups in the league and fits the offense perfectly. if colt isnt the answer, re-sign either or both of those guys
I don't understand what you're saying; how does any of that have to do with your argument that Delhomme or Wallace should be starting? If it's so easy to get QBs, I'd just as soon play the youngin' with the upside. He's played against better defenses than the other two QBs, and turnovers and penalties are way down, completion percent is way up, third down conversion is up, and morale in general is up.
It seems like you respond to every rebuttal by veering off into a new direction.
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he may get hurt next year or the year after that or the year after that.....he may finish this season without getting hurt at all
thats all hypothetical
and if they are goin to be good they are good? wtf does that even mean? ryan fitzpatrick sucked up until this season.....so even tho he sucked early on he was going to be good so hes good? thats one of the most idiotic things ive ever heard
how can you prove that any of those QBs would be the QBs they are today if they would've started their rookie seasons? you cant.....its hypothetical once again
and there are lots of different ways to get a QB.....the draft and free agency are only 2
you can also trade for a QB which is what teams have been doing lately. matt cassel, schaub, mcnabb, etc
the browns are very good at trading for draft picks and mangini is known for trades. he has been very successful with those trades not only in cleveland but also in new york and it wouldnt be hard for him and his team to find a QB that is looking for a new team
also....jake delhomme is a proven QB. seneca is one of the better backups in the league and fits the offense perfectly. if colt isnt the answer, re-sign either or both of those guys
I don't understand what you're saying; how does any of that have to do with your argument that Delhomme or Wallace should be starting? If it's so easy to get QBs, I'd just as soon play the youngin' with the upside. He's played against better defenses than the other two QBs, and turnovers and penalties are way down, completion percent is way up, third down conversion is up, and morale in general is up.
It seems like you respond to every rebuttal by veering off into a new direction.
I don't understand what you're saying; how does any of that have to do with your argument that Delhomme or Wallace should be starting? If it's so easy to get QBs, I'd just as soon play the youngin' with the upside. He's played against better defenses than the other two QBs, and turnovers and penalties are way down, completion percent is way up, third down conversion is up, and morale in general is up.
It seems like you respond to every rebuttal by veering off into a new direction.
there are a lot of different people in this thread responding to my posts with different comments. im trying to respond to everyone and sometimes the arguments seem off topic but they are all in response to something someone has said in this thread
colt has played against 1 good defense. the steelers. the saints defense is rated well, but being a saints fan i can tell you that ratings dont tell you the whole story
colt lost to the only team with a good defense. and it was because they stopped the run
morale is up because you have your first multiple game win streak of the season. there is a lot of good coming out of both of those games considering the talent level of both teams.
having said that, colt didnt really do anything better than jake or seneca could have done. he really hasnt done a whole lot other than play like a backup and make a few plays here and there
from the beginning my argument has centered around my opinion that jake and seneca are better and should continue to start when they are healthy. colt just isnt as good IMO and 2 TEAM wins dont make HIM a starting QB yet
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Holy crap, this thread blew up!
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you guys do realize that with 3 minutes left in the 3rd qtr he has only thrown 16 passes right?
i know you guys love winning but colt really hasnt done a whole lot to merit starting over the other 2
colt is good at not losing games....but im not sure he is ready to win games yet
It looks to me that he is ready to win games. He beat the defending SB Champs and he beat the team with the best record in football. I guess if you consider the Saints and the Pats "not much" then perhaps he hasn't done much. But he "lead" them the way any QB leads a team. Some win by throwing for 450 yards. Others win by doing all the right things at the right time. So far, that is what McCoy has done.
It looks to me that he is ready to win games. He beat the defending SB Champs and he beat the team with the best record in football. I guess if you consider the Saints and the Pats "not much" then perhaps he hasn't done much. But he "lead" them the way any QB leads a team. Some win by throwing for 450 yards. Others win by doing all the right things at the right time. So far, that is what McCoy has done.
i disagree, Gipper, and my reasoning is not splitting hairs either. contrary to what you wrote, he did not "beat" those teams the way Tom Brady and Peyton Manning beat teams. sure, he checked out of some plays into better ones and took stellar care of the football but let's be real: he started at QB against the defending SB champs and the team won. he started at QB against the team with the best record in football and again, the Browns won. let's call it like it is.
re: the game, loved what Colt showed us again.
re: starting the rest of the season, i feel when it's time to commit to Colt, we commit to Colt all the way. the team is playing awesome around him and if the Coaches, FO, etc feel the rookie gives the Browns the best chance to win, i'm behind it all the way. and that means through the good and the bad.
some on here have posted that they feel after the other 2 QBs return from injury Colt should be the guy for the rest of the season...unless he starts playing poorly, making mistakes, or however you want to word it. then and only then you bench him, if i understand them correctly. well that's where i differ. imo don't make him "the guy" until you're sure, and you stick with him through it all, coaching him up the whole way.
that's where i'm coming from when i cast my JD and SW votes fwiw.
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I do remember a young man in bernie kosar who wasn't suppose to play his rookie year until I think gary danielson got hurt.
How did that work out?
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