2011 COACHING AND FRONT OFFICE MOVEMENT
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I'm on the same page as Shep....As fans, even the most knowledgeable don't know SQUAT compared to Holmgren & Heckert. I'll live with their decision. Actually, when was the last time we had REAL football people, & successful ones at that, bringing in a Head Coach who is on the same page they are. This is not an inherited HC, but one of their choice. I'll trust their judgment because they can back it up with solid track records.
I have to admit that I'm not a big Rob Ryan fan & I'm VERY interested in who will be the DC....Ryan, or ???
Mike
I'm on the same page as Shep....As fans, even the most knowledgeable don't know SQUAT compared to Holmgren & Heckert. I'll live with their decision. Actually, when was the last time we had REAL football people, & successful ones at that, bringing in a Head Coach who is on the same page they are. This is not an inherited HC, but one of their choice. I'll trust their judgment because they can back it up with solid track records.
I have to admit that I'm not a big Rob Ryan fan & I'm VERY interested in who will be the DC....Ryan, or ???
Mike
Since we are still paying Mangini why not let him be the DC? He is not getting another head coaching job any time soon!
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I'm on the same page as Shep....As fans, even the most knowledgeable don't know SQUAT compared to Holmgren & Heckert. I'll live with their decision. Actually, when was the last time we had REAL football people, & successful ones at that, bringing in a Head Coach who is on the same page they are. This is not an inherited HC, but one of their choice. I'll trust their judgment because they can back it up with solid track records.
I have to admit that I'm not a big Rob Ryan fan & I'm VERY interested in who will be the DC....Ryan, or ???
Mike
Since we are still paying Mangini why not let him be the DC? He is not getting another head coaching job any time soon!
Since we are still paying Mangini why not let him be the DC? He is not getting another head coaching job any time soon!
Cause that never happens. You would have a HUGE potential of a divided locker room..
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Are we really sure this is the guy? This does not sound good!
listen close starting at the 0:48 second mark!
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Who are you to say he isn't ideal?Can you actually name a specific recipe that guarantees that a coach will be successful? I haven't seen such a thing and don't think anyone else here has either.
Are you telling me Cowher, Belichik, Jimmie Johnson, Holmgren, Tomlin, Madden, Landry and Dungy ALL fit this magic ideal recipe?
The only thing about this guy that isn't ideal is that you don't think highly of him.
From my vantage point there are a lto of things going for him.
He's young, energetic, he's an offensive minded guy, AND, he isn't someone's retread.
Give him a chance. I'm behind the guy if it's him, and GRUDEN would have been a guaranteed failure.
Who am I? I'm a fan that is sick of getting our crappy team handed over to UN-proven hacks from other organizations. Shumur is from Holmgren's good ole boy network and for all we know he got the job SOLELY because of that. We could have waited to vet other guys. I still said I will wait to reserve (further) judgment--and this guy has one season, starting NOW to prove otherwise.
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Are we really sure this is the guy? This does not sound good!
listen close starting at the 0:48 second mark!
Are we really sure this is the guy? This does not sound good!
listen close starting at the 0:48 second mark!
How much weight are we going to put on Fan opinion before the man even gets here? Once again, we have proven PROS in Holmgren & Heckert deciding on an HC. One thing not yet mentioned is the importance of GOOD Coordinators. A Head Coach will never win on his merits alone. We need an HC who is NOT a control freak, but one who surrounds himself with EXCELLENT Coordinators. The really successful teams are staffed with great Coordinators & a Head Coach who respects & utilizes their knowledge. I believe the biggest change we may see with our new FO is a far more credible staff at the "hands on" level. Let's wait & see.
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Who are you to say he isn't ideal?Can you actually name a specific recipe that guarantees that a coach will be successful? I haven't seen such a thing and don't think anyone else here has either.
Are you telling me Cowher, Belichik, Jimmie Johnson, Holmgren, Tomlin, Madden, Landry and Dungy ALL fit this magic ideal recipe?
The only thing about this guy that isn't ideal is that you don't think highly of him.
From my vantage point there are a lto of things going for him.
He's young, energetic, he's an offensive minded guy, AND, he isn't someone's retread.
Give him a chance. I'm behind the guy if it's him, and GRUDEN would have been a guaranteed failure.
Who am I? I'm a fan that is sick of getting our crappy team handed over to UN-proven hacks from other organizations. Shumur is from Holmgren's good ole boy network and for all we know he got the job SOLELY because of that. We could have waited to vet other guys. I still said I will wait to reserve (further) judgment--and this guy has one season, starting NOW to prove otherwise.
Who am I? I'm a fan that is sick of getting our crappy team handed over to UN-proven hacks from other organizations. Shumur is from Holmgren's good ole boy network and for all we know he got the job SOLELY because of that. We could have waited to vet other guys. I still said I will wait to reserve (further) judgment, and this ex-OC has one season, starting NOW.
He's not from Holmgren's ole boy network but from Lamonte's stable that Grossi's been crowing about all season.
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I love this move now. Why? Football is entertainment. The unknown is well...entertaining. I'd love to be that team that takes a nobody and makes him a household name.
LETS DO THIS DAMMIT!
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Maybe if the new hires all fail as so many of you predict, Mangini can come back to replace Holmgren, Rob Ryan can replace Heckert and Daboll can replace Shurmur. Then the dream team would finally be in place.
Time for someone to go post a Hitler Rant Parody concerning Shurmur's hiring on Youtube.
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Are we really sure this is the guy? This does not sound good!
listen close starting at the 0:48 second mark!
How much weight are we going to put on Fan opinion before the man even gets here? Once again, we have proven PROS in Holmgren & Heckert deciding on an HC. One thing not yet mentioned is the importance of GOOD Coordinators. A Head Coach will never win on his merits alone. We need an HC who is NOT a control freak, but one who surrounds himself with EXCELLENT Coordinators. The really successful teams are staffed with great Coordinators & a Head Coach who respects & utilizes their knowledge. I believe the biggest change we may see with our new FO is a far more credible staff at the "hands on" level. Let's wait & see.
Mike
How much weight are we going to put on Fan opinion before the man even gets here? Once again, we have proven PROS in Holmgren & Heckert deciding on an HC. One thing not yet mentioned is the importance of GOOD Coordinators. A Head Coach will never win on his merits alone. We need an HC who is NOT a control freak, but one who surrounds himself with EXCELLENT Coordinators. The really successful teams are staffed with great Coordinators & a Head Coach who respects & utilizes their knowledge. I believe the biggest change we may see with our new FO is a far more credible staff at the "hands on" level. Let's wait & see.
Mike
Holmgren is a pro COACH......last I checked, this is first czar position. He has no track record for picking coaches.....yet.
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I'd still trust that a guy who has had success as a pro coach would know what it takes to be a successful pro coach. I'm successful at my job and I'm extremely confident that I could interview and find someone who could be equally as successful.
I'd still trust that a guy who has had success as a pro coach would know what it takes to be a successful pro coach. I'm successful at my job and I'm extremely confident that I could interview and find someone who could be equally as successful.
I have come to the conclusion that most Cleveland fans are a bunch of moaners.
The reality is they don't know crap about any of the candidates yet they complain about picking coach X over coach Y.
In the very beginning Holmgren said he very likely would be looking for a young coach. A guy they can give the ball and let him make his own destiny.
When you think about it, most of the really good coaches were guys who weren't on the rebound from somewhere else.
Here's an idea....maybe we should complain...say a year or two from now if things aren't looking good.
For now, if he is indeed hired, just wait, watch, and listen.
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I'd still trust that a guy who has had success as a pro coach would know what it takes to be a successful pro coach. I'm successful at my job and I'm extremely confident that I could interview and find someone who could be equally as successful.
I have come to the conclusion that most Cleveland fans are a bunch of moaners.
The reality is they don't know crap about any of the candidates yet they complain about picking coach X over coach Y.
In the very beginning Holmgren said he very likely would be looking for a young coach. A guy they can give the ball and let him make his own destiny.
When you think about it, most of the really good coaches were guys who weren't on the rebound from somewhere else.
Here's an idea....maybe we should complain...say a year or two from now if things aren't looking good.
For now, if he is indeed hired, just wait, watch, and listen.
I have come to the conclusion that most Cleveland fans are a bunch of moaners.
The reality is they don't know crap about any of the candidates yet they complain about picking coach X over coach Y.
In the very beginning Holmgren said he very likely would be looking for a young coach. A guy they can give the ball and let him make his own destiny.
When you think about it, most of the really good coaches were guys who weren't on the rebound from somewhere else.
Here's an idea....maybe we should complain...say a year or two from now if things aren't looking good.
For now, if he is indeed hired, just wait, watch, and listen.
We always wait, watch and listen and sometimes we even dare to hope beyond hope one failed regime after another...
As an OC this guy appears to suck but as a HC who knows maybe he wont, we know nothing about shurmur other than many ram fans cant wait until he is gone but with spags as their HC there could be more than meets the eye here when it comes to scrubber ahh hmm i mean shurmur...
I dont like this hire at least not yet, not until we can see who he places at the coordinator and staff positions and that should give us a better look at what scrubber has in mind..
And yeah holmgren did indicate the extreme possibility of handing off to a young guy though i hardly consider 45 young especially when this guy shurmur has been floating silently around the league for many years without much promotion to me it usually indicates an RAC knot on the log kinda guy with no personality and even less ability to lead..
Its holmgren, heckert and lamonte's call, its on their clock and lerners wallet, regardless as expansion browns fans all we will do is bend over, spread em and smile...
The lamonte regime may prove to make the savage era look like browns fan heaven..
We will be most likely be stuck with this guy for at least 4 years for better or empty stadium..
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Prediction: Tomorrow Cleveland Browns hold press conference introducing Shurmur. When Shurmur has his talk, he sounds powerful, invigorating, and not boring (yeah I am looking at you Mangini). Then we all become excited. The end.
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Fan poll is relatively optimistic, which surprised me a little. But Mary Kay is saying almost exactly what I've said (I like her more than a lot here and think she gets it). We're going to have a team of guys heading up the program who are all on the same page, speaking the same language. Heckert knows how to find the right players for this system.
And it really is great news for Colt McCoy, who not only gets the offense he's best suited for, but a very "quarterback friendly" head coach who will work as the extension of the prez who wanted him in an orange helmet.
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/..._would_get.html
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...head_coach.html
BEREA -- Rams offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur has been named the Browns' fifth head coach since they returned as an expansion franchise in 1999.
In doing so, Browns President Mike Holmgren is retracing the path which led him to his first NFL head coaching job in Green Bay 19 years ago.
Shurmur was never a head coach at any level. But like Holmgren and his many eventual coaching proteges, Shurmur learned the NFL game as a quarterbacks coach and then as a coordinator in the pass-first offensive system now commonly referred to as the West Coast offense.
Others who followed the path paved by Holmgren include Steve Mariucci, Andy Reid, Marty Mornhinweg and Brad Childress. Jon Gruden started as a receivers coach before ascending to coordinator and then head coach. Of those, only Mornhinweg failed to reached the playoffs as an NFL head coach.
Shurmur, 45, never worked with Holmgren, but learned his offensive system under Reid in Philadelphia for 10 years -- the last seven as Eagles quarterbacks coach. For eight of those years, Browns General Manager Tom Heckert held various titles as the head of the Eagles' player personnel department.
Shurmur's connections to Holmgren stretch farther. He is the nephew of the late Fritz Shurmur, who was Holmgren's defensive coordinator in Green Bay for five seasons in the 1990s. Shurmur also shares the same agent, Bob LaMonte, as Holmgren and Heckert and numerous other branches of the Holmgren coaching tree.
Shurmur left the Eagles in 2009 to become coordinator in St. Louis under former Eagles defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo. They were members of Reid's initial coaching staff in Philadelphia in 1999.
When Shurmur arrived in St. Louis, the Rams were coming off a 2-14 season and their offense ranked 27th. In 2009, they fell to 1-15 and the offense dipped to 29th. The arrival of quarterback Sam Bradford with the No. 1 choice in the 2010 draft had an instant impact. With Bradford starting every game, the Rams improved to 7-9 and their offensive ranking inched up to 26th.
Like the Browns, the Rams were hampered by an inexperienced receiving corps after injuries wiped out veterans Donnie Avery and Mark Clayton. They were 26th in points with 289 -- five notches ahead of the Browns (31st), who had 271. The Rams' 21 giveaways were eight fewer than the Browns' 29.
Shurmur received some criticism for play selection in the Rams' season-ending 16-6 loss to Seattle, which cost the Rams a spot in the playoffs as NFC West champion. In that game, Rams 1,200-yard running back Steve Jackson carried the ball only 11 times for 45 yards. He had only four rushing attempts in the second half. The Rams had seven possessions in the second half and none longer than six plays.
Shurmur, a native of Dearborn, Mich., was a three-year starter at center for Michigan State University in the late 1980s. He returned to the school in 1990 to launch his coaching career and coached tight ends, special teams and assisted on the offensive line for a span of eight years. He worked under former Browns defensive coordinator Nick Saban the last five years.
Shurmur moved to Stanford University in 1998 as offensive line coach before joining Reid in Philadelphia in 1999 as tight ends coach.
Reid named Shurmur quarterbacks coach in 2002. In that role through 2009, he was position coach for Eagles quarterbacks Donovan McNabb, A.J. Feeley, Koy Detmer, Jeff Garcia, and Kevin Kolb.
Shurmur is the first Browns head coach with purely an offensive background since Chris Palmer in 1999. He represents a final break from the Bill Belichick coaching tree, which spawned the Browns' last two coaches, Eric Mangini and Romeo Crennel.
When he launched the search to replace Mangini, Holmgren tipped off his intentions when he said, "I can get real excited about finding a young guy and having him take the ball and go with it."
Holmgren also said it would be "a pretty wide search ... we're not limiting ourselves in any way."
But only three candidates were formally interviewed. Shurmur was the first, following by Falcons offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey and Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell.
Former Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh turned down the Browns' invitation for an interview before he accepted the 49ers head coach job. Also, Gruden, who was considered a hot candidate before the search began because of his history with Holmgren, never was interviewed and said he would return to the ESPN announcing booth in 2011.
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Via Adam Schefter Twitter:
"Browns DC Rob Ryan does not appear to be staying. Been out of the mix and out of the office despite being under contract."
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DC Rob Ryan does not appear to be staying. Been out of the mix and out of the office despite being under contract.
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DC Rob Ryan does not appear to be staying. Been out of the mix and out of the office despite being under contract.
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Good riddance. I never understood why so many fans rode this guys dick all season.
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Good riddance. I never understood why so many fans rode this guys dick all season.
Good riddance. I never understood why so many fans rode this guys dick all season.
I do agree he was all hype. I liked his "The Dude" look but he couldn't game plan at all and our D always lacked any type of adjustments.
Example? First Baltimore game, Eric Wright gets burnt play after play, yet no help given to him or even pulling him and we lose the game because of it.
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