If you had a QB Draft
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1. Brett Favre
2. Brett Favre
3. Brett Favre
4. Brett Favre
5. Brett Favre
6. Brett Favre
7. Brett Favre
8. Brett Favre
9. Brett Favre
10. Brett Favre
11. Brett Favre
12. Brett Favre
13. Brett Favre
14. Brett Favre
...and BOOM!
15. Brett Favre
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man.....no love for brees here
since 2006 he has the most passing yardage, touchdowns, completions........he has the best completion percentage and passer rating
he has as many rings as manning(1) and has helped turn around one of the worst franchises in NFL history
i know hes not on TV as much but the numbers dont lie guys
i understand not putting him #1 but putting him 10th or even outside the top 5?.......wtf are some of you really not paying any attention to football?
man.....no love for brees here
since 2006 he has the most passing yardage, touchdowns, completions........he has the best completion percentage and passer rating
he has as many rings as manning(1) and has helped turn around one of the worst franchises in NFL history
i know hes not on TV as much but the numbers dont lie guys
i understand not putting him #1 but putting him 10th or even outside the top 5?.......wtf are some of you really not paying any attention to football?
I had him at 2 behind Rivers.
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man.....no love for brees here
since 2006 he has the most passing yardage, touchdowns, completions........he has the best completion percentage and passer rating
he has as many rings as manning(1) and has helped turn around one of the worst franchises in NFL history
i know hes not on TV as much but the numbers dont lie guys
i understand not putting him #1 but putting him 10th or even outside the top 5?.......wtf are some of you really not paying any attention to football?
I had him at 2 behind Rivers.
I had him at 2 behind Rivers.
more talkin about guys like colt12, richiswhere, clevelandsound
some guys even have ben or schaub ahead of him.......neither of which are actually better than him at anything
like i said....im not saying he needs to be #1 on everybodys list.......but im worried about some of you guys that come up with lists that put flacco or ryan or bradford or cutler ahead of him.......some people need to be slapped in the face for being so dumb
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I would go
Aaron Rogers
Phillip Rivers
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Matt Ryan
Ben Roethlisburger
Mike Vick
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Josh Freeman
Kyle Orton
Jay Cutler
Sam Bradford
Just missing
Matt Schaub
Donovan McNabb
Matt Cassell
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Taking out the age factor and talent around them
1. P. Manning
2. T. Brady
3. B. Roethlisberger
4. B. Favre
5. D. Brees
6 A. Rogers
7. M. Vick
8. P. Rivers
9. D. McNabb
10. M.Ryan
11. C. Palmer
12. T. Romo
13. M. Schaub
14. J. Flacco
15. J. Freeman
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Taking out the age factor and talent around them
1. P. Manning
2. T. Brady
3. B. Roethlisberger
4. B. Favre
5. D. Brees
6 A. Rogers
7. M. Vick
8. P. Rivers
9. D. McNabb
10. M.Ryan
11. C. Palmer
12. T. Romo
13. M. Schaub
14. J. Flacco
15. J. Freeman
Taking out the age factor and talent around them
1. P. Manning
2. T. Brady
3. B. Roethlisberger
4. B. Favre
5. D. Brees
6 A. Rogers
7. M. Vick
8. P. Rivers
9. D. McNabb
10. M.Ryan
11. C. Palmer
12. T. Romo
13. M. Schaub
14. J. Flacco
15. J. Freeman
Favre? Is this a lifetime achievement award?
And Palmer? Oof.
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Taking out the age factor and talent around them
1. P. Manning
2. T. Brady
3. B. Roethlisberger
4. B. Favre
5. D. Brees
6 A. Rogers
7. M. Vick
8. P. Rivers
9. D. McNabb
10. M.Ryan
11. C. Palmer
12. T. Romo
13. M. Schaub
14. J. Flacco
15. J. Freeman
Taking out the age factor and talent around them
1. P. Manning
2. T. Brady
3. B. Roethlisberger
4. B. Favre
5. D. Brees
6 A. Rogers
7. M. Vick
8. P. Rivers
9. D. McNabb
10. M.Ryan
11. C. Palmer
12. T. Romo
13. M. Schaub
14. J. Flacco
15. J. Freeman
you saw what happens when you take the talent away from manning......he leads his team to a 6-6 record 12 games into the season
i dont think he deserves to be #1 if you are taking those things away
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Taking out the age factor and talent around them
1. P. Manning
2. T. Brady
3. B. Roethlisberger
4. B. Favre
5. D. Brees
6 A. Rogers
7. M. Vick
8. P. Rivers
9. D. McNabb
10. M.Ryan
11. C. Palmer
12. T. Romo
13. M. Schaub
14. J. Flacco
15. J. Freeman
you saw what happens when you take the talent away from manning......he leads his team to a 6-6 record 12 games into the season
i dont think he deserves to be #1 if you are taking those things away
you saw what happens when you take the talent away from manning......he leads his team to a 6-6 record 12 games into the season
i dont think he deserves to be #1 if you are taking those things away
Yea Its tough to win with 3rd, 4th stringers. But with time to mesh Manning will, and make them household names. Because he's that great.
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Taking out the age factor and talent around them
1. P. Manning
2. T. Brady
3. B. Roethlisberger
4. B. Favre
5. D. Brees
6 A. Rogers
7. M. Vick
8. P. Rivers
9. D. McNabb
10. M.Ryan
11. C. Palmer
12. T. Romo
13. M. Schaub
14. J. Flacco
15. J. Freeman
Favre? Is this a lifetime achievement award?
And Palmer? Oof.
Favre? Is this a lifetime achievement award? That would be the age factor I mentioned. Comparing a young favre to the other guys, I would rank him above most of them.
And Palmer? Oof. That would be the talent factor. He's been fighting cancer his whole career, the Bungles disease spreads fast.
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In other words, you are pretending that all of these guys are in their prime and on a level playing field? I can see where you are coming from but I am not sure that was the point of this exercise.
ETA: Palmer still doesn't qualify.
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In other words, you are pretending that all of these guys are in their prime and on a level playing field? I can see where you are coming from but I am not sure that was the point of this exercise.
ETA: Palmer still doesn't qualify.
I can see where you are coming from but I am not sure that was the point of this exercise.
I'm not sure either, it doesn't specify. You could make a hundred different list's based on different factors, so I just eliminated the factors. If everyone of them had the same team, that is how I feel they would rank
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for me and the QB's Rodgers, Rivers and Roflberger, that's a hard 4-6 to rank. I personally think Rivers has the most talent, Rodgers is the most complete, and I hate to admit it but Big Ben has the knack for winning games and getting it done. It all depends what you want to use to say which one is "better". I don't necessarily think saying Ben has the rings makes him "better", because I seriously believe if Rivers had the teams ben had he might be wearing a ring or two himself. I'd definitely say they are 4-6 though, and I pretty much agree with most of the lists here. I think Matt Ryan is a lot better than people give him credit for.
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Any of you guys watching Sanchez shine tonight?
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1.Brady
2.Manning
3.Brees
4.Rodgers
5.Rivers
6.Vick
7.Ryan
8.Schaub
9.Eli Manning
10.The Rapist
11.Bradford
12.Favre
13.Romo
14.Stafford (hes on one of the worst teams but i see him doing big things if he could stay healthy)
Im going based on if i had to build a team what QB would i take in this is pretty much the order
Also not sold on The Dirty Sanchez so glad we passed on him
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for me and the QB's Rodgers, Rivers and Roflberger, that's a hard 4-6 to rank. I personally think Rivers has the most talent, Rodgers is the most complete, and I hate to admit it but Big Ben has the knack for winning games and getting it done. It all depends what you want to use to say which one is "better". I don't necessarily think saying Ben has the rings makes him "better", because I seriously believe if Rivers had the teams ben had he might be wearing a ring or two himself. I'd definitely say they are 4-6 though, and I pretty much agree with most of the lists here. I think Matt Ryan is a lot better than people give him credit for.
for me and the QB's Rodgers, Rivers and Roflberger, that's a hard 4-6 to rank. I personally think Rivers has the most talent, Rodgers is the most complete, and I hate to admit it but Big Ben has the knack for winning games and getting it done. It all depends what you want to use to say which one is "better". I don't necessarily think saying Ben has the rings makes him "better", because I seriously believe if Rivers had the teams ben had he might be wearing a ring or two himself. I'd definitely say they are 4-6 though, and I pretty much agree with most of the lists here. I think Matt Ryan is a lot better than people give him credit for.
Rivers is the biggest damn baby int he NFL. He routinely has oodles of talent around him and still finds a way to cry his way out of games and it's not like that defense is or has been putrid. It's been pretty solid over the years. Ben is easily the best QB out of that draft class and Steeler fan or not I don't understand the love affair with Rivers. Starting a franchise tomorrow you want a QB that is going to lead his team and win the close games. Rivers isn't that guy and really is a baby. I've never viewed him as a "leader" and as you, yourself mention Ben wins football games. He's a gamer and there isn't a QB in the league I'd rather have under center.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
for me and the QB's Rodgers, Rivers and Roflberger, that's a hard 4-6 to rank. I personally think Rivers has the most talent, Rodgers is the most complete, and I hate to admit it but Big Ben has the knack for winning games and getting it done. It all depends what you want to use to say which one is "better". I don't necessarily think saying Ben has the rings makes him "better", because I seriously believe if Rivers had the teams ben had he might be wearing a ring or two himself. I'd definitely say they are 4-6 though, and I pretty much agree with most of the lists here. I think Matt Ryan is a lot better than people give him credit for.
Rivers is the biggest damn baby int he NFL. He routinely has oodles of talent around him and still finds a way to cry his way out of games and it's not like that defense is or has been putrid. It's been pretty solid over the years. Ben is easily the best QB out of that draft class and Steeler fan or not I don't understand the love affair with Rivers. Starting a franchise tomorrow you want a QB that is going to lead his team and win the close games. Rivers isn't that guy and really is a baby. I've never viewed him as a "leader" and as you, yourself mention Ben wins football games. He's a gamer and there isn't a QB in the league I'd rather have under center.
Homotron said:
Rivers is the biggest damn baby int he NFL. He routinely has oodles of talent around him and still finds a way to cry his way out of games and it's not like that defense is or has been putrid. It's been pretty solid over the years. Ben is easily the best QB out of that draft class and Steeler fan or not I don't understand the love affair with Rivers. Starting a franchise tomorrow you want a QB that is going to lead his team and win the close games. Rivers isn't that guy and really is a baby. I've never viewed him as a "leader" and as you, yourself mention Ben wins football games. He's a gamer and there isn't a QB in the league I'd rather have under center.I don't think Rivers is so much a crybaby as he is a very arrogant dude. And yea, i'll agree he doesn't have the playoff wins, but there's two HUGE factors you overlooked here. One, yea the Chargers defense hasn't been terrible, but I would never even come close to saying they had a "championship caliber" defense like the steelers have had.
Secondly, coaching plays another enormous factor when it comes to the playoffs. I have my personal reservations about Tomlin, but big ben got to learn under arguably the best coach of our generation for the early part of his career. Looking at Rivers, he had Marty (I'm sure my fellow fans can tell you a WHOLE lot about him and coaching in the playoffs), and Norv Turner, who also always chokes come that time of year. I think the caliber of the coach in the playoffs is probably the most overlooked factor for teams that end up winning. If you put a gun to my head and made me rank the three, I'd put it like this
4. Rodgers
5. Big Ben
6. Rivers
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for me and the QB's Rodgers, Rivers and Roflberger, that's a hard 4-6 to rank. I personally think Rivers has the most talent, Rodgers is the most complete, and I hate to admit it but Big Ben has the knack for winning games and getting it done. It all depends what you want to use to say which one is "better". I don't necessarily think saying Ben has the rings makes him "better", because I seriously believe if Rivers had the teams ben had he might be wearing a ring or two himself. I'd definitely say they are 4-6 though, and I pretty much agree with most of the lists here. I think Matt Ryan is a lot better than people give him credit for.
Rivers is the biggest damn baby int he NFL. He routinely has oodles of talent around him and still finds a way to cry his way out of games and it's not like that defense is or has been putrid. It's been pretty solid over the years. Ben is easily the best QB out of that draft class and Steeler fan or not I don't understand the love affair with Rivers. Starting a franchise tomorrow you want a QB that is going to lead his team and win the close games. Rivers isn't that guy and really is a baby. I've never viewed him as a "leader" and as you, yourself mention Ben wins football games. He's a gamer and there isn't a QB in the league I'd rather have under center.
Homotron said:
Rivers is the biggest damn baby int he NFL. He routinely has oodles of talent around him and still finds a way to cry his way out of games and it's not like that defense is or has been putrid. It's been pretty solid over the years. Ben is easily the best QB out of that draft class and Steeler fan or not I don't understand the love affair with Rivers. Starting a franchise tomorrow you want a QB that is going to lead his team and win the close games. Rivers isn't that guy and really is a baby. I've never viewed him as a "leader" and as you, yourself mention Ben wins football games. He's a gamer and there isn't a QB in the league I'd rather have under center.This is the first year that they have had a top10 defense since Rivers has been with them but their special teams have been historically bad. He is 52-24 with 4 playoff appearances as a starter with some of the best stats that you will see and has been a model of consistency (That is including this year with guys like McMichael, Naanee, Floyd, Crayton, and Ajirotutu). In that same time frame BR is 42-26 with 2 playoff appearances. I'm not sure why you believe he isn't a leader or a winner. He has had 12 4thQ comebacks and 15 game winning drives so the winning close games argument doesn't hold water. Also, I really don't think you want to go into individual statistics. I can assure you, it isn't close. The only argument that Ben comes out on top is Superbowl wins but let's not forget what Ben's performances in those games were like. I think that you are letting your dislike for a QB cloud your judgment of his actual worth.
So it boils down to " I don't like Rivers and Ben plays on my favorite team, that is why I would take him".
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Zombo said:
I would go with one of the young guys (Bradford, Stafford, McCoy) and build around him. I don't want to win one Super bowl, I want to win seven.Zombo
Really you don't want to draft a QB in his mid 30's that probably has 2 to 4 good years left?
Wow someone actually read the original post.
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mikeyP72 said:
Im 25 and have probably seen and done more than you ever will Stone. As for football I've watched it and played it since I was a kid and volunteer coaching high school ball in my off time when I'm not deployed.Yeah, I know nothing about football.
And yet you are ranking a proven veteran with multiple superbowls below a rookie that isn't even guaranteed the starting gig on his team? Frankly, the Steeler honks can come off as absurd with some of their claims but you are making them look completely sane by comparison.
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mikeyP72 said:
Im 25 and have probably seen and done more than you ever will Stone. As for football I've watched it and played it since I was a kid and volunteer coaching high school ball in my off time when I'm not deployed.Yeah, I know nothing about football.
And yet you are ranking a proven veteran with multiple superbowls below a rookie that isn't even guaranteed the starting gig on his team? Frankly, the Steeler honks can come off as absurd with some of their claims but you are making them look completely sane by comparison.
And yet you are ranking a proven veteran with multiple superbowls over a rookie that isn't even guaranteed the starting gig on his team? Frankly, the Steeler honks can come off as absurd with some of their claims but you are making them look completely sane by comparison.
I think you meant "below" not over, right?
Yes, it would be absurd to rank McCoy over BR as a QB in this league. Maybe he simply means he likes McCoy's potential future over BRs. That might be arguable, but certainly not his current ranking.
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