MORNHINWEG AND KOLB TO CLEVELAND?

miktoxic

@wrrebel said:
Considering the eagles are wanting two first rd picks. This would be the best way to kill our franchise for the next 10 years.

i agree. but who knows what the new (probable) cleveland/philly brain trust will do.

ballpeen

@soju said:
They can go _ _ _ _ off, they aren't ever going to get anything CLOSE to that.

I agree....and this is assuming Mornigweg is the guy.

The very most i could see us possibly be willing to do is get Kolb and the Eagles 1st round pick...#26 or whatever it is for our 1st round pick.

Even then I might feel a bit violated.

1 more season

Toxic is right. I've been hearing for a few years now how Kolb was the Phili man of the future just hasn't happened yet for many reasons. What he made it through 1 half before getting hurt and never made it back as a full time starter.

Considering Colt wasn't supposed to play this past year he did a great job. I think rookies need time to sit and watch before they get there start. Look at Aaron Rogers he sat 3+ years behind Brett before his time game while at the same time Alex Smith became the starter right away after both being drafted in the same year. We've seen how that has turned out.

All that being said, I am defiantly for Colt being the stater in 2011 but at the same time I think Delhomme should still be on the team. NOT necessarily on the field but on the team! His mentoring skill are well known and needed.

If Marty 2.0 becomes the new Browns coach so be it. Maybe a second chance is what will make him a success. Remember Bilichick did'nt become BILICHiCK until his 2nd (technically 3rd) time as a HC.

I think the Browns have no need for Kolb.

miktoxic

man we need too much on this team to start trading away draft picks. holmgren and heckert drafted mccoy under their watch. can't we live with that?

as i said in another thread, what are we gonna draft the same position every year like detroit did with WRs under millen?

Westside Steve

Kolb is Kelly Holcomb.

WSS

miktoxic

@westside-steve said:
Kolb is Kelly Holcomb.
WSS

yikes!!!

Gips

Grabbing marty the mortician and or kevin kolb would be a huge mistake in every sense of the word imho..

But its the FOs call and fully on their shoulders this time round..

Nw220

Yeah i compeltely agree no to Marty Morningwig and no to Kolb as well, whats the situation in Philly anyone ways apperantly they are having trouble locking Vick up into a long contract so why would the deal Kolb before they did that, but yeah i dont want ethier one Colts my guy over Kolb and i wouldnt want Morningwig to coach this team but if we fail with this next time i say look out Holmgrem his job is on the line with this one

peterbell

Good grief.. Marty Morningweig..thats the new savior..Marty Morningweig

You bring in Kolb you might as well trade Colt, Vick cannot get to a Super Bowl

Kolb stays..Vick goes

No Chucky..No Cowher...These guys want stability.. not this revolving circus we deal with every 2 years

Westside Steve

@miktoxic said:
yikes!!!

As in the guy everybody thinks will be a top shelf QB once he's named the starter.

WSS

shepwrite

@soju said:
Can we just give McCoy one freakin year to see how he does without these idiot commentators throwing their two cents around? McCoy was BORN for the WCO, and that is what we're going to run. Kolb could back up though. The last thing we need right now is another QB controversy.

Kolb has accomplished a lot more in this league than McCoy and wouldn't back him up in a million years made up of only Sundays. Toss that psychotic notion out.

That said, it doesn't make much sense. There's every possibility that McCoy will be as good or better than Kolb. Kolb does have more arm and is bigger... but they're very similar QBs in many ways. It would almost be a coin flip on which you start.

Those are two guys who could be very, very good in a WCO. Kolb could end up in SF with Harbaugh.

miktoxic

@westside-steve said:
As in the guy everybody thinks will be a top shelf QB once he's named the starter.
WSS

exactly.

i used to think of this 'game' as the one-on-one player matchups, our guy is better than yours etc. and you'll win everytime. not so.

i think that moreover it's all about the ones who pay these guys. and they could be the best in the business but it's like poker, a couple of bad decisions and you're out the swingin doors. these decisions about players (draft or FA, play or sit) mean everything to the teams and their fans.

if you get the right cards and play them the right way, you're a genius. anything else and you're a loser.

shepwrite

I think Kolb is really good. He had one bumpy game when Vick got hurt, then rebounded with a great one. He's had several excellent games these past two years. I agree with him: He's a starter in this league... in the WCO he knows really well... somewhere. Might be SF. He could end up in Arizona and they might go to a WCO.

Nobody here or in Philadelphia thinks he's worth two first round picks, though. His price was down to a 2nd round pick at one point last year, at least hypothetically, but the Eagles really didn't want to deal him. They're still just a bit iffy on Vick and STILL aren't real psyched about losing Kolb (just read that). Plenty of people in the Eagles offices think Kolb might be starting and winning games long after Vick fever wears off.

I find it tough to believe that Holmgren would give up on McCoy so fast, though. He had two very bumpy winter games, and when Holmgren says "IF McCoy is the guy," I believe him because he seems to say whatever he feels (including about Clausen). He likes some things about McCoy, probably worries about some others (like his arm and durability).

If Shurmur comes in, I'm betting he likes McCoy plenty. If Mornhinweg comes in, who would be even a little surprised if he doesn't pitch Kolb pretty hard?

ballpeen

Bottom line is we aren't going to go after Kolb.

I agree, we aren't looking to lose any picks. We might sign some QB....but they will be FA or the drafted variety.

Nw220

@junkyard-dawg said:
Don't bet on that, Kolb was the apple of Heckerts eye for years now, I doubt it has suddenly subsided.

Yeah thats the only thing that scares me is that maybe Heckert sees something in him and wants to bring him here, but i really do not hope so i mean Colt deserves a full season to prove what hes capable of doing i mean Kolb has just as many starts as Colt does and dosent seem to jump out on him like hes the next great thing, Matt Flynn is supposed to get some attention as well due to his play agasnt the Pats this year i believe

nickers

please no Morhinweg....Weve suffered enough!

shepwrite

After Crennel and Mangini, I'm REALLY ready for an offensive coach who can string a few sentences together. Defensive coaches who seem uncomfortable speaking have kind of worn out their welcome in Cleveland, I think.

shepwrite

I think Kolb goes to SF if Philly lets him go, but Reid doesn't sound interested in doing that. Keep in mind that Kolb led back to back victories over SF and Atlanta this year with these stat lines:

21/31 for 253 yards, 1/0, 103.3

23/29 for 326 yards, 3/1, 133.6

Those are two good defenses and two wins the Eagles needed to make the playoffs. Year before he set some kind of record for consecutive starts to begin a career (over 300 yards in each?).

He's shown he can start and win big games.

ballpeen

@junkyard-dawg said:
Don't bet on that, Kolb was the apple of Heckerts eye for years now, I doubt it has suddenly subsided.

You want to bet a box of donuts??

BendMeOver

Before you get your panties in a tizzy, remember that due to the expiration of the CBA, no team can trade players until the new CBA is signed. Therefore, you don't have to worry about some Kolb trade, likely until after the draft and Philly is unlikely to trade him after the draft. Kolb is a "cheap" backup and Vick's style is prone to injury. A 2012 draft pick won't help the Eagles in 2011, but Kolb may help them.