Delhomme the worst qb in the NFL
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You people are wrong. Delhomme is the best at throwing 2 yard passes. What is the point of throwing the ball 2 yards when you need 8 for a first down. take his ass out!
3rd down and 16 and I dont think there was one route by a WR that was more than 6 yards. Delsucks is a washup who had his 15 minutes in the SB and threw an interception there as well to cost his team a win. If you watch his progressions it is locked onto the out receiver the whole time.
I am wondering if they even practice running any routes farther down the field during the week or do they just hope someone will break free from a tackle.
This crap today reminded me of last season watching DA and Queen puking all over the field on game days. Paddding their stats for the Payday$ and not even attempting to be victorious. Players like DelSucks are like a cancer to any team trying to improve.
I hope his shitty attitude and play doesn't rub off on Colt ot Seneca. Hell he doesn't even make to be a good mentor for any young QB.
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Delhomme better than Wallace???? Did you watch any of the games Wallace played in???? On this team, this season Wallace has looked light years better than Delhomme. The energy is better and the offense moves along smoother. Its obvious. And its obvious that the offense is wwwwaaayyyyy more conservative when Jake in there because they don't want him throwing a TD...................to the other team!
I agree that this loss and any remaining losses go on Holmgren as long as Jake starts. He basically told him he would be a starter to get him to sign a deal. So what is Mangini to do about it?
Delhomme better than Wallace???? Did you watch any of the games Wallace played in???? On this team, this season Wallace has looked light years better than Delhomme. The energy is better and the offense moves along smoother. Its obvious. And its obvious that the offense is wwwwaaayyyyy more conservative when Jake in there because they don't want him throwing a TD...................to the other team!
I agree that this loss and any remaining losses go on Holmgren as long as Jake starts. He basically told him he would be a starter to get him to sign a deal. So what is Mangini to do about it?
Delhomme is better than Wallace in some area's. Delhomme can spread the ball to more receivers, and he can throw a sideline ball which Wallace can't do to save his life. But I honestly think that Mangini is taking the fact that Delhomme spreads it around, is a captain, and was the starter at the beginning of the season into consideration more than he should when he is judging who to start. Delhomme has been doing better the past two games (the int came when he was hit on a pass) but he just holds onto it too long and when he does he can't escape pressure and by the time he finally looks down to his check down guys they are covered. One of the reasons that Colt and Wallace have done well is because they don't keep locked on to the first read too long. They look and if they are not open then or if they read that they aren't going to get open they immediately check down and the check down is actually open. Delhomme is quoted as saying that he doesn't like being a "Cathy Checkdown" and prefers to stick with his first read and throw to them more to try and make a play. I don't like to bitch on who the QB is alright, I want our team to be set and I want to support them after a lose but when you go a QB like Delhomme that is a huge reason why the team lost, then I feel like I have to right to vent and talk over WHY he is starting over someone who just gives us a better chance to win.
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Delhomme better than Wallace???? Did you watch any of the games Wallace played in???? On this team, this season Wallace has looked light years better than Delhomme. The energy is better and the offense moves along smoother. Its obvious. And its obvious that the offense is wwwwaaayyyyy more conservative when Jake in there because they don't want him throwing a TD...................to the other team!
I agree that this loss and any remaining losses go on Holmgren as long as Jake starts. He basically told him he would be a starter to get him to sign a deal. So what is Mangini to do about it?
Delhomme better than Wallace???? Did you watch any of the games Wallace played in???? On this team, this season Wallace has looked light years better than Delhomme. The energy is better and the offense moves along smoother. Its obvious. And its obvious that the offense is wwwwaaayyyyy more conservative when Jake in there because they don't want him throwing a TD...................to the other team!
I agree that this loss and any remaining losses go on Holmgren as long as Jake starts. He basically told him he would be a starter to get him to sign a deal. So what is Mangini to do about it?
Yeah, you can't possibly watch both guys this year and conclude that Delhomme is better at this point. Wallace was playing excellent football when he got hurt. If both are healthy, I can't even begin to rationalize starting Delhomme. Just a bad, bad decision that might cost Mangini his job.
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unfortunately hes the best option you guys have right now......if he wasnt, he wouldnt be playing.......mangini isnt some idiot that plays scrubs to prove a point
mangini is probably coaching for his job right now.......if he really thought mccoy would save his job dont you think he would be playing him instead? in all honesty, mangini knows what hes doing and if he thinks its the right move, you guys should trust him instead of second guessing every damn decision he makes after every loss
the browns are just starting to climb the hump, they havent made it to the top of the hill yet so there are going to be some mistakes and some losses in the process......the trick is being patient enough to wait and being a supportive enough fan to realize the browns are turning around and not rip guys apart after every game
The best option "you guys have right now" obviously your not even a browns fan so don't sit here and talk to me about patience I've been a browns fan my whole life. And you dont have the slightest idea of what your talkiin about because he isn't the only "option" we have, mccoy is hurt that's why he's out.
Wallace's stats
63/100
63% completion rate
693 yards
4td's 2 ints
1 fumble
Delhommo stats
81/129
62.8% completion rate
786 yards
2tds and 6 ints!
2 fumbles
Let the stats speak for themselves! At this point id rather see kosar come out of retirement or hell even suit up ronald mcdonald to play over delhommo, now go slap your momma in the face for giving birth to you scrub!
The best option "you guys have right now" obviously your not even a browns fan so don't sit here and talk to me about patience I've been a browns fan my whole life. And you dont have the slightest idea of what your talkiin about because he isn't the only "option" we have, mccoy is hurt that's why he's out.
Wallace's stats
63/100
63% completion rate
693 yards
4td's 2 ints
1 fumble
Delhommo stats
81/129
62.8% completion rate
786 yards
2tds and 6 ints!
2 fumbles
Let the stats speak for themselves! At this point id rather see kosar come out of retirement or hell even suit up ronald mcdonald to play over delhommo, now go slap your momma in the face for giving birth to you scrub!
funny.....it seems like the stats are pretty comparable.......not sure exactly what you are trying to prove other than jake has thrown more picks
jake has also thrown the ball more times and for more yardage and is still completing passes at the same rate as seneca was
not only that, but jake knows how to be a starter in this league and he is a lot more experienced than seneca.
you guys havent had a true starter for several years and your so used to the team flip flopping QBs that you seem to think its always the problem.......this time it isnt
this time there is a consistant starter and the coach isnt willing to hear all the bitching and moaning because hes smart enough to know that he knows more than us
so show me a couple more stats that favor seneca only slightly and then take into account the fact that mangini is much smarter than all of us in that regards and he knows what hes doing by starting jake
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Zombo said:
Are you seriously Retarded?4TDs - 2 Int - 1 fumble
vs.
2 TDs - 6 Int - 2 fumbles
In what world are those comparable????
Zombo
how many times do you think jake has been hit this season? id be willing to bet hes getting hit at a higher rate than seneca was too
id also be willing to bet that the WRs have dropped more jake passes than seneca passes too
you are pointing at a stat and saying "here look......proof" when was the last time seneca helped rebuild a team? when was the last time seneca played on a playoff team? when was the last time seneca played this season?
dudes job was to manage the game......just like colts........jake isnt a game manager, he is a game changer......along with his INTs, he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
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Zombo said:
Are you seriously Retarded?4TDs - 2 Int - 1 fumble
vs.
2 TDs - 6 Int - 2 fumbles
In what world are those comparable????
Zombo
how many times do you think jake has been hit this season? id be willing to bet hes getting hit at a higher rate than seneca was too
id also be willing to bet that the WRs have dropped more jake passes than seneca passes too
you are pointing at a stat and saying "here look......proof" when was the last time seneca helped rebuild a team? when was the last time seneca played on a playoff team? when was the last time seneca played this season?
dudes job was to manage the game......just like colts........jake isnt a game manager, he is a game changer......along with his INTs, he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
how many times do you think jake has been hit this season? id be willing to bet hes getting hit at a higher rate than seneca was too
id also be willing to bet that the WRs have dropped more jake passes than seneca passes too
you are pointing at a stat and saying "here look......proof" when was the last time seneca helped rebuild a team? when was the last time seneca played on a playoff team? when was the last time seneca played this season?
dudes job was to manage the game......just like colts........jake isnt a game manager, he is a game changer......along with his INTs, he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
jake can spread it around. Trouble is, he has spread it to often to defenders. Couple this with a wr corp that gets no respect from defenders and a coaching staff that has lost confidence in Jakes abilities to
make plays and you are left with a severely limited QB.
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Zombo said:
Are you seriously Retarded?4TDs - 2 Int - 1 fumble
vs.
2 TDs - 6 Int - 2 fumbles
In what world are those comparable????
Zombo
how many times do you think jake has been hit this season? id be willing to bet hes getting hit at a higher rate than seneca was too
id also be willing to bet that the WRs have dropped more jake passes than seneca passes too
you are pointing at a stat and saying "here look......proof" when was the last time seneca helped rebuild a team? when was the last time seneca played on a playoff team? when was the last time seneca played this season?
dudes job was to manage the game......just like colts........jake isnt a game manager, he is a game changer......along with his INTs, he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
how many times do you think jake has been hit this season? id be willing to bet hes getting hit at a higher rate than seneca was too
id also be willing to bet that the WRs have dropped more jake passes than seneca passes too
you are pointing at a stat and saying "here look......proof" when was the last time seneca helped rebuild a team? when was the last time seneca played on a playoff team? when was the last time seneca played this season?
dudes job was to manage the game......just like colts........jake isnt a game manager, he is a game changer......along with his INTs, he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
I'm not sure what you are watching?
1. Wallace actually has a higher sack percentage which is probably due to knowing when to eat the ball instead of turning it over.
2. Game Changer? Delhomme has thrown for fewer TDS, a ton more Ints., Has a much lower YPC., a much much lower TD%, and has a rating that is 22 points lower.
These are facts, not opinions. Jake seems like a good guy and had some quality years in the past but it is painfully obvious that his days as a starting NFL QB are over. This post is actually my way of eating some crow as I thought he would bring some stability to the position and defended him as such in a few forums. I was wrong, very wrong.
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I bet you 10 bucks Jake starts again...Mangini is all over his d**k.
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Zombo said:
Are you seriously Retarded?4TDs - 2 Int - 1 fumble
vs.
2 TDs - 6 Int - 2 fumbles
In what world are those comparable????
Zombo
how many times do you think jake has been hit this season? id be willing to bet hes getting hit at a higher rate than seneca was too
id also be willing to bet that the WRs have dropped more jake passes than seneca passes too
you are pointing at a stat and saying "here look......proof" when was the last time seneca helped rebuild a team? when was the last time seneca played on a playoff team? when was the last time seneca played this season?
dudes job was to manage the game......just like colts........jake isnt a game manager, he is a game changer......along with his INTs, he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
how many times do you think jake has been hit this season? id be willing to bet hes getting hit at a higher rate than seneca was too
id also be willing to bet that the WRs have dropped more jake passes than seneca passes too
you are pointing at a stat and saying "here look......proof" when was the last time seneca helped rebuild a team? when was the last time seneca played on a playoff team? when was the last time seneca played this season?
dudes job was to manage the game......just like colts........jake isnt a game manager, he is a game changer......along with his INTs, he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
Wow......just wow......jake is a game changer???? You really should take what the doctor prescribed for you because your seeing things that aren't really happening!!!
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Zombo said:
Are you seriously Retarded?4TDs - 2 Int - 1 fumble
vs.
2 TDs - 6 Int - 2 fumbles
In what world are those comparable????
Zombo
how many times do you think jake has been hit this season? id be willing to bet hes getting hit at a higher rate than seneca was too
id also be willing to bet that the WRs have dropped more jake passes than seneca passes too
you are pointing at a stat and saying "here look......proof" when was the last time seneca helped rebuild a team? when was the last time seneca played on a playoff team? when was the last time seneca played this season?
dudes job was to manage the game......just like colts........jake isnt a game manager, he is a game changer......along with his INTs, he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
LMAO
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he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
LMAO
LMAO
I wouldn't laugh because that statement is actually true. Sadly I think it is what is keeping Delhomme that starter. The coaches say they want the ball thrown to who ever is open instead of trying to get a guy stats, but at the same time they want to see a guy like Robiskie get catches so they can justify in keeping him. Wallce doesn't spread the ball around, but he throws less picks, can escape pressure, and even though he only throws to 3 different guys, they are open when he throws it to them an he can actually get it to them. Being able to spread the ball should mean shit if your still throwing more TD's to the other team than you are to yours.
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frankly guys, I think Delhomme and Wallace give us an equal chance to win. Seneca may be more mobile and extend plays, but to me he's very inaccurate when it comes to medium or long range throws, and can't really spread it around well. Delhomme can do that, but it's clear his skills are very diminished. I'd probably lean to starting Wallace after last week, but I don't think it really matters. The bottom line is TERRIBLE offensive play calling and the fact that no one outside watson understands how to get open severely limits this team, even with colt under center.
The thing that scared me the most about Delhomme is every time Hillis released from the back-field, he looked to him and threw. I don't know why that is, but it was becoming so obvious to the Bills in the second half. That just isn't acceptable play.
here's also my random tidbit from the game. Did anyone notice on both sides of the ball the refs were giving ridiculously favorable spots the whole game? I remember one play where Fred Jackson was easily a yard and a half short, and the side judge came and marked a first down, even motioning for the sticks to get moved. The other side judge looked baffled and marked the ball almost 2 yards behind his spot.
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frankly guys, I think Delhomme and Wallace give us an equal chance to win. Seneca may be more mobile and extend plays, but to me he's very inaccurate when it comes to medium or long range throws, and can't really spread it around well. Delhomme can do that, but it's clear his skills are very diminished. I'd probably lean to starting Wallace after last week, but I don't think it really matters. The bottom line is TERRIBLE offensive play calling and the fact that no one outside watson understands how to get open severely limits this team, even with colt under center.
The thing that scared me the most about Delhomme is every time Hillis released from the back-field, he looked to him and threw. I don't know why that is, but it was becoming so obvious to the Bills in the second half. That just isn't acceptable play.
here's also my random tidbit from the game. Did anyone notice on both sides of the ball the refs were giving ridiculously favorable spots the whole game? I remember one play where Fred Jackson was easily a yard and a half short, and the side judge came and marked a first down, even motioning for the sticks to get moved. The other side judge looked baffled and marked the ball almost 2 yards behind his spot.
frankly guys, I think Delhomme and Wallace give us an equal chance to win. Seneca may be more mobile and extend plays, but to me he's very inaccurate when it comes to medium or long range throws, and can't really spread it around well. Delhomme can do that, but it's clear his skills are very diminished. I'd probably lean to starting Wallace after last week, but I don't think it really matters. The bottom line is TERRIBLE offensive play calling and the fact that no one outside watson understands how to get open severely limits this team, even with colt under center.
The thing that scared me the most about Delhomme is every time Hillis released from the back-field, he looked to him and threw. I don't know why that is, but it was becoming so obvious to the Bills in the second half. That just isn't acceptable play.
here's also my random tidbit from the game. Did anyone notice on both sides of the ball the refs were giving ridiculously favorable spots the whole game? I remember one play where Fred Jackson was easily a yard and a half short, and the side judge came and marked a first down, even motioning for the sticks to get moved. The other side judge looked baffled and marked the ball almost 2 yards behind his spot.
YES!! I noticed this too. It heppened a lot! In the first half, it was the official on the far side of the field... I have never seen this happen in a game so often. I felt like he was giving us terrible spots too, but I was probably just paranoid at that point. I figured if I brought this up no one would know what I was talking about but apparently I wasn't seeing things...
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So what if Jake 'spreads the ball around'...........look at the Falcons game............the same team, the same defense...............Wallace qb rating 124 and Delhomme qb rating 30.5
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LMAO
I wouldn't laugh because that statement is actually true. Sadly I think it is what is keeping Delhomme that starter. The coaches say they want the ball thrown to who ever is open instead of trying to get a guy stats, but at the same time they want to see a guy like Robiskie get catches so they can justify in keeping him. Wallce doesn't spread the ball around, but he throws less picks, can escape pressure, and even though he only throws to 3 different guys, they are open when he throws it to them an he can actually get it to them. Being able to spread the ball should mean shit if your still throwing more TD's to the other team than you are to yours.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
I wouldn't laugh because that statement is actually true.Spread the ball out to the other team.
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The Delhomme Watch Update:
Since the playoff game in 2008, Delhomme has thrown 11 TDs and 30 INTs in a little over two calendar years.
It's impossible to argue that there's a worse quarterback in the NFL in that time period. Those numbers are literally Leaf-ian. Just absolutely putrid.
I think very highly of Mike Holmgren, and frankly it looks like he may have taught me a lesson on Colt McCoy. But I would enjoy hearing his thoughts on signing Delhomme, naming him the starter, and playing him 7 mill. It's just very, very tough to rationalize.
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Not here to rub it in but I was singing this song when the Browns picked him up. The guy is awful but until McCoy is healthy do you even have another option? Is Wallace healthy? and isn't Ratlif still on the roster?
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Not here to rub it in but I was singing this song when the Browns picked him up. The guy is awful but until McCoy is healthy do you even have another option? Is Wallace healthy? and isn't Ratlif still on the roster?
Homotron said:
Not here to rub it in but I was singing this song when the Browns picked him up. The guy is awful but until McCoy is healthy do you even have another option? Is Wallace healthy? and isn't Ratlif still on the roster?As far as I know, Homo, Wallace is reasonably healthy. He was active where McCoy could only have been put in if the other 2 were knocked out of the game. I also believe that Ratliff in on another team's roster. At least he was earlier in the season. Ratliff is no answer any more than Delhomme.
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how many times do you think jake has been hit this season? id be willing to bet hes getting hit at a higher rate than seneca was too
id also be willing to bet that the WRs have dropped more jake passes than seneca passes too
you are pointing at a stat and saying "here look......proof" when was the last time seneca helped rebuild a team? when was the last time seneca played on a playoff team? when was the last time seneca played this season?
dudes job was to manage the game......just like colts........jake isnt a game manager, he is a game changer......along with his INTs, he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
I'm not sure what you are watching?
1. Wallace actually has a higher sack percentage which is probably due to knowing when to eat the ball instead of turning it over.
2. Game Changer? Delhomme has thrown for fewer TDS, a ton more Ints., Has a much lower YPC., a much much lower TD%, and has a rating that is 22 points lower.
These are facts, not opinions. Jake seems like a good guy and had some quality years in the past but it is painfully obvious that his days as a starting NFL QB are over. This post is actually my way of eating some crow as I thought he would bring some stability to the position and defended him as such in a few forums. I was wrong, very wrong.
I'm not sure what you are watching?
1. Wallace actually has a higher sack percentage which is probably due to knowing when to eat the ball instead of turning it over.
but not more sacks.....and i wasnt talking about just sacks.....i was talking about pressures and hits too which is something that you just gave up on trying to prove wrong apparently. thats fine.....i didnt really expect a quality response
2. Game Changer? Delhomme has thrown for fewer TDS, a ton more Ints., Has a much lower YPC., a much much lower TD%, and has a rating that is 22 points lower.
and despite throwing more passes, he also has completed 63% of his passes.........his INTs are a result of the coaching staff having enough confidence in him to make the tougher throws. seneca and colt manage the game and try not to make mistakes.......jake tries to win games and the coaching staff has no problem letting him do that
i just love it how you guys cry for a new QB every year........now you are crying for a new QB that you havent seen in almost 10 weeks
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The Delhomme Watch Update:
Since the playoff game in 2008, Delhomme has thrown 11 TDs and 30 INTs in a little over two calendar years.
It's impossible to argue that there's a worse quarterback in the NFL in that time period. Those numbers are literally Leaf-ian. Just absolutely putrid.
I think very highly of Mike Holmgren, and frankly it looks like he may have taught me a lesson on Colt McCoy. But I would enjoy hearing his thoughts on signing Delhomme, naming him the starter, and playing him 7 mill. It's just very, very tough to rationalize.
The Delhomme Watch Update:
Since the playoff game in 2008, Delhomme has thrown 11 TDs and 30 INTs in a little over two calendar years.
It's impossible to argue that there's a worse quarterback in the NFL in that time period. Those numbers are literally Leaf-ian. Just absolutely putrid.
I think very highly of Mike Holmgren, and frankly it looks like he may have taught me a lesson on Colt McCoy. But I would enjoy hearing his thoughts on signing Delhomme, naming him the starter, and playing him 7 mill. It's just very, very tough to rationalize.
exactly. i agree 100%. the argument that holmgren fires mangini because of delhomme is laughable. will he then fire himself?
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