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The Gipper

Formerly Stone said:
Bingo!
And I guarantee you that no matter how some legal beagle spins it, when Modell and the commissioner, and the city of Baltimore, and Al Lerner, were hammering out the details prior to the move nobody was the least bit worried about the legal definition of the move would be because "THE BROWNS WERE MOVING TO BALTIMORE, THE BROWNS DID MOVE TO BALTIMORE, AND CLEVELAND WAS GIVEN AN EXPANSION TEAM AFTER ALL OF THAT TOOK PLACE............... LEGALLY!"

And BINGO, just because Modell and whoever from Baltimore made that proclamation, and just because they were hammering out those details between themselves, any and all those efforts were ENJOINED by the courts.

They were stopped dead in their tracks from taking any further efforts to relocate the Cleveland Browns franchise....and in fact The Cleveland Browns franchise NEVER moved.

And this FACT is supported by the NFL, the Clevealnd Browns, the Baltimore Ravens, the City of Baltimore, the City of Cleveland, the states of Ohio and Maryland....and the courts at the federal level and the state, and every single other authoritative entity that had anything to do with it.

OH, but you know better...because you heard it announced that the Browns were moving.

Maybe I would like to make an announcement that I have had sex with the entire Dallas Cowboys cheerleading squad.

Just because I announce it doesn't make it a fact....but maybe you will bleive because you heard it announced.

The Gipper

Formerly Stone said:
Right in my mind, this board is simply a source of entertainment. Face it, most of the Browns posters here are delusional, bitter, jealous, and down right pissed off at the rest of the football world when in fact it's the Cleveland Browns who make you that way!
Actually, from all objective standards, it is you who displays all the indices of bitterness and jealousy.

Perhaps it was that divorce you lost so badly that has jaundiced your eyes towards the entire planet.

The Gipper

@kshutchins said:
Tsk Tsk. And wives would say "husbands?"

I was trying to make a joke at stone's expense. Unfortuneatly, apparently, his life has been so full of disappointment and sorrow that he cannot even comprehend or appreciate a little attempt at humor.

The Gipper

@gafreleets said:
AMEN!!!
the best part is the "haterism" that is practiced here. you guys just can't stand the fact that compared to the Steelers, the browns look like a 1983 omni sitting next to a brand new mustang.

just being in the same division as us spotlights how abysmal your team is and just how short it's falling of being competetive.

Except we know all this, and understand it, and no, we are not happy about it. Yet, it is your ilk that apparently has some latent sense of inferiority such that the only way you can obtain self satisfaction is by gloating over the fact that your football team has been better than ours for a long time. OK, it is a frustrating thing for us to have our team(s) (as believe it or not, the Browns are actually the most successful on field/court team of all 3 of Cleveland's teams) play so poorly, but it has clearly not dampened our enthusiasm for our team.

I doubt seriously if we were to 2-3 years of a reversal in the fortunes of our franchises that you would be nearly as introspective about it..

it's not bs. it's the simple, hard to deal with (if you're a browns fan), truth.

your team sucks.

your team has sucked for the past 40+ years.

your team looks like it's going to continue sucking for the forseeable future.

and that sucks as a fan.

and if you're so bitter with us "coming in to say nah, nah, your team sucks", then have a team that dosen't suck.

Why are you so bitter/classless...however you want to describe it as to feel the necessity to do that?

cancel your season tickets (trust me, your safe to get them back....there's no waiting list like the 26yr one the Steelers have)

stop buying merchandise.

let your owners know that the fanbase isn't going to take being a bottom dweller anymore.

and don't give me any garbage about how "then you'll make fun of us because our merchandise sales are low".......no we won't. most Steeler fans would just be impressed that the brown fans aren't standing for a sub-par franchise anymore.

You are ignorant if you don't think the fans haven't already taken all those steps.

Or maybe it is just not within our character to abandon our team....even after long many years of poor performance (as it is in yours)

Hoss

QUOTE (Formerly Stone @ Jan 12 2011, 08:59 PM) *
Right in my mind, this board is simply a source of entertainment. Face it, most of the Browns posters here are delusional, bitter, jealous, and down right pissed off at the rest of the football world when in fact it's the Cleveland Browns who make you that way!

LMMFAO! Of all the places you could spend your free time, you choose to spend it here amongst the people you can relate to the most.

Captain Cheesedick

@the-gipper said:
You say that you want to deal in only reality.
But it is an absolute fact based reality that the Browns franchise NEVER moved from Cleveland, Ohio.

Did Art Modell move to Baltimore? Yes.

Was he given an NFL franchise in Baltimore? Yes.

Did Art Modell purchase a new franchise while in Baltimore? Is this the first time a person was "given" a franchise?

Did that new franchise take acquire certain assets that once belonged to the Cleveland Browns franchise, including chattels, player contracts that were assigned to it and certain front office personnell? (draft position based on the Browns record) Yes

Did this all happen prior to the settlement agreement with the City was reached? NO

Did it happen prior to the lifting of the injunction by the courts? NO

But also, did The Cleveland Browns franchise ALWAYS maintain its offices on Lou Groza Blvd. in Berea, Ohio? YES

Did the Cleveland Browns franchise become "inactive" on the field for a 3 year period? Yes.

But, did the Cleveland Browns franchise maintain a presence, a staff, and all other indices of an ongoing NFL franchise? (except players, coaches, a playing field) YES- At all times? Without any disruption?

Did it maintain its corporate structure at all times? Yes

That's right, the guy you mentioned never did commit the murder, even though he was convicted.

And the Cleveland Browns franchise never moved, even though an attempt was made.

So, your analogy may be apropos, it is just your conclusions that are wrong.

We won't agree on this.

Were you here when the Browns decided to become inactive? Remember the outcry from fans, "Don't become inactive!" Headlines; "BROWNS INACTIVATED" We were so ticked at Model for inactivating them. I remember the local radio stations talking about it, "He promised he wouldn't inactivate them!"

(on a side note, I was just reading what Lebron said about the Cavs, I think I'm starting to like the fact we decided not to resign him.)

Slurp and Burp

I'll bet all of them. Watching the Steelers is the closest thing they can get to the playoffs.

Congrats on your new coach - did Holmgren explain to this guy that he has to play the Steelers and Ravens twice a year? That west coast shit doesn't work in cold weather DUH!

Gips

I will be watching every game but as far as the browns go its one and done one year of holmgren and im packin it in...

GO PACKERS! hehehehhehe

Harry Buffalo

@gips said:
I will be watching every game but as far as the browns go its one and done one year of holmgren and im packin it in...
GO PACKERS! hehehehhehe

Wow you actually gave someone a full year. That's surprising.

gobrownies

Surf and Turf said:
I'll bet all of them. Watching the Steelers is the closest thing they can get to the playoffs.
Congrats on your new coach - did Holmgren explain to this guy that he has to play the Steelers and Ravens twice a year? That west coast shit doesn't work in cold weather DUH!

you did an excellent job of proving your an idiot. i guess when holmgren won a superbowl in GREEN BAY WISCONSIN that wasnt a west coast offense. i guess a dumbass will squeek through the cracks past the moderators.

BigBrownsFan

Surf and Turf said:
I'll bet all of them. Watching the Steelers is the closest thing they can get to the playoffs.
Congrats on your new coach - did Holmgren explain to this guy that he has to play the Steelers and Ravens twice a year? That west coast shit doesn't work in cold weather DUH!

I'll be watching to see if someone can literally remove Whines Hard's head from his spine..... and hoping Big Rapist literally suffers compound fractures in both his legs that require amputation. Yeah, I'm a dick, but it's the Steelers and I would feel no sympathy whatsoever if those two things occured.

1 more season

@gobrownies said:
you did an excellent job of proving your an idiot. i guess when holmgren won a superbowl in GREEN BAY WISCONSIN that wasnt a west coast offense. i guess a dumbass will squeek through the cracks past the moderators.

Yah and nothing says warm weather like Seattle.

shepwrite

I'll just check the news from the volleyball tournament in hopes of that hell mouth I hear might open up under Heinz.

hoorta

Surf and Turf said:
I'll bet all of them. Watching the Steelers is the closest thing they can get to the playoffs.
Congrats on your new coach - did Holmgren explain to this guy that he has to play the Steelers and Ravens twice a year? That west coast shit doesn't work in cold weather DUH!

We'll be down at the local watering hole wearing our official gear.

Did anyone explain you should be over on a Squealer forum discussing the big game, instead of asking BROWNS fans what we plan to do?

Speedyd900rr

Awwww is the wittle squeeler fan that insecure about his team losing to the Ravens that he has to come onto a Browns board and remind everyone of how much better his team is then ours to gain his confidence back?

If he's this insecure about a game id hate to see what he does when he finds out his cock isnt the biggest his womans ever had pumped inside her.

If I was you I wouldn't say squat about who eyes are glued to what because we all know your eyes are glued to a Browns forum and more then likely you have it saved on your favorites bar for easy access. This way everytime some guy pushes you around you dont have to risk breaking a nail, you can come here and take out all your anger to feel like a real man again.

BROWNandORANGE

@bigbrownsfan said:
I'll be watching to see if someone can literally remove Whines Hard's head from his spine..... and hoping Big Rapist literally suffers compound fractures in both his legs that require amputation. Yeah, I'm a dick, but it's the Steelers and I would feel no sympathy whatsoever if those two things occured.

Agreed, pal.

djdawg2010

Surf and Turf said:
I'll bet all of them. Watching the Steelers is the closest thing they can get to the playoffs.
Congrats on your new coach - did Holmgren explain to this guy that he has to play the Steelers and Ravens twice a year? That west coast shit doesn't work in cold weather DUH!

Yeah. I'll be watching.... for them to lose! BTW your comments on not being able to run the WCO in the cold is an EPIC FAIL! What do you think they ran in Green Bay which is a hell of a lot colder than Cleveland, Ohio! Furthermore, a lot of what is in the WCO was taken from the playbook of none other than the legendary Paul Brown.

The Gipper

Surf and Turf said:
I'll bet all of them. Watching the Steelers is the closest thing they can get to the playoffs.
Congrats on your new coach - did Holmgren explain to this guy that he has to play the Steelers and Ravens twice a year? That west coast shit doesn't work in cold weather DUH!

It worked for Green Bay when they ran it and won a SB with it. The Eagles have run it the whole time under Andy Reid in Philly...went to 4 conf. title games and a SB. None of those places are tropical paradises. There may be others as well.

Gafreleets

quotes from the gipper in bold:

Except we know all this, and understand it, and no, we are not happy about it.

but unfortunately, you don't! EVERY offseason we Steeler fans who frequent this board have to hear how "so and so is the piece we needed to dominate, we're definately going to the superbowl now!". never do we hear you're gonna make slow steady improvement or that your shooting for a winning season.

no, we hear how your gonna dominate for the next decade.................until you lose the first 5 games of just about every season...............then we start hearing you come back to earth. so no, i don't think you understand just how crappy your team is.

Why are you so bitter/classless...however you want to describe it as to feel the necessity to do that?

for the reason stated above. everyone loves a underdog story(which the browns could be)...........no one likes a person that blows themself up to epic proportions only to fail time and time again with equally epic proportions.

You are ignorant if you don't think the fans haven't already taken all those steps.

Or maybe it is just not within our character to abandon our team....even after long many years of poor performance (as it is in yours)

OH YES YOU FREAKIN HAVE ABANDONED YOUR TEAM!!! or do i really need to post some shots of your deserted stadium (save for pockets of Steeler fans) at halftime against your division rival?

you guys DID abandon your team, and of all the things you could have done to protest............leaving your team on the field while they still had a chance to win is the one that is completely unforgivable.

you want to hurt the owners?

cancel your season tickets.

stop buying merchandise.

bury them in letters/petitions/email.

you want to hurt the actual players on the team you say you all support so much?

can't think of anything worse you could do than what was done.

so don't you EVER try that again. you lost your "well, we have a crappy team but we're supper fans and stick by them through thick and thin" card when you let your team come out to an almost entirely hostile home field that day.

think those players might remember that?

i do.

BROWNandORANGE

Go 'Lers said:
FYI to help you all pick who to "root" for (or against) in this game
Ravens- criminals who stole your team

Steelers- One of only two teams that voted against the relocation to Baltimore

I'm just sayin'

You do notice that you have 58 posts and absolutely no thanked posts? That speaks for itself.