Bye Bye Mangini
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Sadly, another football season goes bye bye -- and Sadly, we are still talking about the same old same old
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Good post, Bringbackbrownie, we basically agree
First Mangini inherited the crap Sewage left him and did admrably to make it competitive
true..
we agree
But staying in games and losing is not winning that's what happens when you play defensive football
no thats what happens when you don't have enough talent and you are still in the rebuilding process...
my statement is true and so is yours
Holmgren knows offensive football wins championships
He knows that a team needs talent to win championships.. you don't need the best offense in the league, but 30th in offense aint gonna cut it...
we agree on talent and offensive talent is most important to win championships in the NFL 2010
my guess is he will create an offensive team to just that..............with a coach who thinks likewise.........
He could no doubt hire a new coach that specializes in offense but that doesn't mean that he will ignore the defense. this isn't college football...
We violently agree. I never said he will ignore defense or that a crappy defense is acceptable. Winning coaches know a good defense is required but a really good offense is required.
and Heckert is already onboard
fair enough
again we agree
Seems to me like we are on the same basic page all around. And that is why my gut tells me Holmgren will have a new coach next year
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
As for the 4-3 yes bring it on we have done nothing but lose with the 3-4 and our line is old and needs rebuilt anyways, rubin can rock in a 4-3...
No. Rubin isn't a pass rusher, he is used to plug up holes... We need a 3-4 to compete in the AFC North. We need a solid pass rusher and more depth up front- but we are on our way...
No. Rubin isn't a pass rusher, he is used to plug up holes... We need a 3-4 to compete in the AFC North. We need a solid pass rusher and more depth up front- but we are on our way...
The 3-4 is predicated on four outstanding LB's who are complete players and three DL's who can hold the line of scrimmage. The Browns did not have that when they switched and still do not. It was an ill advised switch with the then and current personnel. I think the 3-4 is an overall better D than the 4-3 but the personnel should dictate which you play. Belichick has used both mostly 3-4 but 4-3 when his personnel suited it better. Good coaches adapt game plans and schemes to their people and rebuild with people that fit best in their preferred game strategy.
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
I really think some of you have to be friends or relatives of Mangini. That is the only way to understand your loyalty..
"I am beginning to think you have demensia!"
It's dementia, FWIW. and when I have to call out the spelling police, that's about as low as I've ever sunk. Dr. Hoorta thinks you have an obsessive-compulsive disorder in regards to Gruden- or you're related to him. Gruden isn't even necessarily the best available option from a coaching standpoint- I'd take Fisher or Fox over him- their resumes are equally impressive.
A couple of things to keep in mind (courtesy of AOL) WRREBEL when you consider "celebrity'' coaches, notably Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher: No coach who has won a Super Bowl has ever won a second with a new team (and Mike Shanahan doesn't look like he's about to win anything soon.) Example: Bill Parcells kept going a level lower at each stop -- two Super Bowl wins with the Giants; a Super Bowl loss with the Patriots; an AFC championship game with the Jets; and a one-and-done in the playoffs with the Cowboys.
Loyalty? Bulls**t. I want stability. Mangini happens to have a plan, just doesn't have enough horses yet to pull it off. If Holmgren decides Mangini isn't the answer I'll defer to his (far better) judgment than mine. And trust me I won't shed a tear if Eric walks the plank. I will say this- if Mangini (assuming he's still here) doesn't produce a significant number of wins say about nine- next year, then I'll be totally in favor of canning him.
What I find really amazing is the short attention span of the Can-gini crowd. There hasn't been a coach in recent (1999) Browns history that's been given such a short leash by a segment of the fanbase. Not Palmer, not Davis, not Crennell- you mean to tell me in your mind(s) EMs worse than any of those? . The NY anti-Mangini bias got picked up by ESPN, then Grossi & company, and then the lapdogs that are burned out and want instant gratification.
MorningGlory for coach? I'd have to shoot myself.
"I am beginning to think you have demensia!"
It's dementia, FWIW. and when I have to call out the spelling police, that's about as low as I've ever sunk. Dr. Hoorta thinks you have an obsessive-compulsive disorder in regards to Gruden- or you're related to him. Gruden isn't even necessarily the best available option from a coaching standpoint- I'd take Fisher or Fox over him- their resumes are equally impressive.
A couple of things to keep in mind (courtesy of AOL) WRREBEL when you consider "celebrity'' coaches, notably Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher: No coach who has won a Super Bowl has ever won a second with a new team (and Mike Shanahan doesn't look like he's about to win anything soon.) Example: Bill Parcells kept going a level lower at each stop -- two Super Bowl wins with the Giants; a Super Bowl loss with the Patriots; an AFC championship game with the Jets; and a one-and-done in the playoffs with the Cowboys.
Loyalty? Bulls**t. I want stability. Mangini happens to have a plan, just doesn't have enough horses yet to pull it off. If Holmgren decides Mangini isn't the answer I'll defer to his (far better) judgment than mine. And trust me I won't shed a tear if Eric walks the plank. I will say this- if Mangini (assuming he's still here) doesn't produce a significant number of wins say about nine- next year, then I'll be totally in favor of canning him.
What I find really amazing is the short attention span of the Can-gini crowd. There hasn't been a coach in recent (1999) Browns history that's been given such a short leash by a segment of the fanbase. Not Palmer, not Davis, not Crennell- you mean to tell me in your mind(s) EMs worse than any of those? . The NY anti-Mangini bias got picked up by ESPN, then Grossi & company, and then the lapdogs that are burned out and want instant gratification.
MorningGlory for coach? I'd have to shoot myself.
Just to follow up on the MASSIVELY overratd Parcells he HAS NEVER won a playoff without Bill Belichick on his staff
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Zombo said:
So? Belichick never won a SB without Mangini on his staff...Zombo
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All you have to do is go back and look at ANY Browns game or games from before Mangini got here to see that the guy is rebuilding this the right way. No HC is right 100 percent of the time, the difference is, most teams have the talent to overcome "bad calls"; we don't. He should get one more year with better talent. If he goes 1-5, then fire him. But I for one do not want to see another tear down and rebuild of this team.
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All you have to do is go back and look at ANY Browns game or games from before Mangini got here to see that the guy is rebuilding this the right way. No HC is right 100 percent of the time, the difference is, most teams have the talent to overcome "bad calls"; we don't. He should get one more year with better talent. If he goes 1-5, then fire him. But I for one do not want to see another tear down and rebuild of this team.
All you have to do is go back and look at ANY Browns game or games from before Mangini got here to see that the guy is rebuilding this the right way. No HC is right 100 percent of the time, the difference is, most teams have the talent to overcome "bad calls"; we don't. He should get one more year with better talent. If he goes 1-5, then fire him. But I for one do not want to see another tear down and rebuild of this team.
When are you ppl gonna understand...Its Heckert and Holmgren building the team...not Mandoodoo.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
All you have to do is go back and look at ANY Browns game or games from before Mangini got here to see that the guy is rebuilding this the right way. No HC is right 100 percent of the time, the difference is, most teams have the talent to overcome "bad calls"; we don't. He should get one more year with better talent. If he goes 1-5, then fire him. But I for one do not want to see another tear down and rebuild of this team.
When are you ppl gonna understand...Its Heckert and Holmgren building the team...not Mandoodoo.
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Keep Mangini, and for Pete's sake, get a NEW OC, and give him SOMETHING to work with!
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Making a Vanilla Ice reference? Wow. Now I know you are either a Steeler troll or 12 years old.
Hey! Vanilla Ice lives in my buddy's neighborhood. He's a boss lol
Hey! Vanilla Ice lives in my buddy's neighborhood. He's a boss lol
What trailer park?
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Keep Mangini, and for Pete's sake, get a NEW OC, and give him SOMETHING to work with!
Keep Mangini, and for Pete's sake, get a NEW OC, and give him SOMETHING to work with!
Yeah lets keep Mandoodoo so we can keep playing for FG's...no thanks...I want a coach with a winner mentallity...Mandoodoo doesnt quite get that...If you listened to coach Sam on the point after last night he said it best...Mangini plays for FG's in a touchdown league and he couldnt have been more right.
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All you have to do is go back and look at ANY Browns game or games from before Mangini got here to see that the guy is rebuilding this the right way. No HC is right 100 percent of the time, the difference is, most teams have the talent to overcome "bad calls"; we don't. He should get one more year with better talent. If he goes 1-5, then fire him. But I for one do not want to see another tear down and rebuild of this team.
When are you ppl gonna understand...Its Heckert and Holmgren building the team...not Mandoodoo.
When are you ppl gonna understand...Its Heckert and Holmgren building the team...not Mandoodoo.
Mangini should get a ton of credit (and respect) for cleaning house and setting the table for Holmgren & Heckert. All coaches before him went for the quick fix, kept things running poorly as usual and tweaked. Mangini cleaned the locker room up with wholesale changes, ousted the pre-Madonna's and high salaries and paved the way for Heckert & Holmgren to come in and build on the foundation.
Mangini did the heavy lifting so far, give the guy a chance. I think he derserves it.
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Mangini will certainly be gone..
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Mangini will certainly be gone..
Mangini will certainly be gone..
OOOooohhhhh ... not the big internet 'epetition'. I bet Holmgren has just been waiting for this suportive online document in order to have the balls to make this move.
(At the top of the page it reads, "2 people signed the petition since October 30, 2009")
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Mangini will certainly be gone..
Mangini will certainly be gone..
Sweet 2 down, 3 to go.
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Mangini will certainly be gone..
OOOooohhhhh ... not the big internet 'epetition'. I bet Holmgren has just been waiting for this suportive online document in order to have the balls to make this move.
(At the top of the page it reads, "2 people signed the petition since October 30, 2009")
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Mangini will certainly be gone..
Mangini will certainly be gone..
i like the note at the top: 2 people have signed this petition since october 2009. big impact!
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Mangini will certainly be gone..
i like the note at the top: 2 people have signed this petition since october 2009. big impact!
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When are you ppl gonna understand...Its Heckert and Holmgren building the team...not Mandoodoo.
Mangini should get a ton of credit (and respect) for cleaning house and setting the table for Holmgren & Heckert. All coaches before him went for the quick fix, kept things running poorly as usual and tweaked. Mangini cleaned the locker room up with wholesale changes, ousted the pre-Madonna's and high salaries and paved the way for Heckert & Holmgren to come in and build on the foundation.
Mangini did the heavy lifting so far, give the guy a chance. I think he derserves it.
Mangini should get a ton of credit (and respect) for cleaning house and setting the table for Holmgren & Heckert. All coaches before him went for the quick fix, kept things running poorly as usual and tweaked. Mangini cleaned the locker room up with wholesale changes, ousted the pre-Madonna's and high salaries and paved the way for Heckert & Holmgren to come in and build on the foundation.
Mangini did the heavy lifting so far, give the guy a chance. I think he derserves it.
I cant give someone a chance that consistently puts the team in postition to lose...Ive seen enough.
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Does anyone know if the 49ers would have to compensate us?
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/55520...Francisco_49ers
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