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  • Thank GOD!! for those who kept on saying we dont have talent, we dont have talent.. Well thats what a turn over in roster will help with..

    HELLO, do you really think old lame as guys like Barton, Bowens, kenyon coleman will be back? Those guys werent even starting for the jets.. Goodbye, to all those jets homo's.. goodbye delhomo, goodbye Roth and Gocong.. goodbye Eric Wright!

    Also, don't you think our Wr's needed a make over?

    We will have about 15 different players, with free agency and the draft!

    when your 5-11 two years in a row and have aging players a roster turn over is over due!

    @wrrebel said:

    goodbye Roth and Gocong

    ya i dont see these to going anywhere and they werent even jets guys

  • never said they were jets..

    Roth is a free agent and wants money.. I will be glad to show him the door. Not the idea 4-3 lb, either is gocong which was evident on philly

  • never said they were jets..

    Roth is a free agent and wants money.. I will be glad to show him the door. Not the idea 4-3 lb, either is gocong which was evident on philly

    @wrrebel said:

    never said they were jets..

    Roth is a free agent and wants money.. I will be glad to show him the door. Not the idea 4-3 lb, either is gocong which was evident on philly

    Roth played with his hand on the ground till Miami moved to a 3 - 4. We're going to need DE's who can rush the QB and Roth is that type of guy. He played DE in Iowa too.

    I agree a little bit on Gocong but with him being a guy Heckert made a trade to get, he's most likely not going to get released.

  • @wrrebel said:

    never said they were jets..

    Roth is a free agent and wants money.. I will be glad to show him the door. Not the idea 4-3 lb, either is gocong which was evident on philly

    Roth played with his hand on the ground till Miami moved to a 3 - 4. We're going to need DE's who can rush the QB and Roth is that type of guy. He played DE in Iowa too.

    I agree a little bit on Gocong but with him being a guy Heckert made a trade to get, he's most likely not going to get released.

    @next2nothing said:

    Roth played with his hand on the ground till Miami moved to a 3 - 4. We're going to need DE's who can rush the QB and Roth is that type of guy. He played DE in Iowa too.

    I agree a little bit on Gocong but with him being a guy Heckert made a trade to get, he's most likely not going to get released.

    I can see that with Roth, but at what price? I dont see us paying him a ton..

    besides we have too many white guys in our front seven..

    roth, gocong, fujita and schaffering... sometimes we look like a diviosn 2 team..

    as paul horning said" we need to get the black athlete"

  • The Browns need some playmakers. More importantly this team needs speed and quickness...

    The Browns are about the slowest team in the league.. Their pass routes take sooooo long to complete its no wonder the defenders are always jumping the route...

    As I said before, when selecting players, if all things are equal, take the speed... It's something you can't "coach up".....

    Peace

    T.Dawg

  • @next2nothing said:

    Roth played with his hand on the ground till Miami moved to a 3 - 4. We're going to need DE's who can rush the QB and Roth is that type of guy. He played DE in Iowa too.

    I agree a little bit on Gocong but with him being a guy Heckert made a trade to get, he's most likely not going to get released.

    I can see that with Roth, but at what price? I dont see us paying him a ton..

    besides we have too many white guys in our front seven..

    roth, gocong, fujita and schaffering... sometimes we look like a diviosn 2 team..

    as paul horning said" we need to get the black athlete"

    @wrrebel said:

    I can see that with Roth, but at what price? I dont see us paying him a ton..

    besides we have too many white guys in our front seven..

    roth, gocong, fujita and schaffering... sometimes we look like a diviosn 2 team..

    as paul horning said" we need to get the black athlete"

    I think we'll be able to come to terms with him. He's showed production since he's been here and I think we really need to lock him down.

    You're forgetting that D'Qwell is a 4 - 3 LB and was really the wrong pick that year. He has never been good as a 3 - 4 LB. He'll be coming back and will be much better in the 4 - 3. Fujita will go back to the outside. Gocong will be serviceable at OLB too. I'd rather have him then slow Bowens and Barton. If we get rid of Rogers, Schaffering could be a good filler at DT for the time being.

    I do agree that we need a playmaker on our front 7 though but I think you're underestimating Roth and Fujita. Gocong is a 50/50 to me but I really can't remember how well he did at Philly.

  • @wrrebel said:

    I can see that with Roth, but at what price? I dont see us paying him a ton..

    besides we have too many white guys in our front seven..

    roth, gocong, fujita and schaffering... sometimes we look like a diviosn 2 team..

    as paul horning said" we need to get the black athlete"

    I think we'll be able to come to terms with him. He's showed production since he's been here and I think we really need to lock him down.

    You're forgetting that D'Qwell is a 4 - 3 LB and was really the wrong pick that year. He has never been good as a 3 - 4 LB. He'll be coming back and will be much better in the 4 - 3. Fujita will go back to the outside. Gocong will be serviceable at OLB too. I'd rather have him then slow Bowens and Barton. If we get rid of Rogers, Schaffering could be a good filler at DT for the time being.

    I do agree that we need a playmaker on our front 7 though but I think you're underestimating Roth and Fujita. Gocong is a 50/50 to me but I really can't remember how well he did at Philly.

    @next2nothing said:

    I think we'll be able to come to terms with him. He's showed production since he's been here and I think we really need to lock him down.

    You're forgetting that D'Qwell is a 4 - 3 LB and was really the wrong pick that year. He has never been good as a 3 - 4 LB. He'll be coming back and will be much better in the 4 - 3. Fujita will go back to the outside. Gocong will be serviceable at OLB too. I'd rather have him then slow Bowens and Barton. If we get rid of Rogers, Schaffering could be a good filler at DT for the time being.

    I do agree that we need a playmaker on our front 7 though but I think you're underestimating Roth and Fujita. Gocong is a 50/50 to me but I really can't remember how well he did at Philly.

    why get rid of rodgers now? He is perfect for the 4-3.. Hell lets bring in haynesworth.. schaffering should be used to give guys a blow or as a fluffer

  • @next2nothing said:

    I think we'll be able to come to terms with him. He's showed production since he's been here and I think we really need to lock him down.

    You're forgetting that D'Qwell is a 4 - 3 LB and was really the wrong pick that year. He has never been good as a 3 - 4 LB. He'll be coming back and will be much better in the 4 - 3. Fujita will go back to the outside. Gocong will be serviceable at OLB too. I'd rather have him then slow Bowens and Barton. If we get rid of Rogers, Schaffering could be a good filler at DT for the time being.

    I do agree that we need a playmaker on our front 7 though but I think you're underestimating Roth and Fujita. Gocong is a 50/50 to me but I really can't remember how well he did at Philly.

    why get rid of rodgers now? He is perfect for the 4-3.. Hell lets bring in haynesworth.. schaffering should be used to give guys a blow or as a fluffer

    @wrrebel said:

    why get rid of rodgers now? He is perfect for the 4-3.. Hell lets bring in haynesworth.. schaffering should be used to give guys a blow or as a fluffer

    Rogers has shown he is only good for maybe 12 - 15 plays a game. He tweeted after our 0 - 3 start this past season that the season was already done. I don't know about you but he hasn't shown that he even wants to be on this team.

  • @wrrebel said:

    why get rid of rodgers now? He is perfect for the 4-3.. Hell lets bring in haynesworth.. schaffering should be used to give guys a blow or as a fluffer

    Rogers has shown he is only good for maybe 12 - 15 plays a game. He tweeted after our 0 - 3 start this past season that the season was already done. I don't know about you but he hasn't shown that he even wants to be on this team.

    @next2nothing said:

    Rogers has shown he is only good for maybe 12 - 15 plays a game. He tweeted after our 0 - 3 start this past season that the season was already done. I don't know about you but he hasn't shown that he even wants to be on this team.

    yeah but he is ideal for the 4-3 and is the most talented guy on our dline..

  • @next2nothing said:

    Rogers has shown he is only good for maybe 12 - 15 plays a game. He tweeted after our 0 - 3 start this past season that the season was already done. I don't know about you but he hasn't shown that he even wants to be on this team.

    yeah but he is ideal for the 4-3 and is the most talented guy on our dline..

    @wrrebel said:

    yeah but he is ideal for the 4-3 and is the most talented guy on our dline..

    I agree BUT if he can't be on the field for long how much of an impact is he really making?

    Plus I don't want one of our most talented players to quit so easily on the team.

  • I think a fresh start with a coach who can push his buttons he may work out.

    Let's face it him and mangini dispised each other.. mangini had a rule, no talented players

  • I think a fresh start with a coach who can push his buttons he may work out.

    Let's face it him and mangini dispised each other.. mangini had a rule, no talented players

    @wrrebel said:

    I think a fresh start with a coach who can push his buttons he may work out.

    Let's face it him and mangini dispised each other.. mangini had a rule, no talented players

    Rodgers also has a rule... Kiss my big black ass... if you want me to play football ...better pucker up Pat

  • Rebuilding imples we once had the building we wanted and now we are rebuilding it. In reality we are building.........a big house hopefully and not yet pitching another tent in the middle of nowhere.

  • ROGERS WAS A 7 MILLION DOLLAR TURD THIS YEAR..He basically quit on the team..keep him really..

    bring in Haynesworth? ..Lets get Caruth from Cincy who killed his girlfriend..Too many white guys?..WTF

    does that mean? .Are you an afro centrist racist? How about bring in good players with a semblance of character. You're

    getting dumber by the post..good grief

  • ROGERS WAS A 7 MILLION DOLLAR TURD THIS YEAR..He basically quit on the team..keep him really..

    bring in Haynesworth? ..Lets get Caruth from Cincy who killed his girlfriend..Too many white guys?..WTF

    does that mean? .Are you an afro centrist racist? How about bring in good players with a semblance of character. You're

    getting dumber by the post..good grief

    @peterbell said:

    ROGERS WAS A 7 MILLION DOLLAR TURD THIS YEAR..He basically quit on the team..keep him really..

    bring in Haynesworth? ..Lets get Caruth from Cincy who killed his girlfriend..Too many white guys?..WTF

    does that mean? .Are you an afro centrist racist? How about bring in good players with a semblance of character. You're

    getting dumber by the post..good grief

    If pete and repeat were on a boat and pete fell off, who is left?

  • @peterbell said:

    ROGERS WAS A 7 MILLION DOLLAR TURD THIS YEAR..He basically quit on the team..keep him really..

    bring in Haynesworth? ..Lets get Caruth from Cincy who killed his girlfriend..Too many white guys?..WTF

    does that mean? .Are you an afro centrist racist? How about bring in good players with a semblance of character. You're

    getting dumber by the post..good grief

    If pete and repeat were on a boat and pete fell off, who is left?

    @wrrebel said:

    If pete and repeat were on a boat and pete fell off, who is left?

    Jon Gruden?

  • @wrrebel said:

    If pete and repeat were on a boat and pete fell off, who is left?

    Jon Gruden?

    @longhorn said:

    Jon Gruden?

    Naw..The boat on Gruden sailed along time ago..sorry WRREBEL..hurt you're feelings..BADLY

  • @longhorn said:

    Jon Gruden?

    Naw..The boat on Gruden sailed along time ago..sorry WRREBEL..hurt you're feelings..BADLY

    @peterbell said:

    Naw..The boat on Gruden sailed along time ago..sorry WRREBEL..hurt you're feelings..BADLY

    My neighbor has 3 rabbits

  • Mangini was simply a fall guy. Holmgren and Heckert both knew what was going to happen and you can tell by the free agent signings last year. We didn't sign any true 3/4 defensive linemen in part because they didn't expect mangini to stick around.

    Now after wasting a year for political reasons holmgren will be asking us for patience saying championship football is on the horizon.

  • @junkyard-dawg said:

    Get the xxxx outa here with that racial bullshit.

    Not racial dude... just facts we were slow and white, which go together like peanut butter and jelly