Bye Bye Mangini
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Well, here we go, the Cleveland Browns HC carousel has begun AGAIN! Mangini will be fired making a lot of "fans" very happy, we all will be hearing names like Cowher and Gruden and resurrecting Paul Brown and seeing if Lombardi has a grandson, but will either end up with Holmgren coaching (which destroys the solid structure this team FINALLY has) or some coordinator moving up to HC for the first time. About this time in 2012 (if the earth is still here) we will be talking the SAME thing. FIRE THE COACH!
I dont know, maybe its just me and all, but NO "big name" or "well established" coach is going to come to Cleveland! ITS CAREER SUICIDE! This city (and partially understandable) is SO impatient and SO miserable that they want to be the Patriots or Stools over night. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! The LACK of TALENT on this team for YEARS will NEVER ALLOW A COACH TO COME IN AND WIN OUT! NEVER!
I also find it funny that people want to switch back to the 4-3. That would be a COMPLETE overhaul of the front 7 of the D. After complaining about the 4-3 for years......again, the cycle. LOL!
When will Cleveland learn? Hoping for losses, nitpicking stupid crap, forgetting any positive thing and only focusing on the negatives.......its what Cleveland does.......
I guess I should join the fight then. I hope for a loss game one next year, it will be a meaningless win that will only cause (insert new HC name here) to be here longer and will just screw up our draft pick anyway! YEAH!
Sorry, just sick of losing, and sick of all the "FIRE EVERYONE!" all the flippin time........banghead
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Well, here we go, the Cleveland Browns HC carousel has begun AGAIN! Mangini will be fired making a lot of "fans" very happy, we all will be hearing names like Cowher and Gruden and resurrecting Paul Brown and seeing if Lombardi has a grandson, but will either end up with Holmgren coaching (which destroys the solid structure this team FINALLY has) or some coordinator moving up to HC for the first time. About this time in 2012 (if the earth is still here) we will be talking the SAME thing. FIRE THE COACH!
I dont know, maybe its just me and all, but NO "big name" or "well established" coach is going to come to Cleveland! ITS CAREER SUICIDE! This city (and partially understandable) is SO impatient and SO miserable that they want to be the Patriots or Stools over night. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! The LACK of TALENT on this team for YEARS will NEVER ALLOW A COACH TO COME IN AND WIN OUT! NEVER!
I also find it funny that people want to switch back to the 4-3. That would be a COMPLETE overhaul of the front 7 of the D. After complaining about the 4-3 for years......again, the cycle. LOL!
When will Cleveland learn? Hoping for losses, nitpicking stupid crap, forgetting any positive thing and only focusing on the negatives.......its what Cleveland does.......
I guess I should join the fight then. I hope for a loss game one next year, it will be a meaningless win that will only cause (insert new HC name here) to be here longer and will just screw up our draft pick anyway! YEAH!
Sorry, just sick of losing, and sick of all the "FIRE EVERYONE!" all the flippin time........banghead
Well, here we go, the Cleveland Browns HC carousel has begun AGAIN! Mangini will be fired making a lot of "fans" very happy, we all will be hearing names like Cowher and Gruden and resurrecting Paul Brown and seeing if Lombardi has a grandson, but will either end up with Holmgren coaching (which destroys the solid structure this team FINALLY has) or some coordinator moving up to HC for the first time. About this time in 2012 (if the earth is still here) we will be talking the SAME thing. FIRE THE COACH!
I dont know, maybe its just me and all, but NO "big name" or "well established" coach is going to come to Cleveland! ITS CAREER SUICIDE! This city (and partially understandable) is SO impatient and SO miserable that they want to be the Patriots or Stools over night. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! The LACK of TALENT on this team for YEARS will NEVER ALLOW A COACH TO COME IN AND WIN OUT! NEVER!
I also find it funny that people want to switch back to the 4-3. That would be a COMPLETE overhaul of the front 7 of the D. After complaining about the 4-3 for years......again, the cycle. LOL!
When will Cleveland learn? Hoping for losses, nitpicking stupid crap, forgetting any positive thing and only focusing on the negatives.......its what Cleveland does.......
I guess I should join the fight then. I hope for a loss game one next year, it will be a meaningless win that will only cause (insert new HC name here) to be here longer and will just screw up our draft pick anyway! YEAH!
Sorry, just sick of losing, and sick of all the "FIRE EVERYONE!" all the flippin time........banghead
Do me a favor quit putting Cowher in the equation. He won't coach the Browns. I have a better chance of catching a piggy back ride from big foot to Kennywood with the park open JUST FOR ME. It's not gonna happen.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Well, here we go, the Cleveland Browns HC carousel has begun AGAIN! Mangini will be fired making a lot of "fans" very happy, we all will be hearing names like Cowher and Gruden and resurrecting Paul Brown and seeing if Lombardi has a grandson, but will either end up with Holmgren coaching (which destroys the solid structure this team FINALLY has) or some coordinator moving up to HC for the first time. About this time in 2012 (if the earth is still here) we will be talking the SAME thing. FIRE THE COACH!
I dont know, maybe its just me and all, but NO "big name" or "well established" coach is going to come to Cleveland! ITS CAREER SUICIDE! This city (and partially understandable) is SO impatient and SO miserable that they want to be the Patriots or Stools over night. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! The LACK of TALENT on this team for YEARS will NEVER ALLOW A COACH TO COME IN AND WIN OUT! NEVER!
I also find it funny that people want to switch back to the 4-3. That would be a COMPLETE overhaul of the front 7 of the D. After complaining about the 4-3 for years......again, the cycle. LOL!
When will Cleveland learn? Hoping for losses, nitpicking stupid crap, forgetting any positive thing and only focusing on the negatives.......its what Cleveland does.......
I guess I should join the fight then. I hope for a loss game one next year, it will be a meaningless win that will only cause (insert new HC name here) to be here longer and will just screw up our draft pick anyway! YEAH!
Sorry, just sick of losing, and sick of all the "FIRE EVERYONE!" all the flippin time........banghead
Do me a favor quit putting Cowher in the equation. He won't coach the Browns. I have a better chance of catching a piggy back ride from big foot to Kennywood with the park open JUST FOR ME. It's not gonna happen.
Homotron said:
Do me a favor quit putting Cowher in the equation. He won't coach the Browns. I have a better chance of catching a piggy back ride from big foot to Kennywood with the park open JUST FOR ME. It's not gonna happen.I agree, I used it as an example of the CHANTS 2 years ago, not out of reality.
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Well, here we go, the Cleveland Browns HC carousel has begun AGAIN! Mangini will be fired making a lot of "fans" very happy, we all will be hearing names like Cowher and Gruden and resurrecting Paul Brown and seeing if Lombardi has a grandson, but will either end up with Holmgren coaching (which destroys the solid structure this team FINALLY has) or some coordinator moving up to HC for the first time. About this time in 2012 (if the earth is still here) we will be talking the SAME thing. FIRE THE COACH!
I dont know, maybe its just me and all, but NO "big name" or "well established" coach is going to come to Cleveland! ITS CAREER SUICIDE! This city (and partially understandable) is SO impatient and SO miserable that they want to be the Patriots or Stools over night. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! The LACK of TALENT on this team for YEARS will NEVER ALLOW A COACH TO COME IN AND WIN OUT! NEVER!
I also find it funny that people want to switch back to the 4-3. That would be a COMPLETE overhaul of the front 7 of the D. After complaining about the 4-3 for years......again, the cycle. LOL!
When will Cleveland learn? Hoping for losses, nitpicking stupid crap, forgetting any positive thing and only focusing on the negatives.......its what Cleveland does.......
I guess I should join the fight then. I hope for a loss game one next year, it will be a meaningless win that will only cause (insert new HC name here) to be here longer and will just screw up our draft pick anyway! YEAH!
Sorry, just sick of losing, and sick of all the "FIRE EVERYONE!" all the flippin time........banghead
Do me a favor quit putting Cowher in the equation. He won't coach the Browns. I have a better chance of catching a piggy back ride from big foot to Kennywood with the park open JUST FOR ME. It's not gonna happen.
Homotron said:
Do me a favor quit putting Cowher in the equation. He won't coach the Browns. I have a better chance of catching a piggy back ride from big foot to Kennywood with the park open JUST FOR ME. It's not gonna happen.Agree with you on the Chin- but agree with everything else in the post. Maybe Holmgren will give Mangini one more year and put the boo birds to rest at least until September.
If you take it to the negative Nancy's logical conclusion, you should fire every new coach the first year he doesn't win the Super Bowl.
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Well, here we go, the Cleveland Browns HC carousel has begun AGAIN! Mangini will be fired making a lot of "fans" very happy, we all will be hearing names like Cowher and Gruden and resurrecting Paul Brown and seeing if Lombardi has a grandson, but will either end up with Holmgren coaching (which destroys the solid structure this team FINALLY has) or some coordinator moving up to HC for the first time. About this time in 2012 (if the earth is still here) we will be talking the SAME thing. FIRE THE COACH!
I dont know, maybe its just me and all, but NO "big name" or "well established" coach is going to come to Cleveland! ITS CAREER SUICIDE! This city (and partially understandable) is SO impatient and SO miserable that they want to be the Patriots or Stools over night. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! The LACK of TALENT on this team for YEARS will NEVER ALLOW A COACH TO COME IN AND WIN OUT! NEVER!
I also find it funny that people want to switch back to the 4-3. That would be a COMPLETE overhaul of the front 7 of the D. After complaining about the 4-3 for years......again, the cycle. LOL!
When will Cleveland learn? Hoping for losses, nitpicking stupid crap, forgetting any positive thing and only focusing on the negatives.......its what Cleveland does.......
I guess I should join the fight then. I hope for a loss game one next year, it will be a meaningless win that will only cause (insert new HC name here) to be here longer and will just screw up our draft pick anyway! YEAH!
Sorry, just sick of losing, and sick of all the "FIRE EVERYONE!" all the flippin time........banghead
Do me a favor quit putting Cowher in the equation. He won't coach the Browns. I have a better chance of catching a piggy back ride from big foot to Kennywood with the park open JUST FOR ME. It's not gonna happen.
Homotron said:
Do me a favor quit putting Cowher in the equation. He won't coach the Browns. I have a better chance of catching a piggy back ride from big foot to Kennywood with the park open JUST FOR ME. It's not gonna happen.As much as I hate to say it but I agree with you. I dont ever see him coming here. It will only tarnish his legacy in Pissburgh. Then again I dont see him coaching ever again.
He had a good thing going on in pittsburgh and he still left. I dont know if it was because of his family or he just wanted to quit while on top but why give up a good team just to start all over again when you could of kept winning in the first place.
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It's not the Browns... it's the NFL. If you follow up 5-11 with 5-11 and a very uninspired last several games, you're either fired or damn lucky, period. It's a fact.
But this situation is unusual because this is the Holmgren era in Cleveland, not the Mangini era. I'd guess that 9 of 10 "experts" were stunned that Holmgren didn't bring in his own people and his own systems, which would be totally understandable. Now he will... and should.
It's not much in the way of starting over if Holmgren moves to the sideline and Haskell becomes OC... and let's be brutally honest: Mangini and Daboll are NOT Holmgren and Haskell. They've accomplished nothing in this league. Holmgren has been to THREE Super Bowls and won one. Few coaches can match that.
The Rams and Chiefs weren't thought to be exactly talent-laden... but both are gonna be in the playoffs after several dismal years. The Browns have lots of good players -- Thomas, Steinbach, Mack, Watson, Vickers, Hillis, McCoy, Rubin, Rogers, Gocong, Benard, Fujita, Brown, Haden, Ward, Cribbs, and Dawson are all very, VERY good football players. Yes, we have a gaping hole at WR and need help at RT. Sure, we need another LB and a DE. But that's not nearly the talent deficit so many here wanna claim to excuse Mangini.
The Chiefs went into this year thought to be weak just about everywhere but RB. I lived there for 17 years and I have scads of super-fan friends who said the team was a mess. Now they're 10-5.
It's not the Browns. It's reality in the NFL.
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Exactly what I've been saying John. The revolving door has got to stop sometime, and I hope it's now. We're in year two of a total rebuild, and because they're aren't (to some folks here's minds) instant results let's blow it up again and start over.
Some folks might not like Mangini's style- but it will win games- IF you don't make killing mistakes. The Browns were on their way until Massaquoi got stripped, and Colt threw the pick. B-more goes on a long drive, tires out an undermanned defense and the rest is history.
Problem is, it's not Holmgren's style and Holmgren is the boss. The only way Walrus keeps rolling without his guys and his systems is if the Browns are winning. It looks like we'll go from 5-11 to 5-11. The Chiefs went from winning 10 games in three years to probably winning 11 in 2010. The Rams went from 1-15 to probably 8-8 and a division championship.
That's the league we play in... not one where 4-12 to 5-11 to 5-11 is considered progress. Worse, the Browns closed really, really badly, not on a four-game winning streak like last year. Nobody made it rough on Holmgren.
This is the Holmgren era, not the Mangini era.
Problem is, it's not Holmgren's style and Holmgren is the boss. The only way Walrus keeps rolling without his guys and his systems is if the Browns are winning. It looks like we'll go from 5-11 to 5-11. The Chiefs went from winning 10 games in three years to probably winning 11 in 2010. The Rams went from 1-15 to probably 8-8 and a division championship.
That's the league we play in... not one where 4-12 to 5-11 to 5-11 is considered progress. Worse, the Browns closed really, really badly, not on a four-game winning streak like last year. Nobody made it rough on Holmgren.
This is the Holmgren era, not the Mangini era.
Yeah Shep look a little closer- the mighty turnaround Chiefs have played one team with a winning record. Shades of Anderceptions "miracle" 10-6. And the Rams aren't much better- they got blown out by 38 by the freaking Detroit Lions. The Browns have played seven of the ten teams with the best records in the NFL (2 of them twice- and beaten the Pats and Saints) so if you want to tell me the Rams and Chiefs would still be sporting those records if they had played the Browns murderers row, dream on. & FWIW, KC needed a pick 6 to beat the Browns.
And I wouldn't be so certain Holmgren is totally married into "his" system, and "his" guys.
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Problem is, it's not Holmgren's style and Holmgren is the boss. The only way Walrus keeps rolling without his guys and his systems is if the Browns are winning. It looks like we'll go from 5-11 to 5-11. The Chiefs went from winning 10 games in three years to probably winning 11 in 2010. The Rams went from 1-15 to probably 8-8 and a division championship.
That's the league we play in... not one where 4-12 to 5-11 to 5-11 is considered progress. Worse, the Browns closed really, really badly, not on a four-game winning streak like last year. Nobody made it rough on Holmgren.
This is the Holmgren era, not the Mangini era.
Yeah Shep look a little closer- the mighty turnaround Chiefs have played one team with a winning record. Shades of Anderceptions "miracle" 10-6. And the Rams aren't much better- they got blown out by 38 by the freaking Detroit Lions. The Browns have played seven of the ten teams with the best records in the NFL (2 of them twice- and beaten the Pats and Saints) so if you want to tell me the Rams and Chiefs would still be sporting those records if they had played the Browns murderers row, dream on. & FWIW, KC needed a pick 6 to beat the Browns.
And I wouldn't be so certain Holmgren is totally married into "his" system, and "his" guys.
Yeah Shep look a little closer- the mighty turnaround Chiefs have played one team with a winning record. Shades of Anderceptions "miracle" 10-6. And the Rams aren't much better- they got blown out by 38 by the freaking Detroit Lions. The Browns have played seven of the ten teams with the best records in the NFL (2 of them twice- and beaten the Pats and Saints) so if you want to tell me the Rams and Chiefs would still be sporting those records if they had played the Browns murderers row, dream on. & FWIW, KC needed a pick 6 to beat the Browns.
And I wouldn't be so certain Holmgren is totally married into "his" system, and "his" guys.
I made this same point 2 weeks ago, don't be surprised if your very good point gets ignored.
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Problem is, it's not Holmgren's style and Holmgren is the boss. The only way Walrus keeps rolling without his guys and his systems is if the Browns are winning. It looks like we'll go from 5-11 to 5-11. The Chiefs went from winning 10 games in three years to probably winning 11 in 2010. The Rams went from 1-15 to probably 8-8 and a division championship.
That's the league we play in... not one where 4-12 to 5-11 to 5-11 is considered progress. Worse, the Browns closed really, really badly, not on a four-game winning streak like last year. Nobody made it rough on Holmgren.
This is the Holmgren era, not the Mangini era.
Yeah Shep look a little closer- the mighty turnaround Chiefs have played one team with a winning record. Shades of Anderceptions "miracle" 10-6. And the Rams aren't much better- they got blown out by 38 by the freaking Detroit Lions. The Browns have played seven of the ten teams with the best records in the NFL (2 of them twice- and beaten the Pats and Saints) so if you want to tell me the Rams and Chiefs would still be sporting those records if they had played the Browns murderers row, dream on. & FWIW, KC needed a pick 6 to beat the Browns.
And I wouldn't be so certain Holmgren is totally married into "his" system, and "his" guys.
Yeah Shep look a little closer- the mighty turnaround Chiefs have played one team with a winning record. Shades of Anderceptions "miracle" 10-6. And the Rams aren't much better- they got blown out by 38 by the freaking Detroit Lions. The Browns have played seven of the ten teams with the best records in the NFL (2 of them twice- and beaten the Pats and Saints) so if you want to tell me the Rams and Chiefs would still be sporting those records if they had played the Browns murderers row, dream on. & FWIW, KC needed a pick 6 to beat the Browns.
And I wouldn't be so certain Holmgren is totally married into "his" system, and "his" guys.
He's a lifetime WCO guy. I have no testicles left to bet (meaning I should know better), but if I did, I'd bet on two things: Mangini is gone and we're running a WCO with McCoy next year. Holmgren won't fail in Cleveland with somebody else's systems. He bleeds WCO.
I get the variables, injuries and schedule. But in the end, nobody gives a shit about excuses, even valid ones. The Browns once again had one of the worst offenses in the NFL, something a Walsh disciple like Holmgren will not just live with.
From where I sit: Holmgren, WCO, McCoy, A.J. Green or Julio Jones. Other high level additions (draft and f/a): RT, DE, and LB. Four positions, two FA and the top two picks.
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It's not the Browns... it's the NFL. If you follow up 5-11 with 5-11 and a very uninspired last several games, you're either fired or damn lucky, period. It's a fact.
But this situation is unusual because this is the Holmgren era in Cleveland, not the Mangini era. I'd guess that 9 of 10 "experts" were stunned that Holmgren didn't bring in his own people and his own systems, which would be totally understandable. Now he will... and should.
It's not much in the way of starting over if Holmgren moves to the sideline and Haskell becomes OC... and let's be brutally honest: Mangini and Daboll are NOT Holmgren and Haskell. They've accomplished nothing in this league. Holmgren has been to THREE Super Bowls and won one. Few coaches can match that.
The Rams and Chiefs weren't thought to be exactly talent-laden... but both are gonna be in the playoffs after several dismal years. The Browns have lots of good players -- Thomas, Steinbach, Mack, Watson, Vickers, Hillis, McCoy, Rubin, Rogers, Gocong, Benard, Fujita, Brown, Haden, Ward, Cribbs, and Dawson are all very, VERY good football players. Yes, we have a gaping hole at WR and need help at RT. Sure, we need another LB and a DE. But that's not nearly the talent deficit so many here wanna claim to excuse Mangini.
The Chiefs went into this year thought to be weak just about everywhere but RB. I lived there for 17 years and I have scads of super-fan friends who said the team was a mess. Now they're 10-5.
It's not the Browns. It's reality in the NFL.
It's not the Browns... it's the NFL. If you follow up 5-11 with 5-11 and a very uninspired last several games, you're either fired or damn lucky, period. It's a fact.
But this situation is unusual because this is the Holmgren era in Cleveland, not the Mangini era. I'd guess that 9 of 10 "experts" were stunned that Holmgren didn't bring in his own people and his own systems, which would be totally understandable. Now he will... and should.
It's not much in the way of starting over if Holmgren moves to the sideline and Haskell becomes OC... and let's be brutally honest: Mangini and Daboll are NOT Holmgren and Haskell. They've accomplished nothing in this league. Holmgren has been to THREE Super Bowls and won one. Few coaches can match that.
The Rams and Chiefs weren't thought to be exactly talent-laden... but both are gonna be in the playoffs after several dismal years. The Browns have lots of good players -- Thomas, Steinbach, Mack, Watson, Vickers, Hillis, McCoy, Rubin, Rogers, Gocong, Benard, Fujita, Brown, Haden, Ward, Cribbs, and Dawson are all very, VERY good football players. Yes, we have a gaping hole at WR and need help at RT. Sure, we need another LB and a DE. But that's not nearly the talent deficit so many here wanna claim to excuse Mangini.
The Chiefs went into this year thought to be weak just about everywhere but RB. I lived there for 17 years and I have scads of super-fan friends who said the team was a mess. Now they're 10-5.
It's not the Browns. It's reality in the NFL.
I have come to beleive we may have some of the dumbest fans in the NFL. They say New York fans are the smartest and except for a few of the Browns fans who actually get it, the rest aren't very smart..
5 ans 11 is 5 and 11 anyway you draw it up.. AND for those tools who say were listening to the media or ESPN, sorry wrong! I dont need ESPN to tell me 5 and 11 is a losing season..
Mangini is an over glorified ball boy! He is not a genious and has not evolved from New York. We have enough talent to win. No not a play off team but not a 5-11 team either.
It's like this, if you were dating a girl for 2 years and new she wasnt the one, would you keep on dating her for stability? Probably some of you fools would probably marry her!
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It's not the Browns... it's the NFL. If you follow up 5-11 with 5-11 and a very uninspired last several games, you're either fired or damn lucky, period. It's a fact.
But this situation is unusual because this is the Holmgren era in Cleveland, not the Mangini era. I'd guess that 9 of 10 "experts" were stunned that Holmgren didn't bring in his own people and his own systems, which would be totally understandable. Now he will... and should.
It's not much in the way of starting over if Holmgren moves to the sideline and Haskell becomes OC... and let's be brutally honest: Mangini and Daboll are NOT Holmgren and Haskell. They've accomplished nothing in this league. Holmgren has been to THREE Super Bowls and won one. Few coaches can match that.
The Rams and Chiefs weren't thought to be exactly talent-laden... but both are gonna be in the playoffs after several dismal years. The Browns have lots of good players -- Thomas, Steinbach, Mack, Watson, Vickers, Hillis, McCoy, Rubin, Rogers, Gocong, Benard, Fujita, Brown, Haden, Ward, Cribbs, and Dawson are all very, VERY good football players. Yes, we have a gaping hole at WR and need help at RT. Sure, we need another LB and a DE. But that's not nearly the talent deficit so many here wanna claim to excuse Mangini.
The Chiefs went into this year thought to be weak just about everywhere but RB. I lived there for 17 years and I have scads of super-fan friends who said the team was a mess. Now they're 10-5.
It's not the Browns. It's reality in the NFL.
I have come to beleive we may have some of the dumbest fans in the NFL. They say New York fans are the smartest and except for a few of the Browns fans who actually get it, the rest aren't very smart..
5 ans 11 is 5 and 11 anyway you draw it up.. AND for those tools who say were listening to the media or ESPN, sorry wrong! I dont need ESPN to tell me 5 and 11 is a losing season..
Mangini is an over glorified ball boy! He is not a genious and has not evolved from New York. We have enough talent to win. No not a play off team but not a 5-11 team either.
It's like this, if you were dating a girl for 2 years and new she wasnt the one, would you keep on dating her for stability? Probably some of you fools would probably marry her!
I have come to beleive we may have some of the dumbest fans in the NFL. They say New York fans are the smartest and except for a few of the Browns fans who actually get it, the rest aren't very smart..
5 ans 11 is 5 and 11 anyway you draw it up.. AND for those tools who say were listening to the media or ESPN, sorry wrong! I dont need ESPN to tell me 5 and 11 is a losing season..
Mangini is an over glorified ball boy! He is not a genious and has not evolved from New York. We have enough talent to win. No not a play off team but not a 5-11 team either.
It's like this, if you were dating a girl for 2 years and new she wasnt the one, would you keep on dating her for stability? Probably some of you fools would probably marry her!
I am beginning to think you are 12 years old.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
I have come to beleive we may have some of the dumbest fans in the NFL. They say New York fans are the smartest and except for a few of the Browns fans who actually get it, the rest aren't very smart..
5 ans 11 is 5 and 11 anyway you draw it up.. AND for those tools who say were listening to the media or ESPN, sorry wrong! I dont need ESPN to tell me 5 and 11 is a losing season..
Mangini is an over glorified ball boy! He is not a genious and has not evolved from New York. We have enough talent to win. No not a play off team but not a 5-11 team either.
It's like this, if you were dating a girl for 2 years and new she wasnt the one, would you keep on dating her for stability? Probably some of you fools would probably marry her!
I am beginning to think you are 12 years old.
I am beginning to think you are 12 years old.
I am begining to think you have demensia!
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It's not the Browns... it's the NFL. If you follow up 5-11 with 5-11 and a very uninspired last several games, you're either fired or damn lucky, period. It's a fact.
But this situation is unusual because this is the Holmgren era in Cleveland, not the Mangini era. I'd guess that 9 of 10 "experts" were stunned that Holmgren didn't bring in his own people and his own systems, which would be totally understandable. Now he will... and should.
It's not much in the way of starting over if Holmgren moves to the sideline and Haskell becomes OC... and let's be brutally honest: Mangini and Daboll are NOT Holmgren and Haskell. They've accomplished nothing in this league. Holmgren has been to THREE Super Bowls and won one. Few coaches can match that.
The Rams and Chiefs weren't thought to be exactly talent-laden... but both are gonna be in the playoffs after several dismal years. The Browns have lots of good players -- Thomas, Steinbach, Mack, Watson, Vickers, Hillis, McCoy, Rubin, Rogers, Gocong, Benard, Fujita, Brown, Haden, Ward, Cribbs, and Dawson are all very, VERY good football players. Yes, we have a gaping hole at WR and need help at RT. Sure, we need another LB and a DE. But that's not nearly the talent deficit so many here wanna claim to excuse Mangini.
The Chiefs went into this year thought to be weak just about everywhere but RB. I lived there for 17 years and I have scads of super-fan friends who said the team was a mess. Now they're 10-5.
It's not the Browns. It's reality in the NFL.
I have come to beleive we may have some of the dumbest fans in the NFL. They say New York fans are the smartest and except for a few of the Browns fans who actually get it, the rest aren't very smart..
5 ans 11 is 5 and 11 anyway you draw it up.. AND for those tools who say were listening to the media or ESPN, sorry wrong! I dont need ESPN to tell me 5 and 11 is a losing season..
Mangini is an over glorified ball boy! He is not a genious and has not evolved from New York. We have enough talent to win. No not a play off team but not a 5-11 team either.
It's like this, if you were dating a girl for 2 years and new she wasnt the one, would you keep on dating her for stability? Probably some of you fools would probably marry her!
It's like this, if you were dating a girl for 2 years and new she wasnt the one, would you keep on dating her for stability? Probably some of you fools would probably marry her!
So being a fan is like marriage ?
Well I ain't buying that . Marriage and stability have run afoul in my life . But I am still a Browns fan . I don't need some pants pisser like you to explain it for me .
What a putz
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It's like this, if you were dating a girl for 2 years and new she wasnt the one, would you keep on dating her for stability? Probably some of you fools would probably marry her!
So being a fan is like marriage ?
Well I ain't buying that . Marriage and stability have run afoul in my life . But I am still a Browns fan . I don't need some pants pisser like you to explain it for me .
What a putz
So being a fan is like marriage ?
Well I ain't buying that . Marriage and stability have run afoul in my life . But I am still a Browns fan . I don't need some pants pisser like you to explain it for me .
What a putz
Maybe I should try drawing it for you in craynon..
"Of course I peed my pants, everyone my age pees their pants. It's the coolest!"
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It's not the Browns... it's the NFL. If you follow up 5-11 with 5-11 and a very uninspired last several games, you're either fired or damn lucky, period. It's a fact.
But this situation is unusual because this is the Holmgren era in Cleveland, not the Mangini era. I'd guess that 9 of 10 "experts" were stunned that Holmgren didn't bring in his own people and his own systems, which would be totally understandable. Now he will... and should.
It's not much in the way of starting over if Holmgren moves to the sideline and Haskell becomes OC... and let's be brutally honest: Mangini and Daboll are NOT Holmgren and Haskell. They've accomplished nothing in this league. Holmgren has been to THREE Super Bowls and won one. Few coaches can match that.
The Rams and Chiefs weren't thought to be exactly talent-laden... but both are gonna be in the playoffs after several dismal years. The Browns have lots of good players -- Thomas, Steinbach, Mack, Watson, Vickers, Hillis, McCoy, Rubin, Rogers, Gocong, Benard, Fujita, Brown, Haden, Ward, Cribbs, and Dawson are all very, VERY good football players. Yes, we have a gaping hole at WR and need help at RT. Sure, we need another LB and a DE. But that's not nearly the talent deficit so many here wanna claim to excuse Mangini.
The Chiefs went into this year thought to be weak just about everywhere but RB. I lived there for 17 years and I have scads of super-fan friends who said the team was a mess. Now they're 10-5.
It's not the Browns. It's reality in the NFL.
I have come to beleive we may have some of the dumbest fans in the NFL. They say New York fans are the smartest and except for a few of the Browns fans who actually get it, the rest aren't very smart..
5 ans 11 is 5 and 11 anyway you draw it up.. AND for those tools who say were listening to the media or ESPN, sorry wrong! I dont need ESPN to tell me 5 and 11 is a losing season..
Mangini is an over glorified ball boy! He is not a genious and has not evolved from New York. We have enough talent to win. No not a play off team but not a 5-11 team either.
It's like this, if you were dating a girl for 2 years and new she wasnt the one, would you keep on dating her for stability? Probably some of you fools would probably marry her!
I have come to beleive we may have some of the dumbest fans in the NFL. They say New York fans are the smartest and except for a few of the Browns fans who actually get it, the rest aren't very smart..
I literally just fell out of my chair laughing... "They" must be the N.Y. media.. You need to get outside your N.Y. bubble...
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I have come to beleive we may have some of the dumbest fans in the NFL. They say New York fans are the smartest and except for a few of the Browns fans who actually get it, the rest aren't very smart..
5 ans 11 is 5 and 11 anyway you draw it up.. AND for those tools who say were listening to the media or ESPN, sorry wrong! I dont need ESPN to tell me 5 and 11 is a losing season..
Mangini is an over glorified ball boy! He is not a genious and has not evolved from New York. We have enough talent to win. No not a play off team but not a 5-11 team either.
It's like this, if you were dating a girl for 2 years and new she wasnt the one, would you keep on dating her for stability? Probably some of you fools would probably marry her!
I am beginning to think you are 12 years old.
I am beginning to think you are 12 years old.
Its not him, Gruden and son called him, told him to post that.......
Either way, yes, I agree, I am beginning to think the same thing about Browns fans. Constant changes every 2-3 years....SB or bust.......must be from OH to be worthy of playing for the Browns...honestly, I'm surprised i havent seen a post hoping Pryor declairs so we can draft him first round to replace Colt and his "week arm." Agreed, some Browns fans need commited......
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some of you seem to be forgetting that even keeping mangini when holmgren took over was a big suprise. not many gms and presidents keep a coach they didn't pick. i liked mangini, but lets face it, hes made some bad decisions, most notably keeping dabol going into this year, as well as some poor clock management.
odds are he'll be let go after this season, and seeing as how the other year gruden was practically auditioning for the job that one game, and the fact that hes trained up by holmgren, it's likely he'll be in talks for the job
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some of you seem to be forgetting that even keeping mangini when holmgren took over was a big suprise. not many gms and presidents keep a coach they didn't pick. i liked mangini, but lets face it, hes made some bad decisions, most notably keeping dabol going into this year, as well as some poor clock management.
odds are he'll be let go after this season, and seeing as how the other year gruden was practically auditioning for the job that one game, and the fact that hes trained up by holmgren, it's likely he'll be in talks for the job
some of you seem to be forgetting that even keeping mangini when holmgren took over was a big suprise. not many gms and presidents keep a coach they didn't pick. i liked mangini, but lets face it, hes made some bad decisions, most notably keeping dabol going into this year, as well as some poor clock management.
odds are he'll be let go after this season, and seeing as how the other year gruden was practically auditioning for the job that one game, and the fact that hes trained up by holmgren, it's likely he'll be in talks for the job
A suprise to who exactly? ESPN and other forms of media thats who. I was not surprised. That said, I won't be surprised if Mangini is fired this year- but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it...
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I really think some of you have to be friends or relatives of Mangini. That is the only way to understand your loyalty..
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Chill out folks we stank for ten years and Sewage made the stank unstinkable..............
it takes a lot of work to remake a team that HAD NOTHING NOTHING and that is what Savage left
Mangini is a good coach and focuses on defense.................Holmgren was a good coach and he focused on OFFENSE
SINCE OFFENSE wins championships and Holmgren gets that(btw he is the boss) and most NFL fans drinlking the cool aid don't get it
My guess is we hire a guy a that is Offensive Minded and let Mangini go
And that is what it is ....................
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