Bye Bye Mangini
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Is that a list of things that have changed in porn or a list of things that give you wood for Gruden? Its hard to tell.
http://thechive.com/2009/01/08/gay-bob-doll-8-photos/
Just out of curiousity, how many outfits did you order?
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Zombo said:
So? Belichick never won a SB without Mangini on his staff...Zombo
As usual Zombo you do great with nonsense..................Parcells won his last Super going on twenty years ago.....and not a playoff game since without Belichick..............and yep won squat since without Belichick.........and Belichick won three super bowls this decade and a lot of playoff games with and without Mangini
You win dumbidioicy rules
and Belichick won three super bowls this decade and a lot of playoff games with and without Mangini
You win dumbidioicy rules
Your statement is true but by that logic we should also consider that Belichick hasn't won a Super Bowl since Mangini left. Mangini was part of all three.
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Just pathetic, conservative play calling. Should of went for it down there! Nothing to lose and kicks the FG!
This team has looked pathetic the last 2 weeks against not one 2 win team, but two and there is no excuse for it! Bungles hadn't won since Sept.! Just freakin sad!
Just pathetic, conservative play calling. Should of went for it down there! Nothing to lose and kicks the FG!
This team has looked pathetic the last 2 weeks against not one 2 win team, but two and there is no excuse for it! Bungles hadn't won since Sept.! Just freakin sad!
I'm with you dawg08. A team that can knock off the world champs (at their house), knock off Brady and the Pats and then play two of the worst teams in the NF fu*k'n L and fall flat on their faces. This coach needs to get back to coaching high school. His time here will just be a footnote of some of the worst coaches in Browns history.
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Has anyone ever won a Superbowl without Mangini? Just asking because he sounds soooo freakin' awesome.
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Now that is interesting. I had no idea that Landry's record was so awful the first five years. They'd never allow that now, he would have been selling insurance or something later instead of going to Super Bowls. Though you only show the first three years, Noll's teams showed steady improvement, never looked back or significantly regressed.
I hope Mangini gets the chance to finish what he has started. Three and out repeatedly is bad for head coaches but seems to be the way things are done. I think if a coach knows he has a short time to get it done he does things differently that if he can build for the long term.
We live in a whole different era, as some one has already pointed out. You can not compare those days to now.. Back then, there wasnt as good as scouting, or college athletes playing football.
Its like comparing Porn back then to porn now
We live in a whole different era, as some one has already pointed out. You can not compare those days to now.. Back then, there wasnt as good as scouting, or college athletes playing football.
Its like comparing Porn back then to porn now
Wonder if Santonio is related to John C? One had a long one, the other IS one.
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Good post, Bringbackbrownie, we basically agree First Mangini inherited the crap Sewage left him and did admrably to make it competitive
true..
we agree
But staying in games and losing is not winning that's what happens when you play defensive football
no thats what happens when you don't have enough talent and you are still in the rebuilding process...
my statement is true and so is yours
Holmgren knows offensive football wins championships
He knows that a team needs talent to win championships.. you don't need the best offense in the league, but 30th in offense aint gonna cut it...
we agree on talent and offensive talent is most important to win championships in the NFL 2010
my guess is he will create an offensive team to just that..............with a coach who thinks likewise.........
He could no doubt hire a new coach that specializes in offense but that doesn't mean that he will ignore the defense. this isn't college football...
We violently agree. I never said he will ignore defense or that a crappy defense is acceptable. Winning coaches know a good defense is required but a really good offense is required.
and Heckert is already onboard
fair enough
again we agree
Seems to me like we are on the same basic page all around. And that is why my gut tells me Holmgren will have a new coach next year
Since you love the Stoolers so much then explain how they won the SB with an average at best offense. Your crazy if you don't think the Stoolers won purely on defense.
Since you love the Stoolers so much then explain how they won the SB with an average at best offense. Your crazy if you don't think the Stoolers won purely on defense.
The Steelers do not have an average offense. They play the game in a strategy that takes advantage of one of the best defenses in football. Thus not a lot of high scoring games but since Ben arrived it has defensive breakdowns that caused most of their losses.
The never won the Bowl with all those dominant teams until Ben showed up. They won with Ben and Bettis and Ward. Then they won with Ben and Ward and Holmes. I forgot that the defense drove the ball 92 yards in the last two minutes to beat Arizona.
Further the winning points average in the Super Bowl is 31. That says the whatever defense got teams to the Super Bowl got snockered by GREAT Offense. And great offense requires a franchise QB. It is all documented. The smart folks like Belichick understand.
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The more realistic news on the Niners (it'll be Harbaugh):
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ers-candidates/
The more realistic news on the Niners (it'll be Harbaugh):
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ers-candidates/
Eddie is getting into the decision making in the background and advising Jed. Maybe, I will have to ask Candy to come to the owners box for a game since I have had a standing invitation from her for a number of years that happened before Eddie got in trouble
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Since you love the Stoolers so much then explain how they won the SB with an average at best offense. Your crazy if you don't think the Stoolers won purely on defense.
The Steelers do not have an average offense. They play the game in a strategy that takes advantage of one of the best defenses in football. Thus not a lot of high scoring games but since Ben arrived it has defensive breakdowns that caused most of their losses.
The never won the Bowl with all those dominant teams until Ben showed up. They won with Ben and Bettis and Ward. Then they won with Ben and Ward and Holmes. I forgot that the defense drove the ball 92 yards in the last two minutes to beat Arizona.
Further the winning points average in the Super Bowl is 31. That says the whatever defense got teams to the Super Bowl got snockered by GREAT Offense. And great offense requires a franchise QB. It is all documented. The smart folks like Belichick understand.
The Steelers do not have an average offense. They play the game in a strategy that takes advantage of one of the best defenses in football. Thus not a lot of high scoring games but since Ben arrived it has defensive breakdowns that caused most of their losses.
This is what I disagree with.. To win a Super Bowl, a team must have a good offense and a good defense, with few exceptions. The steelers offense is good, but their defense is great. Saying that their offense is more talented than their defense is rediculous...
The never won the Bowl with all those dominant teams until Ben showed up. They won with Ben and Bettis and Ward. Then they won with Ben and Ward and Holmes. I forgot that the defense drove the ball 92 yards in the last two minutes to beat Arizona.
Again, the steelers never won the super bowl with good defenses before because their offense was NOT good.. they were just average. So with your logic, the defense would only be responsible for winning games if the game ended on a pick 6?!! I could just as easily argue that Super Bowl was won because Harrison intercepted Warner to end the second half.. It was a point swing of 10-14 pts...
Further the winning points average in the Super Bowl is 31. That says the whatever defense got teams to the Super Bowl got snockered by GREAT Offense. And great offense requires a franchise QB. It is all documented. The smart folks like Belichick understand.
My point is that no team wins a Super Bowl without a great defense. Lets look at the past 10 Super Bowls:
2001: Trent Dilfer! and the Ravens won the super bowl. The defense had 4 interceptions and accounted for 14 of the points= defense.
2002: Patriots win with 2 INTs and a pick 6= defense
2003: Tampa Bay wins and had 5 INTs, 3 pick 6s (now ask how they got 48 points-all offense right?)= defense
2004: you could agree pro offense in this one, the team with the ball last was going to win on this day. although kasay putting the kickoff out of bounds killed the panthers in this one= offense.
2005: Patriots win. 3 INTS the difference in a close game= defense.
2006: Pitt wins. Held seattle to 10 pts despits losing the turnover battle (and help from the zebras)= defense (refs included)
2007: Colts win. 2 INTS and a pick 6. Biggest difference- BOB SANDERS! He was actually healthy this year. How many Super Bowls has Manning won without him?= defense.
2008: Giants win a close one. They harrassed Tom Brady and had 5 sacks. Held the patriots offense to only 14 points despite being huge underdogs.= defense.
2009: Steelers win. I stated this earlier, the turning pt was Harrison's big pick 6 to end the half. The steelers defense had a terrible 4th quarter but stopped Warner when it mattered most (last 2 minutes).= defense.
2010: Saints win. pick 6 in the 4th quarter sealed the game. The colts again hurt by not having Bob Sanders..= defense
9-1 in favor of defense. I will not argue that a franchise quarterback is damn near essential, but defense ultimately wins championships
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Mangini Is STAYING!
My neighbor just told me!
That's about as reliable a "source" as most of the posts I've seen on here!
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One of the talking radio heads today said that several coaches who could be in trouble might survive this year because of the player union contract situation. His rational was that teams will not pay two coaches during a year they might not even field a team. I think this does make sense. Do you think it would influence lerner/holmgren after lerner has already paid off a bunch of money after firing people?
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It could. I think in the Browns case a long lockout might help Mangini. However, Holmgren could always say he's gonna coach and the Browns could save paying out Mangini's contract for next year. That all fits with the Chucky in 2012 other talking heads have stated. I suspect Holmgren and Lerner already know what they're going to do and will work around the lockout, if there is one, whichever way they go.
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junkyard dawg: remind never to get on your bad side!
i mean it's not even a fair fight anymore.
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It could. I think in the Browns case a long lockout might help Mangini. However, Holmgren could always say he's gonna coach and the Browns could save paying out Mangini's contract for next year. That all fits with the Chucky in 2012 other talking heads have stated. I suspect Holmgren and Lerner already know what they're going to do and will work around the lockout, if there is one, whichever way they go.
It could. I think in the Browns case a long lockout might help Mangini. However, Holmgren could always say he's gonna coach and the Browns could save paying out Mangini's contract for next year. That all fits with the Chucky in 2012 other talking heads have stated. I suspect Holmgren and Lerner already know what they're going to do and will work around the lockout, if there is one, whichever way they go.
Absolutely.
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Yeah, they already know what will happen & the Pburgh game will make no difference. I'm sure that whatever the decision may be, it won't include throwing money out the window. What gets me is the damned media saying we'll know Mangini's future next MONDAY! That may happen, but I would be surprised if their decision is announced that soon. If the decision is to keep him on the payroll due to the CB agreement, we might not know for a LONG time.
We'll just have to wait & see.
Mike
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One of the talking radio heads today said that several coaches who could be in trouble might survive this year because of the player union contract situation. His rational was that teams will not pay two coaches during a year they might not even field a team. I think this does make sense. Do you think it would influence lerner/holmgren after lerner has already paid off a bunch of money after firing people?
Do you think it would influence lerner/holmgren after lerner has already paid off a bunch of money after firing people?
yes, besides the contracts he already has in place.
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Yeah, they already know what will happen & the Pburgh game will make no difference. I'm sure that whatever the decision may be, it won't include throwing money out the window. What gets me is the damned media saying we'll know Mangini's future next MONDAY! That may happen, but I would be surprised if their decision is announced that soon. If the decision is to keep him on the payroll due to the CB agreement, we might not know for a LONG time.
We'll just have to wait & see.
Mike
Yeah, they already know what will happen & the Pburgh game will make no difference. I'm sure that whatever the decision may be, it won't include throwing money out the window. What gets me is the damned media saying we'll know Mangini's future next MONDAY! That may happen, but I would be surprised if their decision is announced that soon. If the decision is to keep him on the payroll due to the CB agreement, we might not know for a LONG time.
We'll just have to wait & see.
Mike
Honestly i would be concerned if the decision isnt rendered by monday, whatever their decision there has been plenty of time for holmgren and heckert to evaluate the situation and inform lerner of their decision and if the decision isnt already made than our czar is just another slacker and yet another bad hire by lerner and a waste of my time and hope of ever seeing this team go anywhere but down, however i like others actually think/hope the decision is already made as its not rocket science...
And as far as a lockout is concerned, its not going to happen...
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Mangini's only strategy and plan is to try and convince people he can get it done over the next 10 years 2 years at a time...but he cant because he is a fraud, i understand the rational behind the thinking but i recognize how limited mangini's capabilities are and the weaknesses within his stubborn philosophy, every sunday the guys gameplan represents an open book to his opponents and he is just outsmarted in nearly every aspect of the game, people blame it on talent but 50% comes from a lack of good sensible coaching and bad decisions including a bad and corrupted ingenuous system that bottlenecks potential hot/spark players from seeing the field until they are needed due to injury and then they arent prepared.....
Keep the weeni fire the weeni i dont care anymore browns football isnt what it use to be even though it never was great at least it was respectable and was ran in a professional manner its just a bad national joke and a never ending fans nightmare now..
Keeping or firing the weeni will both bring great risk to holmgrens integrity and reputation, if we retain the weeni and he gets roasted a 3rd year fans are going to start wanting to eat some roasted feeble minded west coast walrus meat, however the same risk applies to bringing a new coach in and failing even worse or better yet coaching himself into a 3-15 season..
Its a big decision but if im holmgren and know how bad mangini is i fire him and coach myself because there is no way holmgren does as poor a job as mangini when it comes to improvising on the field and winning with what you have...
I was a mangini supporter and am a holmgrem supporter but the fact holmgren has done absolutely nothing thusfar on the football end is starting to leave that tainted bad lerner hire taste in my mouth, regardless of which way holmgren goes on mangini if it turns out to be the wrong decision at the end of next year i will be verbally holding lerner responsible and would advise all fans to do so...
We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS! -
Mangini's only strategy and plan is to try and convince people he can get it done over the next 10 years 2 years at a time...but he cant because he is a fraud, i understand the rational behind the thinking but i recognize how limited mangini's capabilities are and the weaknesses within his stubborn philosophy, every sunday the guys gameplan represents an open book to his opponents and he is just outsmarted in nearly every aspect of the game, people blame it on talent but 50% comes from a lack of good sensible coaching and bad decisions including a bad and corrupted ingenuous system that bottlenecks potential hot/spark players from seeing the field until they are needed due to injury and then they arent prepared.....
Keep the weeni fire the weeni i dont care anymore browns football isnt what it use to be even though it never was great at least it was respectable and was ran in a professional manner its just a bad national joke and a never ending fans nightmare now..
Keeping or firing the weeni will both bring great risk to holmgrens integrity and reputation, if we retain the weeni and he gets roasted a 3rd year fans are going to start wanting to eat some roasted feeble minded west coast walrus meat, however the same risk applies to bringing a new coach in and failing even worse or better yet coaching himself into a 3-15 season..
Its a big decision but if im holmgren and know how bad mangini is i fire him and coach myself because there is no way holmgren does as poor a job as mangini when it comes to improvising on the field and winning with what you have...
I was a mangini supporter and am a holmgrem supporter but the fact holmgren has done absolutely nothing thusfar on the football end is starting to leave that tainted bad lerner hire taste in my mouth, regardless of which way holmgren goes on mangini if it turns out to be the wrong decision at the end of next year i will be verbally holding lerner responsible and would advise all fans to do so...
Mangini's only strategy and plan is to try and convince people he can get it done over the next 10 years 2 years at a time...but he cant because he is a fraud, i understand the rational behind the thinking but i recognize how limited mangini's capabilities are and the weaknesses within his stubborn philosophy, every sunday the guys gameplan represents an open book to his opponents and he is just outsmarted in nearly every aspect of the game, people blame it on talent but 50% comes from a lack of good sensible coaching and bad decisions including a bad and corrupted ingenuous system that bottlenecks potential hot/spark players from seeing the field until they are needed due to injury and then they arent prepared.....
Keep the weeni fire the weeni i dont care anymore browns football isnt what it use to be even though it never was great at least it was respectable and was ran in a professional manner its just a bad national joke and a never ending fans nightmare now..
Keeping or firing the weeni will both bring great risk to holmgrens integrity and reputation, if we retain the weeni and he gets roasted a 3rd year fans are going to start wanting to eat some roasted feeble minded west coast walrus meat, however the same risk applies to bringing a new coach in and failing even worse or better yet coaching himself into a 3-15 season..
Its a big decision but if im holmgren and know how bad mangini is i fire him and coach myself because there is no way holmgren does as poor a job as mangini when it comes to improvising on the field and winning with what you have...
I was a mangini supporter and am a holmgrem supporter but the fact holmgren has done absolutely nothing thusfar on the football end is starting to leave that tainted bad lerner hire taste in my mouth, regardless of which way holmgren goes on mangini if it turns out to be the wrong decision at the end of next year i will be verbally holding lerner responsible and would advise all fans to do so...
With that rationale you would probably want a new owner every year too huh? better yet, if we have a losing season, lets cut everyone in the organization top to bottom- owner down to the last reserve player... Super Bowl here we come!!!
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