Let's Go Defensively with our First Pick

[The Gipper]

@dawgtracker said:

What are heckert and holmgren's tendencies in the 1st round? Has either of them taken a receiver in the 1st round? It is pretty obvious that we will need defensive linemen for a 4/3

Didn't the Eagles take Jeremy MacLin in the first round with Heckart there? That was later in the round I believe.

[ITHIKA]

I agree about defense first. If Fairley, Bowers, Peterson or Dareus are there at 6 you draft them ahead of any offensive players. Those players will make an immediate impact. I love Aj Green, but those 4 players are more of a need for this team than Green is. If they are gone than you take Green, however I don't see any of those 5 players not taken in the first five picks so we may be SOL at # 6 for any of them..

[ITHIKA]

@the-gipper said:

Didn't the Eagles take Jeremy MacLin in the first round with Heckart there? That was later in the round I believe.

Yes they did but he was drafted later at the 19th pick

[tshirtfan]

I would personally go with Patrick Peterson if he's available and doesn't show any major character issues during the draft process.

When your secondary is almost elite, and front seven is just "adequate," I'd rather make the pick that will give you an elite secondary and an adequate front seven than an almost elite secondary and a slightly above adequate font seven.

It's easier to generate pressure on the QB with lock down corners than with an elite pass rusher and a mismatch in the secondary.

[ballpeen]

@tshirtfan said:

I would personally go with Patrick Peterson if he's available and doesn't show any major character issues during the draft process.

When your secondary is almost elite, and front seven is just "adequate," I'd rather make the pick that will give you an elite secondary and an adequate front seven than an almost elite secondary and a slightly above adequate font seven.

It's easier to generate pressure on the QB with lock down corners than with an elite pass rusher and a mismatch in the secondary.

I'd rather have a top pass rusher, but if we went Peterson, you wouldn't hear me complain.

[Richiswhere]

Here is what Holmgren did while at Seattle in the first round. I don't believe he was calling the draft shots at Green Bay. While Heckart may have done alot of the evaluations its Andy Reid calling the shots there.

1999 22 Lamar King Defensive End Saginaw Valley State

2000 19 Shaun Alexander Running Back Alabama

2000 22 Chris McIntosh Tackle Wisconsin

2001 9 Koren Robinson Wide Receiver North Carolina State

2001 17 Steve Hutchinson Guard Michigan

2002 28 Jerramy Stevens Tight End Washington

2003 11 Marcus Trufant Cornerback Washington State

2004 23 Marcus Tubbs D. Tackle Texas

2005 26 Chris Spencer Center Mississippi

2006 31 Kelly Jennings Cornerback Miami (Florida)

2007 24 Traded for Deion Branch

2008 28 Lawrence Jackson Defensive End USC

[tdogg]

Holmgren is offensive, Heckert is offensive and the head coach is offensive. If AJ Greene is there, they have to take him. If he's not, they might as well have a mass suicide.

[Bob806]

I agree. I've been begging for defense for years, it's time to get some heat on the opposing QB.

[DawgTracker]

@tdogg said:

Holmgren is offensive, Heckert is offensive and the head coach is offensive. If AJ Greene is there, they have to take him. If he's not, they might as well have a mass suicide.

ROFLMAO!!! Good stuff

[Gips]

I also believe we will go defense at 6 and if we go with a 4-3 scheme we may trend defense throughout the process..

Our offense is closer to completion than many think and most of our remaining offensive needs can easily be picked up in trades and or FA..

Whatever heckert does he needs to nail us at least one impact player and a couple solid guys to boot and that is a tall order but i believe heckert is up to the task..

[calfoxwc]

With my mock, I looked a lot at Green, and defensive players. I don't believe the question is

offense or defense,

but more "which player will make the most dramatic impact on his side of the ball, and can we still get the other in the second round".

I ended up taking Marius, and Torrey Smith in the second for that reason, since Green was gone, I figured.

Later on, Green may have the elite speed and agility, that he has to be the guy. Or, you go with the defensive player.

It wasn't until Mangini, that I started to trust the Browns to start making all the right moves in the draft.

Now, I know they will.

[Nw220]

@ithika said:

I agree about defense first. If Fairley, Bowers, Peterson or Dareus are there at 6 you draft them ahead of any offensive players. Those players will make an immediate impact. I love Aj Green, but those 4 players are more of a need for this team than Green is. If they are gone than you take Green, however I don't see any of those 5 players not taken in the first five picks so we may be SOL at # 6 for any of them..

Excatly so if Fairley,Bowers,Dareus are all gone as well as A.J. Green what are you gonna do take Robert Quinn a guy who hasnt played ball for a whole season with the #6 overall pick???

Personally i think you draft best player available as well as needs to so if A.J. Green is there we take him cause hes the BPA and fills a need, if hes not and say a guy like Peterson slips you grab him because hes the best player there and your not reaching for a need at Dline

Personally i think they will all be gone by the time we pick and we should trade back

1.Carolina-Bowers

2.Denver-Peterson

3.Buffalo-Fairley

4.Cinncy-A.J Green

5.Arizona-Marceus Dareus

Okay now who do you take, Robert Quinn??? i would trade back and grab Julio Jones or maybe take Prince from Nebraska but he got embrassed by Justin Blackmon

[hoorta]

Zombo said:

I would love a pass rusher, don't discount another shut-down corner, especially if Peterson happened to be there. The jets are where they are not because of Sanchez but because their corners take the other team's top wideouts out of the gameplan and create an instant pass rush when the QB has to look elsewhere.

Zombo

I agree with your point about a CB, but the Browns are not going to tie up that much money at corner. UNLESS we can get a guy like Asomugha in FA. We have far, far bigger needs than another shut down corner in the Draft. BTW, that would move Sheldon Brown to saftey, and Wright to #3 cb, assuming he's still around.

I don't care what our pal Rich says- defense wins championships- but just look at the management team- I think it's a given they go offense, unless Green is already off the board, OR they think they can land an impact wr in the second round. (DA Bungles got lucky with Stinko there)

Yup we need a badass run stuffin' pass rushin' monster (or three) fer sure- but Fairley isn't going to be there @ #6. And look at it the other way Z, a great pass rush makes your corners look a lot better than they are, when they don't have to cover the opposing wideouts for ten seconds. Quick, who's the corners for the Steelers- see what I mean?

[hoorta]

@nw220 said:

Excatly so if Fairley,Bowers,Dareus are all gone as well as A.J. Green what are you gonna do take Robert Quinn a guy who hasnt played ball for a whole season with the #6 overall pick???

Personally i think you draft best player available as well as needs to so if A.J. Green is there we take him cause hes the BPA and fills a need, if hes not and say a guy like Peterson slips you grab him because hes the best player there and your not reaching for a need at Dline

Personally i think they will all be gone by the time we pick and we should trade back

1.Carolina-Bowers

2.Denver-Peterson

3.Buffalo-Fairley

4.Cinncy-A.J Green

5.Arizona-Marceus Dareus

Okay now who do you take, Robert Quinn??? i would trade back and grab Julio Jones or maybe take Prince from Nebraska but he got embrassed by Justin Blackmon

Ya know, everybody and their uncle has the Broncos taking Peterson- and I just don't see it. The guy would have to be better than Dion Sanders to rate taking him that high. The Donkeys pass rush sucked last year, so even if Bailey leaves I don't see them taking a corner with the #2 pick.

Ditto the Bengals taking Green- they have Stinko for one more year, like the up and coming WRs already on the roster, and have had good luck picking up talent in the second round. And their defensive front was nothing to write home about.

Arizona needs a quarterback- period. Will they roll the dice on Cam Newton, or say Mallett? Stay tuned.

So IMHO it's entirely possible Green or another top defensive player could be there for the Browns @ #6.

[Kosar_For_President]

The walrus' drafts in Seattle

[Vegasdogg]

I am more boring than Defense -- I want to trade down and take OL.

[WRREBEL]

We need a wr more than anything.. it was the most glaring weakness of our team. Its aj green or julio jones with the 6th pick or a trade down.

Leonard hankerson in the 3rd round

[Nw220]

Patrick Peterson is consider the best CB prospect to come around in a long time maybe since Deion, I dont personally like Mel Kiper Jr. but he said hes the best overall CB prospect to come out in 15 years thats saying something for Patrick Peterson, As far as Cinncy is concerned Stinko will be there for 1 more year but Shipley is a great slot reciever and really shouldnt be put into the #2 reciever position so they let Deismone Briscoe go to Tampa Bay and hes been doing pretty good...So what other options do they have Quan Cosby is more of a #3 as well. Andre Caldwell could step up maybe into a #2 type reciever role but does he really scare anybody nope hes not very good

[CLEVELandMILIDH]

@tdogg said:

Holmgren is offensive, Heckert is offensive and the head coach is offensive. If AJ Greene is there, they have to take him. If he's not, they might as well have a mass suicide.

Heckert and Holmgren coordinated last years draft and went defense first 2 rounds. That could easily happen again if were going 4-3.

The offense is very young with McCoy, MoMass, Robiskie, Thomas, Mack, Hillis, Hardesty, Lavaou, there's room to grow there. Look at the age on the D-line and linebackers, its evident and can't be ignored.

[Unsympathetic]

The heck is wrong with you people? Our front seven is well below average. Go look at our average yds given up per run.. not even AJ Green can change that.

This shouldn't be a question - we need DL help, and we need it yesterday. The 4-3 is a good start.. perhaps we can get one more good year out of Rogers.. but everyone else aside from Rubin flat-out stinks.