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Formerly Stone said:
Saturday's game will probably be a close one and definitely a physical one but let's look at a little reality.The Ravens in their last 5 games:
Week 14 against the Texans....they gave up over 500 yards and needed a freak play in overtime to win against a 6-10 team
Week 15 against the Saints.....They beat the Saints in a preview of the Saints collapse
Week 16 against the Browns.....They struggled against the hapless Browns with McCoy throwing three picks!
Week 17 against the Bengals......They gave up over 400 yards and struggled against the hapless Bengals with Palmer throwing two picks!
Last week against the Chiefs......They won in impressive fashion against a pretender who had no idea that "playoff football" is a little different than the regular season.
Ravens fans would say they are peaking, I would say they shot their load last week against a piss poor playoff team simply due to the fact that the Ravens have enough playoff experience to wipe up on a wholly inexperienced team that was not of playoff caliber.
I would say they are peeking.........from the outside!
That being said, we will have to play well Saturday but the Ravens are not the team they were made out to be at the beginning of the season!
OK, so what Steeler team will be showing up? The one that beat Cleveland as they were packing their bags, or the one who were a Steve Johnson pass away from losing to Buffalo. A true football fan would understand that you can never base an upcoming game on the previous week's game. But then again, you're a Steeler fan. You clowns still hang your hats on Terry Bradshaw and the Steel Curtain. Gonna be a good game, but don't base your prediction on what's happened in the past, the NFL just isn't like that....just ask New Orleans.
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Art Model moved his team (the Cleveland Browns) from Cleveland to Baltimore. Then they changed the name, and the city of Cleveland was given another team and allowed to call them the Browns.
The Raves took the Browns drafting position following the move.
The reason this happened is because the Browns moved to Balitmore.
People don't like to accept this, but this is what happened. Also, Lerner was the connection. He brokered the deal.
Sorry. Still a Browns fan. Just understand the truth.
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Art Model moved his team (the Cleveland Browns) from Cleveland to Baltimore. Then they changed the name, and the city of Cleveland was given another team and allowed to call them the Browns.
The Raves took the Browns drafting position following the move.
The reason this happened is because the Browns moved to Balitmore.
People don't like to accept this, but this is what happened. Also, Lerner was the connection. He brokered the deal.
Sorry. Still a Browns fan. Just understand the truth.
The Soldier said:
Art Model moved his team (the Cleveland Browns) from Cleveland to Baltimore. Then they changed the name, and the city of Cleveland was given another team and allowed to call them the Browns.The Raves took the Browns drafting position following the move.
The reason this happened is because the Browns moved to Balitmore.
People don't like to accept this, but this is what happened. Also, Lerner was the connection. He brokered the deal.
Sorry. Still a Browns fan. Just understand the truth.
So as you are saying we got screwed again?
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Formerly Stone said:
I keep reading your posts hoping that the asshaterry will somehow take a back seat to some intelligent discussion, but alas, no such luck!If you found one Steeler fan who hung his hat on Bradshaw and the Steel Curtain you would be looking at a dead Steeler fan. We hang our hat on the best franchise in all of sports, the best winningest team in the NFL since the merger, the current team of the decade....on and on! You simply can't get any more stupid that that statement!
Are you old enough to be playing hooky from school?
Your statement may just be the epitome of stupid. First off, as much as I hate them, I do believe the New York Yankees are the best franchise in all of sports. When your idiot team was wetting itself from 1933-1969, the Yankees were winning championships. Second, I do believe the New England Patriots were the team of the last decade. You remember them, the Patriots? The team that skull-xxxxed you guys in your own building in Week 10. It was nice to see your "rabid fan base" leave Heinz Field looking half empty midway through the third quarter. Good job. Also, I think your calendar may still be stuck on 2008 because we're into a new decade where your teams hasn't won squat.
If you want to engage in actual football conversation, just let me know. But I'll just assume you want to continue to hide behind your insults.
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The Soldier said:
Art Model moved his team (the Cleveland Browns) from Cleveland to Baltimore. Then they changed the name, and the city of Cleveland was given another team and allowed to call them the Browns.The Raves took the Browns drafting position following the move.
The reason this happened is because the Browns moved to Balitmore.
People don't like to accept this, but this is what happened. Also, Lerner was the connection. He brokered the deal.
Sorry. Still a Browns fan. Just understand the truth.
So as you are saying we got screwed again?
So as you are saying we got screwed again?
Maybe. I'm not judging it. Just pointing out what really happened and not the revisionist thing.
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Keep diggin that hole Formerly Stone. Your almost to China.
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i understand you guys squabbling over this game but no offense:
why are you doing it on THE BROWNS BOARD?
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i understand you guys squabbling over this game but no offense:
why are you doing it on THE BROWNS BOARD?
i understand you guys squabbling over this game but no offense:
why are you doing it on THE BROWNS BOARD?
Because I come on the Browns Board to talk football with fellow football fans. Unfortunately, Squealer fans come here as well. I tried to go to one of their boards to talk about the game, but all they wanted to do was disparage Ed Reed and his missing brother.
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The Soldier said:
Maybe. I'm not judging it. Just pointing out what really happened and not the revisionist thing.You're 100% correct. Lerner was Modell's Baltimore liaison. He kept in constant touch with John Moag of the Maryland Stadium Authority.
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Formerly Stone said:
Because you guys are funny!You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fxcked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fxckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
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Formerly Stone said:
Because you guys are funny!You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fxcked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fxckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
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i understand you guys squabbling over this game but no offense:
why are you doing it on THE BROWNS BOARD?
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Art Model moved his team (the Cleveland Browns) from Cleveland to Baltimore. Then they changed the name, and the city of Cleveland was given another team and allowed to call them the Browns.
The Raves took the Browns drafting position following the move.
The reason this happened is because the Browns moved to Balitmore.
People don't like to accept this, but this is what happened. Also, Lerner was the connection. He brokered the deal.
Sorry. Still a Browns fan. Just understand the truth.
The Soldier said:
Art Model moved his team (the Cleveland Browns) from Cleveland to Baltimore. Then they changed the name, and the city of Cleveland was given another team and allowed to call them the Browns.The Raves took the Browns drafting position following the move.
The reason this happened is because the Browns moved to Balitmore.
People don't like to accept this, but this is what happened. Also, Lerner was the connection. He brokered the deal.
Sorry. Still a Browns fan. Just understand the truth.
You need to listen to your own statement. The name of the Cleveland Browns has never changed. A new name for a NEW franchise was given to Baltimore. That being the Ravens.
No other franchise has EVER been allowed to be called the Browns.
The Ravens being given the Browns drafting position was simply a matter of convenience. The Browns were inactive and the Ravens had to be slotted somewhere. That was the most logical spot.
If you don't want to accept and understand this legal, actual and scientific truth, you can then just shove your F**king head up your own F**king ass, like a Dodo bird.
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i want the gipper to be my lawyer
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Formerly Stone said:
I keep reading your posts hoping that the asshaterry will somehow take a back seat to some intelligent discussion, but alas, no such luck!If you found one Steeler fan who hung his hat on Bradshaw and the Steel Curtain you would be looking at a dead Steeler fan. We hang our hat on the best franchise in all of sports, the best winningest team in the NFL since the merger, the current team of the decade....on and on! You simply can't get any more stupid that that statement!
Are you old enough to be playing hooky from school?
Team of the Decade? Of the 00s decade that team is clearly the Patriots. Of the 2010s, that of course totally remains to be seen. We haven't even had a single champion yet this decade.
Please recall the formula I developed for establishing the Team of the Decade which I applied to ever decade since the 1920s:
I awarded 10 points to a team for winning a title (SB or NFL/AFL/AAFC). 6 points for losing the title game (SB/NFL/AFL/AAFC), 3 points for losing a conference title game, 1 point for making the playoffs. On this scale then for the 2000s the score of each NFL team is as follows:
1. Patriots 41 points. Team of the Decade
2. Steelers 28 points.
3. Colts 25 points
4. Eagles 21 points
5. Giants 20 points
6. Ravens 17 points
7. Saints 14 points
7. Buccaneers 14 points
9. Raiders 10 points
9. Panthers 10 points
9. Seahawks 10 points
12. Rams 9 points
13. Bears 8 points
13. Packers 8 points
13. Vikings 8 points
16. Chargers 7 points
16. Jets 7 points
16. Titans 7 points
16. Cardinals 7 points
20. Broncos 6 points
21. Falcons 5 points
22. Cowboys 4 points
23. Dolphins 3 points
24. Jaguars 2 points
24. Bengals 2 points
24. Redskins 2 points
24. Chiefs 2 points
24. 49ers 2 points
29. Browns 1 point
Lions, Bills, Texans 0 points
Teams of prior decades:
1990s: Cowboys
1980s: 49ers
1970s: Steelers
1960s: Packers
1950s: Browns
1940s: Bears
1930s: Packers
1020s: Bears
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The Soldier said:
Art Model moved his team (the Cleveland Browns) from Cleveland to Baltimore. Then they changed the name, and the city of Cleveland was given another team and allowed to call them the Browns.The Raves took the Browns drafting position following the move.
The reason this happened is because the Browns moved to Balitmore.
People don't like to accept this, but this is what happened. Also, Lerner was the connection. He brokered the deal.
Sorry. Still a Browns fan. Just understand the truth.
You need to listen to your own statement. The name of the Cleveland Browns has never changed. A new name for a NEW franchise was given to Baltimore. That being the Ravens.
No other franchise has EVER been allowed to be called the Browns.
The Ravens being given the Browns drafting position was simply a matter of convenience. The Browns were inactive and the Ravens had to be slotted somewhere. That was the most logical spot.
If you don't want to accept and understand this legal, actual and scientific truth, you can then just shove your F**king head up your own F**king ass, like a Dodo bird.
You need to listen to your own statement. The name of the Cleveland Browns has never changed. A new name for a NEW franchise was given to Baltimore. That being the Ravens.
No other franchise has EVER been allowed to be called the Browns.
The Ravens being given the Browns drafting position was simply a matter of convenience. The Browns were inactive and the Ravens had to be slotted somewhere. That was the most logical spot.
If you don't want to accept and understand this legal, actual and scientific truth, you can then just shove your F**king head up your own F**king ass, like a Dodo bird.
Makes NO logical sense whatsoever. If the Ravens were a brand new franchise why wouldn't they get the first draft slot? Wouldn't it be logical for a expansion franchise to get the first draft position.
Since when does a brand new team get "slotted" into another team draft place? I've only seen them get 1 picks. Why didn't the Browns "slot" into another teams draft position when they decided to become "active" again.? They got the same treatment as Carolina, and Jacksonville, and before them Tampa Bay and Seattle.
The NFL based the Ravens draft on the Browns record. Why? Doesn't sound logical to me?
The Browns packed up all their stuff, in moving trucks, and players, ownership, record, uniforms, etc and moved the team to Baltimore. After this was done, some wording changes were made to appease Browns fans. AFTER the team moved, the NFL, in a legal settlement, said Cleveland can have an expansion team, or another team can move to Cleveland.
Sorry bout this real logic. Play with the words all you want. This is the real story.
Lets use you little McDonalds/Burger King example. If McDonalds takes all it's inventory, moves into a Burger King building, sets up everything and serves McDonalds food, it doesn't matter what the sign says, you're eating McDonalds food. Starting another McDonalds in the fist building, doesn't mean the first move didn't happen.
It's not about liking the Browns. It's accepting the FACT. (not legal wording)
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You need to listen to your own statement. The name of the Cleveland Browns has never changed. A new name for a NEW franchise was given to Baltimore. That being the Ravens.
No other franchise has EVER been allowed to be called the Browns.
The Ravens being given the Browns drafting position was simply a matter of convenience. The Browns were inactive and the Ravens had to be slotted somewhere. That was the most logical spot.
If you don't want to accept and understand this legal, actual and scientific truth, you can then just shove your F**king head up your own F**king ass, like a Dodo bird.
Makes NO logical sense whatsoever. If the Ravens were a brand new franchise why wouldn't they get the first draft slot? Wouldn't it be logical for a expansion franchise to get the first draft position.
Since when does a brand new team get "slotted" into another team draft place? I've only seen them get 1 picks. Why didn't the Browns "slot" into another teams draft position when they decided to become "active" again.? They got the same treatment as Carolina, and Jacksonville, and before them Tampa Bay and Seattle.
The NFL based the Ravens draft on the Browns record. Why? Doesn't sound logical to me?
The Browns packed up all their stuff, in moving trucks, and players, ownership, record, uniforms, etc and moved the team to Baltimore. After this was done, some wording changes were made to appease Browns fans. AFTER the team moved, the NFL, in a legal settlement, said Cleveland can have an expansion team, or another team can move to Cleveland.
Sorry bout this real logic. Play with the words all you want. This is the real story.
Lets use you little McDonalds/Burger King example. If McDonalds takes all it's inventory, moves into a Burger King building, sets up everything and serves McDonalds food, it doesn't matter what the sign says, you're eating McDonalds food. Starting another McDonalds in the fist building, doesn't mean the first move didn't happen.
It's not about liking the Browns. It's accepting the FACT. (not legal wording)
The Soldier said:
Makes NO logical sense whatsoever.Who says it has to make logical sense. Lots of things that have happened in history don't make logical sense. It didn't make logical sense to engage in half the wars we have been engaged in, but we fought those wars anyway.
If the Ravens were a brand new franchise why wouldn't they get the first draft slot? Wouldn't it be logical for a expansion franchise to get the first draft position.
Again, logic hasn't got a cabbage fart in hell to do with it. It was part of the settlement agreement.
Since when does a brand new team get "slotted" into another team draft place?
Since when the NFL said they were to be slotted into that other team's draft place, since that team was not going to be active and was not going to be drafting.
I've only seen them get 1 picks. Why didn't the Browns "slot" into another teams draft position when they decided to become "active" again.? They got the same treatment as Carolina, and Jacksonville, and before them Tampa Bay and Seattle.
Yes, they did. So what? They neither required nor asked for your approval when they came up with this plan.
The NFL based the Ravens draft on the Browns record. Why? Doesn't sound logical to me?
Sure, it makes perfect logical sense. The Browns were not going to be playing, the Ravens were. The NFL didn't want a void in that slot so they just stuck the Ravens in there
The Browns packed up all their stuff, in moving trucks,
No, the Browns didn't. There was a court injunction in place preventing Modell from moving anything.
and players, (eventually some players moved to B-more, yes). ownership, record, (NO, neither of these moved. The Browns franchise ownership moved into The Cleveland Browns Trust, with Mr. Bill Futterer as the appointed trustee, headquartered in the Browns Berea offices) uniforms, (maybe not, I believe all the Browns uniforms stayed right here. The Ravens never used them) etc and moved the team to Baltimore. After this was done, some wording changes were made to appease Browns fans. AFTER the team moved, the NFL, in a legal settlement, said Cleveland can have an expansion team, or another team can move to Cleveland.
Again....NO, the legal settlement came first....any movement of anything by Modell was enjoined by the court. Only after the settlement was negotiated and implemented was anything really moved. Maybe a few chattels were hauled off, but the franchise, the ownership, , the records, history etc. never moved. The player agreements were only assigned from the Browns to the Ravens after the settlement.
Sorry bout this real logic. Play with the words all you want. This is the real story.
I am sorry that the facts get in the way of your delusion. This isn't word play, it is fact. If you want to think your fantasy is real, fine. Just go find some prozac or something to help you along.
Lets use you little McDonalds/Burger King example. If McDonalds takes all it's inventory, moves into a Burger King building, sets up everything and serves McDonalds food, it doesn't matter what the sign says, you're eating McDonalds food. Starting another McDonalds in the fist building, doesn't mean the first move didn't happen.
It's not about liking the Browns. It's accepting the FACT. (not legal wording)
How would you like to wager $1000.00 that my version is correct?
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The Soldier said:
Makes NO logical sense whatsoever.Who says it has to make logical sense. Lots of things that have happened in history don't make logical sense. It didn't make logical sense to engage in half the wars we have been engaged in, but we fought those wars anyway.
If the Ravens were a brand new franchise why wouldn't they get the first draft slot? Wouldn't it be logical for a expansion franchise to get the first draft position.
Again, logic hasn't got a cabbage fart in hell to do with it. It was part of the settlement agreement.
Since when does a brand new team get "slotted" into another team draft place?
Since when the NFL said they were to be slotted into that other team's draft place, since that team was not going to be active and was not going to be drafting.
I've only seen them get 1 picks. Why didn't the Browns "slot" into another teams draft position when they decided to become "active" again.? They got the same treatment as Carolina, and Jacksonville, and before them Tampa Bay and Seattle.
Yes, they did. So what? They neither required nor asked for your approval when they came up with this plan.
The NFL based the Ravens draft on the Browns record. Why? Doesn't sound logical to me?
Sure, it makes perfect logical sense. The Browns were not going to be playing, the Ravens were. The NFL didn't want a void in that slot so they just stuck the Ravens in there
The Browns packed up all their stuff, in moving trucks,
No, the Browns didn't. There was a court injunction in place preventing Modell from moving anything.
and players, (eventually some players moved to B-more, yes). ownership, record, (NO, neither of these moved. The Browns franchise ownership moved into The Cleveland Browns Trust, with Mr. Bill Futterer as the appointed trustee, headquartered in the Browns Berea offices) uniforms, (maybe not, I believe all the Browns uniforms stayed right here. The Ravens never used them) etc and moved the team to Baltimore. After this was done, some wording changes were made to appease Browns fans. AFTER the team moved, the NFL, in a legal settlement, said Cleveland can have an expansion team, or another team can move to Cleveland.
Again....NO, the legal settlement came first....any movement of anything by Modell was enjoined by the court. Only after the settlement was negotiated and implemented was anything really moved. Maybe a few chattels were hauled off, but the franchise, the ownership, , the records, history etc. never moved. The player agreements were only assigned from the Browns to the Ravens after the settlement.
Sorry bout this real logic. Play with the words all you want. This is the real story.
I am sorry that the facts get in the way of your delusion. This isn't word play, it is fact. If you want to think your fantasy is real, fine. Just go find some prozac or something to help you along.
Lets use you little McDonalds/Burger King example. If McDonalds takes all it's inventory, moves into a Burger King building, sets up everything and serves McDonalds food, it doesn't matter what the sign says, you're eating McDonalds food. Starting another McDonalds in the fist building, doesn't mean the first move didn't happen.
It's not about liking the Browns. It's accepting the FACT. (not legal wording)
How would you like to wager $1000.00 that my version is correct?
How would you like to wager $1000.00 that my version is correct?
He doesn't have $1000. Now quit tempting to start robbing and or become a drug dealer.
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The Soldier said:
Makes NO logical sense whatsoever.Who says it has to make logical sense. Lots of things that have happened in history don't make logical sense. It didn't make logical sense to engage in half the wars we have been engaged in, but we fought those wars anyway.
If the Ravens were a brand new franchise why wouldn't they get the first draft slot? Wouldn't it be logical for a expansion franchise to get the first draft position.
Again, logic hasn't got a cabbage fart in hell to do with it. It was part of the settlement agreement.
Since when does a brand new team get "slotted" into another team draft place?
Since when the NFL said they were to be slotted into that other team's draft place, since that team was not going to be active and was not going to be drafting.
I've only seen them get 1 picks. Why didn't the Browns "slot" into another teams draft position when they decided to become "active" again.? They got the same treatment as Carolina, and Jacksonville, and before them Tampa Bay and Seattle.
Yes, they did. So what? They neither required nor asked for your approval when they came up with this plan.
The NFL based the Ravens draft on the Browns record. Why? Doesn't sound logical to me?
Sure, it makes perfect logical sense. The Browns were not going to be playing, the Ravens were. The NFL didn't want a void in that slot so they just stuck the Ravens in there
The Browns packed up all their stuff, in moving trucks,
No, the Browns didn't. There was a court injunction in place preventing Modell from moving anything.
and players, (eventually some players moved to B-more, yes). ownership, record, (NO, neither of these moved. The Browns franchise ownership moved into The Cleveland Browns Trust, with Mr. Bill Futterer as the appointed trustee, headquartered in the Browns Berea offices) uniforms, (maybe not, I believe all the Browns uniforms stayed right here. The Ravens never used them) etc and moved the team to Baltimore. After this was done, some wording changes were made to appease Browns fans. AFTER the team moved, the NFL, in a legal settlement, said Cleveland can have an expansion team, or another team can move to Cleveland.
Again....NO, the legal settlement came first....any movement of anything by Modell was enjoined by the court. Only after the settlement was negotiated and implemented was anything really moved. Maybe a few chattels were hauled off, but the franchise, the ownership, , the records, history etc. never moved. The player agreements were only assigned from the Browns to the Ravens after the settlement.
Sorry bout this real logic. Play with the words all you want. This is the real story.
I am sorry that the facts get in the way of your delusion. This isn't word play, it is fact. If you want to think your fantasy is real, fine. Just go find some prozac or something to help you along.
Lets use you little McDonalds/Burger King example. If McDonalds takes all it's inventory, moves into a Burger King building, sets up everything and serves McDonalds food, it doesn't matter what the sign says, you're eating McDonalds food. Starting another McDonalds in the fist building, doesn't mean the first move didn't happen.
It's not about liking the Browns. It's accepting the FACT. (not legal wording)
How would you like to wager $1000.00 that my version is correct?
How would you like to wager $1000.00 that my version is correct?
Listen, I undertand you are basing your argument on "legal" definitions. My argument is based in reality. You can word it any way it makes you feel better.
If you are stopped for driving 75mph in a 35 mph, and the police decide not to give you a ticket, we were still speeding. You can argue you wern't speeding because you didn't recieve a ticket, but the reality is that you were speeding.
I can see what your point is. I just happen not to buy into it.
Your view that the NFL decided to add a team to Baltimore (that contained the Browns players) and remove a team from Cleveland for a while.
I believe that the Browns owner moved his team to Baltimore, and the NFL re-worded everything to revise what happend to appease fans.
No need for name calling.
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