Jon Gruden is NOT THE Answere
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And teams change coaching staffs and win immediately all the time, often because there was talent on the roster but not the right schemes or coaches. Atlanta, the Jets, Baltimore, KC, St. Louis, Tampa Bay... they all won in either year one or year two. It seems to be more likely to yield MORE wins than less.
so you want the flash-in-the-pan win one super bowl and then suck for another decade like tampa after gruden? how do our arch rivals continue to win over and over again. stability which stems from a good foundation from top to bottom.
so you want the flash-in-the-pan win one super bowl and then suck for another decade like tampa after gruden? how do our arch rivals continue to win over and over again. stability which stems from a good foundation from top to bottom.
Not a flash in the pan. His teams were 9-7 each of his last two years... then fell apart after he left.
The Tampa Bay team he won the Super Bowl with was old. Lean times were inevitable.
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Look, I think Gruden is a good coach. But Mangini deserves more time.
Those who support Gruden want to throw out records, Super Bowl, etc. Fine.
But just answer this question. What would our record be today, after thirteen games, with everything that's happened at QB, with Jon Gruden as our head coach?
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Wow rich, I'm so glad you aren't our gm or in charge of football operations.
You can't compare gruden to mangini. Its like comparing bill parcells and jim mora.
When he comes here you guys will be happy!
Wow rich, I'm so glad you aren't our gm or in charge of football operations.
You can't compare gruden to mangini. Its like comparing bill parcells and jim mora.
When he comes here you guys will be happy!
anyone with a brain larger than a pea is happy you don't call the shots too.
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Wow rich, I'm so glad you aren't our gm or in charge of football operations.
You can't compare gruden to mangini. Its like comparing bill parcells and jim mora.
When he comes here you guys will be happy!
Wow rich, I'm so glad you aren't our gm or in charge of football operations.
You can't compare gruden to mangini. Its like comparing bill parcells and jim mora.
When he comes here you guys will be happy!
Well Parcells never won a playoff game that Belichick was not an assistant so that tell me your football acumen. I get it and got it..................you keep up if you can
and please listen sometimes because a few of us KNOW the game
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I did not say Parcells was not a good coach. I am saying he was way overrated. How great is Miami now? How great were the Pats after he left? How great were the Cowboys with and without him? How great were the Pats after he left?
How great were the Giants after he left?
And yeah tell me how many games he won in the playoffs in all those years without Belichick telling him what to do???
Go for it.
Meanwhile, I am not going into a pissing contest with an obvious football genius. YOU
I got better things to do.
Now if you want to discuss why I have my positions rather that supposing that I am just pissing in the wind
Let's talk .......otherwise buzz off
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after listening to gruden for 5 mins on MNF how could anyone want gruden as their coach? what a moronic little turd. obvious napolean complex.
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I got to the same place a few years ago
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I got to the same place a few years ago
I got to the same place a few years ago
Do you really think you can buly me around by patting yourself on the back?
Just so you know, last year I played madden on coaching mode and won it all.
I would talk footbal with ya if you could choose one side of the fence.
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Jon Gruden did not do well in Oakland and he had one great season in Tampa a year to remember in a team he inherited from Tony Dungy. Dungy's problem was he was too conservative and never concentrated on offense and had a lousy QB. Gruden in the miracle year milked one more great performance out of a serviceable QB backed by a great defense.
Great defenses are few and far between.
Franchise QB's are not nearly as rare and have staying power.
I DO NOT EVER WANT TO SEE JON GRUDEN ON THE SIDELINES FOR THE BROWNS..............
he is more smoke than substance
What I do want to see is a coach who understands how to scheme on defense and is offensive minded. I like to believe that Holmgren thinks that way too.
Heckert is proving to a good GM and Holmgren a good President
I like Mangini but get bewildered by the ultra conservatism on offense and the need to play a washed up Jake.
I do not want Mangini fired especially to replace him with the likes of Gruden which would be a move backward
But if Holmgren sees the next genius that actually is focusing on scoring instead being close............I am all for a new coach
But he better have a record of building offensive powerhouses and stellar defense
Gruden does NOT fit that bill
The Browns have come a long way from the total garbage that Sewage left pardon the pun.
My track record says my judgement has been way good over the years.
We may have a real QB for the first time since Bernie..............now let's get him some weapons and a coach who thinks offense
If Mangini stays he better show that next year or else we need a change
and if Holmgren makes the change now hope that is not Gruden........because that is going backward
Like I said a thousand times to get criticized as opposed to popular opinion Offense Wins championships and we need a coach that focuses on Offense........I think Holmgren thinks that way too......if Mangini cannot adjust time to move on but NOT to Gruden
Jon Gruden did not do well in Oakland and he had one great season in Tampa a year to remember in a team he inherited from Tony Dungy. Dungy's problem was he was too conservative and never concentrated on offense and had a lousy QB. Gruden in the miracle year milked one more great performance out of a serviceable QB backed by a great defense.
Great defenses are few and far between.
Franchise QB's are not nearly as rare and have staying power.
I DO NOT EVER WANT TO SEE JON GRUDEN ON THE SIDELINES FOR THE BROWNS..............
he is more smoke than substance
What I do want to see is a coach who understands how to scheme on defense and is offensive minded. I like to believe that Holmgren thinks that way too.
Heckert is proving to a good GM and Holmgren a good President
I like Mangini but get bewildered by the ultra conservatism on offense and the need to play a washed up Jake.
I do not want Mangini fired especially to replace him with the likes of Gruden which would be a move backward
But if Holmgren sees the next genius that actually is focusing on scoring instead being close............I am all for a new coach
But he better have a record of building offensive powerhouses and stellar defense
Gruden does NOT fit that bill
The Browns have come a long way from the total garbage that Sewage left pardon the pun.
My track record says my judgement has been way good over the years.
We may have a real QB for the first time since Bernie..............now let's get him some weapons and a coach who thinks offense
If Mangini stays he better show that next year or else we need a change
and if Holmgren makes the change now hope that is not Gruden........because that is going backward
Like I said a thousand times to get criticized as opposed to popular opinion Offense Wins championships and we need a coach that focuses on Offense........I think Holmgren thinks that way too......if Mangini cannot adjust time to move on but NOT to Gruden
You know, I bust your chops a lot Rich. But I have to say I agree with what you have to say here.
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oh but Gruden is the answer! How could you say that he didn't do well in Oakland? If it wasn't for the tuck rule the Raiders would have Beaten the Patriots and played in the Super Bowl. Then he took over a Tampa Bay team and won a Super Bowl with Brad Johnson as his quaterback. Maybe some of you guys are satisfied with winning 5 games a season, but Me and Mike Holmgren aren't! Or maybe you really are Mangini's son but either way Mangini will be gone and yes Gruden is the answer! He has been a much better head coach then Mangina and he will lead the Browns to the Super Bowl!
In Gruden We Trust!
oh but Gruden is the answer! How could you say that he didn't do well in Oakland? If it wasn't for the tuck rule the Raiders would have Beaten the Patriots and played in the Super Bowl. Then he took over a Tampa Bay team and won a Super Bowl with Brad Johnson as his quaterback. Maybe some of you guys are satisfied with winning 5 games a season, but Me and Mike Holmgren aren't! Or maybe you really are Mangini's son but either way Mangini will be gone and yes Gruden is the answer! He has been a much better head coach then Mangina and he will lead the Browns to the Super Bowl!
In Gruden We Trust!
so now you are tight with Holmgren
Also, Here is an article I found on Warren Sapp's take on Dungy vs. Gruden: http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bu...ticle643685.ece
*Specifically look at "So who deserves the most credit for winning the Super Bowl? Dungy or Gruden?"
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