Bye Bye Mangini
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Ok I put an asterisk by my previous statement at the beginning of the thread.
Ok I put an asterisk by my previous statement at the beginning of the thread.
Sound, I think is has been requested before by Ballpeen and I would like to second the motion. How bout consolidating the Mangini coaching debate posts into a single thread? There are a ton of insightful posts
being contributed and this would make viewing those opinions more manageable for lazy folks like me not wanting to miss any of the action.
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Im with whatever holmgren deems best for the time being, i dislike mangini as a coach for very valid reasons but we have had somewhat worse coaches and whats another year of losing with little if any progress made?
My preference would be to bring in gruden as it would give us the best chance to grow fast and advance in an offensive fashion..
If we do keep mangini even the fangini's will likely be ready to grab their pitchforks and run him out of town at the end of the next season and that would be worth a good laugh!
Most of us hate it when people get displaced and unemployed but mangini has in my opinion failed in almost every facet of the game and his job, he hasnt done enough nor has he done much right and does not deserve a third chance...
Fact is mangini could have the best talent in the world and would still find a way to waste/misuse it..
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Gruden once told play boy he lost his virginity to the notre dame fight song..
If Gruden isn't the coach next year, will you do us all a favor, and jump off a bridge? The I-480 span over the Valley would be a good place.
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The GM handles getting the talent and the coach tries to utilize it, so yeah gruden is creative and not afraid to try to win and understands how to win with what he has something mangini has proven he cant do, its to late for mangini to replace daboll not like he would anyways but the damage has already been done, and for holmgren to put someone that would do his own thing would likely be unacceptable to mangini and in the end would not serve the organization or fans well...
Im hoping holmgren does a complete purging like he should have done last year, how many years do we have to waste on mangini for the fangini's to see the bum for what he is..
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But John Gruden won with an inherited group of talent, something Mangini did not. There is little talent on this team. We have an above average offensive line, a running back, tight end and a young QB. Our WR's are mediocre at best and our defense lacks playmakers besides Ward, Haden, Rubin and an occasional Rogers sighting.
Gruden inherited a team that was in the playoffs for THREE years continuously before he took over. Sounds a lot like what Mike Tomlin has been blessed with.
Not trying to knock Gruden, but how can Mangini win with these guys?
And Mangini is a defense coach, there is no way he would take over as offensive coordinator. Probably never even thought of.
This team is drastically improved from last season. Another solid draft and free agency pick-ups and we will be competing in the division under Mangini.
Sorry to beat a dead horse. Maybe this should have been posted in a thread that is already open.
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agree 1000%. as others have said "the grass is always greener ".
i know i can come off as being against gruden but i'm really not. i'm against the OMG we're not in the playoffs, fire the coach faction of our fan base. let the MFer sit down and stretch out, order a drink before you run him out of town already. geez imagine if these guys went into their new job and didn't know when to take out the fries when the bell rings......they'd be out whistling dixie before the sun hit their wives' ass down on the docks. imagine their 11 kids then.
in all seriousness... let the guy fulfill his contract and let's see what he can do next year....with the draft, fa and all. next year: no playoffs....send him packing.
Im not sure I follow alot of your arguments. No one here said play offs. I think we were thinking 7 or 8 wins.
You also talk a whole bunch about guys not giving enough time to turn things around. So since we have been back in the league, who have we run out of town??
Romeo, Butch Davis, Chris Palmer??? Really, your telling me if we stuck we any of these bafoons we would be a solid team now?
Its like this, what if you were driving in the wrong direction but have already turned around a couple of times.. Would you keep on driving hoping you made it to your destination? If you feel Mangini is the guy then you keep him, if you dont then you replace him.
Its not at black and white as that, but to stay the course for the purpose of stability is just a foolish argument.
Im not sure I follow alot of your arguments. No one here said play offs. I think we were thinking 7 or 8 wins.
You also talk a whole bunch about guys not giving enough time to turn things around. So since we have been back in the league, who have we run out of town??
Romeo, Butch Davis, Chris Palmer??? Really, your telling me if we stuck we any of these bafoons we would be a solid team now?
Its like this, what if you were driving in the wrong direction but have already turned around a couple of times.. Would you keep on driving hoping you made it to your destination? If you feel Mangini is the guy then you keep him, if you dont then you replace him.
Its not at black and white as that, but to stay the course for the purpose of stability is just a foolish argument.
This statement is another problem with Browns fans. Progression isn't that easy. In your perfect world I'm sure you would expect a 5-11 team last year to improve 2-3 wins each year until we would eventually go undefeated and win the Super Bowl! I hate to break it to you, but that never happens.
You have to look at the whole picture. Our record isn't better, but we have a few more pieces and our team has been in virtually every game unlike last year. The wins will come but you can't expect 3 more wins every year, especially with Pittsburgh and Baltimore in the same division. Could we have 2-3 more wins this year? Yes. But I don't care who coached us this year, our record would not have been much different...
I feel that Holmgren has the same view and will give Mangini another year. I also just want the media to be wrong again so they can complain about how stupid they think Holmgren is (since they were wrong and want to act like they should have been right). Browns fans yelling change every year don't have to have an opinion anyway as they just turn on the T.V. and agree with everything the media throws their way...
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Im not sure I follow alot of your arguments. No one here said play offs. I think we were thinking 7 or 8 wins.
You also talk a whole bunch about guys not giving enough time to turn things around. So since we have been back in the league, who have we run out of town??
Romeo, Butch Davis, Chris Palmer??? Really, your telling me if we stuck we any of these bafoons we would be a solid team now?
Its like this, what if you were driving in the wrong direction but have already turned around a couple of times.. Would you keep on driving hoping you made it to your destination? If you feel Mangini is the guy then you keep him, if you dont then you replace him.
Its not at black and white as that, but to stay the course for the purpose of stability is just a foolish argument.
the only one of the coaches you mentioned that are decent HEAD coaches is butch davis. he has give NC some football cred.
hey people above us with much more knowledge in this game gave the guy three years. yes we are going in the right direction. we need key personnel to get healthy and to add more in the draft of FA. you gotta give a guy a chance to see if his system works. i think it takes more than a year to evaluate.
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Why are so many Browns fans willing to settle for mediocrity and are almost happy with it? You mean to tell it's wrong to expect a 2-3 win improvement for a coach taking over a 4-12 team.
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Why are so many Browns fans willing to settle for mediocrity and are almost happy with it? You mean to tell it's wrong to expect a 2-3 win improvement for a coach taking over a 4-12 team.
Why are so many Browns fans willing to settle for mediocrity and are almost happy with it? You mean to tell it's wrong to expect a 2-3 win improvement for a coach taking over a 4-12 team.
No, it's wrong to measure improvement solely based on wins and losses.
And no one is settling for mediocrity. Did you really expect this team to go to the playoffs this year? Did you really? Then you should have your freakin' head examined. Look at the roster for crying out loud. This team wasn't going anywhere this year with Vince Lombardi as the HC, Bill Walsh as the OC, and Bill Belichick/Dick LeBeau as co-DCs.
What were your expectations going in? Mine were for a better level of competitiveness and more wins, hopefully 7-9, 8-8. Again, hopefully. Are we more competitive against good teams? Absolutely. Are we going to win 7 or 8? No. But were we far from that plateau when you look at the games? Obviously not. Close games, the entire year against good and bad. One play here or there. Stuckey's fumble, Kasay's doink-job, Wallace's pick-six. That's life in the NFL.
Even the good teams have had their share of ups and downs. Take Pittsburgh for example. Lucky to win at Buffalo. Lucky to win at Miami. Lost a close one against New York. Lost at New Orleans. Lost at home big-time to New England. Obviously, they have had more ups than downs, but inconsistency reigns in the NFL especially when you don't have playmakers at key positions. Hell, they went from SB champs to out of the playoffs in one season. Need I say more?
If the Browns are 5-11 next year with an easier schedule, another Heckert draft, and a full year of Colt at QB, then hell yes nobody, not even the staunchest EM supporters should be settling for that. Then, and only then, can we justifiably talk about EM being shown the door.
Damn, I just hate it when people refuse to recognize the fact that EM has been the ONLY coach here willing to do a rebuild the right way: clean up the roster/locker room, acquire more draft picks, and instill a tougher, more disciplined and consistent approach to the game. And now because we have lost to Buffalo and Cincy in consecutive weeks, it's clear we're not making progress in Year 2 of a FULL FLEDGED REBUILD? Bullshit.
...searching for Nev Chandler..."5,4,3,2,1, Touchdown Browns!! -
in this business its measured in wins and losses.
You say we have a tougher team but we have looked pretty soft the last two weeks.
I think mangini supporters are more anal then me.
in this business its measured in wins and losses.
You say we have a tougher team but we have looked pretty soft the last two weeks.
I think mangini supporters are more anal then me.
Again, that's such a short-sighted, piece of shit response, REBEL.
We're so much more physical with Mangini than we ever were with Crennel. I'm also talking about mental toughness which Mangini has helped to instill in this team as well. When things were going badly last year, the team played through it and it paid off with solid efforts in the last six games or so. That never happened for Crennel or Davis or Palmer when things started to get ugly.
So we have looked soft the last two weeks. Yep, you're right and that's what we should base it on alone. Never mind the fact that when this team was fully healthy on both lines it beat up teams in the trenches like New England, New Orleans, and Baltimore. But let's just base it on 120 minutes of football that wasn't so good.
As far as wins and losses go, I am assuming you would fire Chan Gailey, Steve Spagnuolo, Jim Schwartz, and Ken Whisenhunt after this year, too? Because those guys are failures with wins and losses as well.
Never mind that each of these coaches have faced their own pieces of adversity and extenuating circumstances. I mean how can these guys win when they lose their top two quarterbacks to injury, have only one viable running back, no gamebreakers at wide receiver, have lost three key members of their front seven to injury on defense, and their biggest special teams/WildDawg threat has been playing on a bum wheel the last half of the season?
Oh, that's only the case here in Cleveland? Really? Well, bring in Gruden to drop some pixie dust on this roster and voila, we'll be printin' Super Bowl tickets before you know it.
...searching for Nev Chandler..."5,4,3,2,1, Touchdown Browns!! -
These guys need to learn how to have fun out there. The teams that win on a consistent basis have fun doing what they're doing. A lot of people could tell right away that was one of the things wrong with Bret Favre this year. He wasn't playing with energy he wasn't having the fun he used to have year in and year out. Where this team gets into trouble is they don't play every play like it's their last one ever. If they would do that with each play this team would be in the division race or at least leaving the flaky Jets on the outside looking in for the wild card. When these young guys learn to play every single play like it's their very last play in their lives they will be consistent in all aspects of the game. Does that mind set come from the coach? Maybe from a philosophical stand point. But fellas, let's be real it's not like ol' EM has a XBox 360 controller controlling every block, pass, run, or tackle. He can try to instill the values that's it. It's up to the ones that play the game to put it into motion.
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in this business its measured in wins and losses.
You say we have a tougher team but we have looked pretty soft the last two weeks.
I think mangini supporters are more anal then me.
Again, that's such a short-sighted, piece of shit response, REBEL.
We're so much more physical with Mangini than we ever were with Crennel. I'm also talking about mental toughness which Mangini has helped to instill in this team as well. When things were going badly last year, the team played through it and it paid off with solid efforts in the last six games or so. That never happened for Crennel or Davis or Palmer when things started to get ugly.
So we have looked soft the last two weeks. Yep, you're right and that's what we should base it on alone. Never mind the fact that when this team was fully healthy on both lines it beat up teams in the trenches like New England, New Orleans, and Baltimore. But let's just base it on 120 minutes of football that wasn't so good.
As far as wins and losses go, I am assuming you would fire Chan Gailey, Steve Spagnuolo, Jim Schwartz, and Ken Whisenhunt after this year, too? Because those guys are failures with wins and losses as well.
Never mind that each of these coaches have faced their own pieces of adversity and extenuating circumstances. I mean how can these guys win when they lose their top two quarterbacks to injury, have only one viable running back, no gamebreakers at wide receiver, have lost three key members of their front seven to injury on defense, and their biggest special teams/WildDawg threat has been playing on a bum wheel the last half of the season?
Oh, that's only the case here in Cleveland? Really? Well, bring in Gruden to drop some pixie dust on this roster and voila, we'll be printin' Super Bowl tickets before you know it.
Again, that's such a short-sighted, piece of shit response, REBEL.
We're so much more physical with Mangini than we ever were with Crennel. I'm also talking about mental toughness which Mangini has helped to instill in this team as well. When things were going badly last year, the team played through it and it paid off with solid efforts in the last six games or so. That never happened for Crennel or Davis or Palmer when things started to get ugly.
So we have looked soft the last two weeks. Yep, you're right and that's what we should base it on alone. Never mind the fact that when this team was fully healthy on both lines it beat up teams in the trenches like New England, New Orleans, and Baltimore. But let's just base it on 120 minutes of football that wasn't so good.
As far as wins and losses go, I am assuming you would fire Chan Gailey, Steve Spagnuolo, Jim Schwartz, and Ken Whisenhunt after this year, too? Because those guys are failures with wins and losses as well.
Never mind that each of these coaches have faced their own pieces of adversity and extenuating circumstances. I mean how can these guys win when they lose their top two quarterbacks to injury, have only one viable running back, no gamebreakers at wide receiver, have lost three key members of their front seven to injury on defense, and their biggest special teams/WildDawg threat has been playing on a bum wheel the last half of the season?
Oh, that's only the case here in Cleveland? Really? Well, bring in Gruden to drop some pixie dust on this roster and voila, we'll be printin' Super Bowl tickets before you know it.
Your basing success on 180 mins of football.
OK, I'm with you guys wins and losses don't count. Get the parents to make a tunnel for the team to run through and bust out the orange slices. Participation trophy's to follow.
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Again, that's such a short-sighted, piece of shit response, REBEL.
We're so much more physical with Mangini than we ever were with Crennel. I'm also talking about mental toughness which Mangini has helped to instill in this team as well. When things were going badly last year, the team played through it and it paid off with solid efforts in the last six games or so. That never happened for Crennel or Davis or Palmer when things started to get ugly.
So we have looked soft the last two weeks. Yep, you're right and that's what we should base it on alone. Never mind the fact that when this team was fully healthy on both lines it beat up teams in the trenches like New England, New Orleans, and Baltimore. But let's just base it on 120 minutes of football that wasn't so good.
As far as wins and losses go, I am assuming you would fire Chan Gailey, Steve Spagnuolo, Jim Schwartz, and Ken Whisenhunt after this year, too? Because those guys are failures with wins and losses as well.
Never mind that each of these coaches have faced their own pieces of adversity and extenuating circumstances. I mean how can these guys win when they lose their top two quarterbacks to injury, have only one viable running back, no gamebreakers at wide receiver, have lost three key members of their front seven to injury on defense, and their biggest special teams/WildDawg threat has been playing on a bum wheel the last half of the season?
Oh, that's only the case here in Cleveland? Really? Well, bring in Gruden to drop some pixie dust on this roster and voila, we'll be printin' Super Bowl tickets before you know it.
Your basing success on 180 mins of football.
OK, I'm with you guys wins and losses don't count. Get the parents to make a tunnel for the team to run through and bust out the orange slices. Participation trophy's to follow.
Your basing success on 180 mins of football.
OK, I'm with you guys wins and losses don't count. Get the parents to make a tunnel for the team to run through and bust out the orange slices. Participation trophy's to follow.
That's just my point, you dope. My argument isn't any more valid than REBEL's is.
You have to look at the whole picture. Not just wins and losses, not just one or two games in a season. Every season takes on its own identity. You have ups and downs, injuries, near misses, thrilling wins, frustrating losses, etc.
With what the expectations were for this season, with what's happened to this thin roster as the season's worn on, with Colt McCoy's surprising emergence, with Josh Cribbs's contributions being nil the last half of the season, etc., I am encouraged by what I see for the future with EM as our coach.
Remember, we still have holes in our personnel at many areas on the field:
Right guard
Right tackle
#1 wide receiver
Backup running back
Defensive end
Defensive end
Inside linebacker
Nickel corner
Why are we 5-9? Because of poor coaching alone? Is that really the argument from those that want to fire Coach Mangini? Seriously, how many organizations in this league would swap out their roster for ours? And before you go crucifying Mangini about the '09 draft (which was terrible and why he no longer runs the draft/scouting) understand that this roster has NEVER been stocked with talent at the key positions since we've been back in '99.
This is the first year we have had a good, deep draft that has had immediate impact and promising impact for the long-term.
We have ten-year starters at three key positions. That's clear after just fourteen regular season games. Heckert did a great job in his first go-round here in Cleveland.
Give Mangini more talent via the draft and free agency and this team will be a playoff contender in 2011. Period.
Does anybody here realize how deep and talented the AFC is? It's damn difficult to make the playoffs. You might have two 12-4 WILDCARDS this year. There's a good chance the Browns will have played ALL SIX playoff teams in the AFC this year. That's eight games, half the schedule. Let that marinate for a moment.
To make the playoffs in this conference with a roster thin on talent, nearly everything has to fall right and you have to take advantage of the breaks you get (easy schedule, catching a banged-up/reeling team at the right time, etc.) to be in the hunt in December. I am not making excuses here. I'm simply stating what is common knowledge. The Browns were on the cusp of doing this until Fujita's injury, Stuckey's fumble, Jones-Drew's screen pass rumble, and Colt's turned ankle. Boom, just like that, any chances this team had to contend were gone. Mediocre teams can't afford these bad breaks at key times. Good teams can and usually do overcome them. The Browns arent' there YET with Mangini, but with more talent at the right positions next year they COULD be.
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I am all for bringing back Mangini. Record aside, this team is clearly a more competitive team than the one we all watched last year. There has been improvement on both sides of the ball. The one thing that hasn't changed is the terrible offensive play calling. Daboll needs to be fired and they need to get a real OC to replace him. I've heard complaints about the defense, but I have to say that the defense is playing well...especially for the amount of time they are forced to stay on the field. The Browns are getting destroyed when it comes to TOP. The Offense isn't consistantly sustaining drives. The defense is playing tired and still keeping the Browns in games. With a solid draft this year, and Colt under center with a new OC, and the continued progress of the current young roster, this team should challenge in the division next year and have a shot at the playoffs. If they replace Mangini and start over again, we are looking at another year or 2 below .500.
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in this business its measured in wins and losses.
You say we have a tougher team but we have looked pretty soft the last two weeks.
I think mangini supporters are more anal then me.
Again, that's such a short-sighted, piece of shit response, REBEL.
We're so much more physical with Mangini than we ever were with Crennel. I'm also talking about mental toughness which Mangini has helped to instill in this team as well. When things were going badly last year, the team played through it and it paid off with solid efforts in the last six games or so. That never happened for Crennel or Davis or Palmer when things started to get ugly.
So we have looked soft the last two weeks. Yep, you're right and that's what we should base it on alone. Never mind the fact that when this team was fully healthy on both lines it beat up teams in the trenches like New England, New Orleans, and Baltimore. But let's just base it on 120 minutes of football that wasn't so good.
As far as wins and losses go, I am assuming you would fire Chan Gailey, Steve Spagnuolo, Jim Schwartz, and Ken Whisenhunt after this year, too? Because those guys are failures with wins and losses as well.
Never mind that each of these coaches have faced their own pieces of adversity and extenuating circumstances. I mean how can these guys win when they lose their top two quarterbacks to injury, have only one viable running back, no gamebreakers at wide receiver, have lost three key members of their front seven to injury on defense, and their biggest special teams/WildDawg threat has been playing on a bum wheel the last half of the season?
Oh, that's only the case here in Cleveland? Really? Well, bring in Gruden to drop some pixie dust on this roster and voila, we'll be printin' Super Bowl tickets before you know it.
Again, that's such a short-sighted, piece of shit response, REBEL.
We're so much more physical with Mangini than we ever were with Crennel. I'm also talking about mental toughness which Mangini has helped to instill in this team as well. When things were going badly last year, the team played through it and it paid off with solid efforts in the last six games or so. That never happened for Crennel or Davis or Palmer when things started to get ugly.
So we have looked soft the last two weeks. Yep, you're right and that's what we should base it on alone. Never mind the fact that when this team was fully healthy on both lines it beat up teams in the trenches like New England, New Orleans, and Baltimore. But let's just base it on 120 minutes of football that wasn't so good.
As far as wins and losses go, I am assuming you would fire Chan Gailey, Steve Spagnuolo, Jim Schwartz, and Ken Whisenhunt after this year, too? Because those guys are failures with wins and losses as well.
Never mind that each of these coaches have faced their own pieces of adversity and extenuating circumstances. I mean how can these guys win when they lose their top two quarterbacks to injury, have only one viable running back, no gamebreakers at wide receiver, have lost three key members of their front seven to injury on defense, and their biggest special teams/WildDawg threat has been playing on a bum wheel the last half of the season?
Oh, that's only the case here in Cleveland? Really? Well, bring in Gruden to drop some pixie dust on this roster and voila, we'll be printin' Super Bowl tickets before you know it.
I like how you mangini supports grasp for what ever you can to make an arugment.
"So we have looked soft the last two weeks. Yep, you're right and that's what we should base it on alone. Never mind the fact that when this team was fully healthy on both lines it beat up teams in the trenches like New England, New Orleans, and Baltimore. But let's just base it on 120 minutes of football that wasn't so good."
Hey numb nuts, Im actually judging him on the last two years.. I use the last two games as an example with all you homo's saying how hard we play.. This is still a bottom line business, and yes alot of it is determined by wins and losses.
Your one of the mangini supporters who use smoke and mirrors in there posts.
"Oh, that's only the case here in Cleveland? Really? Well, bring in Gruden to drop some pixie dust on this roster and voila, we'll be printin' Super Bowl tickets before you know it."
Not pixie dust dick weed, but gruden would bring in something called offense. You do know that when we have the ball, we are on offense right?
'IM DREAMING OF A JON GRUDEN, JUST LIKE THE ONE FROM TAMPA BAY"
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Ok I put an asterisk by my previous statement at the beginning of the thread.
Sound, I think is has been requested before by Ballpeen and I would like to second the motion. How bout consolidating the Mangini coaching debate posts into a single thread? There are a ton of insightful posts
being contributed and this would make viewing those opinions more manageable for lazy folks like me not wanting to miss any of the action.
Sound, I think is has been requested before by Ballpeen and I would like to second the motion. How bout consolidating the Mangini coaching debate posts into a single thread? There are a ton of insightful posts
being contributed and this would make viewing those opinions more manageable for lazy folks like me not wanting to miss any of the action.
UGH ok haha im a lazy asshole today but ill work on it!
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Again, that's such a short-sighted, piece of shit response, REBEL.
We're so much more physical with Mangini than we ever were with Crennel. I'm also talking about mental toughness which Mangini has helped to instill in this team as well. When things were going badly last year, the team played through it and it paid off with solid efforts in the last six games or so. That never happened for Crennel or Davis or Palmer when things started to get ugly.
So we have looked soft the last two weeks. Yep, you're right and that's what we should base it on alone. Never mind the fact that when this team was fully healthy on both lines it beat up teams in the trenches like New England, New Orleans, and Baltimore. But let's just base it on 120 minutes of football that wasn't so good.
As far as wins and losses go, I am assuming you would fire Chan Gailey, Steve Spagnuolo, Jim Schwartz, and Ken Whisenhunt after this year, too? Because those guys are failures with wins and losses as well.
Never mind that each of these coaches have faced their own pieces of adversity and extenuating circumstances. I mean how can these guys win when they lose their top two quarterbacks to injury, have only one viable running back, no gamebreakers at wide receiver, have lost three key members of their front seven to injury on defense, and their biggest special teams/WildDawg threat has been playing on a bum wheel the last half of the season?
Oh, that's only the case here in Cleveland? Really? Well, bring in Gruden to drop some pixie dust on this roster and voila, we'll be printin' Super Bowl tickets before you know it.
I like how you mangini supports grasp for what ever you can to make an arugment.
"So we have looked soft the last two weeks. Yep, you're right and that's what we should base it on alone. Never mind the fact that when this team was fully healthy on both lines it beat up teams in the trenches like New England, New Orleans, and Baltimore. But let's just base it on 120 minutes of football that wasn't so good."
Hey numb nuts, Im actually judging him on the last two years.. I use the last two games as an example with all you homo's saying how hard we play.. This is still a bottom line business, and yes alot of it is determined by wins and losses.
Your one of the mangini supporters who use smoke and mirrors in there posts.
"Oh, that's only the case here in Cleveland? Really? Well, bring in Gruden to drop some pixie dust on this roster and voila, we'll be printin' Super Bowl tickets before you know it."
Not pixie dust dick weed, but gruden would bring in something called offense. You do know that when we have the ball, we are on offense right?
'IM DREAMING OF A JON GRUDEN, JUST LIKE THE ONE FROM TAMPA BAY"
I like how you mangini supports grasp for what ever you can to make an arugment.
"So we have looked soft the last two weeks. Yep, you're right and that's what we should base it on alone. Never mind the fact that when this team was fully healthy on both lines it beat up teams in the trenches like New England, New Orleans, and Baltimore. But let's just base it on 120 minutes of football that wasn't so good."
Hey numb nuts, Im actually judging him on the last two years.. I use the last two games as an example with all you homo's saying how hard we play.. This is still a bottom line business, and yes alot of it is determined by wins and losses.
Your one of the mangini supporters who use smoke and mirrors in there posts.
"Oh, that's only the case here in Cleveland? Really? Well, bring in Gruden to drop some pixie dust on this roster and voila, we'll be printin' Super Bowl tickets before you know it."
Not pixie dust dick weed, but gruden would bring in something called offense. You do know that when we have the ball, we are on offense right?
'IM DREAMING OF A JON GRUDEN, JUST LIKE THE ONE FROM TAMPA BAY"
Judging on the last two years, huh?
Okay, then.
Then answer a few questions for me:
1) Is this team better off now than it was in January 2009 when Eric Mangini was hired?
2) What do you think Jon Gruden's record would be here in Cleveland and why, had he been hired instead of Mangini in January 2009?
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