Delhomme the worst qb in the NFL
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I bet you 10 bucks Jake starts again...Mangini is all over his d**k.
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Zombo said:
Are you seriously Retarded?4TDs - 2 Int - 1 fumble
vs.
2 TDs - 6 Int - 2 fumbles
In what world are those comparable????
Zombo
how many times do you think jake has been hit this season? id be willing to bet hes getting hit at a higher rate than seneca was too
id also be willing to bet that the WRs have dropped more jake passes than seneca passes too
you are pointing at a stat and saying "here look......proof" when was the last time seneca helped rebuild a team? when was the last time seneca played on a playoff team? when was the last time seneca played this season?
dudes job was to manage the game......just like colts........jake isnt a game manager, he is a game changer......along with his INTs, he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
how many times do you think jake has been hit this season? id be willing to bet hes getting hit at a higher rate than seneca was too
id also be willing to bet that the WRs have dropped more jake passes than seneca passes too
you are pointing at a stat and saying "here look......proof" when was the last time seneca helped rebuild a team? when was the last time seneca played on a playoff team? when was the last time seneca played this season?
dudes job was to manage the game......just like colts........jake isnt a game manager, he is a game changer......along with his INTs, he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
Wow......just wow......jake is a game changer???? You really should take what the doctor prescribed for you because your seeing things that aren't really happening!!!
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Zombo said:
Are you seriously Retarded?4TDs - 2 Int - 1 fumble
vs.
2 TDs - 6 Int - 2 fumbles
In what world are those comparable????
Zombo
how many times do you think jake has been hit this season? id be willing to bet hes getting hit at a higher rate than seneca was too
id also be willing to bet that the WRs have dropped more jake passes than seneca passes too
you are pointing at a stat and saying "here look......proof" when was the last time seneca helped rebuild a team? when was the last time seneca played on a playoff team? when was the last time seneca played this season?
dudes job was to manage the game......just like colts........jake isnt a game manager, he is a game changer......along with his INTs, he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
LMAO
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he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
LMAO
LMAO
I wouldn't laugh because that statement is actually true. Sadly I think it is what is keeping Delhomme that starter. The coaches say they want the ball thrown to who ever is open instead of trying to get a guy stats, but at the same time they want to see a guy like Robiskie get catches so they can justify in keeping him. Wallce doesn't spread the ball around, but he throws less picks, can escape pressure, and even though he only throws to 3 different guys, they are open when he throws it to them an he can actually get it to them. Being able to spread the ball should mean shit if your still throwing more TD's to the other team than you are to yours.
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frankly guys, I think Delhomme and Wallace give us an equal chance to win. Seneca may be more mobile and extend plays, but to me he's very inaccurate when it comes to medium or long range throws, and can't really spread it around well. Delhomme can do that, but it's clear his skills are very diminished. I'd probably lean to starting Wallace after last week, but I don't think it really matters. The bottom line is TERRIBLE offensive play calling and the fact that no one outside watson understands how to get open severely limits this team, even with colt under center.
The thing that scared me the most about Delhomme is every time Hillis released from the back-field, he looked to him and threw. I don't know why that is, but it was becoming so obvious to the Bills in the second half. That just isn't acceptable play.
here's also my random tidbit from the game. Did anyone notice on both sides of the ball the refs were giving ridiculously favorable spots the whole game? I remember one play where Fred Jackson was easily a yard and a half short, and the side judge came and marked a first down, even motioning for the sticks to get moved. The other side judge looked baffled and marked the ball almost 2 yards behind his spot.
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frankly guys, I think Delhomme and Wallace give us an equal chance to win. Seneca may be more mobile and extend plays, but to me he's very inaccurate when it comes to medium or long range throws, and can't really spread it around well. Delhomme can do that, but it's clear his skills are very diminished. I'd probably lean to starting Wallace after last week, but I don't think it really matters. The bottom line is TERRIBLE offensive play calling and the fact that no one outside watson understands how to get open severely limits this team, even with colt under center.
The thing that scared me the most about Delhomme is every time Hillis released from the back-field, he looked to him and threw. I don't know why that is, but it was becoming so obvious to the Bills in the second half. That just isn't acceptable play.
here's also my random tidbit from the game. Did anyone notice on both sides of the ball the refs were giving ridiculously favorable spots the whole game? I remember one play where Fred Jackson was easily a yard and a half short, and the side judge came and marked a first down, even motioning for the sticks to get moved. The other side judge looked baffled and marked the ball almost 2 yards behind his spot.
frankly guys, I think Delhomme and Wallace give us an equal chance to win. Seneca may be more mobile and extend plays, but to me he's very inaccurate when it comes to medium or long range throws, and can't really spread it around well. Delhomme can do that, but it's clear his skills are very diminished. I'd probably lean to starting Wallace after last week, but I don't think it really matters. The bottom line is TERRIBLE offensive play calling and the fact that no one outside watson understands how to get open severely limits this team, even with colt under center.
The thing that scared me the most about Delhomme is every time Hillis released from the back-field, he looked to him and threw. I don't know why that is, but it was becoming so obvious to the Bills in the second half. That just isn't acceptable play.
here's also my random tidbit from the game. Did anyone notice on both sides of the ball the refs were giving ridiculously favorable spots the whole game? I remember one play where Fred Jackson was easily a yard and a half short, and the side judge came and marked a first down, even motioning for the sticks to get moved. The other side judge looked baffled and marked the ball almost 2 yards behind his spot.
YES!! I noticed this too. It heppened a lot! In the first half, it was the official on the far side of the field... I have never seen this happen in a game so often. I felt like he was giving us terrible spots too, but I was probably just paranoid at that point. I figured if I brought this up no one would know what I was talking about but apparently I wasn't seeing things...
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So what if Jake 'spreads the ball around'...........look at the Falcons game............the same team, the same defense...............Wallace qb rating 124 and Delhomme qb rating 30.5
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LMAO
I wouldn't laugh because that statement is actually true. Sadly I think it is what is keeping Delhomme that starter. The coaches say they want the ball thrown to who ever is open instead of trying to get a guy stats, but at the same time they want to see a guy like Robiskie get catches so they can justify in keeping him. Wallce doesn't spread the ball around, but he throws less picks, can escape pressure, and even though he only throws to 3 different guys, they are open when he throws it to them an he can actually get it to them. Being able to spread the ball should mean shit if your still throwing more TD's to the other team than you are to yours.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
I wouldn't laugh because that statement is actually true.Spread the ball out to the other team.
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The Delhomme Watch Update:
Since the playoff game in 2008, Delhomme has thrown 11 TDs and 30 INTs in a little over two calendar years.
It's impossible to argue that there's a worse quarterback in the NFL in that time period. Those numbers are literally Leaf-ian. Just absolutely putrid.
I think very highly of Mike Holmgren, and frankly it looks like he may have taught me a lesson on Colt McCoy. But I would enjoy hearing his thoughts on signing Delhomme, naming him the starter, and playing him 7 mill. It's just very, very tough to rationalize.
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Not here to rub it in but I was singing this song when the Browns picked him up. The guy is awful but until McCoy is healthy do you even have another option? Is Wallace healthy? and isn't Ratlif still on the roster?
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Not here to rub it in but I was singing this song when the Browns picked him up. The guy is awful but until McCoy is healthy do you even have another option? Is Wallace healthy? and isn't Ratlif still on the roster?
Homotron said:
Not here to rub it in but I was singing this song when the Browns picked him up. The guy is awful but until McCoy is healthy do you even have another option? Is Wallace healthy? and isn't Ratlif still on the roster?As far as I know, Homo, Wallace is reasonably healthy. He was active where McCoy could only have been put in if the other 2 were knocked out of the game. I also believe that Ratliff in on another team's roster. At least he was earlier in the season. Ratliff is no answer any more than Delhomme.
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how many times do you think jake has been hit this season? id be willing to bet hes getting hit at a higher rate than seneca was too
id also be willing to bet that the WRs have dropped more jake passes than seneca passes too
you are pointing at a stat and saying "here look......proof" when was the last time seneca helped rebuild a team? when was the last time seneca played on a playoff team? when was the last time seneca played this season?
dudes job was to manage the game......just like colts........jake isnt a game manager, he is a game changer......along with his INTs, he has the ability to spread the ball around unlike any other QB on the roster
I'm not sure what you are watching?
1. Wallace actually has a higher sack percentage which is probably due to knowing when to eat the ball instead of turning it over.
2. Game Changer? Delhomme has thrown for fewer TDS, a ton more Ints., Has a much lower YPC., a much much lower TD%, and has a rating that is 22 points lower.
These are facts, not opinions. Jake seems like a good guy and had some quality years in the past but it is painfully obvious that his days as a starting NFL QB are over. This post is actually my way of eating some crow as I thought he would bring some stability to the position and defended him as such in a few forums. I was wrong, very wrong.
I'm not sure what you are watching?
1. Wallace actually has a higher sack percentage which is probably due to knowing when to eat the ball instead of turning it over.
but not more sacks.....and i wasnt talking about just sacks.....i was talking about pressures and hits too which is something that you just gave up on trying to prove wrong apparently. thats fine.....i didnt really expect a quality response
2. Game Changer? Delhomme has thrown for fewer TDS, a ton more Ints., Has a much lower YPC., a much much lower TD%, and has a rating that is 22 points lower.
and despite throwing more passes, he also has completed 63% of his passes.........his INTs are a result of the coaching staff having enough confidence in him to make the tougher throws. seneca and colt manage the game and try not to make mistakes.......jake tries to win games and the coaching staff has no problem letting him do that
i just love it how you guys cry for a new QB every year........now you are crying for a new QB that you havent seen in almost 10 weeks
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The Delhomme Watch Update:
Since the playoff game in 2008, Delhomme has thrown 11 TDs and 30 INTs in a little over two calendar years.
It's impossible to argue that there's a worse quarterback in the NFL in that time period. Those numbers are literally Leaf-ian. Just absolutely putrid.
I think very highly of Mike Holmgren, and frankly it looks like he may have taught me a lesson on Colt McCoy. But I would enjoy hearing his thoughts on signing Delhomme, naming him the starter, and playing him 7 mill. It's just very, very tough to rationalize.
The Delhomme Watch Update:
Since the playoff game in 2008, Delhomme has thrown 11 TDs and 30 INTs in a little over two calendar years.
It's impossible to argue that there's a worse quarterback in the NFL in that time period. Those numbers are literally Leaf-ian. Just absolutely putrid.
I think very highly of Mike Holmgren, and frankly it looks like he may have taught me a lesson on Colt McCoy. But I would enjoy hearing his thoughts on signing Delhomme, naming him the starter, and playing him 7 mill. It's just very, very tough to rationalize.
exactly. i agree 100%. the argument that holmgren fires mangini because of delhomme is laughable. will he then fire himself?
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I'm not sure what you are watching?
1. Wallace actually has a higher sack percentage which is probably due to knowing when to eat the ball instead of turning it over.
but not more sacks.....and i wasnt talking about just sacks.....i was talking about pressures and hits too which is something that you just gave up on trying to prove wrong apparently. thats fine.....i didnt really expect a quality response
2. Game Changer? Delhomme has thrown for fewer TDS, a ton more Ints., Has a much lower YPC., a much much lower TD%, and has a rating that is 22 points lower.
and despite throwing more passes, he also has completed 63% of his passes.........his INTs are a result of the coaching staff having enough confidence in him to make the tougher throws. seneca and colt manage the game and try not to make mistakes.......jake tries to win games and the coaching staff has no problem letting him do that
i just love it how you guys cry for a new QB every year........now you are crying for a new QB that you havent seen in almost 10 weeks
but not more sacks.....and i wasnt talking about just sacks.....i was talking about pressures and hits too which is something that you just gave up on trying to prove wrong apparently. thats fine.....i didnt really expect a quality response
You want quality? At least I added some sort of statistical proof to back up my claims. The reason you think Jake gets pressured so much is because he always feels heat even when it isn't there. This is part of his bad decision making process.
and despite throwing more passes, he also has completed 63% of his passes.........his INTs are a result of the coaching staff having enough confidence in him to make the tougher throws. seneca and colt manage the game and try not to make mistakes.......jake tries to win games and the coaching staff has no problem letting him do that
i just love it how you guys cry for a new QB every year........now you are crying for a new QB that you haven't seen in almost 10 weeks
If he is chucking it down the field so often how do you explain his YPA being a full yard lower and his YPC being 1.6 yards less. Hmmmm......could it be that you are wrong and just spouting nonsense? I won't even get into the adjusted yards but will say that gets even worse for your argument.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Your right, Mangini is trying to save his job. So when he has to choose between using Delhomme and Wallace what do you think goes through his mind. Do I use the guy who was brought in to be a back up for the next 4-5 years and doesn't have more than a hand full of starts in his careet (Wallace) or do I use the guy that my boss said would be the clear starter this season, is paying him 7 million dollars, was so well liked that he was voted a team captain, and has started in the NFL for 7ish years. If Mangini was going of of skill and picking the one that would actually give our team the best chance to win, he would be going with Wallace. But no he is playing for his job so he is going with the guy who his boss is invested in the most.or maybe.....and stay with me here because im afraid i'll lose you.......maybe delhomme is the better of the 2?
everybody likes to think that things are deeper and more complicated than they actually are. in reality football is simple. you play the guys that help you the most
its possible that mangini is only playing delhomme because holmgren told him too.....its possible there is a huge conspiracy that mangini just doesnt want to win yet
but then again.....why the hell would he do that if delhomme was going to cost him his job? why would he even risk it?
chances are that what mangini sees behind the scenes gives him a slightly better understanding of who should start than anyone on this forum. if you want to know who he thinks is the better player......watch the games and see who plays the most
i think its funny that finally the browns have a front office and coaching staff that doesnt roll over every time the fans cry for a new starter.....but all you guys can do is whine because he wont listen
finally the browns are starting to turn their team around and you guys still cant be happy about it. the browns have been bad for so long because they listen to the fans at the first sign of trouble.......now they have a guy smart enough to stick to his plan and you guys want his head
give it a rest.....there is a reason that cleveland gets laughed at around the rest of the league
or maybe.....and stay with me here because im afraid i'll lose you.......maybe delhomme is the better of the 2?
everybody likes to think that things are deeper and more complicated than they actually are. in reality football is simple. you play the guys that help you the most
its possible that mangini is only playing delhomme because holmgren told him too.....its possible there is a huge conspiracy that mangini just doesnt want to win yet
but then again.....why the hell would he do that if delhomme was going to cost him his job? why would he even risk it?
chances are that what mangini sees behind the scenes gives him a slightly better understanding of who should start than anyone on this forum. if you want to know who he thinks is the better player......watch the games and see who plays the most
i think its funny that finally the browns have a front office and coaching staff that doesnt roll over every time the fans cry for a new starter.....but all you guys can do is whine because he wont listen
finally the browns are starting to turn their team around and you guys still cant be happy about it. the browns have been bad for so long because they listen to the fans at the first sign of trouble.......now they have a guy smart enough to stick to his plan and you guys want his head
give it a rest.....there is a reason that cleveland gets laughed at around the rest of the league
I can vouch firsthand that football is not nearly as cut and dry as you make it out to be. I played college football, and I play semi-professional football and even in these minor leagues it's nothing but politics. So it's very safe to assume that the behind-closed-door politics is amplified tenfold in the NFL., especially since it's involving millions of dollars of the owners money. As a matter of fact, it's almost ridiculous not to assume that.
But you can go ahead and assume that it's all handshakes and verbal contracts.
It's very highly possible that Delhomme is starting because the FO's got a large chunk of money invested in him. In all honesty, with the way he's been playing that's probably exactly what is going on. It happens more often than not, coaches are going to endorse the starter to show faith in them whether or not they actually deserve it. It's been said over and over again "A starter never loses his job due to injury". Jake got injured, Seneca got injured, Colt played well. Then Jake gets fully cleared the same week that Colt puts on a walking boot. I'm interested to see who would have started if Colt didn't hurt himself the previous week. My money's on Jake, Mangini never fully endorsed Colt as the starter throughout the whole process.
We know how Mangini loved to flip-flop QB's last year. You can bet your bottom dollar Holmgren came in and changed that. You can say all you want "Holmgren's only the president, he has no coaching influence", but you know damn well that's not true. He's Mangini's boss, and he said "I'd stop this flip flopping business, if I were you." And Mangini's smart enough to get it. He's toeing the company line, and the company line runs right out of Holmgren's mouth.
Seneca has more physical skill than Delhomme. But Delhomme is getting the starter money, and Delhomme is the one who's going to get first dibs. Especially at the end of his career, because let's face it... these are probably his last three games.
I can't pretend to like it, but it's the truth. It's that simple.
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but not more sacks.....and i wasnt talking about just sacks.....i was talking about pressures and hits too which is something that you just gave up on trying to prove wrong apparently. thats fine.....i didnt really expect a quality response
You want quality? At least I added some sort of statistical proof to back up my claims. The reason you think Jake gets pressured so much is because he always feels heat even when it isn't there. This is part of his bad decision making process.
and despite throwing more passes, he also has completed 63% of his passes.........his INTs are a result of the coaching staff having enough confidence in him to make the tougher throws. seneca and colt manage the game and try not to make mistakes.......jake tries to win games and the coaching staff has no problem letting him do that
i just love it how you guys cry for a new QB every year........now you are crying for a new QB that you haven't seen in almost 10 weeks
If he is chucking it down the field so often how do you explain his YPA being a full yard lower and his YPC being 1.6 yards less. Hmmmm......could it be that you are wrong and just spouting nonsense? I won't even get into the adjusted yards but will say that gets even worse for your argument.
You want quality? At least I added some sort of statistical proof to back up my claims. The reason you think Jake gets pressured so much is because he always feels heat even when it isn't there. This is part of his bad decision making process.
If he is chucking it down the field so often how do you explain his YPA being a full yard lower and his YPC being 1.6 yards less. Hmmmm......could it be that you are wrong and just spouting nonsense? I won't even get into the adjusted yards but will say that gets even worse for your argument.
a whole yard? no way....you're telling me that a whole yard means seneca is that much better of a QB?
no wonder you guys always think you need a new QB......because you actually believe all this nonsense that comes out of your mouth
a yard difference is nothing.....it means nothing.......it means that you are using ridiculous numbers to try and prove a point without takin reality and immeasurables into account
you are making up something about jake feeling pressure when there isnt any.....maybe because he gets hit so much? when his receivers suck and his line doesnt like to hold blocks for him, its easy to see how you would want to get rid of the ball a little quicker
getting rid of the ball quicker means several things......it means you are predictable, it means WRs cant get farther downfield.....and it means the WRs have less time to get open
something that can help explain the lower yards per attempt. it also means that teams respect jake as a passer. jake gets the tougher looks...the tighter coverage....and more pressure to try and force mistakes. seneca and colt are just there......they are on the field but they really dont do anything to help win games other than the occassional 3rd down pass
teams dont have to account for colt or seneca....but they do for jake
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I'm not sure what you are watching?
1. Wallace actually has a higher sack percentage which is probably due to knowing when to eat the ball instead of turning it over.
but not more sacks.....and i wasnt talking about just sacks.....i was talking about pressures and hits too which is something that you just gave up on trying to prove wrong apparently. thats fine.....i didnt really expect a quality response
2. Game Changer? Delhomme has thrown for fewer TDS, a ton more Ints., Has a much lower YPC., a much much lower TD%, and has a rating that is 22 points lower.
and despite throwing more passes, he also has completed 63% of his passes.........his INTs are a result of the coaching staff having enough confidence in him to make the tougher throws. seneca and colt manage the game and try not to make mistakes.......jake tries to win games and the coaching staff has no problem letting him do that
i just love it how you guys cry for a new QB every year........now you are crying for a new QB that you havent seen in almost 10 weeks
.......jake tries to win games and the coaching staff has no problem letting him do that
Haha seriously! He's TRYING to win? Have you actually watched any of the games he's played in bubba? Seriously I wanna know?! In order to win games you Rtard you have to move the chains, as simple as that we can all agree on that...and just how do you move the chains when its 3rd and 16 and you throw a 3yard pass? He's been playin like that all year dildo mouth!
And I think your not takin into consideration that delhomme has way more playing time then wallace. And don't you find that odd that wallace has about 93yards less and delhomme has thrown the ball 47 more times!
Let me show you this again incase your eyes didn't see last time
Wallace
163 passing attempts
693 yards
Delhomme
210 passing attempts
786 yards
And wallace still has more touchdowns and less interceptions all while taking a lot less snaps! If you can't understand that then go crawl back to the little dark cave you reside in you silly little troll.
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@bygmyke said:
Haha seriously! He's TRYING to win? Have you actually watched any of the games he's played in bubba? Seriously I wanna know?! In order to win games you Rtard you have to move the chains, as simple as that we can all agree on that...and just how do you move the chains when its 3rd and 16 and you throw a 3yard pass? He's been playin like that all year dildo mouth!And I think your not takin into consideration that delhomme has way more playing time then wallace. And don't you find that odd that wallace has about 93yards less and delhomme has thrown the ball 47 more times!
Let me show you this again incase your eyes didn't see last time
Wallace
163 passing attempts
693 yards
Delhomme
210 passing attempts
786 yards
And wallace still has more touchdowns and less interceptions all while taking a lot less snaps! If you can't understand that then go crawl back to the little dark cave you reside in you silly little troll.
lol no way.....more passing attempts and more yardage? now why dont we look a little deeper into these stats..........
pass defenses that jake has played
tampa bay 11th
atlanta 24th
carolina 10th
miami 6th
buffalo 4th
pass defenses that seneca has played
kansas city 22nd
baltimore 12th
cincy 15th
atlanta 24th
and.....the only game that they both got significant playing time.....against atlanta. seneca went down right before half time and didnt return and hasnt played since. but one significant fact from that game is although they both played nearly the exact same amount of time in that game, the browns passed the ball almost 10 more times with jake at QB
10 more attempts in a half is a huge number considering the game was still close until there was only 4 minutes left in the game
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You want quality? At least I added some sort of statistical proof to back up my claims. The reason you think Jake gets pressured so much is because he always feels heat even when it isn't there. This is part of his bad decision making process.
If he is chucking it down the field so often how do you explain his YPA being a full yard lower and his YPC being 1.6 yards less. Hmmmm......could it be that you are wrong and just spouting nonsense? I won't even get into the adjusted yards but will say that gets even worse for your argument.
a whole yard? no way....you're telling me that a whole yard means seneca is that much better of a QB?
no wonder you guys always think you need a new QB......because you actually believe all this nonsense that comes out of your mouth
a yard difference is nothing.....it means nothing.......it means that you are using ridiculous numbers to try and prove a point without takin reality and immeasurables into account
you are making up something about jake feeling pressure when there isnt any.....maybe because he gets hit so much? when his receivers suck and his line doesnt like to hold blocks for him, its easy to see how you would want to get rid of the ball a little quicker
getting rid of the ball quicker means several things......it means you are predictable, it means WRs cant get farther downfield.....and it means the WRs have less time to get open
something that can help explain the lower yards per attempt. it also means that teams respect jake as a passer. jake gets the tougher looks...the tighter coverage....and more pressure to try and force mistakes. seneca and colt are just there......they are on the field but they really dont do anything to help win games other than the occassional 3rd down pass
teams dont have to account for colt or seneca....but they do for jake
his line doesnt like to hold blocks for him
Haha did I just seriously read that?! Lmao......you have obviously bumped your head on somthing! So what your trying to say is that the offensive line just doesn't feel like blocking for him?.......yeah that makes a lot of sense...hey guys let's risk our jobs and just not block for delhomme today.
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his line doesnt like to hold blocks for him
Haha did I just seriously read that?! Lmao......you have obviously bumped your head on somthing! So what your trying to say is that the offensive line just doesn't feel like blocking for him?.......yeah that makes a lot of sense...hey guys let's risk our jobs and just not block for delhomme today.
Haha did I just seriously read that?! Lmao......you have obviously bumped your head on somthing! So what your trying to say is that the offensive line just doesn't feel like blocking for him?.......yeah that makes a lot of sense...hey guys let's risk our jobs and just not block for delhomme today.
no....ur a moron....that is not at all what i said
in fact im a little upset with myself that i even acknowleged ur garbage response
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