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  • @cddbrowns said:

    Problem is, despite the W-L record, the team had improved in several areas. Progress is progress, just like you say 5-11 is 5-11....

    let me ask, you play a top team in the NFL, lets say Indy. You lose a game 21-20, thats the same as losing 40-0? LOL! Thats EXACTLY what youre saying there. Injuries and lack of depth, holes where there should be talent, strength of schedule and several other factors SHOULD be looked at. NOW? LOL! We will see, but REALLY?!?!?!

    What YOU dont understand is, I dont care if it was Lerner himself, if the progress was there, the progress was there and I would think it was STUPID to fire him too! This "loverboy" crap is playground bullsh!t, plain and simple.

    Ranked something like 8th in the NFL in points allowed? TD's went up, rushing yards went up, passing yards went up, turnover ration was INSANE improved, all on a MUCH harder schedule.......but youre right, no progress at all and he was just a big failure. We are just missing our "loverboy."

    What a stupid comment.

    You are a loverboy of George Clooney proportions..

    Maybe I should draw it for you in craynon.. Everytime it FELT like we were making progress we would always take two steps back.. Lets go back to last year, we won the last 4 games of the season and ran it down everyones throat... Mangini said the team was starting to buy into his system. Yet this year we start 1-5.. 2 steps back bucko!

    Then we beat the Saints and Patriots, once again we look like we are making progress.. Then we barely beat a Carolina Panther team who was aweful. We lose to the Jags after creating 6 turn overs. Then we lose to the Bills and Bengals who is aweful. Lose to the Ravens and get embarassed at home to the Steelers..

    "yeah were all astronauts"

    @wrrebel said:

    You are a loverboy of George Clooney proportions..

    Maybe I should draw it for you in craynon.. Everytime it FELT like we were making progress we would always take two steps back.. Lets go back to last year, we won the last 4 games of the season and ran it down everyones throat... Mangini said the team was starting to buy into his system. Yet this year we start 1-5.. 2 steps back bucko!

    Then we beat the Saints and Patriots, once again we look like we are making progress.. Then we barely beat a Carolina Panther team who was aweful. We lose to the Jags after creating 6 turn overs. Then we lose to the Bills and Bengals who is aweful. Lose to the Ravens and get embarassed at home to the Steelers..

    "yeah were all astronauts"

    Out of all those games, we were in every game except for the Steelers........you are a BLIND HATER to epic proportions.....cried for 2 years, and apparently your grasp of the actual football on the field is lacking, all you have is the record. Good luck with that champ.

  • @cddbrowns said:

    So if the Texans played the Cowboys 10 times in a row, who would win more?

    UHHHHH, the team with the most points in each game. That's why they play the games.

    @longhorn said:

    UHHHHH, the team with the most points in each game. That's why they play the games.

    Oh, so you dont think with the way the Cowboys were playing, the Texans wouldnt have won? LOL! Nice diversion and all, but one team is better than the other even though the W-L record is the same. Tell me, why didnt the undefeated Pats team win the SB that year? I mean, the W-L is the only thing you guys go on, OBVIOUSLY undefeated means best team in the NFL. Why didnt they win?

    How the HELL did Seattle win a playoff game with a losing record? LOGIC people, its looking at EVERY aspect of the game, not just the ONE STAT everyone wants to use because no one wanted that coach in the first place!

    Colts personal W-L record in the NFL is what? Means he sucks? Using the logic, or lack of, that people are using with this W-L record ONLY bull crap, he is a pretty sh!tty QB....

  • When you receive millions of dollars, you say favorable things.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    When you receive millions of dollars, you say favorable things.

    Bullshit! Eric Mangini has been and continues to be a First Class person, and a great guy. To think he is saying anything just because he is getting paid? He could say nothing at all and still get paid his millions-- he doesn't have utter to one word at all. He chooses to be first class.

  • @wrrebel said:

    You are a loverboy of George Clooney proportions..

    Maybe I should draw it for you in craynon.. Everytime it FELT like we were making progress we would always take two steps back.. Lets go back to last year, we won the last 4 games of the season and ran it down everyones throat... Mangini said the team was starting to buy into his system. Yet this year we start 1-5.. 2 steps back bucko!

    Then we beat the Saints and Patriots, once again we look like we are making progress.. Then we barely beat a Carolina Panther team who was aweful. We lose to the Jags after creating 6 turn overs. Then we lose to the Bills and Bengals who is aweful. Lose to the Ravens and get embarassed at home to the Steelers..

    "yeah were all astronauts"

    Out of all those games, we were in every game except for the Steelers........you are a BLIND HATER to epic proportions.....cried for 2 years, and apparently your grasp of the actual football on the field is lacking, all you have is the record. Good luck with that champ.

    @cddbrowns said:

    Out of all those games, we were in every game except for the Steelers........you are a BLIND HATER to epic proportions.....cried for 2 years, and apparently your grasp of the actual football on the field is lacking, all you have is the record. Good luck with that champ.

    I have only been a member of this board since March 2010..... I GET the fact that you have problems with math, but i have only been on this board since March 2010. If you cant figure out 5-11 and 5-11 is the same, i dont expect you to know how long i have been crying for.

  • @cddbrowns said:

    Out of all those games, we were in every game except for the Steelers........you are a BLIND HATER to epic proportions.....cried for 2 years, and apparently your grasp of the actual football on the field is lacking, all you have is the record. Good luck with that champ.

    I have only been a member of this board since March 2010..... I GET the fact that you have problems with math, but i have only been on this board since March 2010. If you cant figure out 5-11 and 5-11 is the same, i dont expect you to know how long i have been crying for.

    @wrrebel said:

    I have only been a member of this board since March 2010..... I GET the fact that you have problems with math, but i have only been on this board since March 2010. If you cant figure out 5-11 and 5-11 is the same, i dont expect you to know how long i have been crying for.

    You dont have to be on a message board to be sitting on your bedroom floor in your plumb smugglers, rocking back and forth holding a poster of Gruden while crying.

    I threw in LOTS of math there skippy, you ignore all that doesnt work for your argument.

  • @wrrebel said:

    I have only been a member of this board since March 2010..... I GET the fact that you have problems with math, but i have only been on this board since March 2010. If you cant figure out 5-11 and 5-11 is the same, i dont expect you to know how long i have been crying for.

    You dont have to be on a message board to be sitting on your bedroom floor in your plumb smugglers, rocking back and forth holding a poster of Gruden while crying.

    I threw in LOTS of math there skippy, you ignore all that doesnt work for your argument.

    @cddbrowns said:

    You dont have to be on a message board to be sitting on your bedroom floor in your plumb smugglers, rocking back and forth holding a poster of Gruden while crying.

    I threw in LOTS of math there skippy, you ignore all that doesnt work for your argument.

    Actually I'm pretty sure ur the only one crying right now....

  • @cddbrowns said:

    You dont have to be on a message board to be sitting on your bedroom floor in your plumb smugglers, rocking back and forth holding a poster of Gruden while crying.

    I threw in LOTS of math there skippy, you ignore all that doesnt work for your argument.

    Actually I'm pretty sure ur the only one crying right now....

    @wrrebel said:

    Actually I'm pretty sure ur the only one crying right now....

    Nah, there are others, there is that whole math problem again.......

    How does it feel? Someone bitching non stop about something you want to happen. Makes the place suck huh? DEAL LIKE US "LOVERBOYS" DID! You know, the "loverboys" that know more about football than just the W-L record.

  • @wrrebel said:

    Actually I'm pretty sure ur the only one crying right now....

    Nah, there are others, there is that whole math problem again.......

    How does it feel? Someone bitching non stop about something you want to happen. Makes the place suck huh? DEAL LIKE US "LOVERBOYS" DID! You know, the "loverboys" that know more about football than just the W-L record.

    @cddbrowns said:

    Nah, there are others, there is that whole math problem again.......

    How does it feel? Someone bitching non stop about something you want to happen. Makes the place suck huh? DEAL LIKE US "LOVERBOYS" DID! You know, the "loverboys" that know more about football than just the W-L record.

    I feel really good.. mangini is gone... I have ben singing for the last ten days "ding dong the witch is dead"

    Its crazy that you know so much about football... yet mangini was fired, like I said he would. I'm pretty sure heckert and holmgren know more about football than me.. so ipso facto I know more about football than u

  • @cddbrowns said:

    Nah, there are others, there is that whole math problem again.......

    How does it feel? Someone bitching non stop about something you want to happen. Makes the place suck huh? DEAL LIKE US "LOVERBOYS" DID! You know, the "loverboys" that know more about football than just the W-L record.

    I feel really good.. mangini is gone... I have ben singing for the last ten days "ding dong the witch is dead"

    Its crazy that you know so much about football... yet mangini was fired, like I said he would. I'm pretty sure heckert and holmgren know more about football than me.. so ipso facto I know more about football than u

    @wrrebel said:

    I feel really good.. mangini is gone... I have ben singing for the last ten days "ding dong the witch is dead"

    Its crazy that you know so much about football... yet mangini was fired, like I said he would. I'm pretty sure heckert and holmgren know more about football than me.. so ipso fact I know more about football than u

    LOL! THATS where you are taking it? HAHAHA! Tell me big boy, what HAS worked in Cleveland? You KNEW Gruden was going to sign with the Browns, you KNEW his son. Oh, Im sure you know so much, but youre on a board talking about a W-L record not taking anything into consideration. ONLY REASON Holmgren fired Mangini was because he wasnt "his boy." Signed by "his agent." Give me a break bro.........thinking ALL those people that have you on ignore have the right idea. Good luck numbnuts, hope your W-L record is better this year, would HATE for you to start crying again. HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!

    New HC, wants HIS guys, install HIS playbook, all new coordinators wanting to do things THEIR way. This isnt even a real HC, he is a puppet, what a joke. Expect BELOW .500 this year bud, even with the MUCH EASIER SCHEDULE! LOL!

  • @wrrebel said:

    I feel really good.. mangini is gone... I have ben singing for the last ten days "ding dong the witch is dead"

    Its crazy that you know so much about football... yet mangini was fired, like I said he would. I'm pretty sure heckert and holmgren know more about football than me.. so ipso fact I know more about football than u

    LOL! THATS where you are taking it? HAHAHA! Tell me big boy, what HAS worked in Cleveland? You KNEW Gruden was going to sign with the Browns, you KNEW his son. Oh, Im sure you know so much, but youre on a board talking about a W-L record not taking anything into consideration. ONLY REASON Holmgren fired Mangini was because he wasnt "his boy." Signed by "his agent." Give me a break bro.........thinking ALL those people that have you on ignore have the right idea. Good luck numbnuts, hope your W-L record is better this year, would HATE for you to start crying again. HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!

    New HC, wants HIS guys, install HIS playbook, all new coordinators wanting to do things THEIR way. This isnt even a real HC, he is a puppet, what a joke. Expect BELOW .500 this year bud, even with the MUCH EASIER SCHEDULE! LOL!

    @cddbrowns said:

    LOL! THATS where you are taking it? HAHAHA! Tell me big boy, what HAS worked in Cleveland? You KNEW Gruden was going to sign with the Browns, you KNEW his son. Oh, Im sure you know so much, but youre on a board talking about a W-L record not taking anything into consideration. ONLY REASON Holmgren fired Mangini was because he wasnt "his boy." Signed by "his agent." Give me a break bro.........thinking ALL those people that have you on ignore have the right idea. Good luck numbnuts, hope your W-L record is better this year, would HATE for you to start crying again. HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!

    New HC, wants HIS guys, install HIS playbook, all new coordinators wanting to do things THEIR way. This isnt even a real HC, he is a puppet, what a joke. Expect BELOW .500 this year bud, even with the MUCH EASIER SCHEDULE! LOL!

    Exactly, u made my point perfect. I pimped hard for gruden and wanted him to come here. I am here now saying I was dead wrong on him. I, unlike you have moved past the firing of mangina and hiring of pat shurmur..

    Tell me this hot shot.. if mangina is such a good coach why didn't he even interview for another coaching job?

    I feel sorry for you man..

  • @wrrebel said:

    I feel really good.. mangini is gone... I have ben singing for the last ten days "ding dong the witch is dead"

    Its crazy that you know so much about football... yet mangini was fired, like I said he would. I'm pretty sure heckert and holmgren know more about football than me.. so ipso fact I know more about football than u

    LOL! THATS where you are taking it? HAHAHA! Tell me big boy, what HAS worked in Cleveland? You KNEW Gruden was going to sign with the Browns, you KNEW his son. Oh, Im sure you know so much, but youre on a board talking about a W-L record not taking anything into consideration. ONLY REASON Holmgren fired Mangini was because he wasnt "his boy." Signed by "his agent." Give me a break bro.........thinking ALL those people that have you on ignore have the right idea. Good luck numbnuts, hope your W-L record is better this year, would HATE for you to start crying again. HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!

    New HC, wants HIS guys, install HIS playbook, all new coordinators wanting to do things THEIR way. This isnt even a real HC, he is a puppet, what a joke. Expect BELOW .500 this year bud, even with the MUCH EASIER SCHEDULE! LOL!

    @cddbrowns said:

    LOL! THATS where you are taking it? HAHAHA! Tell me big boy, what HAS worked in Cleveland? You KNEW Gruden was going to sign with the Browns, you KNEW his son. Oh, Im sure you know so much, but youre on a board talking about a W-L record not taking anything into consideration. ONLY REASON Holmgren fired Mangini was because he wasnt "his boy." Signed by "his agent." Give me a break bro.........thinking ALL those people that have you on ignore have the right idea. Good luck numbnuts, hope your W-L record is better this year, would HATE for you to start crying again. HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!

    New HC, wants HIS guys, install HIS playbook, all new coordinators wanting to do things THEIR way. This isnt even a real HC, he is a puppet, what a joke. Expect BELOW .500 this year bud, even with the MUCH EASIER SCHEDULE! LOL!

    Mike Holmgren is not that type of guy first of all..secondly...the underacheiving bonehead gameday coach Mangini is gone...just accept it and quit your whinning...Holgren wanted guys that runs what he believes in...get over it...the sooner you do that...you'll feel much better...now take a stool softner and relax!

  • @cddbrowns said:

    LOL! THATS where you are taking it? HAHAHA! Tell me big boy, what HAS worked in Cleveland? You KNEW Gruden was going to sign with the Browns, you KNEW his son. Oh, Im sure you know so much, but youre on a board talking about a W-L record not taking anything into consideration. ONLY REASON Holmgren fired Mangini was because he wasnt "his boy." Signed by "his agent." Give me a break bro.........thinking ALL those people that have you on ignore have the right idea. Good luck numbnuts, hope your W-L record is better this year, would HATE for you to start crying again. HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!

    New HC, wants HIS guys, install HIS playbook, all new coordinators wanting to do things THEIR way. This isnt even a real HC, he is a puppet, what a joke. Expect BELOW .500 this year bud, even with the MUCH EASIER SCHEDULE! LOL!

    Exactly, u made my point perfect. I pimped hard for gruden and wanted him to come here. I am here now saying I was dead wrong on him. I, unlike you have moved past the firing of mangina and hiring of pat shurmur..

    Tell me this hot shot.. if mangina is such a good coach why didn't he even interview for another coaching job?

    I feel sorry for you man..

    @wrrebel said:

    Exactly, u made my point perfect. I pimped hard for gruden and wanted him to come here. I am here now saying I was dead wrong on him. I, unlike you have moved past the firing of mangina and hiring of pat shurmur..

    Tell me this hot shot.. if mangina is such a good coach why didn't he even interview for another coaching job?

    I feel sorry for you man..

    How many interviews has Shurmur EVER had there big boy?

  • @longhorn said:

    UHHHHH, the team with the most points in each game. That's why they play the games.

    Oh, so you dont think with the way the Cowboys were playing, the Texans wouldnt have won? LOL! Nice diversion and all, but one team is better than the other even though the W-L record is the same. Tell me, why didnt the undefeated Pats team win the SB that year? I mean, the W-L is the only thing you guys go on, OBVIOUSLY undefeated means best team in the NFL. Why didnt they win?

    How the HELL did Seattle win a playoff game with a losing record? LOGIC people, its looking at EVERY aspect of the game, not just the ONE STAT everyone wants to use because no one wanted that coach in the first place!

    Colts personal W-L record in the NFL is what? Means he sucks? Using the logic, or lack of, that people are using with this W-L record ONLY bull crap, he is a pretty sh!tty QB....

    @cddbrowns said:

    Oh, so you dont think with the way the Cowboys were playing, the Texans wouldnt have won? LOL! Nice diversion and all, but one team is better than the other even though the W-L record is the same. Tell me, why didnt the undefeated Pats team win the SB that year? I mean, the W-L is the only thing you guys go on, OBVIOUSLY undefeated means best team in the NFL. Why didnt they win?

    How the HELL did Seattle win a playoff game with a losing record? LOGIC people, its looking at EVERY aspect of the game, not just the ONE STAT everyone wants to use because no one wanted that coach in the first place!

    Colts personal W-L record in the NFL is what? Means he sucks? Using the logic, or lack of, that people are using with this W-L record ONLY bull crap, he is a pretty sh!tty QB....

    The way the Cowboys were playing under Wade Phillips, they were losing, losing, losing. The way they were playing under Jason Garrett they won more than they lost. So you tell me who will win in a 10 game series and I will say, it depends, but in the end the score is the only factor in determining the winner. What did Garrett REALLY change? Was it his shirt, his shorts, his hair, the play calling, the defense.......?????? Something, in the firing of Wade Phillips, caused that team to change from one week to another.

    Why were the Browns able to beat the Pats and Saints, but yet lost to lesser teams right after that?

    The undefeated Pats didn't win because they lost the SB, hence they didn't go undefeated. A 1-0 team is undefeated and will remain so until they lose their first game.

    Undefeated doesn't mean the best since the Super Bowl is used to determine the best (aka Champion) for that year. A fighter can win every round and get knocked out in the final round and still lose.

    Seattle won, because on that day for that playoff game, they had a higher score.

    Colt, like Mangini, doesn't personally win or lose any given game because it is not a one person sport. The team has a record and you can associate that team record to when the person was playing or coaching but it isn't HIS personal win or loss despite how the media and statistics people try to spin it. Can Colt have a loss in a game while other Brown players win that same game?

  • @cddbrowns said:

    Nah, there are others, there is that whole math problem again.......

    How does it feel? Someone bitching non stop about something you want to happen. Makes the place suck huh? DEAL LIKE US "LOVERBOYS" DID! You know, the "loverboys" that know more about football than just the W-L record.

    I feel really good.. mangini is gone... I have ben singing for the last ten days "ding dong the witch is dead"

    Its crazy that you know so much about football... yet mangini was fired, like I said he would. I'm pretty sure heckert and holmgren know more about football than me.. so ipso facto I know more about football than u

    @wrrebel said:

    I feel really good.. mangini is gone... I have ben singing for the last ten days "ding dong the witch is dead"

    You've lost it. In the real world you've lost any respect any coach like Gruden would have for every coach. Did you read his book? I did, and he certainly wouldn't back you up on this kind of thinking.

    Coaching in the NFL is hard.

    Playing in the NFL is hard.

    Posting smack on a football board -- not so much.

  • @cddbrowns said:

    LOL! THATS where you are taking it? HAHAHA! Tell me big boy, what HAS worked in Cleveland? You KNEW Gruden was going to sign with the Browns, you KNEW his son. Oh, Im sure you know so much, but youre on a board talking about a W-L record not taking anything into consideration. ONLY REASON Holmgren fired Mangini was because he wasnt "his boy." Signed by "his agent." Give me a break bro.........thinking ALL those people that have you on ignore have the right idea. Good luck numbnuts, hope your W-L record is better this year, would HATE for you to start crying again. HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!

    New HC, wants HIS guys, install HIS playbook, all new coordinators wanting to do things THEIR way. This isnt even a real HC, he is a puppet, what a joke. Expect BELOW .500 this year bud, even with the MUCH EASIER SCHEDULE! LOL!

    Mike Holmgren is not that type of guy first of all..secondly...the underacheiving bonehead gameday coach Mangini is gone...just accept it and quit your whinning...Holgren wanted guys that runs what he believes in...get over it...the sooner you do that...you'll feel much better...now take a stool softner and relax!

    @nickers said:

    Mike Holmgren is not that type of guy first of all..secondly...the underacheiving bonehead gameday coach Mangini is gone...just accept it and quit your whinning...Holgren wanted guys that runs what he believes in...get over it...the sooner you do that...you'll feel much better...now take a stool softner and relax!

    Again I ask, why should I? All the "anti-Mangini" hoping for losses so he would be finally gone out of the NFL guys wouldnt. Now that you guys got what you want you want people to be quiet and accept it? LOL! No chance bro, I SHOULD hope for losses so Shurmur is finally fired and we can find a good HC, just like the haters did. I love the Browns too much for that though unfortunately. Year after year, same old crap, same old loud Browns "fans" getting everything they want with their impatience, thinking the high ups dont listen to them. LOL! Yeah, ok. Lerner is the biggest knee jerk owner moron in the NFL, its sickening.

    And youre saying that Holmgren DIDNT hire "his guy" who is signed by "his agent" just like the REST OF THE FO? LOL! Ok then.

  • @wrrebel said:

    I feel really good.. mangini is gone... I have ben singing for the last ten days "ding dong the witch is dead"

    You've lost it. In the real world you've lost any respect any coach like Gruden would have for every coach. Did you read his book? I did, and he certainly wouldn't back you up on this kind of thinking.

    Coaching in the NFL is hard.

    Playing in the NFL is hard.

    Posting smack on a football board -- not so much.

    @hoss said:

    You've lost it. In the real world you've lost any respect any coach like Gruden would have for every coach. Did you read his book? I did, and he certainly wouldn't back you up on this kind of thinking.

    Coaching in the NFL is hard.

    Playing in the NFL is hard.

    Posting smack on a football board -- not so much.

    you had me at hello

  • (80's power ballad plays) dear mangini...im sorry i was drunk i didnt mean to say the things i said...please come back, shit, bring daboll if you have to...we miss you...remember all those losses we shared? it just wont feel the same without us scoring a field goal in the first quarter...i hope this letter finds you well...even though i know youre with ESPN now...i hope shes treating you good,,dont let the new york media get your mind pregnant with anti-cleveland thoughts... -yours truly Cleveland browns fan

  • @cddbrowns said:

    Oh, so you dont think with the way the Cowboys were playing, the Texans wouldnt have won? LOL! Nice diversion and all, but one team is better than the other even though the W-L record is the same. Tell me, why didnt the undefeated Pats team win the SB that year? I mean, the W-L is the only thing you guys go on, OBVIOUSLY undefeated means best team in the NFL. Why didnt they win?

    How the HELL did Seattle win a playoff game with a losing record? LOGIC people, its looking at EVERY aspect of the game, not just the ONE STAT everyone wants to use because no one wanted that coach in the first place!

    Colts personal W-L record in the NFL is what? Means he sucks? Using the logic, or lack of, that people are using with this W-L record ONLY bull crap, he is a pretty sh!tty QB....

    The way the Cowboys were playing under Wade Phillips, they were losing, losing, losing. The way they were playing under Jason Garrett they won more than they lost. So you tell me who will win in a 10 game series and I will say, it depends, but in the end the score is the only factor in determining the winner. What did Garrett REALLY change? Was it his shirt, his shorts, his hair, the play calling, the defense.......?????? Something, in the firing of Wade Phillips, caused that team to change from one week to another.

    Why were the Browns able to beat the Pats and Saints, but yet lost to lesser teams right after that?

    The undefeated Pats didn't win because they lost the SB, hence they didn't go undefeated. A 1-0 team is undefeated and will remain so until they lose their first game.

    Undefeated doesn't mean the best since the Super Bowl is used to determine the best (aka Champion) for that year. A fighter can win every round and get knocked out in the final round and still lose.

    Seattle won, because on that day for that playoff game, they had a higher score.

    Colt, like Mangini, doesn't personally win or lose any given game because it is not a one person sport. The team has a record and you can associate that team record to when the person was playing or coaching but it isn't HIS personal win or loss despite how the media and statistics people try to spin it. Can Colt have a loss in a game while other Brown players win that same game?

    @longhorn said:

    The way the Cowboys were playing under Wade Phillips, they were losing, losing, losing. The way they were playing under Jason Garrett they won more than they lost. So you tell me who will win in a 10 game series and I will say, it depends, but in the end the score is the only factor in determining the winner. What did Garrett REALLY change? Was it his shirt, his shorts, his hair, the play calling, the defense.......?????? Something, in the firing of Wade Phillips, caused that team to change from one week to another.

    Why were the Browns able to beat the Pats and Saints, but yet lost to lesser teams right after that?

    The undefeated Pats didn't win because they lost the SB, hence they didn't go undefeated. A 1-0 team is undefeated and will remain so until they lose their first game.

    Undefeated doesn't mean the best since the Super Bowl is used to determine the best (aka Champion) for that year. A fighter can win every round and get knocked out in the final round and still lose.

    Seattle won, because on that day for that playoff game, they had a higher score.

    Colt, like Mangini, doesn't personally win or lose any given game because it is not a one person sport. The team has a record and you can associate that team record to when the person was playing or coaching but it isn't HIS personal win or loss despite how the media and statistics people try to spin it. Can Colt have a loss in a game while other Brown players win that same game?

    Get this right, I think Colt is the future QB. But to say that the W-L record is all anyone should go on with Mangini is like saying Colt sucks because his W-L record sucks. Why doesnt the NFL make the team with the best W-L record the champs then, instead of a team with a lesser W-L record that happens to beat the other team with the better W-L record? What do you think could be the cause of that? Injuries maybe? Strength of schedule maybe? Maybe the Pats had an easier schedule?

    Why did AZ go completely down the drain with the same coaches? Losing their starting QB? Hmmm....the backups and depth wasnt that good? (DA, nuff said) You think that MAYBE that played into the entire season with the Browns? You think the Browns in the NFC would have had a better record? Hmmmm, so many things that need to go into the end result here. IF the Browns would have just plain gotten blown out of the water every loss, I would see your point and agree, they didnt, they improved on virtually every statistic WITH A MUCH HARDER SCHEDULE! What does that tell you? Try it, overlooking the W-L record, what does that tell you?

  • @wrrebel said:

    I feel really good.. mangini is gone... I have ben singing for the last ten days "ding dong the witch is dead"

    You've lost it. In the real world you've lost any respect any coach like Gruden would have for every coach. Did you read his book? I did, and he certainly wouldn't back you up on this kind of thinking.

    Coaching in the NFL is hard.

    Playing in the NFL is hard.

    Posting smack on a football board -- not so much.

    @hoss said:

    You've lost it. In the real world you've lost any respect any coach like Gruden would have for every coach. Did you read his book? I did, and he certainly wouldn't back you up on this kind of thinking.

    Coaching in the NFL is hard.

    Playing in the NFL is hard.

    Posting smack on a football board -- not so much.

    I have an autographed copy of his book, do you?

  • @longhorn said:

    The way the Cowboys were playing under Wade Phillips, they were losing, losing, losing. The way they were playing under Jason Garrett they won more than they lost. So you tell me who will win in a 10 game series and I will say, it depends, but in the end the score is the only factor in determining the winner. What did Garrett REALLY change? Was it his shirt, his shorts, his hair, the play calling, the defense.......?????? Something, in the firing of Wade Phillips, caused that team to change from one week to another.

    Why were the Browns able to beat the Pats and Saints, but yet lost to lesser teams right after that?

    The undefeated Pats didn't win because they lost the SB, hence they didn't go undefeated. A 1-0 team is undefeated and will remain so until they lose their first game.

    Undefeated doesn't mean the best since the Super Bowl is used to determine the best (aka Champion) for that year. A fighter can win every round and get knocked out in the final round and still lose.

    Seattle won, because on that day for that playoff game, they had a higher score.

    Colt, like Mangini, doesn't personally win or lose any given game because it is not a one person sport. The team has a record and you can associate that team record to when the person was playing or coaching but it isn't HIS personal win or loss despite how the media and statistics people try to spin it. Can Colt have a loss in a game while other Brown players win that same game?

    Get this right, I think Colt is the future QB. But to say that the W-L record is all anyone should go on with Mangini is like saying Colt sucks because his W-L record sucks. Why doesnt the NFL make the team with the best W-L record the champs then, instead of a team with a lesser W-L record that happens to beat the other team with the better W-L record? What do you think could be the cause of that? Injuries maybe? Strength of schedule maybe? Maybe the Pats had an easier schedule?

    Why did AZ go completely down the drain with the same coaches? Losing their starting QB? Hmmm....the backups and depth wasnt that good? (DA, nuff said) You think that MAYBE that played into the entire season with the Browns? You think the Browns in the NFC would have had a better record? Hmmmm, so many things that need to go into the end result here. IF the Browns would have just plain gotten blown out of the water every loss, I would see your point and agree, they didnt, they improved on virtually every statistic WITH A MUCH HARDER SCHEDULE! What does that tell you? Try it, overlooking the W-L record, what does that tell you?

    @cddbrowns said:

    Get this right, I think Colt is the future QB. But to say that the W-L record is all anyone should go on with Mangini is like saying Colt sucks because his W-L record sucks. Why doesnt the NFL make the team with the best W-L record the champs then, instead of a team with a lesser W-L record that happens to beat the other team with the better W-L record? What do you think could be the cause of that? Injuries maybe? Strength of schedule maybe? Maybe the Pats had an easier schedule?

    Why did AZ go completely down the drain with the same coaches? Losing their starting QB? Hmmm....the backups and depth wasnt that good? (DA, nuff said) You think that MAYBE that played into the entire season with the Browns? You think the Browns in the NFL would have had a better record? Hmmmm, so many things that need to go into the end result here. IF the Browns would have just plain gotten blown out of the water every loss, I would see your point and agree, they didnt, they improved on virtually every statistic WITH A MUCH HARDER SCHEDULE! What does that tell you? Try it, overlooking the W-L record, what does that tell you?

    are you eric mangini?